ATF Notice of rule making for new definition of firearm frames and receivers.

[Billy Golightly]

https://www.regulations.gov/document/ATF-2021-0001-0001

Also targeting at 80%...Has anyone else been following this? the tldr; is that they're about | | this close to reclassifying individual components to be classified as firearms themselves, and making it basically impossible to build anything yourself from parts and pieces including having to serialize any pmf (personally made firearm) by taking it to an FFL. It appears to be a huge back door gun control move / disarmament move. There's a commentary period you can make now until August 19th. As a part of participating in the American political process I'd highly encourage you to comment if this is an important topic to you; https://www.regulations.gov/commento...2021-0001-0001


Here are a couple videos you might want to watch that overview what some of these changes potentially could be;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CeB-LPBDLs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oE1R6BW2UM (This one maybe the best one to start with)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG6dQHVbK2M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHhcOki1OnE






A few gems to show the vagueness and open to interpretation this stuff will be;

C. Definition of “Readily”

To provide guidance on how the term “readily” is used to classify firearms, including frame or receiver parts kits or weapon parts kits sold with incomplete or unassembled frames or receivers, the NPRM adds this term to 27 CFR 478.11 and 479.11 and defined as “a process that is fairly or reasonably efficient, quick, and easy, but not necessarily the most efficient, speedy, or easy process.” It would further list factors relevant in making this determining to include: (a) Time, i.e., how long it takes to finish the process; (b) ease, i.e., how difficult it is to do so; (c) expertise, i.e., what knowledge and skills are required; (d) equipment, i.e., what tools are required; (e) availability, i.e., whether additional parts are required, and how easily they can be obtained; (f) expense, i.e., how much it costs; (g) scope, i.e., the extent to which the subject of the process must be changed to finish it; and (h) feasibility, i.e., whether the process would damage or destroy the subject of the process, or cause it to malfunction. This definition and factors considered in determining whether a weapon, including a weapon parts kit, or unfinished or damaged frame or receiver may readily be assembled, completed, converted, or restored to function are based on case law interpreting the terms “may readily be converted to expel a projectile” in 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(3)(A) and “can be readily restored to shoot” in 26 U.S.C. 5845(b). (58) Thus, defining the term “readily” is necessary to provide further clarity in determining when incomplete weapons or configurations of parts become a “firearm” regulated under the GCA and NFA.


4. Marking of Privately Made Firearms

Because privately made firearms do not have the identifying markings required of commercially manufactured firearms, this rule proposes to amend 27 CFR 478.92 to require FFLs to mark, or supervise the marking of, the same serial number on each frame or receiver (as defined in this rule) of a weapon that begins with the FFL's abbreviated license number (first three and last five digits) as a prefix followed by a hyphen on any “privately made firearm” (as defined) that the licensee acquired (e.g., “12345678-[number]”). Unless previously identified by another licensee, PMFs acquired by licensees on or after the effective date of the rule would need to be marked in this manner within seven days of receipt or other acquisition (including from a personal collection), or before the date of disposition (including to a personal collection), whichever is sooner. (65) For PMFs acquired by licensees before the effective date of the rule, licensees would be required to mark or cause them to be marked by another licensee either within 60 days from that date, or before the date of final disposition (including to a personal collection), whichever is sooner. With respect to polymer firearms, including those that are produced using additive manufacturing (also known as “3D printing”), the method of marking would typically require the licensee to embed (or use pre-existing) metal serial number plates within the plastic to ensure they cannot be worn away during normal use. (66) Incorporation of this metal plate along with other metal components would also help ensure that the polymer firearm does not violate the Undetectable Firearms Act, 18 U.S.C. 922(p), which prohibits the manufacture and possession of firearms that are not as detectable as the “Security Exemplar” that contains 3.7 ounces of material type 17-4 PH stainless steel. (67)
PMFs currently in inventory that a licensee chooses not to mark may also be destroyed or voluntarily turned in to law enforcement within the 60-day period. Also, this proposed rule would not require Federal firearms licensees to accept any PMFs, or to mark them themselves. Licensees would be able to refuse to accept PMFs, or arrange for private individuals to have them marked by another licensee before accepting them, provided they are properly marked in accordance with this proposed rule. To provide greater access to professional marking, as stated previously, this rule would clarify that the meaning of the term “gunsmith” includes persons who engage in the business of identifying firearms for nonlicensees so that gunsmiths may become licensed as dealer-gunsmiths solely to provide professional PMF marking services.

Consistent with the language and purpose of the GCA, this proposed provision is necessary to allow ATF to trace all firearms acquired and disposed of by licensees, prevent illicit firearms trafficking, and provide guidance to FFLs and the public with respect to PMF transactions with the licensed community. This provision is crucial in light of advances in technology that allow unlicensed persons easily to produce firearms at home from parts ordered online, or by using 3D printers or personally owned or leased equipment. Such privately made firearms have and will continue to make their way to the primary market in firearms throughout the licensed community. (68) At the same time, consistent with the intent of the GCA, (69) nothing in this rule would restrict persons not otherwise prohibited from possessing firearms from making their own firearms at home without markings solely for personal use (not for sale or distribution) in accordance with Federal, State, and local law. (70) Persons should consult the laws and officials in their own States and localities to determine the lawfulness of PMFs.

[ironchop]

I'm a machinist. I can "readily" make any chunk of metal or plastic into whatever I "readily" choose, so this is problematic for sure, at the very least. It's vague on purpose.

I agree with the part for backdoor f*ckery, but this should'nt be a surprise to anyone. This recent 'election' had produced the seat of power to the worst police state sponsors in the past 30yrs. It apparently has to get way worse before people decide to put down the NFL remote control, stop buying Amazon into global domination, and wake up

80 percent builds have been a thing for thirty years at least, so these guys are really slow on the ball and it isn't like they can say they just stopped respecting the constitution yesterday. Suddenly, this is a problem area? There are at least a million(1,000,000) home builds of about every conceivable firearm you can think of. Guarantee it. They knew it wasn't the source of weapons for most gun crimes, so they used it as a novelty to scare the minions occasionally, but usually the ATF ignored them and in most cases, helped clarify the legality of home builds amongst numerous private hobbyists and companies for profit, both... Every once in awhile the MSM would bring up the practice,... 'Is your neighbor legally building an AK-47 in his garage down the street from a school? We'll show you how they are circumventing the law on the next Dateline! episode"..... Occasionally putting out stories of "ghost guns" as a way to primer the public for a whole new push to demonize a class of weapons. Every other government in the world with assort total gun bans, followed this same path ahead of us:

1) ban the scary black stuff because most people have Hollywood-programmed feelings of terror when confronted with a military looking weapon, and those weapons are supposed to be the most effective design for their jobs, so this step is the most effective at disarming people and with the least amount of public outcry/resistance. I've heard all kinds of "gun owners" say things like "why do you need these weapons of war?" and those people are literally helping the propaganda campaign against their own second amendment, just to fit themselves into a "socially acceptable" category as if those people will give up gun control after black rifles, and let these FUDS keep "muh antique turkey gun". (Again, the Ego and it's need for social acceptance wins out over reason, civil rights, and freedom)

2) semi-automatic pistols, rifles, shotguns are then vilified as being "automatic weapons" and "much too high capacity capable to be allowed on our streets

3) single shot weapons are then easily rounded up, and then the FUDS start crying "why didn't we do something sooner to stop this?" when it was they themselves helping normalize the idea of gun bans and the propaganda thereof, to begin with.

How many "gun owners" supported red flag laws? Again, the social media ego monster took over and people wearing 2A! hats suddenly supported more police state. It's f*ckn sad and disgusting. The NRA totally bailed on us in 1994 and again, the shotgun sports crowd was behind that betrayal because "muh shotguns" weren't on the chopping block. Next week the NRA will send out another "nevermind all the times we failed you, give us more money" letters and phone calls. I can do it. I can't join forces with FUDS who think the Bill of Rights only meant "muh shotguns" and nothing more. I'm done being betrayed. Ultimately, this won't stop because of a lobby group, I can assure you of that.


This is definitely another a way for registering guns and registration is only implemented for the purposes of facilitating a confiscation. It serves no other valid purpose. Don't even mention "tracing for crime purposes" because 1) most crime firearms are so far removed from the original purchaser from capitalism/theft/trade that a paper trail is irrelevant anyway. The person who pulled the trigger is the responsible party, not the old man who bought the weapon legally fifteen years ago.....a total Red Herring.... 2) the ATF has a miserable record for prosecuting people who ARE legally buying weapons to funnel purposefully into criminal activity, so if they aren't going to prosecute straw purchasers, then claiming that registration helps solve crimes is just more bullshit from the Alphabet Soup Groups. Registration is for confiscation and this is backdoor registration for the purposes of facilitating future confiscations.

Our DOJ sponsors and facilitates straw purchasing for Mexican cartels. You can't trust anything that people like this tell you, at this point.

I'm breaking my promise to never discuss politics here again, but America is literally on the precipice of full collapse, in my opinion, with a perfect storm of bullshit being executed against an unsuspecting public.

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[Billy Golightly]

Spot on man.

Anyone with enough scrap iron laying around to build an open bolt spring loaded zip gun in a few hours of time in the garage is potentially classified as making "PMF" under this proposed ruling. Like seriously pipe and round bar stock on the same premises and you're a criminal in the process of manufacturing your own PMF...lol.

At least as it is now the government had to show intent of you to actually build something illegal to haul you off for it.

With this it's just merely having the stuff and the skills(? maybe not even that) and they can come shoot your dog cuff you and take you to the clink...


Some due process there.

I'm a machinist. I can "readily" make any chunk of metal or plastic into whatever I "readily" choose, so this is problematic for sure, at the very least. It's vague on purpose.

I agree with the part for backdoor f*ckery, but this should'nt be a surprise to anyone. This recent 'election' had produced the seat of power to the worst police state sponsors in the past 30yrs. It apparently has to get way worse before people decide to put down the NFL remote control, stop buying Amazon into global domination, and wake up

80 percent builds have been a thing for thirty years at least, so these guys are really slow on the ball and it isn't like they can say they just stopped respecting the constitution yesterday. Suddenly, this is a problem area? There are at least a million(1,000,000) home builds of about every conceivable firearm you can think of. Guarantee it. They knew it wasn't the source of weapons for most gun crimes, so they used it as a novelty to scare the minions occasionally, but usually the ATF ignored them and in most cases, helped clarify the legality of home builds amongst numerous private hobbyists and companies for profit, both... Every once in awhile the MSM would bring up the practice,... 'Is your neighbor legally building an AK-47 in his garage down the street from a school? We'll show you how they are circumventing the law on the next Dateline! episode"..... Occasionally putting out stories of "ghost guns" as a way to primer the public for a whole new push to demonize a class of weapons. Every other government in the world with assort total gun bans, followed this same path ahead of us:

1) ban the scary black stuff because most people have Hollywood-programmed feelings of terror when confronted with a military looking weapon, and those weapons are supposed to be the most effective design for their jobs, so this step is the most effective at disarming people and with the least amount of public outcry/resistance. I've heard all kinds of "gun owners" say things like "why do you need these weapons of war?" and those people are literally helping the propaganda campaign against their own second amendment, just to fit themselves into a "socially acceptable" category as if those people will give up gun control after black rifles, and let these FUDS keep "muh antique turkey gun". (Again, the Ego and it's need for social acceptance wins out over reason, civil rights, and freedom)

2) semi-automatic pistols, rifles, shotguns are then vilified as being "automatic weapons" and "much too high capacity capable to be allowed on our streets

3) single shot weapons are then easily rounded up, and then the FUDS start crying "why didn't we do something sooner to stop this?" when it was they themselves helping normalize the idea of gun bans and the propaganda thereof, to begin with.

How many "gun owners" supported red flag laws? Again, the social media ego monster took over and people wearing 2A! hats suddenly supported more police state. It's f*ckn sad and disgusting. The NRA totally bailed on us in 1994 and again, the shotgun sports crowd was behind that betrayal because "muh shotguns" weren't on the chopping block. Next week the NRA will send out another "nevermind all the times we failed you, give us more money" letters and phone calls. I can do it. I can't join forces with FUDS who think the Bill of Rights only meant "muh shotguns" and nothing more. I'm done being betrayed. Ultimately, this won't stop because of a lobby group, I can assure you of that.


This is definitely another a way for registering guns and registration is only implemented for the purposes of facilitating a confiscation. It serves no other valid purpose. Don't even mention "tracing for crime purposes" because 1) most crime firearms are so far removed from the original purchaser from capitalism/theft/trade that a paper trail is irrelevant anyway. The person who pulled the trigger is the responsible party, not the old man who bought the weapon legally fifteen years ago.....a total Red Herring.... 2) the ATF has a miserable record for prosecuting people who ARE legally buying weapons to funnel purposefully into criminal activity, so if they aren't going to prosecute straw purchasers, then claiming that registration helps solve crimes is just more bullshit from the Alphabet Soup Groups. Registration is for confiscation and this is backdoor registration for the purposes of facilitating future confiscations.

Our DOJ sponsors and facilitates straw purchasing for Mexican cartels. You can't trust anything that people like this tell you, at this point.

I'm breaking my promise to never discuss politics here again, but America is literally on the precipice of full collapse, in my opinion, with a perfect storm of bullshit being executed against an unsuspecting public.

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[Billy Golightly]

Saw an article last night with pictures of literal MOUNTAINS of guns and armaments left in afghanistan for the taliban to pick up and recover, that they already had possession of.

I'm talking thousands of weapons piled up.

Another article said that they (taliban) had recovered some drones, mraps, and hundreds of humvees.




So we're arming these goons for the next 50 years and here at home we're gonna be treated like criminals for tinkering in the shop or garage to make something to plink with?



Un friggen real

[Scootertrash]

Saw an article last night with pictures of literal MOUNTAINS of guns and armaments left in afghanistan for the taliban to pick up and recover, that they already had possession of.

I'm talking thousands of weapons piled up.

Another article said that they (taliban) had recovered some drones, mraps, and hundreds of humvees.




So we're arming these goons for the next 50 years and here at home we're gonna be treated like criminals for tinkering in the shop or garage to make something to plink with?



Un friggen real

I heard it was in the BILLIONS of dollars of weaponry. W in T ever-lovin F?

[Scootertrash]

I'm breaking my promise to never discuss politics here again, but America is literally on the precipice of full collapse, in my opinion, with a perfect storm of bullshit being executed against an unsuspecting public.

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I fully support you breaking your promise. I'm not brown-nosin' here, but your depth of knowledge about this stuff is needed on small forums like this. I'm not out of touch, but you have greater knowledge than I, and the few of us that keep this info moving are a big help. Billy and EL,that goes for you guys as well.

There are people here reading these threads. The may not comment because they feel like they have nothing to add, but they are absorbing the information and gaining knowledge, and that is sorely needed. Especially the people who have said in the past "I don't pay attention to politics". Well guys, how's that workin' out for ya?

Better to start paying attention now than late.

[Billy Golightly]

If there is just one thing someone can takeaway from the stuff I've ever posted, its the heart of the one post I made on one of the other political threads here at the beginning of the year. It's a bit impassioned and I was on more of a tangent than I maybe should have been, but the crux and heart of the post is gold to me.

this one: http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthr...97#post1517597



Most people do *not* like the political process. They do not like participating in it. It's slimy. Confusing. Awkward. Feels pointless and at times hopeless.


But you know what, you've got to get your asses in gear and participate in the process, even though its uncomfortable. Treat it like a part time job, a second hobby, or whatever. Actually spend time and effort on going to political party meetings. Find like minded local individuals that you can attend government meetings with. County commissions, city councils, school board, zoning and planning council meetings, take a trip to the state capital while they're in session. Go signup for notifications on your state and federal represenative websites so you can be notified when they're holding townhalls in your area. Friggen go to them when they do hold them and voice your opinion on things you hear about. There are tons of things you can do to actually participate in the process. If anyone genuinely needs ideas and guidance, PM me, seriously, I'll do everything I can to get you pointed in the right direction.

Being informed and exchanging information on forums and other places like this is an important component, but PARTICIPATING in the process, hence the link to the comment form, is what actually can make a difference.



Lord knows the other side uses it to their advantage and has no qualms about being all up in every single nook and cranny of the political process. We've got to get our asses out of the chairs and get to work.

[kiser]

I love reading what you guys have to say about the current show this country is in, It helps keep me in the loop. Fabio is a huge vat of info for me also! I'm glad there are like minded individuals here, It's getting hard to find people that can see through the BS these days!

[ironchop]

I heard it was in the BILLIONS of dollars of weaponry. W in T ever-lovin F?

From what I understand, the American taxpayer will be paying for the 'turnkey' military that we basically provided the Afghan 'democracy' forces because they had ZERO way to defend themselves from within or without. We gave them planes, tanks, artillery, hummers, trucks, small arms, medium arms, larger arms, rockets, missiles, grenades, explosives....... all the stuff one would need to have a proper battle. We also trained them... In our tactics. So while all this is happening, the Afghan military is becoming increasingly infiltrated with Taliban and insurgents. Those were the guys doing terrorist attacks on US service personnel. Anyway, so as the Afghan military is being infiltrated with Taliban, these guys are also getting trained by American contractors and special ops ppl.

So from what I understand, the scope is this:

We Americans gave/supplied the Afghan government a turnkey military. Their soldiers started defecting or going awol even as the war was winding down and then as soon as the Americans announce they are leaving, you got all these inserted Taliban in the afghan military and they start reminding others in the military about whom will be running things once the white devil's leave town. So the US 'blows Kabul like it's Saigon 1974' except people are clinging to C130s instead of choppers over the embassy. The cowardly (or sympathetic, however you want to look at it) military completely ABANDONS this turnkey military including all the equipment, ammo, bases, airstrips for the Taliban forces to seize control of. Then they either ran home or swore allegiance to the Taliban and hung out

So we taxpayers defacto just armed the Taliban with a turnkey military (alã ISIS) so we can insure fundamentalist warlord rule and the continuation of terrorism for another twenty years. Every time we just about destroy these bastards, the CEE-EYE-YAY and US Congress comes along and raises them from the ashes and showers them with more weapons and equipment (*cough* ISIS)

And this wasn't just ISIS-level arming, this is like Pakistan-level military which is pretty strong for that region. They are better off now, than before the first US boot hit the ground in 2001

With no Boogeyman to fight, the M.I.C. misses out on over a TRILLION DOLLARS in American taxpayer IOUs every twenty years.... There's your motive for all these bullshit wars

Do your own research though because what I've said is just what's been reported and reports don't always equal facts in this country so there's no real way to tell from my house what's really going on.

If I was Afghanistan, I would have a HUGE head right now and think myself and my people invincible. Roughly 20 years of Soviet War and another twenty of US/Coalition War and both groups gave up and went home. I would think myself legendary. Good luck reigning that national ego in any time soon

https://youtu.be/OyBNmecVtdU

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[Scootertrash]

I love reading what you guys have to say about the current show this country is in, It helps keep me in the loop. Fabio is a huge vat of info for me also! I'm glad there are like minded individuals here, It's getting hard to find people that can see through the BS these days!

There's WAY MORE than you think. A lot of people stay quiet because they don't want to "talk politics" because they'll get called names or insulted or accused of being r...ist, h...phobic, f..ist, or any of the other popular insulting buzz words that really don't mean sh!t. The sooner people realize that if they educate themselves just a little bit, a few factually backed comments can shut these losers up. In a pinch FOAD, GFY, or an off-hand, off-color remark about their mother works equally as well.

[ironchop]

There's WAY MORE than you think. A lot of people stay quiet because they don't want to "talk politics" because they'll get called names or insulted or accused of being r...ist, h...phobic, f..ist, or any of the other popular insulting buzz words that really don't mean sh!t. The sooner people realize that if they educate themselves just a little bit, a few factually backed comments can shut these losers up. In a pinch FOAD, GFY, or an off-hand, off-color remark about their mother works equally as well.

So, I follow Russell Brand on YouTube.... Yes, the Left wing darling, Russell.

He is currently red-pilling the fck out of Leftists basically informing them that these former right wing conspiracy theories are likely true.

He's an unlikely ally in the fight, but you should check out his YT channel for about the past three months. He's railed against forced vaccines, big bank bailouts, lying LEFTIST politicians, the "divide and conquer" attempt to destroy American and circumvent voting laws

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[kiser]

That's true Scootertrash, alot of people try to be P.C. so they don't make waves. The "others" speak their minds but don't want us to??? I'll have to check him out Ironchop, sounds like a good time! Hopefully more and more people pull their heads out of their hind ends and see how this country is going!