What makes 200x kick starters slip? Several soloutions inside!

[thefox]

Seeing as I have my 200x low end apart, what is it that makes the kicker slip? Do I replace the spring that is on the kicker shaft? Other then buying a repair kit that is no longer available what should I do?

[chris200x]

This probably doesn't answer your question but I think it is some useful info that Howdy poted a while back
http://www.3wheelerworldforums.com/s...0x+kickstarter

[ATC-Eric]

Might just be your kick clip. Thats the clip that helps put the gears together. Check out a diagram for your kicker, and make sure everything is there, and functional.

[Solid Snake]

For me the actual gears had broken teeth on them. Check out my thread.

http://www.3wheelerworldforums.com/s...0x+kickstarter

[thefox]

The engine is apart now and everything looks ok but I bought the motor in pieces so i don't know if it was slipping before or not. I just figure that since I have it apart now I might as well do some preventative parts replacement.

[Howdy]

The ratchet is the thing that mainly causes kick starter slippage. What happened is Honda put too weak of a spring ( the one that pushes the ratchet & gear together ). The allows the ratchet the wear off the tips of the teeth on the ratchet and gear. Once wore they are junk and will allow slippage.
I know of one person ( it wasn't me ) who back cut the teeth on the gear and ratchet. I can tell you that it worked good, but it's not something the average person could do. I am going to do a set or 2 of these up for my own useage. But I haven't got my tooling set up yet. I can't do that until I get my garage finished. My home garage is going to be my machine shop.

Also on the 1984 motors they actually had a weak starter gear that broke enough that Honda did a service recall on. It's the idler that mates up to the ratchet gear. The 1984 repair kits contained: 1 ratchet, 1 ratchet gear, 1 idler gear, and 1 spring ( it's stronger ). I should still have 1 1984 kit in stock. If memory serves me correct the 1984 kits cost me around $90-$100. I sold 2 1984 kits on Ebay for $150 or so each ( I was very Happy ).
theFox: I will sell you my last 1984 Kit for $95 shipped. Other wise it will hit ebay some time in the future.
Howdy

[thefox]

I will pass on the kicker kit Howdy but thanks for offering it, right now the trike fund is kind of low. I was hoping that there was a replacment spring, I think my gears look good so I guess the spring is ok but it would suck to put it all together just to have it slip.

[Howdy]

I will pass on the kicker kit Howdy but thanks for offering it, right now the trike fund is kind of low. I was hoping that there was a replacment spring, I think my gears look good so I guess the spring is ok but it would suck to put it all together just to have it slip.

I totally understand!! Have you checked to see if your kickstarter assembly was serviced by a Honda dealer? If not, then look down by the serial number. If you find a "X" stamped in the area then most likely they have serviced it already. If there isn't a "X" then it probably hasn't been upgraded. If you need / want just a updated spring, I have some of those as well. I will have to look up my cost on those. I think they are under $4-5.
Howdy

[thefox]

I would check the case but I don't have it. I bought a shifter shaft and this kicker assembly came with it, the kicker assembly that came with my case is in the case 350 miles away and I didn't think of checking its condition before I left home. So I will buy that spring just in case. I will PM you.

Thanks for the help!

[Bryan Raffa]

so I can get away with ordering the stiffer spring? how do I tell the diffrance between the two....

[thefox]

so I can get away with ordering the stiffer spring? how do I tell the diffrance between the two....

The stiffer spring is harder to compress...

The two NOS stiffer springs I have seen had a red line painted on them.

[Bryan Raffa]

so it looks like Im SOL..look the same to me..

[Dirtcrasher]

so it looks like Im SOL..look the same to me..

Thats the kicker return spring (torsion spring) isn't there another spring that works on the splines and gets the ratchet gears meshing??

See the bitty spring behind the smaller ratchet gear, I believe that is the problem spring. I imagine guys try shimming it??

[thefox]

The stiffer spring replaces the smaller one on the left end of the first picture. I found some part #'s (can someone verify these?)......

200x starter kits
1983, 06280-965-000

1984, 06281-965-000

1985, 06282-965-680

Spring only, 28253-965-010

[Bryan Raffa]

would shiming it work?