I need feedback on amsoil 2stroke oil

[Billy Golightly]

Billy your talking about those ratios with castors/mineral oils, not synthetic just so ppl don't get confused. I would/will run Benol Castor if I could get it easily I agree but synthetic does protect your motor. I think the average rider can get away with a good quality synthetic since they aren't really tuning motors for max hp.

Well I think the ratios are applicable with any oil, whether castor or synthetic. Does the average joe NEED to run a mixture richer then 50:1? No. Will it help if he does? Most definitely.

[BigGreenMachine]

Well synthetics aren't made the same as castor oils so they wouldn't burn the same. What I mean a 16:1 synthetic ratio wouldn't burn like a 16:1 castor ratio because of their chemical makeup.

Or

Would they burn the same but the difference being the oily ash-like leftovers the castor would leave behind?

[mymint87]

To me, oil is oil........

LOL....I usta ride a DT250 YAMAHA back and forth to high school...it had an oil injector on it and I would run my moms cooking oil...LOL...to me it had that distinctive smell of something similar to Bel-Ray...

AND NEVER HAD ANT PROBS......

this thread is full of a bunch of 's getting down to the molecular level and Snake oil salesmen

[Bryan Raffa]

LOL....I usta ride a DT250 YAMAHA back and forth to high school...it had an oil injector on it and I would run my moms cooking oil...LOL...to me it had that distinctive smell of something similar to Bel-Ray...

AND NEVER HAD ANT PROBS......

this thread is full of a bunch of 's getting down to the molecular level and Snake oil salesmen

Back in the days of dinosaurs cooking oil and 2 stroke oil were the same.. Oil refinery has come a long way since the days of the snake oil salesman..Man your Old!

[Greiver430x]

Ive always ran PJ1 goldfire at 40:1 no problems. doesnt foul plugs to much either. the way I look at it no oil is worse than too much oil.

[Billy Golightly]

Well synthetics aren't made the same as castor oils so they wouldn't burn the same. What I mean a 16:1 synthetic ratio wouldn't burn like a 16:1 castor ratio because of their chemical makeup.

Or

Would they burn the same but the difference being the oily ash-like leftovers the castor would leave behind?

Ok I get what your saying now. Most synthetic oils have a higher flash point then castors. So in that aspect of the equation on the flash points, the castor will probably make more power. But your still going to have less friction and better ring seal (Probably the best power enhancer) with the synthetic or castor at higher content ratios then most people are using.

[BigGreenMachine]

Going to track down some Klotz Benol/Maxima 927/Blue Marble tomorrow, see if I can get it in locally.

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Question....what is lean? What is rich? Are you guys saying MORE oil is a rich mix? I don't agree. In a gallon of mixed fuel...more oil means less fuel...less fuel=lean. Same gallon with LESS oil....more fuel....more fuel=rich. When these tests were done, comparing amounts of oil to output of HP was the jetting changed or just different fuel/oil ratios used? Not calling bs on anything posted, just trying to get some stuff verified. I personally run 50:1 Dominator. I change out my piston/rings each spring. Running as many hours as I do, my stuff wears alot. I may be able to get more time outta a topend if I were to use more oil, but I like it where it is and it saves a bit of $$$ and I know my piston/rings are good for the season.

I have used Maxima and Klotz Benol, and Supertechnoplate. Liked em all. Ran Honda HP2 also. smelled TOO nasty... I am very happy with my Amsoil and I got a buddy 4 miles away that is a dealer so I can get it any time I need. I think you will be fine with any one of the major brands out there. There are some differences, but I doubt it will matter much. Later

[Bryan Raffa]

Question....what is lean? What is rich? Are you guys saying MORE oil is a rich mix? I don't agree. In a gallon of mixed fuel...more oil means less fuel...less fuel=lean. Same gallon with LESS oil....more fuel....more fuel=rich.

yo speed you got it backwards More oil is rich and less is lean.. Your not getting any less fuel thats still the same,Its the amount of oil put in it.. think of it this way,, If you put strait gas in your 2 stroke would it be too rich or too lean?? Too lean!! and Boom

say you mix your oil at 50:1 and its jetted correct.. perfict color plug.. Then switch it to 32:1 that extra oil will make your plug black from the extra oil..you might see black spooge dripping from your silencer..thus RICH

[Billy Golightly]

Question....what is lean? What is rich? Are you guys saying MORE oil is a rich mix? I don't agree. In a gallon of mixed fuel...more oil means less fuel...less fuel=lean. Same gallon with LESS oil....more fuel....more fuel=rich. When these tests were done, comparing amounts of oil to output of HP was the jetting changed or just different fuel/oil ratios used? Not calling bs on anything posted, just trying to get some stuff verified. I personally run 50:1 Dominator. I change out my piston/rings each spring. Running as many hours as I do, my stuff wears alot. I may be able to get more time outta a topend if I were to use more oil, but I like it where it is and it saves a bit of $$$ and I know my piston/rings are good for the season.

I have used Maxima and Klotz Benol, and Supertechnoplate. Liked em all. Ran Honda HP2 also. smelled TOO nasty... I am very happy with my Amsoil and I got a buddy 4 miles away that is a dealer so I can get it any time I need. I think you will be fine with any one of the major brands out there. There are some differences, but I doubt it will matter much. Later

I've heard this before and don't believe it for 2 seconds. The "Theory" is that some how, when you had additional oil mix to the gas, that because there is technically less gas that you are getting a leaner AIR/FUEL mixture in the carb. This is BS. The carb does not know or care how much oil you run in the gas. It doesn't separate the oil and process only the remaining gas or anything like that. Whatever amount of oil you dump in is mixed with the gasoline and runs right through the carb into the engine where it burns just like the gas does.


Now, if upon mixing a richer ratio (from 50:1 to say 20:1) your engine feels/runs leaner, its because the additional BTU of the extra oil is making itself noticed

[filipinoredneck]

I've heard this before and don't believe it for 2 seconds. The "Theory" is that some how, when you had additional oil mix to the gas, that because there is technically less gas that you are getting a leaner AIR/FUEL mixture in the carb. This is BS. The carb does not know or care how much oil you run in the gas. It doesn't separate the oil and process only the remaining gas or anything like that. Whatever amount of oil you dump in is mixed with the gasoline and runs right through the carb into the engine where it burns just like the gas does.


Now, if upon mixing a richer ratio (from 50:1 to say 20:1) your engine feels/runs leaner, its because the additional BTU of the extra oil is making itself noticed

I have always thought that the term running lean vs. rich only has to do witht the carb set up on fuel ( whether gas or gas/oil mix) to air mixture. Then again, I would beleive you also would have to take into account the amount of oil you would place into the whole equation as this reduces the amount of acctual gas per combustion explosion, hence the less oil , the more gas the more power per stroke. I guess now the question is, is the type of oil capable of lubricating all the internal moving parts with this minimum amount of content. I think only a chemist will now be able to answer that. Anyone work in CSI? We need an analysy of the molecular composition of each oil and test their temperature rating and breakdown point. Sorry, I've been watching too much TV before I bought these trikes. I do prefer the trikes though.

[Billy Golightly]

There air/fuel mixture lean and then there is Fuel/oil (premix) lean. The people that believe more oil in the gas (richer premix) makes a leaner Air/fuel mixture are basing that on the fact that they do not think the oil burns-it does.

[mymint87]

I think only a chemist will now be able to answer that. Anyone work in CSI? We need an analysy of the molecular composition of each oil and test their temperature rating and breakdown point. .

Dudical,

your thread now borders on being moved to the "mad scientist lair"...

Take Billy Golightly's posts for example... WTF??? Total Brain Surgery?
Some of his answers can only be credited to MUCHO research,

I can picture Billy down in the basement, with his barrels of solvents, test tubes, hoses, vials and bubbling mixtures perking from the bunsen burners, and him dressed in some kind of "Hondaline lab suit" with a INSANE SMERK on his face.....and of course his 250R is all strapped down on a gurney right beside him.....CAN anyone else see it?

[filipinoredneck]

There air/fuel mixture lean and then there is Fuel/oil (premix) lean. The people that believe more oil in the gas (richer premix) makes a leaner Air/fuel mixture are basing that on the fact that they do not think the oil burns-it does.

I would also beleive some portions of the oil will burn during the combution process, but the will still be oils that will leave with you exhaust. I don't beleive all the oil in the mix will burn out. This is probably why a lot of boaters are jumping on the 4stroke wagon because of all the oils that is being left in the water. I know I have. Iused to have a 85hp Johnson, now i have a 4.3 V6. inboard. I really hated seeing the oil around my my boat.

[BigGreenMachine]

Now, if upon mixing a richer ratio (from 50:1 to say 20:1) your engine feels/runs leaner, its because the additional BTU of the extra oil is making itself noticed.

So now that you run a richer oil mix and the engine is burning hotter you would need to richen the jetting to get the motor back to normal temp?