OK, let's get some clarity on my 350X. Is it an 86, 85 or an inbetweener?

**Hoosier_Daddy** · 06-08-2009, 04:17 PM

OK, ever since I got my 350X I haven't been sure of the year. Many of the 350X gurus swear it's an 85. But there are holes in that theory. I have checked and checked and checked and every single time my vin comes back as an 86. I thought it may be an 86 with some 85 parts on it BUT........ there is now more to it then that. I know there was never an 85.5 350X. But does that mean there wasn't a few that slipped by in transition? Mine has an 85 swinger and shock. 86 carrier and sproket etc. The frame vin comes back as 86. Funny thing is, the frame is an 86 but it has no gullets like the 86. Explain that? I originally though the engine was an 85 because the clutch cable was routed like an 85, until I tore it down and found out that it has an 86 stator. So, it appears the engine is an 86 afterall.

I could see some people saying this could be a mutt and I could agree but explain why someone would go through the trouble of adding all that stuff including internal engine parts? It seems like too much work. But the thing that gives it away the most is the 85 style frame without gussets with a clear 86 vin.

Let's hear some opinions on this.

**fabiodriven** · 06-08-2009, 04:29 PM

As I read this my first thought was "It's an 86 with some 85 parts swapped over." But as you stated, the frame has 86 #'s but doesn't have gussets? Doesn't make sense. Unless it was at one time "hot" and somebody took #'s from another frame and stamped them on yours, but that seems less likely than it just being a mutt to me. I dunno....

**Dirtcrasher** · 06-08-2009, 04:29 PM

Good god, didn't we cover this??

I've seen 3 frame versions. 85, late 85 and 86.

Any other part can be mixed and matched. None of it matters, the 85 is lovely, the 86 has more loveliness........

Just get the F%$#@! thing running will ya?? At least spill the beans on the F up

And for GODS SAKE, fix the TECATE correctly or we'll have 75 posts about it blowing up.

EDIT - What gusset do you speak of?? It isn't much to a trained 350X eye from 85 to 86, but it's there.

Once again we have NO BIG CLEAR PICTURES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Take the clutch cover off, inspect the oil pump, look at the tripples blah blah blah. You DO NOT have a MYSTERY trike, you have a cobbled up trike that use to run and you touched it and now it does not run

**Hoosier_Daddy** · 06-08-2009, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by Dirtcrasher

Good god, didn't we cover this??

I've seen 3 frame versions. 85, late 85 and 86.

Any other part can be mixed and matched. None of it matters, the 85 is lovely, the 86 has more loveliness........

Just get the F%$#@! thing running will ya?? At least spill the beans on the F up

And for GODS SAKE, fix the TECATE correctly or we'll have 75 posts about it blowing up.

EDIT - What gusset do you speak of?? It isn't much to a trained 350X eye from 85 to 86, but it's there.

1. That is actually the first time I have personally read that there are different frame versions. I have a life outside the boards and don't have time to read every thread

and the search function did me no good every time I checked it.

2. I double checked the KX cylinder and it does have some very slight wear around the ports and I assure you it will be done righ.

3. I though you guys said the 86's had some sort of gusset wrapping the fram around the mounts.

4. I'm working on assembling it now and that is why I had this question in the first place.

5. If it doesn't matter, that's fine, but I've asked for someone to please tell me what to call my trike. The vin is 86. Is it fair for me to say i have an 86 350x because of that even though it is a transitiona;l model. The bottom line is, That is the answer I'm seeking. If I cakll it an 86 am I gonna get heckled for lying about it or is it fair for me to say YES, I have an 86 350X.

Throw me a bone here!

**Dirtcrasher** · 06-08-2009, 04:42 PM

TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT YOU SCREWED UP ON THE 350X MOTOR and then I'll help you

I don't read every thread either, just the ones that WANT the help or ones posted from people that are ignorant/dumb or a little of both and I enjoy making fun of.......

There is one simple "frame wrap", 3/4 of the way around, no gusset, no DC frame improvements etc etc etc.

Could we have a picture please?? Then I can talk about it. OH YEAH! And don't forget to tell me how and why you screwed up the 350X motor

**fabiodriven** · 06-08-2009, 04:44 PM

I thought there were gussets. Shows what I know.

**Hoosier_Daddy** · 06-08-2009, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by fabiodriven

As I read this my first thought was "It's an 86 with some 85 parts swapped over." But as you stated, the frame has 86 #'s but doesn't have gussets? Doesn't make sense. Unless it was at one time "hot" and somebody took #'s from another frame and stamped them on yours, but that seems less likely than it just being a mutt to me. I dunno....

Exactly, my friend. I'm so confused. maybe I should never have added red to my stable. lol

**3Razors** · 06-08-2009, 04:46 PM

The motor has a VIN too. Run the vin to find out.

**Hoosier_Daddy** · 06-08-2009, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by Dirtcrasher

TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT YOU SCREWED UP ON THE 350X MOTOR and then I'll help you

There is one simple "frame wrap", 3/4 of the way around, no gusset, no DC frame improvements etc etc etc.

Could we have a picture please?? Then I can talk about it. OH YEAH! And don't forget to tell me how and why you screwed up the 350X motor

First, I have no idea what one thing you are asking about me screwing up. If i had a dollar for every time i screwed something up, I'd be rich. Give me a hint and i'll give an instant replay of me stupidity.

Also, sorry for calling them gussets. The wraparound it what I was referring to and my frame doesn't appear to have that.

**Dirtcrasher** · 06-08-2009, 04:55 PM

I guess I should ask, whats the big deal? anyhoot?

Whats the issue other than maybe calling it an 86 when it has some 85 parts??

The 86 improvements were wonderful, but mostly cosmetic and or simple fine tuning of an already great machine. But, other than an oil pump pick up location and the frame wrap, I really see nothing enormously wonderful about an 86.

Tanks' 85 350X is just fine in comparison to mine. Actually his is better because I did an awesome job on his frame (DC pats self on back, scratches his butt at the same time

)

Honda recognized a frame issue and corrected it in late 85, I have seen the frames with 85 VINs having the wrap. Truth be told, even that wrap was not enough. It's small at best and even side by side, you'd have to have a half a brain to absorb it (sorry, you may be out of luck there HD

)

The 85 frame is not weak, that one motor mount absorbs the 100lb motor coming down off of a landing while the shock pushes the frame up. Thats the issue. The rest of the frame weak areas is just because it's a big heavy motor and in time it takes it's toll. And FAT guys ride 350X's for some reason, I'm no moose at 210 and 5'10" but no lean machine like Johnny boy either.

I can't break my frame and I don't know why, that little wrap is nothing. It's helpful, but nothing in reality..... I want so bad to break that frame, build and PC another and toss in one of my built, cammed and ported crate motors

CMON - TAKE A PICTURE of the frame are will ya??!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My question is - did you or did you not end up bending a valve on the 350X? What did you find and if you don't know how you did it and what you did, how will it be avoided next time (DC scratches his head)

**Hoosier_Daddy** · 06-08-2009, 05:03 PM

Thanks for the info dirtcrasher. I still want to know what i did wrong so I can accept me humiliation and get it over with.

**fabiodriven** · 06-08-2009, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by Hoosier_Daddy

Thanks for the info dirtcrasher. I still want to know what i did wrong so I can accept me humiliation and get it over with.

I think he thinks you bent a valve.

**Dirtcrasher** · 06-08-2009, 05:08 PM

PICTURE PLEASE and it will be resolved in an hour............

Do I really have to take pictures of my crap to show you? Did you read my thread on TANKS frame? It shows the stock mount and the wrap and my SPARE 86 frame is shown cracked in that thread.

I guess I'll have to find the thread for you.... Back in a minute with editing.

EDIT - It's in there somewhere, you want6 the page ands post number too??

http://www.3wheelerworldforums.com/s...nforcing+frame

**DeePa** · 06-08-2009, 05:10 PM

you ever think that someone put an 86 stator in an 85 motor???

run the motor vin. and take some pics of the steering stem vin so i can send it to the cops so they can take a nice trike out of an idiots hands...

**Hoosier_Daddy** · 06-08-2009, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Dirtcrasher

PICTURE PLEASE and it will be resolved in an hour............

Do I really have to take pictures of my crap to show you? Did you read my thread on TANKS frame? It shows the stock mount and the wrap and my SPARE 86 frame is shown cracked in that thread.

I guess I'll have to find the thread for you.... Back in a minute with editing.

EDIT - It's in there somewhere, you want6 the page ands post number too??

http://www.3wheelerworldforums.com/s...nforcing+frame

Well, if you're talking about a bent valve it isn't possible. I turned the engine over slowly by hand and then once i felt it stop I quit and no pressure was put on it. I even took off the cove and the valves are fine. I have no reason to lie about it. If i bent a valve, trust me, you guys would heard about it for sure, but I promise all is well in that department. Just curious, why do you think I have a bent valve? I never put ant force on any of the valve train while checking for bottoming out. I have no reason to lie about it. I may not be a master mechanic but i know better then forcing the drive train. Trust me, all valves are ok.

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OK, let's get some clarity on my 350X. Is it an 86, 85 or an inbetweener?