anyone ever do/try a back flip on a 3wheeler?

[Escanabajosh]

i was riding past the fair grounds in town today and seen that scott murray is going to be doing a show sunday (he's the 2nd person the land the double backflip in comp.) anyways i got to wondering if anyone ever landed a backflip on a 3wheeler? i know they do it on sleds and quads but never heard on 3 wheels.

what ya think? 250r can handle a beating like that?

i'd check youtube but i cant view videos on my POS 'puter.....i'll surf around see if i can dig anything up.

[oldskool83]

i bet its happened by not even trying. (aka accident)

[Dirtcrasher]

I actually sent emails to Nitro Circus and told them we'd find a 250R for Trav to rock a flip on.....

No response though :(

Can't hurt if more people ask him to give it a shot though.

[Kerick]

Travis backflipped a 3 wheeled tricycle if tht counts...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kh7d-DAZ8Y&feature=related

[code200k]

I actually sent emails to Nitro Circus and told them we'd find a 250R for Trav to rock a flip on.....

No response though :(

Can't hurt if more people ask him to give it a shot though.

maybe if everybody e-mails him then he will

[Pafrig]

that trycycle thing just made my day.

[Kerick]

I emailed Nitro Circus just now. That would be awesome if TP backflipped a 250r

[atcrider1]

how do you send em an email?

[Kerick]

http://www.nitrocircus.com/shop/index.php?l=page_view&p=contact_us

[fabiodriven]

We should all start mailing them.

EDIT: I just tried to send a message and for some reason it wouldn't let me. It just kept refreshing the security code. ???

[Kerick]

Theres 2 options for emailing them their site and myspace:
http://www.nitrocircus.com/shop/inde...w&p=contact_us
http://www.myspace.com/nitrocircuscrew

[tri-z987]

i sent mine, worked fine..

[lndy650]

Travis backflipped a 3 wheeled tricycle if tht counts...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kh7d-DAZ8Y&feature=related
wow that is awesome!

[oscarmayer]

my message to them.


OK so you think your doen with trikes? You jsut got started bud. I DARE you to attempt the same thing on a HONDA ATC trike. a 200x tweaked out or a 250r would be my choice of machines.

I DOUBLE DOG DARe YOU!!!! ;)

LOL

[MagicJames]

I just have to say that Travis Pastrana is the MAN



p.s. I sent a message too

[atcrider1]

i just sent them an email

[VintageHondaKid]

I posted it on facebook on their Nitro Circus page. It would be badass imo if they did it though.

[theiizz08]

Email sent i hope they do itshens

[krazykane]

i sent mine to them to

[CRAZY70MAN]

sent my email...... you guy's must be mind readers!! Just been talkin' to the guys at work about this...... if we keep up the pressure...... Pastrana will have no choice.... lol that would be the @#$& man....

[Saul]

So you guys wanna see a three wheeler get destroyed?

[Dirtcrasher]

^ It doesn't have to be a beauty.....

It can just as easily be one with a cracked case that used a Hibachi for an exhaust and trash cans for fenders :D :lol:

[Saul]

^ It doesn't have to be a beauty.....

It can just as easily be one with a cracked case that used a Hibachi for an exhaust and trash cans for fenders :D :lol:

Regardless - they'll still thrash it, junk it and throw it away - then whatever of those 20 year old parts WERE there won't be available to other people who need these rare parts. I am shocked at you people! For shame, for shame!

*I'd personally still love to see it though - preferably they run out and buy that 86 in the crate, assemble it on backflip it off the grand canyon with Travis wearing a parachute like that episode he did it on dirtbikes!*

Now THAT is something worth tuning in for!

So whats next? We contact Wes Millers 'Bomb Squad' and beg them for the next Heuvos video to be shot on all trikes? ROFL - could you imagine them hitting 10 foot ramps with 30 foot gaps on three wheelers?

[MonroeMike]

So you guys wanna see a three wheeler get destroyed?

Maybe he'll have a smooth landing. :D

[Saul]

Maybe he'll have a smooth landing. :D

Smooth landing on a 3 wheeler? Unpossible! :twisted:

[ZLEEHW]

Just sent mine in :)

[Kerick]

Did anyone get a reply? When you send it it says " We will reply in 24 hrs"

[Billy Golightly]

I don't see the big deal about hitting a ramp on a trike. If the suspension is setup half assed decent and the rider doesn't over or under shoot it, it should be like anything else? I don't understand how you guys are saying that its impossible for a trike to do a ramp jump? Obviously not a hard tail, but any of the 4 high performance trikes with half assed decent suspension should be fine...

[Saul]

I don't see the big deal about hitting a ramp on a trike. If the suspension is setup half assed decent and the rider doesn't over or under shoot it, it should be like anything else? I don't understand how you guys are saying that its impossible for a trike to do a ramp jump? Obviously not a hard tail, but any of the 4 high performance trikes with half assed decent suspension should be fine...

get back to me when you hit a 10 foot Aussie comp ramp and clear a 50 foot gap - on a trike, any trike. Never mind back flipping the thing, I just wanna see it landed.

:lol:

*prays we have a member here crazy enough to try it*

[inv3ctiv3]

I don't see the big deal about hitting a ramp on a trike. If the suspension is setup half assed decent and the rider doesn't over or under shoot it, it should be like anything else? I don't understand how you guys are saying that its impossible for a trike to do a ramp jump? Obviously not a hard tail, but any of the 4 high performance trikes with half assed decent suspension should be fine...


for some reason the landing seems to be the sketchiest part to me.

[Saul]

for some reason the landing seems to be the sketchiest part to me.

:lol:

Yeah - I don't foresee any problems hitting the ramp, it's being 25-30 feet in the air, crossing a 40 foot gap and landing that single front tire (and forks) that would get me alittle 'nervous' :crazy:

[Billy Golightly]

Anyone whos seen me ride in the dirt knows I don't have any trouble doing 50-60ft gaps on either a quad or a trike. I've never jumped a ramp before but first time for everything I suppose.

[inv3ctiv3]

Anyone whos seen me ride in the dirt knows I don't have any trouble doing 50-60ft gaps on either a quad or a trike. I've never jumped a ramp before but first time for everything I suppose.

Not saying it's impossible just saying it would take an extremely skilled rider with huge balls haha. I would never try anything close to that :beer

[Saul]

Anyone whos seen me ride in the dirt knows I don't have any trouble doing 50-60ft gaps on either a quad or a trike. I've never jumped a ramp before but first time for everything I suppose.

You were how high in the air when clearing these '60ft' gaps? :wondering

[Billy Golightly]

8-10ft? Something of that nature? The biggest table top at my track was a 95fter and I was almost clearing that with my TRX when I quit riding on it. Air height between the take off and the landing, other than wow factor, doesn't really mean much. If the landing is made right and you put it down on it you could pretty much land from a 100ft up and not wreck. Its all about rolling the energy forward and not slamming it flat into the ground. Thats why you dont ever see anyone jump a ramp (or anything else with size to it) to flat ground. The physics arent on your side if you arent landing down hill.

[rt_linn]

makes me wanna get out on my 350X and have an attempt at it to post on YouTube or something, just so i could be (possibly) the FIRST PERSON TO BACKFLIP A TRIKE!! and by the grace of god i would somehow land and not kill myself :)

[Escanabajosh]

lol.....rt_linn, i was thinking the same thing....lol, i live close to scott murray and he's got a foam pit so i was thinking about droppin him a line see if i can try it out.
check out sickairfmx.com hes the 2nd person to land the double in comp. happen less than a year ago.

also me and the ol lady don't see eye to eye on the 3wheeler thing,she thinks i don't need more then one casue i can't ride 2 at the same time anyways....well i was joking with her about the whole back flip thing and i told her tax time i might have to get a 250r just so i can try it..........don't mean i can't buy the wheeler and then "chicken out" (doubt i'd acctualy try it, just a reason toi get the machine).

[Dammit!]

I don't remember who this is but somebody posted this ramp jump on the forum probably three years ago. No tricks or anything but nice air for a 350x. You can see the landing wasn't that hard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGIr98-eIWg

[Saul]

Air height between the take off and the landing, other than wow factor, doesn't really mean much. If the landing is made right and you put it down on it you could pretty much land from a 100ft up and not wreck.

Oh really? :wondering So you don't think that the higher up you are in the air - the more force & velocity you'll create as you come down?

Drop 300 pounds out of the sky from 5 feet - then drop it from 40 feet ... see which once is travelling fastest and gunna make the greatest impact when it lands. Unless common physics are different where you live I'd imagine the 300 pounds coming down from 40 feet is gunna hit much harder then at 5 feet.

Somebody might get lucky and land a three wheeler once, maybe twice off a real ramp before destroying it and themselves - but they won't be hitting the ramp over and over while doing tricks midair like a rider can on a modern quad with proper suspension.

I personally couldn't let my love for 3w's blind me to simple facts that a 3w just could never compete with a modern quad at jumping and/or on a MX track. It's just utter foolishness to think otherwise.

It's the same when 3&4 wheel action put Jimmy White on his Tecate against Gary Denton on his quadrunner - Denton utterly smoked White in every event they matched them up in - TT, MX etc etc - it wasn't even close.

All that said - I would love to see someone here backflip a trike, freestyle a trike, hit a ten foot ramp and clear a huge gap. :beer

[Micahdogg]

I'll kick in some cash on supplying Travis with a 86 250R. It'll make mine more valuable when he's done with it :)

[Billy Golightly]

Oh really? :wondering So you don't think that the higher up you are in the air - the more force & velocity you'll create as you come down?

Drop 300 pounds out of the sky from 5 feet - then drop it from 40 feet ... see which once is travelling fastest and gunna make the greatest impact when it lands. Unless common physics are different where you live I'd imagine the 300 pounds coming down from 40 feet is gunna hit much harder then at 5 feet.

Somebody might get lucky and land a three wheeler once, maybe twice off a real ramp before destroying it and themselves - but they won't be hitting the ramp over and over while doing tricks midair like a rider can on a modern quad with proper suspension.

I personally couldn't let my love for 3w's blind me to simple facts that a 3w just could never compete with a modern quad at jumping and/or on a MX track. It's just utter foolishness to think otherwise.

It's the same when 3&4 wheel action put Jimmy White on his Tecate against Gary Denton on his quadrunner - Denton utterly smoked White in every event they matched them up in - TT, MX etc etc - it wasn't even close.

All that said - I would love to see someone here backflip a trike, freestyle a trike, hit a ten foot ramp and clear a huge gap. :beer



Your taking what I'm saying out of context. I'm talking specifically jumping. I'm not a retard, I know that a quad is going to be faster around an MX track than a trike with equal riders. :lol:



If I jump off of a 10ft high ramp, gain 12ft of air and land on a on landing that is 15ft high (a step up), I've only lost 7ft in height from the highest point (where you start to fall) regardless of the fact that in between the ramp and the landing, there is 22ft under me. THATS what I'm talking about. And if the landing is steep enough and you set it down on it right, even the "fall height" isn't that big of a deal. Pickup a hot wheels, hold it over a bathroom sink and drop it flat out of the air, level with the top of the counter. Not very pretty, huh? Now hold it nose down, and let it roll across the side wall of the sink...it will more or less ride down the wall and then get to the bottom corner and transition itself back to the flat bottom. This is exagerated of course, because there are no vertical landings or anything even close to vertical. And steeper landings are more dangerous for numerous reasons, but the principal is the same. The higher up you go, the steeper the landing you need, and it'll be smooth. I broke my arm on my first TRX back in like 2001 or whenever it was because I was too stupid to understand this. I took the loader and made a 4ft high dirt pile and started jumping off of it flat landing out in the grass. Wht was my top height, like 7-8ft? But it was a flat landing. And it hurt. If that would have been 7-8ft to correctly built downward sloped angle, it would have been cake.



Doug, that was a good video. I had forgotten about that.

[Saul]

I clearly see where you are coming from now Billy. So yeah - under those ideal circumstances a trike 'jump' should be a piece of cake since you're not really landing from any great distance or doing anything special.

Meh - it's still all internet talk until someone goes out and tries it anyways.

But disagreeing about the jumping & landing capabilities of a trike VS a modern quad is plain silly. IMHO.

[fabiodriven]

I got into a pissing match a few months ago about this very subject and was proven wrong on all parts. There are people on here who can and will jump very high and very far and they'll do it over and over.

[Mosh]

If you have seen a MX bike, Sled and quad backflip, you have seen all there is too see.
Just another heavy object doing a backflip..

To ask someone else (that doesnt normally ride a trike) to attempt this type of stunt, coming from a "everyday" trike rider, would be like, being a Professional carpenter, but hiring another carpenter to build a house for you, because you are too scared to try it yourself.:lol:

If I was Travis, and got a bunch of email request's for a trike backflip...From a bunch of trike riding owners.....My response would be this...

"Nah go ahead,and try that yourself..Let us know when and where, and we may show up to film Your efforts"..:lol:

Crazy thing is..I bet he would do it, if someone donated the trike to use..
Maybe offer that option in your requests.:D

[Billy Golightly]

Saul, I'm not nitpicking, but I want you to understand. THose aren't "ideal circumstances" they are the circumstances that 99.9% of all big jumpers adhere to. Checkout some of the arena cross racing videos, and look how steep the landings are, and how low the front end is compared to the rear when they land. Its because they are putting that front wheel down first and ROLLING the force forward with them instead of sinking it flat down into the ground. Ask someone to ride flat off an "aussie comp ramp", just off of it- much-less jump it and gain height without a landing. They'll laugh and say no way. But with a landing they'll hit it in 4th gear pinned and gain an extra 15-20ft of height off the top off the ramp. Why? Because the landing is easier ;)

[Saul]

Yeah Billy - I hear what you're saying. I get where you are coming from.

I guess what perplexes me most are people who will argue until they are blue in the face that a three wheeler is capable of doing the kind of stunts a modern quad can - height, distance etc etc ... and even go as far to say a three wheeler can hang with a quad at MX tracks and whatnot.

It just floors me that anyone can make these claims with a straight face and believe they are right - I'm a staunch 3w supporter, I own 2 of them and love them both - but I can't even attempt to claim that either could hang with a well prepped quad in 'most' situations.

I feel a three wheeler is 'better' then a quad at one event - drag racing.

But again, that is just my opinion & seeing as to how I'm at 'three wheeler world' it's probably not the best place to give that opinion. LOL!

[Micahdogg]

The few people who are such freaks that they can slay 250R/450F quads on their 3 wheelers....well, I would like to see them do back to back laps on a 3 wheeler and then a quad. If they are that good...it should be a breeze to click off faster laps on a quad. :)

[factoryX]

hmm, that is hard to say we have people on here who are getting up there with quads on the track, and jumping is only a factor of racing. Hoosier Daddy

Another thing how many members on here just putput around on there trikes rather than going hard core on jumping, hill climbing, drag racing, mx, etc.. if you watch the videos of people riding there trikes on mx tracks it looks like they are not trying to break anything.

[Kintore]

if you watch the videos of people riding there trikes on mx tracks it looks like they are not trying to break anything.

geeez id watch how I say stuff like that bud. :acr

[factoryX]

not all people...cough cough.. simply pointing it out.

[Louis Mielke]

Gonna say....Team Beatner and Plan B racing never back down from trying to break something.

[Mosh]

I have seen quite a few trikes beat and battered,along with flips and crashes that required a few weeks healing time,and a money to repair the trike.First hand, not from a youtube video.
Heck I got hit so hard one time, it blew my rear fenders off the bike,and ripped the silencer out of the frame. Bolt, threads and all.
99.9% of the time, those guys are going as fast as they can without purposely wiping out.
The vids dont do them justice.
But,

I have seen a few girls, just out right throw caution into the wind on a trike, just to win a race...And the outcomes were good for some, and not so good for others.
And yes stuff got broken..

[factoryX]

okay, so what I am saying here, how many people on this actually jump there trike over 20ft? Or, aren't afraid to go over 40mph on turns to keep them self's from flipping?

[Saul]

Well - I have never personally said that there are people who don't go all out and ride hard on their trikes. Never, ever should anyone feel that was my meaning or intention in a discussion such as this.

More then anything, let me use you Mosh or you Kintore - put you both on a trike, say Jason Hall's 450 - and do some laps at an MX track. Say take your average time over 5 laps.

Then you both do the same thing on a 450 quad.

I personally think you would both be turning much quicker laps on the quad - much, much quicker laps.

Now - the whole 'jumping' debate - I guess obviously you might 'make' and land some of these jumps on a well built trike - but - that trike is going to be MUCH less forgiving then a quad should you come up short OR overshoot your landing ... one front tire suspended by forks compared to two front tires with 2 triple or quad rate shocks?

I just can't see how anyone can feel a three wheeler even comes close to comparing or competing with a well built quad on any level at anything besides straight line drag racing?

[Billy Golightly]

that trx250r you got has corrupted you, saul :lol:

[Mrs.Mosh]

Another thing how many members on here just putput around on there trikes rather than going hard core on jumping, hill climbing, drag racing, mx, etc.. if you watch the videos of people riding there trikes on mx tracks it looks like they are not trying to break anything.

Here are 2 vids to compare todays races, and vintage races.
Both vids are from an indoor arena, because...well I can't find any footage from an MX track from back in the day.

Vintage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47Tiq38hbWc

This years winter indoor. (Watch to the right of your screen at about the 3:13 mark. You will see the crazy canadian on the yellow 250R clear a 30 foot double).
http://www.youtube.com/user/TimSr1961#p/u/2/OaxGgkB5bfw


and another...watch #117
http://www.youtube.com/user/TimSr1961#p/u/7/4JQgNYuRC2Q

[Saul]

that trx250r you got has corrupted you, saul :lol:

Maybe Billy, maybe. :cry: But I just can't make narrow minded claims in defence of a three wheeler anymore. I love em, will always love em and help promote em till I'm blue in the face, certainly ... but even us hardcore trikers need to face the reality of these machines we love and ride.

I've seen a few people from this forum and org on some quad sites running quads and their owners up and down about how a 3w will outperform their 700 raptors and yfz450's and it just makes the rest of us look bad/ignorant/silly.

I look to people like the OTC to really keep trikes and trike racing alive - they don't boast about it or make crazy claims or wanna go 'quad hunting' - they go to the track, they race a 3w class and they have fun doing it. Kudos to them.

And, once again, kudos to you Billy for keeping 3ww.com going and putting up with meatheads such as myself. :lol:

[seadoo650]

This thread is getting stupid. Obviously not everyone who rides/races trikes jump far. That is rider choice. The whole "trike vs. quad" thing is dumb. Two totally different machines. It's like comparing a quad to a dirtbike. The dirtbike is far superior suspension wise and handeling wise. I've seen bikes, trikes and quads all wreck. Then again, I've seen trikes do some stuff that you claim they can't. It's all in the rider and practice. If someone is determined enough, has the money for a foam pit, ahs his or her trike set up right and has a sack big enough, then I am sure it would be a matter of time before a back flip, for said person, would be possible. I can remember not too lond ago alot of people said a backflip on a quad will never happen.

[Saul]

This years winter indoor. (Watch to the right of your screen at about the 3:13 mark. You will see the crazy canadian on the yellow 250R clear a 30 foot double).
http://www.youtube.com/user/TimSr1961#p/u/2/OaxGgkB5bfw




There you go. As you'll see - as you were posting this I was posting about how I respect the OTC and what they are doing. AND - in posting this video you pretty much show the difference between trikes and quads on an MX track. This video clearly shows that a trike in no way, shape or form belongs anywhere near the quad classes.

Watching trikes race each other is fantastic! Watching a trike racing a quad would be embarassing.

Again, hats off and much respect to the OTC for keeping the spirit and love alive. The crowds must really love it when they see you guys show up for an event. :w00t:

[factoryX]

What I am trying say here is how could you say that quads are better at mx if there isn't enough people riding there trikes at the track in the first place to get that information, its like saying that 4 strokes are better than 2 strokes. I am not trying to say people suck, just pointing out some people like to goof off rather than go crazy at a mx track. The track posted in the videos is a super tight track.

[Kintore]

So what you are wanting is people that do race MX to race at places like glen helen? like national pro level tracks?

This is not so tight...
I challenge anybody to lay into their 250r 4th gear wide friggin open to clear this.
Sure the video does not look to bad, but try doing it to a blind launch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73nYiyU7_1c&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRKLDrF0X1c

[fabiodriven]

I'm assuming that's you Kintore. If so, you have great big balls of steel. My hat goes off to you, sir. I don't think I could ever do that.

[trikerooster]

I have had the same idea for years! We should all get together and make a freestyle video. WHY don't they have any vids of ATC jumping?
I bet travis would do it!!

[factoryX]

I have had the same idea for years! We should all get together and make a freestyle video. WHY don't they have any vids of ATC jumping?
I bet travis would do it!!

trikefest?

[trikerooster]

Hell yeah, I just emailed him! That would be insane huh

[Saul]

I have had the same idea for years! We should all get together and make a freestyle video. WHY don't they have any vids of ATC jumping?


Lead the way young jedi! The rest will follow. :w00t:

[trikerooster]

I can jump pretty high. I also have and 82' rear shock. No travel vs. 86 R.
Nice you did the 300 kit. Do you have stock front end on your 82'?

[Saul]

Nice you did the 300 kit. Do you have stock front end on your 82'?
No I don't.

[trikerooster]

what year do you have?

[trikerooster]

I get so excited when i go to the desert I forget to take pics or video.

[Saul]

what year do you have?

I am running a 1985 200x front.

[Saul]

I get so excited when i go to the desert I forget to take pics or video.

:lol:

You should duct tape a camera to your helmet!

[trikerooster]

If I could afford a $500 dollar camera!
I'd rather work on riding and have someone else take video!