Got me self a Z!!.... more problems mo money

[code200k]

finally got a tri z..paid 470 for and i got extra parts such as front fenders shrouds foot pegs and extra set or rads..i gotta clean the carb i can get it to run for more then a couple sec.i gotta find my manuel too.the god damm kickstarter is killing my leg and ankle:lol: oh yea it has the twist throotle on it now which i am taking off and replaceing with the thumb thootle before i kill myself..oh yea she also has a full d.g. pipe on it

[MonroeMike]

Congrats on the new ride. There's a manual in WCH.

http://72.52.143.80/~trikes/Manuals/ATC%20manuals/YamTri-ZServiceManual.pdf

[code200k]

thanks mike.. i knew you had one for me

[old-yellow]

Nice find I never see any tri-z's around here for less then $1,500.

[Kerick]

man thats clean for $470

[code200k]

yea she does have some rust. nothing major though..i think i might need some rear end bearings soon

[ceaserthethird]

Look everything over real good, Change all the fluids, Air Filter & spark plug.

What mixing oil are you going to buy ?

[code200k]

Look everything over real good, Change all the fluids, Air Filter & spark plug.

What mixing oil are you going to buy ?

thats what im doing tomorrow and idk bout the oil any suggestions??

[tri-z987]

looks good man. ill trade ya my thumb thottle i hate it lol

[code200k]

looks good man. ill trade ya my thumb thottle i hate it lol

my z came with both:D ill sell ya the twist when i pull it off

[Thorpe]

Awesome score! With all that money you saved, go get yourself a haircut! :lol:

[code200k]

naaa im keeping the mohawk for a while FTW!

[4cfed]

nice!!!!

for pre mix oil.. klots super technicplate FTW!!!

[Kerick]

I run Klots in my Rm that stuff is great

[4cfed]

I run Klots in my Rm that stuff is great

been dyno proven to make more hp.. higher btu rating

[Racerguy381]

been dyno proven to make more hp.. higher btu rating

Sounds like Dumonde Tech DTP synthetic been running it for years awsome stuff.
http://www.dumondetech.com/Product2Cycle.html

[Kintore]

Nice Z, I remember when I got my first 86 WAY back in the day.

I run amsoil and nothing but, 40-1 and were hummin now!

[code200k]

i gotta drain the gas its old..and get a new plug..but i manged to take it for a couple laps around the yard and she ran and idle fine..she just keeps fouling out..also it took a lil bit to get started but after she warmed up she ran great till the plug went again...by the tank the sticker says run 20 to 1..is the still a good ratio?

[Yamaha_Rules69]

20:1 is REALLY rich. Most people run 32:1, its the middle margin between rich and lean, and I have always had great results. Nice tri Z, and let us know how she runs when you get it tuned up.

[posty2100]

20:1 is for leaded gas, now a days its all unleaded gas so you run a leaner mix

[code200k]

so 32:1 would be good?

[Russell 350X]

I run Maxima 927 at 42:1, and it runs perfect. I always liked Klotz R-50 too.

[code200k]

ill probaly get what ever my local yamaha dealer has.probally yama lube or klotz

[code200k]

i got the Z running good todday for the most part..wont be 100% good till i get new gas into her..but i took it for a lil ride on the "track" for dirtbike right behind my house and wow this thing is beast manly in 2nd gear because i still have the twist throttle on it..

[audioworks04]

I run ams oil interceptor in all my two strokes at 40:1 love it burns really really clean and never had any issues.
Belray is also really good and what i run if i cant find ams, but a little bit pricer.
Klotz and caster are really good oil also but from what ive heard dont burn nearly as clean.

[85200xrider]

i run bel ray mc1 50:1 with 93.....bike runs GREAT

[code200k]

stupid ? but this my first time owning a 2 stroke,can i run klotz 2 stroke mix for snowmobiles in it??i figrued i could but my freind strarted running that in his blaster right before it blew up.and i just wanted to double check

[ATC-Eric]

Dont know about the snowmobile stuff. I run Klotz Technaplate, awesome tasty smelling stuff at 32:1.

Also for plugs, hit your local oreilys, or autozone. The same plugs you buy at the Yamaha dealer for $5, you can get at the auto parts store for $2. B8ES.

Looks nice, and one helluva price!

[code200k]

it is called klotz technaplate.for "snowmobile motros for cold weather performance" and i changed the plug and it is running better now..only other problem is i cant decided if i wanna run the crappy shrouds and front fender or the clean un cracked one's..

[Thorpe]

Crappy ones for now... Your first 2 stroke "oops, over backward" is coming....

[code200k]

^^^ first 2 stroke owned not riden/drove..ive rode plenty of 2 strokes

[code200k]

here are some random pics and one of my lil bro ive been slowly teachings him how to work the clutch and to ride. also i have a couple videos of me hitting a lil jump i just got make a photobucket or upload to youtube.enjoy:D

[Bryan Raffa]

FYI your lawn mower is on fire...

[code200k]

FYI your lawn mower is on fire...

haha i thought that looked cool.i was burning wood and that dang tractor got in my trike pic..also it wouldn't be the first time i have had 3 tractors Blow up on me

[MonroeMike]

Z looks good.

[code200k]

first time jumping the Z..cell phone video:banned:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZOAB3xMTvU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6skmSyya8I

[code200k]

random question did the tri z have a tool kit? if so where did it go??

[Rm250RF900R]

looking good. Minus that little scream at the end of the second video.

[MonroeMike]

Cool.

The scream got me too.

[code200k]

didnt even notice that till posting..thanks guys

[clutchcargo]

The tri-z had a tool kit that went underneath the seat.

[code200k]

The tri-z had a tool kit that went underneath the seat.

thought so thanks

[code200k]

just noticed this the other night.it apperars that i have a oil leak..it looks like it is comming from the shift shaft? anybody else have this problem? also how would i fix this?it is not alot made a penny size puddle after sitting for a week..

[MudBug]

shifter shaft seal bad?

[code200k]

shifter shaft seal bad?

probaly i gotta check it out later..im having a fun time trying to remove the ring nut on the axel right now..

[harryredtrike]

shift saft seal leak.you could probably hold off on that till later if not to bad.keep up on her maintainence and fluid levels should be fine for now.

[code200k]

im having a tuff time with this axle.i cant get the sprocket hub off.tryed beating it off nothing..tryed heating it up and then beating nothing.also it has been soaking in kroil since i woke up.the axle wont move neither any ideas???

[harryredtrike]

i have a buddy that soaked his in a 5 gal bucket of oil for two weeks before it came off.after that slid right off.wouldnt budge before that.

[code200k]

i have a buddy that soaked his in a 5 gal bucket of oil for two weeks before it came off.after that slid right off.wouldnt budge before that.

damm i dont wanna wait that long..i might just bring it to the local yamaha dealer and say fix it lol

[honda250sx]

Are you heating with torches or a cigarette lighter?

[250twostroker]

lol hopefully torches

[code200k]

Are you heating with torches or a cigarette lighter?

torch. one of them lil propane ones for a long time..now it is sitting next to the heater...i need more heat..

[honda250sx]

You need to be cherry. If not. Just forget about it.

[code200k]

You need to be cherry. If not. Just forget about it.

ok thanks ill try to find someone with better torches..we have them but the tanks are empty

[Mosh]

Just un bolt the whole carrier and axle and take it to any machine shop with a press.That is the beauty of a Tri-Z. It is easy to remove the whole axle and carrier to install in a press.
They will press the axle out for about $30-$45 bucks.
Using heat on hardened axle parts is a bad idea if you want to re-use them. The heat will make them brittle and weak if not applied correctly.

[Tri-Z 250]

If it's never been off...You may need to heat it to a cherry red and use a punch/chissel or a pipe wrench with a pipe over the handel(leverage) extention to break it lose. Frist try to soak it in BLASTER, or a penatrating oil from your local Parts store. I've had to waste more than one stock lock nut in my life beating and heating to a saws-all removal. It's a replaceable part...don't feel bad. I never liked the stock setup much anyway.

[honda250sx]

If it's never been off...You may need to heat it to a cherry red and use a punch/chissel or a pipe wrench with a pipe over the handel(leverage) extention to break it lose. Frist try to soak it in BLASTER, or a penatrating oil from your local Parts store. I've had to waste more than one stock lock nut in my life beating and heating to a saws-all removal. It's a replaceable part...don't feel bad. I never liked the stock setup much anyway.

EXACTLY!

If you take it to a shop they most likely damage the end of the axle pressing it out. Unless they really care about your stuff and make a sleeve to protect the axle end. If they do then you'll be about $150 deep in that project. Get it cherry. Knock it apart. Unless your doing knarly MX that axle will probably suit you fine. If you want. Get a used one on ebay. they sell dirt cheap. You can even get a new G-force banshee axle for about $175 bucks.

[code200k]

i have acsess to a press but not until the weekends like wise with a set of good torches as of now the carrier and all is of the tri z...im guessing this is the first time that these bearings are being replaced.when i bought it the guy never mentioned anything about them.until the weekend ill just keep squirting it with kroil and wd 40 if i run outta kroil and try to get the sprocket hub off.

[code200k]

tommorrow after school i gunna heat the hub up and hope it will come off then,ill soak in in kroil real good tonight also.i just realy want to get my trike up and running again so i can tear up the yard :naughty:

[mopar_man]

Don't even waste your time with WD40 on this project. You'd be better off taking a piss on it. Kroil is good stuff though. If it runs out and you want to try something else, try Thrust (http://www.castlepackspower.com/Catalog/ShopChems/thrust.html) or Sea Foam's Deep Creep (http://www.seafoamsales.com/deep-creep/index.html). As someone mentioned before, unless you can get it red hot, it's not going to do much good. Good luck.

[code200k]

Don't even waste your time with WD40 on this project. You'd be better off taking a piss on it. Kroil is good stuff though. If it runs out and you want to try something else, try Thrust (http://www.castlepackspower.com/Catalog/ShopChems/thrust.html) or Sea Foam's Deep Creep (http://www.seafoamsales.com/deep-creep/index.html). As someone mentioned before, unless you can get it red hot, it's not going to do much good. Good luck.

ive been using kroil and a lil mystery oil that i had. im gunna get it red hot tommorow there is torches at my school and i dont feel like waiting till the weekend to go out to my dads machine shop

[code200k]

well i never did get the spocket hub off yet plan never seem to work out for me lol..but i got a new shifter shaft seal and i went to replace it today and it appears that when the chain bound up it looks like it bent the shifter shaft cam too:mad: i think im just gunna keep the fluids topped off every day and then when the she needs a rebuild ill just rebuild the whole motor.or maybe illl get lucky and find a good bottom end for cheap...

[code200k]

will a blasturd sprocket hub work on my Z i know a banshee one will just want to double check cuz i found one cheap..

[code200k]

alright here is it goes i threw the axle back on to her today just to roll it outta the garage so my dad can work on his new truck..decied to pop the chain off and run it for awhile seeing how that it hasent been ran in a good month.welll i went to kick it over and nothing at all like i was stadning on it ( im only 130 lbs) but still nothing not even an inch i am so pissed:mad:... you guys got any advice im going to get marvel mysterior oil saturday if it will help. thanks in advanced i really hope its not seized as i just got it in november and havent got into 5 gear yet

[Rm250RF900R]

Take the spark plug out of it and see if she kicks over. It could be vaporlocked. I had that problem with my old XR100.

[code200k]

nope she still dont move at all

[Thorpe]

Ran when you parked it?

[code200k]

yes sir.drove it into the garage ran fine

[Bryan Raffa]

is the pipe full of gas from the float needle sticking? ,,if not... I would NOT dump any mystery oil in it ... pull the top end and rebuild....

[code200k]

is the pipe full of gas from the float needle sticking? ,,if not... I would NOT dump any mystery oil in it ... pull the top end and rebuild....

ok thanks Raffa ill look tomorrow..what does it mean if the pipe is full of gas??

[Bryan Raffa]

ok thanks Raffa ill look tomorrow..what does it mean if the pipe is full of gas??

pretty mutch you float needle stuck open,, and you piston was in the down stroke... and the gas that was in your tank is now in your pipe.. I hope thats your case...if it is you will learn to A. replace the float needle, OR, B. learn to turn the petcock off...lol.. ..OR ,,,C... break out the wallet for a $100 piston and a $60 bore.. oh and dont put that crap in a 2 stroke,,, its not moveing for a reason.. and Buy some GOOD OIL!

[code200k]

petcock was turned off i always do.. ill take a look at it tonight hope that to but problay not thanks

[code200k]

motor aint seaized!!i went to go look at it today and my dad told me to try kicking it over.still has tons of compression didnt run but the fuel pump is iffy so yea. the new probelm is shifting is a pain to do. right now i cant get into neutral im thinking i messed something up good when i threw the chain because it bent the shifter shaft cam (thing shifter is on?) anybody got a clue on what i messed up? and whats gotta be done to fix it?

[code200k]

anybody got any clues or what to do?

[Thorpe]

Best guess is to pull the motor... Wondering if bending the shift shaft is causing your gears not to mesh correctly... (backlash for a lack of a better term)

[code200k]

thats what i was thinking i just wanted to see if anybody had a idea before i went tearing everything down..

[Mosh]

As long as the case isnt cracked or distorted from the chain throwing, where the shift shaft goes in, you can just pull the clutch cover and replace the shift shaft and seal in the frame.
If the shaft is bent, it will bind up in the case when you try to shift it.Hence why it doesnt shift easy.
If the case is cracked or bent, then you will have to replace the left side case half.

[code200k]

cae aint cracked or bent has a couple scrapes when the chain poped though..ill t pop that cover off soon and have a look.thanks mosh.

[code200k]

gunna go try to pop the cover off now..will post pics

[ben duncan]

Hell of a deal man! I just picked up another Z for 500 bucks too! Yours looks like a nice trike. Did you get'er running better? I had fuel pump issues that were causing mine to do the same thing...

[code200k]

fuel pump works just takes forever to prime exspecaily after sitting for awhile currently i am still trying to fix/replace the
rear axle bearings
shifter shaft cam unit
fuel pump
also need a sprocket and hub..
parts are hard to buy when you have no job. lol

[code200k]

Mosh how abouts do i get the clutch cover off while in the frame? to me it looks like i have to pull the motor to do so? or am i looking in the wrong place

[Mosh]

No it comes off in the frame.
Just remove the right side foot peg and bracket assembly and kicker and kicker shaft cover, drain the coolant and oil.
Be careful, there is a hidden bolt under the kicker shaft cover,and also be careful to not drop the shims for the kicker gears, and there is a waterpump washer that may fall out too.

go to
www.yamaha-motor.com
Look up the 86 Z parts schematic. That will help you see what is under the clutch cover.
You also have to remove the Clutch basket to get the shifter shaft out.
If you dont have one yet, get a manual.There is a decent amount of work and adjustments involved that the manual will help you do.
You will also need new kicker cover gasket and clutch cover gasket.RTV wont work.

[code200k]

ok thats what the manual said. just was confuzed because you said that if the left side was cracked to replace that in the post above. thanks again mosh.just have been taking the repairs on this slow because i love it and dont wanna mess it up lol.can i get the shifter shaft and all gaskets needed new from yamaha still or is ebay or some place my only option?

[code200k]

bummp. put the new shaft in along with a new basket thanks to 03 orange shee! anywho i had to put the tri z on hold because my dad moved the car back into the garage,knocking over my z and the bolts and other stuff that was neatly in a box,well that was back in feb so needless to say a the big nut and lock washer that holds the plates and stuff on is gone it looks like so, can somebody tell me where to get these or what size(s) they are so i could get some replacements.?yes i know she is taking awhile to get back up but that damm car messed things up along with being broke lol

[code200k]

bump.finally got the rear axle mounted up got new bolts for it to mount her up good.im still having trouble with the clutch though i put it all together and it didnt grab at all and she seems to be seized.tommorrow im going to try and pop start it and hope for the best. gotta by a spare motor to build up soon. so far what has been replaced is
clutch basket and pressure plate assembly.
rear axle
fuel pump
newer brakes on the way
new rear brake pads
gaskets
shifter shaft seal replaced 4 times now along with the shaft