barn find 85ATC70**in the "St. Nick" of time!!** [Archive]

aldochina

11-23-2009, 03:13 PM

Things have a way of working out! After that guy screwed me out of the TRX70, 2 days later I came across this!! guy said make him an offer! I offered him 250.00 he said come get it!! Hasnt been registered since 92. This guy got it from original owner, he said he let his buddy use it to teach his kid to ride, dude brought it back and said he busted the pull rope. hasnt moved since!! looks great, tank is a little faded, tires are shot. Inside the tank is spotless. Fix pull cord, and clean carb, and i'm sure it will fire right up. Is there a way to start these without the pullstart. I want to try to get it going for christmas. I no nothing about these, but it looks simple enough. Whats the cheapest place for tires? Let me know what else you see that may need addressing. Brakes and bearings seem great! Enjoy the pics.
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aldochina

11-23-2009, 03:26 PM

Appears someone rode through some paint at some point. a few spatters here and there, should come off with some effort.

Racerguy381

11-23-2009, 03:27 PM

I got Kenda Scorpians for mine, but they are alittle pricey... Innova makes some that are almost an exact match to stock for $27.95ea. You can get them from your local dealer if they deal with Advantage Performance. I work for Advantage out here in WA as an outside sales rep. If your dealer doesnt its easy to get set up just have them go to www.orderapd.com and print the dealer app and send it in. Nice find btw!

jensenracing77

11-23-2009, 03:28 PM

nice find. you don't see the 85 seat in that condition very often any more.

daniel_250r

11-23-2009, 04:01 PM

to start without the pull start you can wrap a rope around the metal cage that the recoil catches on, or you can have a person push you in neutral and then put it into first once you get enough speed

350Xccelerator

11-23-2009, 04:15 PM

That seat :drool:

Sweet 70 man! with a little work that thing will look mint.

MonroeMike

11-23-2009, 05:14 PM

Nice looking 70 you picked you.

GeniusBlock

11-23-2009, 06:25 PM

my buddy puts it in gear and gives the wheel a spin and his 70 fire right up.

oldtime3wheeler

11-23-2009, 08:01 PM

If you put it gear put dont release the shifter. Have someone push you. Once you are moving quick enough release the shifter. Those 70 pullstarts are easy to fix. You can rerope one in 5 min or less. As long as the spring is not broken.
By the way thats a very nice 70.

CRAZY70MAN

11-23-2009, 08:16 PM

MagicJames

11-23-2009, 08:39 PM

Nice find, get it back into shape, looks like it could use a good workout!!

aldochina

11-23-2009, 09:43 PM

thanks for the congrats! Crazyman, thats quite the 70 stable you got!! Good thing is they dont take up much room! Thanks for the hints on starting. I have to remove the pullstart cover, and see how it looks. I have to find a pull start handle!! Thanks Mike for the manual!! I'm gonna mess with it a bit when I get out of work tonight. Do you take the rims apart to get the tires off, or do they pop off like a regular tire? never delt with hte split rim set-up!

CRAZY70MAN

11-23-2009, 09:52 PM

rims are split with rubber o-ring. You may need lots of dishsop and water to soak and break the beads. I wirewheel the rim bead and the entire center of both rims. Check for burrs as well and gouges on o ring mating surface. I always use some rtv silicone on center oring. Let it tack a bit......clean o-ring with blaster and a rag and let it sit for a while. Seat tire on one side of rim with lots of soap and water, your gasket facing up at you on bottom rim. Align top rim carefully making sure it is centered. Tighten evenly. Blow er' on with no air chuck too seat the bead......good luck

greenhuman

11-23-2009, 10:20 PM

I'd check at your local Honda shop for original Ohtsu tires. Should be around $23-28 each. The original Ohtsu's are the best all round tire.

sirceo26

11-23-2009, 10:30 PM

put it in 3rd and start pushing....she will start. Man, that is a really nice 70 for that price!! Better add on to that building already......the 70's have been known to reproduce!!! here is an example:lol: :lol: http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo321/andyatc70/th_Picture353.jpg (http://s388.photobucket.com/albums/oo321/andyatc70/?action=view&current=Picture353.jpg) watch it aldochina..... look what happened to me!! nice score man, real nice....congrats.

I dont get why people say to put it in a high gear to push start things. Wont the engine spin faster in first than it would in 3rd at the same speed? Maybe it's less stress on the trans once you pop it in gear at speed?

aldochina

11-23-2009, 10:32 PM

I saw that dr.atv has the ohtsu's for 34 a piece, I will check around some local joints to see if i can find some cheaper without shipping!!

Racerguy381

11-23-2009, 10:35 PM

This is what the Innova's look like for $27.95
http://www.innovatires.com/E/body.php?web=14&PNo=2006015518

Bryan Raffa

11-23-2009, 10:45 PM

seem's you have the symptom's of the SICKNESS>>> go to the doctor.. bigger shed could be the cure... worked for me.:lol:

aldochina

11-24-2009, 01:10 AM

I just built the freaking thing!! I really couldnt have made it much bigger where it sits. I built it right between my house and the only neibor I have. Now in the fall and winter I dont have to look at there house when Im out back:w00t: . Keep in mind its just a SHED! I saved the larger spot out back for the GARAGE in the future:w00t: Thanks for the link racer guy. I'll give em a look. This is the last trike for awhile I hope:lol: I gotta finish some of these. Problem is I enjoy looking, and when you look, you find deals you cant pass up!!

greenhuman

11-24-2009, 02:26 AM

I have found the non- genuine tires for the 70 are way too hard because of the ply. In mud and sand they dig in and spin not to mention the harsh ride. With the ohtsu's, it is a much softer ride and go thru the soft stuff really well. They only after market tire that came close was a 16 x 8 x 7 Kenda 275 but I don't think they are made any more.

Beerside

11-24-2009, 03:27 AM

Awesome find, looks very original. Seats in that condition are hard to come across. I think you can still get the original Ohtsu rear tires for the 70. Check bike bandit or Service Honda. I couldn't believe it but I even saw a new pair on the tire rack at my local dealer. Here's by 70... :beer
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aldochina

11-24-2009, 03:43 AM

thats an awsome 85 beerside, sucker looks like it was purchased this year!! Didnt realize the seats were that rare. Is it because the foam itself is so thick and the amount of compression just wears the cover and foam faster? Its not perfect, but its nice. The seat has one broken stud in the front, which is weird, because all the other hardware is still gold anodized.:wondering the top has a very slight fade, and its missing a few threads here and there, but its not coming apart anywere. recoil just needs a new rope and handle, carb is clogged solid. I'll post some pics later this morning some time.

aldochina

11-24-2009, 03:03 PM

that is one nasty carb!!
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why is the nuetral indicator facing the wrong way? the tranny is in nuetral in this pic.
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cox

11-24-2009, 03:23 PM

That is one nasty carb, holy crap! what was left in it? dont look like gas to me...

harryredtrike

11-24-2009, 03:28 PM

very nice 70.karma shined on you for that pick up.that carb is one of the worst ive seen.

rdlsz24

11-24-2009, 03:36 PM

lol looks like you have cheese growing in your carb. Nasty for sure.

Rob

BAN ONE

11-24-2009, 03:41 PM

the neutral indicator is just on splines pop the clip off and just take the pointer off and turn it to where it points to the right place. that carb is nasty!! lol ive tried cleaning a few of the ones that i have but i think it is for sure worth the money to get one off of dratv.com looks like a nice 70!

oldskool83

11-24-2009, 03:51 PM

i had a 185s carb that looked like that....i bought a new one!

blaster311

11-24-2009, 04:39 PM

nice find, I just sold my 1982 honda atc70 that sat in a garage the past 26 years, had very low hours as yours and I was able to clean the carburator out but take my advice and buy new jets! even after soaking in cleaner and using compressed air they were clogged solid. Honda dealer happened to have them in stock.

85Tecate

11-25-2009, 04:47 PM

I dont get why people say to put it in a high gear to push start things. Wont the engine spin faster in first than it would in 3rd at the same speed? Maybe it's less stress on the trans once you pop it in gear at speed?

Yes it will spin faster. Ever tried push starting something in 1st gear? The strain it takes to keep it turning is crazy. Thats why most people use 2nd or 3rd as the gearing reduces the "Umph" to get it going. And it turns the engine over plenty fast still to start it. Its like trying to ride uphill on a 10speed in your highest gear.

freaksfix

11-25-2009, 06:38 PM

Thats a realy good score!! If the tires dont have too big of cracks you could just tube them, if the tube aint gonna hang out of the cracks.. That is if this is for the kids, the real kids not the big kids that is. My sons 70 see's more seat time from me after a few beers than my son. Ive got a few tires mounted on 70 rims if your interested and depending on how far you are from 13424 to save on shipping.. Freaks

aldochina

11-26-2009, 01:54 AM

freaksfix

11-26-2009, 11:00 AM

Dude!! Your less than 2 hrs down I-90 from me. Thats pretty cool. We should try to get together for a ride, if you have any spots. Riding out this way sucks! I would be more than happy to make the drive. I took the tires off the rims today and chucked them. they had rot cracks 5 inches long, right through the tire. What type of tires you got, and what might you want for em? new/used? Looks like you got a crap load of 70's from your sig!!

Thats cool man.. Yeah ive got some riden around here, we'll definatly have to get together.. Ive got to get some pics of parts for another board member later tonite so ill get some of the tires too and get back to ya..

oscarmayer

11-26-2009, 11:19 AM

it's repalce that carb. it's fuel that corruded the allow int he carb housing and it;'s not goign to work correctly even after rebuild.
you can get on ebay and get a good chinese reman for decent pricing. $35 shipped most cases)

as stated just pull the eclip, take the plastic off and point it to the correct neutral direction.

do a compression test too while your at it. and if yuou got the tools a leak down test. this will tell you if there's ring and valve issues or not w/o tearing it appart.

freaksfix

11-27-2009, 06:37 PM

Well here is what ive got for extras..

A set of stockers wamullas (sp?), on rims no dry cracks at all, tread is about 60% - 75%, however they are flat not sure how long they hold air, probly gonna need broke down and clean the bead and new stems.. pics 1 and 2 $40

A set of chin chen on rims been holden air since i got them 2-3 years ago, tread is like new. Front one does have some weather checkin rears have none.. pics 3 4 5 $40

And then a (just this one) kenda tread like new, but leaks down will also need broke down and cleaned. I used this last year at brapps for the ice racen, i'll have to pull the screws out but does come with a rim. pic 6 $20

Mods if this cant be here let me now and i'll delete it or you guys can.. Im not tryen to have a classified add but it sure looks like one..

aldochina

11-28-2009, 02:37 PM

thanks freaksfix, I will deffinately take the stockers, just dont know when. Next time you set up a ride or something, pm me, and I will try to join you. Or if you ever come east on 90 let me know, and i could meet you. Appreciate the offer, and hopefully we can hook up. I am gonna buy some new oem's anyway, but i would like another set.

aldochina

12-15-2011, 02:33 AM

as you can tell by the date of the thread this got pushed back a bit to say the least!! i honestly just wanted to wait till my powder coating was set up so i could do it up real nice. Its looking like its still gonna be a bit before that happens, so i just figured id get this running and spruced up a bit so my kid can ride it!! he could of been on it all summer if i wasnt such a slacker! Lol. dont look all that bad anyway.
So i finally got the broken exhaust stud out, and the pull start rebuilt. the stud was a prick, i welded a nut on, but it kept turning off the stud eventually, i did that 3 times, heat the al, tapped it with a brass hammer, basically just kept at it. finally i just welded a good glob right on the stud and locked some vise grips on there, lots of smoking penetrant, and it finaly budged!! the decals on the pull start were still allright, so i just masked them, and gave it a quick, but proper spray job. first one i ever rebuilt, the hardest part was that damn small spring you have to hook to the retaining cover! It will be cool to bang this out before christmas. hopefully i dont run into any snags.
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all three of the 70 motors that i have are broken there. not sure why it was cast so thin. this must be very common. doesnt look like it will affect the seal though. what ae your thoughts?
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aldochina

12-15-2011, 02:44 AM

theres always this option if the original motor needs an overhall!! got to do something with it sometime!!
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oldtime3wheeler

12-15-2011, 07:28 AM

Is that motor and carb brand new?

aldochina

12-15-2011, 10:44 AM

yes sir it is!!

oldtime3wheeler

12-15-2011, 11:45 AM

It sucks that the atc70 carbs choke levers are so prone to breaking. Plus that little cap that covers the spring always falls off and gets lost.

Dirtcrasher

12-15-2011, 08:35 PM

Yes, I never could understand why that are was so thin either. The 86/87 200X have a very thin area in the exhaust area also........

aldochina

12-23-2011, 01:45 AM

been real busy on the 70 the past week or so. going right down to the wire. didnt go to crazy with paint, cause its all coming apart again for powder. every part was taken off and cleaned in kerosene, greased, and reassembled. i did paint a few things like forks, pipe, and brake drum cover that i banged some dents out of. i am waiting on pads? hopefully they are here tomorow. gotta finish cleaning in the tank a bit, mount the muffler, wheels, and plastics. gonna hit the pegs with a little paint. add some fluids, and hopefully she fires up!
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Swinger

12-23-2011, 01:52 AM

Looking good so far, keep it up! Its crunch time, Santa will be here soon!!!

aldochina

12-23-2011, 01:53 AM

alot of the stuff was in excellant shape. Rear bearings, hubs, axle, sprockets, even the original pads where in great shape, they were starting to delaminate though.
assembly:
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gotta figure out something with the throttle cable. its binding where it enters the housing, not sure if its supposed to be routed around the back of the bar? or its not mounted in the housing correctly. i had a ? while putting it together, but it only seemed to want to go one way?

oldtime3wheeler

12-23-2011, 09:21 AM

Its looking real good!

aldochina

12-24-2011, 01:45 AM

got it all buttoned up tonight, just gotta plumb the tank, add some fuel, oil, and a new plug, and see if she fires! i never did get the brake pads, so i will have to put them in when they come! i also need to get a few bolts for the exhaust gaurd! anyone ever come up with an alternitive to those special heat washers?? looks pretty good. i think my son will be pretty stoked when he see's it!!
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110klt

12-24-2011, 06:39 AM

Heck I'm not even related and I am stoked just looking at it. Very nice job on that bike. Just hoping my KLT110 turns out half as nice.

oldtime3wheeler

12-24-2011, 09:48 AM

Aldo that looks great. You have to post up a pic of him when he gets it on Christmas morning.

jsmay

12-24-2011, 12:51 PM

That's great! My boys have been rippin up the yard with there's. They just love it. I'm sure your son with love his.

aldochina

12-28-2011, 02:31 AM

here is a few pics from christmas morning!! it was awsome! memories to last a lifetime!!
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jsmay

12-28-2011, 10:46 AM

that's awesome!

ezmoney1979

12-28-2011, 11:14 AM

Awesome! Great job!!

p.s.- I dig your wood floor.

aldochina

12-28-2011, 11:35 AM

thanks guys! thanks also on the floors!! i installed, and sanded the floors myself! been doing floors off and on since i was a kid! if you like those, check out the master bedroom i installed!!
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ezmoney1979

12-28-2011, 12:03 PM