New Guns

[hancadam]

I got two new guns, nothing special. Basically building up my SHTF/Zombie arsenal. Ones a yugo SKS I bought offline last week. The shotgun is a Remington 870 Express I bought today. It came from our local gun shop. It has the 18 inch barrel and mag extension. Holds 7, 12 gauge. What have you guys been buying lately? We had a thread going a while back that was nothing but guns. Lets see them, we all like gun porn.

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[Trimotomike]

what did you pay for the sks? they had them at the gun show yesterday for $375 . That is my next gun .

[hancadam]

The SKS was 240, the shotgun was 375.

I have another guy online that has two Norinco SKS's for 500. Don't have much money left though.

[hancadam]

Also, bought this Keltec couple weeks ago for daily carry. I really like it. Its unnoticeable in my pocket. Its the 380 in Olive drab. Its more accurate than I thought it would be. The recoil is heavy though since its so light.

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/4150/kelg.jpg (http://img502.imageshack.us/i/kelg.jpg/)

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/1866/shooteru.jpg (http://img17.imageshack.us/i/shooteru.jpg/)

[69HemiGTX]

My battallion is doing a group buy from Danial Defense for limited edition M4s laser engraved with our battallion logo and OEF X and a few other things on them. I was going to buy one, but sadly, I need to step back and control myself for this deployment. Even with the discount they're giving us, my wife and I agree that saving money is the focus this time. Iraq was nice because we weren't paying for a house and new car, so we packed a good amount away. I was also going to buy another custom 10mm 1911, but decided against it, too. I can get that one anytime since it will be built the way I choose.

[big yeller]

not to big on the sks, tell me how it shoots when ya take it out. i like the 870 though.

[jays375]

A SKS will shoot pretty good. The one did I owned did. Sold it right before ammo got scarce and exspensive.It was more accurate than the Ruger Mini 14 I had.Last new gun I purchased was a 460 Smith&Wesson.Which is a awsome piece.I bought it due to half the cost to reload for.Plus you can shoot three different calibers.

[hancadam]

SKS's are really your best bargain for a semi auto carbine. I use to have three but sold them when people where paying 450+ for them right after the election. Nothing can compare to them cost wise.

[RIDE-RED 250r]

you got that right....you cant have more fun for less money IMHO. i have a nice Norinco Paratrooper with a thumb-through stock i bought about 12 years ago for $150! this was back when a standard carbine was going for about $80-$100. Mine is shorter than a standard SKS and has no bayonet, plus it takes AK style mags (which is very handy).

Big Yeller: while the SKS is not what i would call a long range tack driver, mine is every bit as accurate as any lever gun inside of 100 yards (other than that new .308 marlin obviously)...never really tried it beyond that as im usually heving fun spraying stuff at closer range. it NEVER jams, and you just cant get better bang for your buck than AK rounds...il never get rid of mine..

[celicagt23]

I have the same Yugo SKS and haven't even shot it yet. I bought it for $275 about 3 or 4 years ago. I am guessing it was an officers gun or not in service very long being that it is in "Excellent" condition. Currently it is still coated with cosmoline, and probably will be for a while. Really nice gun.

[jensenracing77]

i have always ben interested in guns but never really got into them much. i do have a 1022 and an 870 wing master. the only reason i got the 870 was because i was having trouble at my old house and decided that i may need to kill someone if they try to come into the house. i got the 1022 for the same reason but for my wife. she is scare of the 12 ga so i got her the 1022 and taught her how to shoot and got a 50 round drum. i told her it is not much firepower but just keep pulling the trigger till it is empty. she could get away with that, the police and courts around here are all for a mother protecting her kids at all cost.

does anyone know of a good brand for a 30 to 50 round clip for the 1022. i am not that happy with the one i have.

[plastikosmd]

nice!
since you asked our latest,
freedom arms 454 premier 7.5
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j5/plastikosmd/pix85300937.jpg
custom 50cal blackpowder, builder Fred Sinclair with redfield palma sights
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j5/plastikosmd/IMG_8978.jpg
40x 22-250 with 24x unertl scope, all from the late 60's
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j5/plastikosmd/40xandunertl5.jpg

I need to delete gunbroker from my favorites list..

[jays375]

How does that 40x shoot?Looks like a older one.I have a 700 varminter in 6mm with a 6.50x20 Leupold.The trigger has been worked.With 70
grain Serria varminter bullets it is a tack driver.

[edog]

nice!
since you asked our latest,
freedom arms 454 premier 7.5
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j5/plastikosmd/pix85300937.jpg


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[dickieg89]

I like zombiegun collections. Anybody here have the knoxx sidewinder 10 round/6 round setup on a shotgun?

[plastikosmd]

still workin on loads, first round of reloads were tumbling or melting..not really sure which. the holes in target were oval. grabbed some new sierras and best group was 0.216. that is with 40g of h380, trim brass to 1.910 and oal set for book max.
the 454 is a replacement for an old raging bull that i had. i havent gotten it yet..in the mail. i had an old blackhawk that hurt like hell...guess im delicate. the raging bull was much more comfortable but had to let it go. this is probably a better gun but i dont know how i will like it. i dont want to put rubber grips on it, prefer the look but with full factory loads it may be uncomfortable. at least i reload and can tame it but may get some shooting gloves..maybe something with gel

[jays375]

The gloves work well,really a must for big bore handguns when shooting from a bench.Freedom Arms pistols are a really nice and well built gun.I just remebered the last gun I bought was a Blackhawk in 357 Maximum,since you metioned Blackhawk.It was a deal in fact from a gunshow.It was nib and got it out the door with a box of shells for $600,was really happy with that.They normally go for close to $800 before tax and paperwork.Not really into semi-auto pistols or military stuff.I do own a Ruger MKII and a Schmidt-Rubin K31.The other thing I am into is Thompson Center contenders.Most of my reloads come from a Hornady book,really have had good luck with theirs.What grain bullets are you using?Another to do when setting up OAL length is very simple.Midway sells a simple set up for $20 which I use and like.Or the cheaper way out is easy.Just close the bolt and insert cleaning rod against it,mark it.Take the bolt out and insert a bullet into the barrel and hold it into the chamber with a pencil.Then insert the cleaning rod in again and mark it there is your OAL.

[big yeller]

yall kinda got me interested in the sks. i shot a chinese sks before and it suxed. i always been told dont waste your money on a sks but buy a ak. never like any of em so i got a m1-a1 by springfield armory and im planning on building a ar style rifle. but since the sks are cheap i may buy one to try it.

[plastikosmd]

thx jay, i gotta read that a couple more times to figure it out! looks like a good way. the bullets were 50gr spitzers, the ones that were exploding were 55 g bulk jacket bullets. they were open on tail with lead exposed. i dont know if they just didnt stabilize in the barrel or they were melting/wobbling. i had seated them on a closed bolt to find the lands then backed them off a bit. when those didnt work i then tried the new bullets set at factory OAL and at max OAL (still well short of my chamber) as called for in my book. by far the max were the best. i will work my way out and back from there. thx for advice on gloves, i think they will be a must for me on this one

[yammer hammer]

I would like to buy a 270 browning A bolt medalion, with a 3x12 bushnell buck horn scope, sweet trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro!

[jays375]

Look up in Midway for the Frankford Arsenal Cartridge Overall Length Gauge.That might help explain things a little better.The gloves I bought are the Uncle Mike's leather shooting gloves.If I remember they are a size bigger,they run small.Do a search on them for more info.Plus I softened them with Lexol leather condtioner.

[RIDE-RED 250r]

yall kinda got me interested in the sks. i shot a chinese sks before and it suxed. i always been told dont waste your money on a sks but buy a ak. never like any of em so i got a m1-a1 by springfield armory and im planning on building a ar style rifle. but since the sks are cheap i may buy one to try it.

it really depends on where it was built..for example, a Chinese Norinco is one of the best SKS's you can get, just like the Polytec AK47 is king of that hill..there are lesser makes of both, my brother bought some off-brand AK for about 350 bucks new and it was a POS. to the contrary, a nice Polytec AK will run you a grand or more and will be up to the standard AKs are known for. bottom line, you get what you pay for, for the most part....

[hancadam]

Chinese SKS's are good, but not the best. Yes they have a Chrome bore, but the wood is lesser qaulity, they are prone to slam firing, and most of the ones imported were built for civilian market. Meaning they have pinned trigger assemblies, pinned barrels, and stamped parts. Really any SKS is good though for what it is.

The Yugo's are generally better quality. They are beefier, have all machined parts, better bayonet, and very nice hard wood. But they do not have chrome bores. So you will need to clean it after shooting. Some people make a big deal about this but don't think twice about a Mosin which does not have a chrome bore either.

The best hands down from all the major producing countries is the Russian, but they are expensive and little hard to find. They have all the benifits of the Yugo plus a chrome bore. I have owned 3 Chinese SKS's, and now two Yugo's. My buddy has two Russians and they are gorgeous.

[RIDE-RED 250r]

ok, now im curious...what parts would be stamped? please dont take this as me being a smart-a##, im just trying to find out. my chinese norinco has nothing stamped and the wood is really nice...granted, i have refinished it clear because i didnt like the original color, but other than that, i think for what it is, its one of the better i have seen of SKS's. plus, i have put probably 3k rounds through it and it has never once slam fired. on the other hand..those cheap AK's i mentioned before were rittled with stamped parts...the top cover, reciever and a couple other parts i think. in fact, one i saw kept losing the top cover every time you would shoot it...my sks has all machined parts..top cover, slide and what not..here are a couple pics... tell me what you think..

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[hancadam]

Your entire trigger assembly is made out of stamped parts. Its no secret that the Chinese have pinned barrels and stamped parts. Some of the other countries where pinned barrels as well. You have a SKS-M, Sporter, Paratrooper, or D there, which was made for commercial sale. Which are ball basically the same just different stock configurations. These were built entirely for the American civilian market, not military use. But used the AK47 mags. The one you have is the best of the Chinese offering simply because it can us AK mags. The fixed mag on all the other SKS's is there biggest downfall.

Also, don't take having stamped parts as a terrible thing. Its mainly a byproduct of modern manufacturing compared to when some of the other countries produced SKS's. I believe Norinco made them up until 1994, then the import ban stopped the imports from China. Most of the other countries made them in the 50's to 70's. Like I said, you can't beat any SKS's per price and value with any other gun. Some people think the stamped parts or of lesser quality, and maybe. But i have never seen or read about a stamped part on a SKS breaking. Its kinda like the 870 Remington Shotgun I just bought. A lot of people make fun of the plastic trigger guard when most pistols are solid plastic now but aren't perceived as cheap. If its just as good and makes the cost for me cheaper, I am all or it.


Read this article for more info:
http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting/lastgreatsks/index.asp


Wiki:
*Chinese Type 56: Numerous minor tweaks, including lack of milling on the bolt carrier, partially or fully stamped (as opposed to milled) receivers, and differing types of thumb rest on the takedown lever. The Chinese continually revised the SKS manufacturing process, so variation can be seen even between two examples from the same factory. All of the Type 56 carbine rifles have been removed from military service, except a few being used for ceremonial purposes. Type 56 carbines with serial numbers below 9,000,000 have the Russian-style blade-type folding bayonet, while those 9,000,000 and higher have a "spike" type folding bayonet. Some early examples are known as "Sino-Soviet", meaning they were produced by China, but with cooperation from Russian "advisers" who helped regulate the factories and provided the design specifications.
* Chinese Type 63, 68, 73, 81, 84: Only a close relative to the SKS, these rifles shared features from several east-bloc rifles (SKS, AK-47, Dragunov). AK-47 style rotary bolt and detachable magazine. The Type 68 featured a stamped sheet-steel receiver. The 81 is an upgraded Type 68 with a three-round burst capability, some of which (Type 81-1) have a folding stock. The Type 84 returns to semi-auto fire only, is modified to accept AK-47 magazines, and has a shorter 16" paratrooper barrel.

* Chinese commercial production: Blonde wood stock instead of dark wood, spike bayonet instead of blade, bayonet retaining bolt replaced with a rivet. Sub-variants include the M21, "Cowboy's Companion", Hunter, Models D/M, Paratrooper, Sharpshooter, and Sporter. Model D rifles used military style stocks and had bayonet lugs (although some were imported minus bayonet, and a small few minus the lug in order to meet changing US import restrictions). Model M rifles had no bayonet lug and used either a thumbhole or Monte Carlo–style stock. Both model D and M used AK-47 magazines and as a result had no bolt hold open feature on the rifle.

[plastikosmd]

agreed, stamp is not a 'bad thing' my sig 220 is a west german 'stamped' gun. this gun is more desireable and better than the milled newer models

[hancadam]

Here are my two Chinese SKS's I no longer have.

One was a military type 56, the other a SKS-D that also took ak mags.

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/1212/sksk.jpg (http://img508.imageshack.us/i/sksk.jpg/)

[hancadam]

Its funny how things work out. Look what I just walked in the door with. I paid 275 for one, and traded the Keltec for the other. Didn't intend on getting rid of the Keltec it just worked out that way. I went to meet the fella online that said he had two SKS's, he said I could choose from the pair. Well we got to talking about carry permits and I showed him the Keltec. So we traded for the other. They are both Norinco's in pristine shape. One has never been shot since import, still covered in cosmoline. Thats gonna be fun. Also came with some ammo. So I basically got two SKS for 500. Not even a year ago during the election hysteria I sold a plain Norinco for 400 bucks. I have a problem.
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/7240/sks3.jpg (http://img62.imageshack.us/i/sks3.jpg/)
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/9538/sks2.jpg (http://img19.imageshack.us/i/sks2.jpg/)

[plastikosmd]

Looks like a deal. None for me for a while as I have eyes on a Barrett 98 in the future

[RIDE-RED 250r]

interesting info on the rifle i have.. thanks HANCADAM! :) my SKS has always served me well with no issues.. and yes, one of the things in the write-up you posted rings true about my rifle...with the ak mag, no bolt catch to hold the bolt open when empty...like i said, i paid $150 for it about 12 years ago..i think i did ok by todays standards :)

[hancadam]

No problem at all. I would definitely hang on to it. I regret selling mine. I have seen them sell for 600 bucks.