anyone think they can solve this?!

[Jeddy31]

my problem is my 1983 atc110 ran perfect for about 3 weeks since purchase. Then it started dirtying the plugs really black but if you changed it with a warmer used one or new one it works, but i have been using all the fouled plugs just rotating them and tossing in a brand new plug at times so i know its not killin them this has been happening for about a week. THEN! it wouldnt start!??! when i finally got it to start it would idle and aloooot more smoke was coming out and i couldnt touch the gas at all, when ever i gave it gas in neutral it would backfire and pop...then bog....then die. So we finally just kept letting it warm up and idle and i tried driving it in low gear. If i give it anymore than 15% throttle it bogs pops and dies...or if i put any load on it (say going up any hill) it bogs and dies as soon as i have to give it gas. SO did some research found out to clean the carb, so decided to do so. When we took the carb off i noticed a bit of gas in the tube leading to the air filter i didnt bother with it. I then cleaned the carb taking ever last bolt out EXCEPT the choke, i didnt play around with it. I scratched some markings and counted my turns of each screw, there is no holes in the float, there was some gunk, but nothing clogged, i put everything back together exactly. i reinstalled the carb, started maybe 6th pull, screwed with the idle and got it running GREAT it was running awesome then we let it stop for about 5 minutes, wouldnt start, changed the plug, it idled but wouldnt move again.....so went back to cleaning the carbs did everything i was suppose to do, and no luck again, drove around in low but not more then 15% throttle. so got tired of it then today i tried starting it and it wouldnt run. So i decided i was going to check out the "intake" situation and i noticed gas! so i took the tube off and found out that gas was spraying out below the choke (i think from the valve below the choke) it wasnt like a spray, more of a sputter. And that folks is why i joined lol does anyone have any ideas, i dont understand this :S lol thank you for checking it out guys, i appreciate any help possible.

[Thorpe]

Cleaning the carb may not be enough... Sounds like you need a rebuild kit for the carb and choke.... Float sounds out of adjustment. And is the choke, a small piston enrichment style of choke?

[Jeddy31]

well i know that all my gaskets on the carb and the filter in the pump are in good condition, i did notice when ever i gave it gas the spring on the choke(where you open and close the choke) would....flutter?....i guess you could say. The lever it self wouldnt move when i did that just the little spring and the little metal piece on it.

[Vealmonkey]

If you look down the intake side of the carb, there should be a small metal "window" and that will flutter back and forth, that is normal. Then you should have your choke lever and that should move a larger metal "door" that also has that window as part of it. What you want to check for besides your carb is wether or not your airfilter is dirty. If the filter is dirty, then you will have more fuel than air than you normally should have. Also a carb rebuild kit will have new fresh gaskets for the carb. Even though all your gaskets may look ok, they are possibly as old as the trike and simply all squished down and dried up and can let air in sports you don't want air. When you had your carb apart you should have checked you idle jet and main jet to make sure they aren't clogged. Not only do you want the middle of the jets not clogged up which is easy to see, but you don't want the little holes on the sides of the jets clogged up either and they are way harder to tell that they are not clogged up. Also you want to check where the "e" clip is on your needle that goes down into your main jet. It should be in the middle of the 5 rings. If it is in one of the lower 2 rings, it is probably letting in too much fuel too soon. You also need to make sure you have good gaskets in between the carb and the intake to the head and between the intake to the head and the head. In between the intake to the head and the head, there should be an plastic insulator as well as an intake gasket. The insulator is there so the intake doesn't get to hot from being in contact with the head. On the back of the carb, there should be a place for a rubbe o-ring, that should be in place. I make sure that I run the o-ring and 3 gaskets between all the mounting points where there could be an air leak. It's a little overkill, but it beats banging your head over a small air leak which may make your trike run all kinds of crazy. Also on your idle needle and your fuel and air needle, there should be small o-rings, if not, that could be a problem. A carb kit will have all the o-rings that you should need, the intake gaskets will have to come from a engine gasket kit or you will have to buy some gasket material at the local auto parts store and you can make them your self with a marker and a sharp knife if you take your time. You also could have valve adjustment or timing issues but one step at a time.

[rickybudz]

That (sputtering gas)? Sounds like a simple vacuum leak! Also, old gaskets tend to decorate, then gas hits them again after drying and breaks little particles away, causing clogged jets! Just a couple of things that were my problems, with the same issues!

[Thorpe]

That (sputtering gas)? Sounds like a simple vacuum leak! Also, old gaskets tend to decorate, then gas hits them again after drying and breaks little particles away, causing clogged jets! Just a couple of things that were my problems, with the same issues!

I think Ricky means deteriorate, not decorate... No balloons and streamers.... ;)

[harryredtrike]

id like to see your plugs.wet and black?dry and black?what color was the smoke?if the plugs are dry and black you have carb issues.

[Jeddy31]

Hey thanks alot guys, appreciate the help. I checked those gaskets and from the cylinder to the carb. nothing at all is damaged they actually look quite new, i dont know when they were replaced because i never asked the guy i bought it off of lol but the throttle needle still has its o-ring, its all good. I cleaned every hole in the jets thoroughly. As for the plugs, wet black, sometimes not wet. the smoke is white. I just recently tried seeing if it was because it wasnt getting enough gas so i sprayed some gas into the cylinder and put the plug back in, started no problem idle till the gas burnt out and thats it....FML lol so is there anything i can try before i get the carb kit?...

[MTS]

Did you get some snow/water in the tank? from filling up...or an iced up air filter....? a little bit of water is all it takes....Check the oil for it too....

[Jeddy31]

no water or ice any where to be seen.... i cant figure this trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro out lol im trying to get it going as fast as i can cuz i wanna trade it for a 440 motoski ultrasonic. But besides that, ive noticed the choke when idling does little or nothing to the bike, its almost like the choke doesnt work at all. Also on my choke is there suppose to be a cap on the choke lever? i can see the spring and little metal stuff. im gonna take pics of the carb and post them apart and intact, again thanx guys

[Jeddy31]

i dont know what the screw on the left bottom side of the carb does, heres some pics of it, also i just made a vid, ill try and put it on youtube and get the link for you guys. thanx

[riverrat]

Is the float stuck? Or maybe it is not sealing properly, and you need a new float and needle.

[Jeddy31]

Well ill check that all out, heres a video, maybe the sound of the machine may help i dunno anymore, im gonna kill myself soon lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Id4TI4Fa0U

[riverrat]

Dude, it's getting flooded. The float is stuck, and you will have to rebuild the carb. If the needle doesn't seat, the one attached to the float, gas will pour in to the carb and intake, giving you a black plug, and flooding it to the point that it won't start.

Whenever your bike doesn't run, you check for three things immediately:
1: spark
2: fuel
3: compression

Did you do a compression check?

[Jeddy31]

if it is flooded, how come when i spray gas into the cylinder head it starts it :confused: wouldnt if it was flooded that make it even more flooded and for sure not start lol and also when i took the carb apart and put the float back together the float would EASILY move up and do, it seemed like it had good movement, what could cause it to get stuck. also i am doing a rebuild just waiting for the parts and i will do a compression test today. thanx alot again!!!

[riverrat]

It's not the float that might be your problem, it might be the needle not seating correctly, and letting gas in.
Have you tried starting it with the choke off, and the throttle wide open? Don't choke it if it is getting too much fuel, you will just soke the plug, and then it won't start. My 110 used to not start with a wet plug at all.
Double check all the passages in the carb, and clean them with gum out, and high pressure air, and even a thin wire. Todays fuel is terrible with the ethanol, and clogs the passages.

How are you sparying gas into the cylinder head?

[rickybudz]

Your NOT getting gas, check your float adjustment or pilot setting. You may want to stop holding that throttle open as much also. I usally hit my throttle a 1/4 real quick before I start my bike. No more! Have you set your pilot to the right setting?

[riverrat]

Your NOT getting gas, check your float adjustment or pilot setting. You may want to stop holding that throttle open as much also. I usally hit my throttle a 1/4 real quick before I start my bike. No more! Have you set your pilot to the right setting?

How can you say that? His intake has a puddle of gas in it, and when it was running, the plug was all black, which means rich/ i.e. too much gas.

Jeddy31, when you pull the plug out, is it wet?

[Thorpe]

Have you gotten your screws set back to spec? I believe that screw toward the front of the machine is your pilot... Wont run for squat with that out to lunch...

[rickybudz]

How can you say that? His intake has a puddle of gas in it, and when it was running, the plug was all black, which means rich/ i.e. too much gas.

Jeddy31, when you pull the plug out, is it wet?

Did not see the wet plug part, my bad. I was wondering about the plug after the fact, I should of read everything I guess!

[riverrat]

Na, he didn't say he had a wet plug, I was asking. But he did say that the plug kept getting carboned up, and that there was gas in the intake. To me, that means he's getting too much gas. I could also swear I hear it flooded in his youtube video.
IT is confusing when he said that he puts gas in the head, and it starts, so I don't know. I was asking if the carb was on when he did that, or if he just poured it in the spark plug hole.
Where is he? He must have fixed it, and is riding by now. LOL

[Jeddy31]

sorry guys! I had it going again!!!!!!!! i cleaned the carb AGAIN!!!!!!! with a fine wire and i used an air compressor after that....I poured gas into the cylinder head from the spark plug hole and it started, then i screwed with the idle screw and got it idling nice...it smoked a really white smoke, like alot, ill make a video of it again when its running...i can drive it with about...maybe 10% throttle in low gear, the choke (when idling) has no effect on the engine at all...when ever im driving it and give it full throttle it bogs and pops, even when im driving it at a low speed, its still popping.....the plugs ARE wet, but not soaked or anything, wet/black. after i started it with the gas in the cylinder, i could shut it off and start it no problem...but then as more riding went into the bike (for maybe 15 minutes) it got harder/more pulls to start and now it wont start again, i have lots of working sparkplugs so i keep alternating between the....i dont give it any throttle while pulling i tap the gas to about 15% throttle before pulling. full throttle pull does nothing, choke on pull does nothing. im thinkin it might be that pilot screw??? how many turns out should that be? i got my idle at about 1.5 turns out and that works good for me. Also does it matter how much your throttle cap is screwed down?? thanks alot guys, ill keep trying, ill get a video of it running and driving so you can see how crappy it is lol APPRECIATE THE HELP THANKS GUYS!!!!

[riverrat]

You have good gas in the tank?

[Jeddy31]

yes sir, we did make the mistake of not cleaning out the old gas when we bought it but we burnt through that and filled it, ran outta that, then filled it again and now i have the problem. i just tried starting it again with no gas sprayed in the cylinder and it wouldnt go, then i sprayed gas, and STILL wouldnt go, i repeated the process with 3 different plugs...and i am getting good spark, i checked....i got shocked good 2 lol i was trying to air out the cylinder and forgot to let go of the plug lol but besides that i might just bring it to the local honda shop here....I'm new to three wheelers and its probably something terribly simple, the only thing i can think of is that darn pilot screw.....

[riverrat]

If you didnt drain the gas completely, then it is possible that there is water in there which you suck out by switching to reserve. Wtaer sits on the bottom.

[Thorpe]

the plugs ARE wet, but not soaked or anything, wet/black. after i started it with the gas in the cylinder, i could shut it off and start it no problem...but then as more riding went into the bike (for maybe 15 minutes) it got harder/more pulls to start and now it wont start again, i have lots of working sparkplugs so i keep alternating between them....

You keep going back to the same plugs???? Once its fouled or partially fouled, throw it away and start with a new one... I still think you need to REBUILD your carb, and not just clean it out... What part are you talking about when you say throttle cap?

[Jeddy31]

no i have used new plugs, same thing.....but the cap ontop of your carb where your throttle needle goes down...does that need to be screwed on half way full or? i have it at full right now...

[Jeddy31]

If you didnt drain the gas completely, then it is possible that there is water in there which you suck out by switching to reserve. Wtaer sits on the bottom.

When i first check out the carb i drained all the gas in order to get at the carb.

[1985BigRed250ES]

ok throttle cap on top of carb tighten until snug. the screw on the lower side of the carb under the gas valve is your air/fuel mixture screw. set it at I think 3 turns out. the throttle needle should be on the middle clip. with a rebuild kit and the carb set to the settings I just gave you, it should run well enough to ride it

[Jeddy31]

the throttle needle should be on the middle clip.

what do u mean?...what clip? where/how to adjust? lol

[1985BigRed250ES]

the "clip" that I referred to is the main throttle needle that slides up and down in the carb. it has I think 5 "clips" put it in the center "clip". the screw that you asked about in one of your posts that is on the lower left corner of the carb under the fuel valve is the air/fuel mixture screw. turn it all the way in until it gets snug, then back it out, counting three turns then that should get you in the ball park to get it running so you can fine tune the carb

[CRAZY70MAN]

you may need a manual, it will help bunches. There are links on forum to download. Monroemike has a lot of info.....PM him. The clip he is referring to is on your needle which sits in center of slide which is under the cap and spring on top of carb. Unscrew cap and pull out straight up as to not bend needle. Push slide up from bottom against spring and slide cable out of slide. Inside slide, there is a retaining clip shaped like a W. Push needle out from bottom and careful to not lose spring, The needle has several slots on it with a c-clip to adjust. Should be on the middle groove as he said. Moving the clip toward the needle top gives you less fuel and moving clip down will give you more flow. Good luck.

[Jeddy31]

I now have a manual and still waiting on the carb kit. ill let you guys know tho! thanx guys!

[riverrat]

Have you ever noticed fuel coming out of the overflow tube?