Transporting an ATC across the boarder into Canada?

[Old Moss Back]

I have had several ATC's in my life and have sold 4 of them in the past 5 years to individuals in Canada. I recently sold my 350X to pay for some things and the buyer is having trouble setting up shipping or even coming across the boarder to pick it up. His customs broker indicated to him that 3 wheelers are impermissible to cross the boarder and he would have to send it back. Again, in past I have had 5 others pick thier ATC's up and take them back? Anyone know anything about this? Thanks

[Grizzlypeg]

Which province? I'm from Manitoba, and guys here are saying they brought whole trikes back from the US. No problem licencing them here either.

[taz]

i'm from New Brunswick and the only way that you could bring one acrossed the boarder here is to cut the frame in 2 to 3 peaces and bring it acrossed the boarder into the country well in this province anways is as parts

[code200k]

talk to kintore about this he should have all the info you need

[86 350x]

if you have a title in your name it shouldn't be a problem

[unclejemima]

good thread. I've always wondered this myself. I'm sure someone on here must know for sure...especially if anyone has actually done it themself's

[Dirtcrasher]

I've read it here years ago; Guys had to take them apart to cross tho border PERIOD! Seems like the boarder wants no liability, otherwise I can't see what the deal may be??

[ceaserthethird]

Last year I Sold my ( ATC 70 ) to a Buyer in Canada and packed it on a Pallet, He had it shipped to Canada No Problems !

I'll see if i can get the Shipping Companys Info.

[jeswinehart]

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I have a board member buddy coming over to pick up a load of stuff he has bought and among other things are 2 rollers and a frame.
He asked if i could title them into my name and then "sell" them to him so to be much much more easier passage back into Canada.
From my understanding, they will look at the Michigan title that will be sign'd off of, bill of sale and check serial # and say welcome back home ~ Ehh.
Piece of cake tittling on my end. 11 dollars + sales tax on the "bill of sale". 24 hour vin # check and you get a temp title and in my case just under 3 weeks had a clear Michigan title to 2 rollers and a frame.
For future reference, titled machines are worth more too IMO.

Originally Posted by Old Moss Back
What if I do not have a title for the machine. Never had one. Will a bill of sale be enough?
You take your bill of sale (and serial#) in to the secretary of state and they run a check on the serial #.
You will need to go back the next day to pick up the temporary tittle.
It is just that simple.
john

[tapper190]

I brought my '86 350x over at the blue Water bridge in Sarnia with no problems at all. I had the title and a bill of sale (which must have the vin#, owners name and info. ). I brought over a 200x roller at the same location without a title once. I had to fill out a form and sign it saying that it was for salvage only and would never be plated here in Canada. It also cost me an extra $70. I've brought over two frames from the New York boarder ( Niagra Falls) with no titles at all and they let me threw with no papers. The one time the customs officer was more interested in my high school than anything else. (I've been out for 17 years at that time :rolleyes:). In a nut shell, coming back with no titles is a gamble, but with titles it is a piece of cake. I've never shipped frames so I have no info. on that. I'm priety much done getting parts shipped to me from the states, I don't care for all the extra taxes and handleing fees. It doesn't make it worth while. It great to have awesome friends in the United States that don't mind recieving parts. It also allows me to visit them and attend more events, ;)
Tapper

[tapper190]

Here is a PM from a fellow board memeber stating what you have to do with and without a title.

"If you get a machine from the states the best thing you could get would be a title or signed "certificate of origin". With that and a bill of sale you go into customs and tell them you are bringing an ATV into Canada, they will fill out a customs clearance form called a Vehicle import form- form 1 and you will have to pay the GST on the sale price. Done at the border . Take the bill of sale, title or CoO, customs clearance all to the MTO and they will issue an Ontario Ownership to you after paying the PST .
The problem arises if there is no title for the machine. On Joe's Banshee he did not have the title ,( The existing US owner can easily get a title search and title for it but it takes some time and footwork). The other option if you know the title is clear (ie no loans or stolen) and this is what we did with the Banshee. A letter from the Secretary of State office in Mi stating that in 1987 when the machine was purchased the state of Mi did not require the vehicle to be registered with the state and therfore does not have a title or ownership. This had to faxed directly from the SoS office to the MTO office you are dealing with so they know it is not made up. Not to hard but a little more of a hassle.
This only applies to machines over 15 yrs old other wise you need to go thru the RIV program
And no mater what the border guard says Three wheelers OVER 15yrs OLD are permited into the country."

Tapper

[Taiser]

No problem getting a new plate on my 85 big red here last year (Ontario), so I doubt a complete bike would be a problem bringing across the border. I built my 250r completely off e-bay parts from the states. Picked them all up over a year's time at a shipping company just accross the bridge in the US, no problems either. Even the frame, which had no title was no problem. Customs just put it down as "motorcylce parts" for duty/taxes and that was it. I wouldn't deal with a broker anyways, they're pricing is a rip!

[Kintore]

Yep, All I run is a Y38 form with my name on it and the VIN of my R.

Been over, god knows 40+ times over the last few years. NEVER had a issue.

only once, my trike was dirty and they turned me around. Environmental hazard to canada I was told! Needless to say, white boy at 18, downtown detroit at 9pm looking for a carwash was NOT fun!

[Taiser]

only once, my trike was dirty and they turned me around. Environmental hazard to canada I was told!

Yeah same here, but was looking at a CUT tractor. Was told it had to be SPOTLESS to bring a used one across!

[Woodsrider]

I brought a 200X roller from N.Y. into Quebec with no paperwork...it was a bit of a hassle but in the end I just had to sign papers declaring that I had no intention of trying to register the frame here. If I had had the proper paperwork, it would have been easy to cross the border AND register here.
Part of the problem seems to be that some of the customs officers are not used to dealing with this situation...so if you are unfortunate enough to get someone that is not familiar with the rules and who just really does NOT feel like dealing with you at that moment....you're going to have a headache. On the other hand, you could luck out and get a real good guy who knows his stuff and is in a good mood....you'll get through with all the proper paperwork in 10 or 20 minutes. There is an element of luck involved when crossing the border....most of it depends on the mood of the customs officer...sad but true.....and I don't know if there are still "Homeland Security" agents still at the border crossings, but God help you if you are forced to deal with one of them(but that's just entering the States)....sorry....don't mean to start an off topic rant about border crossings...lol.

[RoscoW]

Tapper I think I know that member:naughty::naughty:

As mentioned by Tapper, any and all trikes can be imported into Canada. RIV (registrar of Imported Vehicles, http://www.riv.ca/ImportingAVehicle.aspx) states in section 9 , restricted use motorcycles, that any three wheeled ATV "LESS" than 15 yrs old is not allowed. As we all know, there have been no three wheelers made in the last 20 years so by default all the machines we are talking about are permissible. Sort of a typical Government double speak thing.
When I brought the three R's back I had a border guy say I couldn't bring them in, I asked him to re-read the RIV list and break it down and he did agree that machines over 15 yrs old are allowed in.

Ross..