just a little fun at the expense of Kasey/250Rmad and MR ATC

[MR ATC]

Since Kasey and I are two stuborn old men who refuse to let the subject Die, lets have a little poll. I say if the poll favors Kasey i'll never speak on the subject again, IF Kasey agree's to the same.

i am sticking to the basic's and avoiding the off topic remarks

a member (Basket) asks about installing a CR 500 motor in a ATC 250R chassie.

Kasey explains his method and his experiance with his machine

MR ATC post a thread explaining that while Kasey's frame works and has had no problems it is not the best way to do the conversion. MR ATC also provides an alternate way to do the install Based on his experiance building them.

Kasey takes this as an insult to his design and fires off at MR ATC saying he has no proof of this.

MR ATC explains that although Kasey has had no problems with this if he ( MR ATC) were to ride the ATC he could probably brake the frame within an hour of hard MX use. He ( MR ATC ) said this knowing that it is indeed possible because he has broken stock frames that still have the brace in question

Kasey can't beleive it is possible to do so because it has not happened to him

MR ATC post a picture of a stock 250R frame damaged in the very same area in question.

Kasey still can't believe it is possable. it's good for him so it must be good for EVERY one else.

MR ATC NEVER said Kasey's frame was not good for him ( Kasey). MR ATC said HE ( MR ATC ) could brake the frame.

MR ATC ask's Kasey what does he (Kasey) think would have happened if his (Kasey) frame sustained the same kind of impact as MR ATC's 250R frame has sustained.

Kasey has yet to answer the question and dances around the question.

Basket list his 250R/500 frame on EBAY. it is built like Kasey's Frame.
it sells for a WHOPPING $9.98.

[MR ATC]

this is Kasey's method

[MR ATC]

that is supposed to handle this kind of impact

[Ace Mon]

Judging on the physical evidence ( The Pics) , and the lack of response from Kasey . My $ is on Mr. ATC . Besides I'm no newbie and the guys knowlege dwarfs mine .

[Jeb]

Like Ace, I'm no spring chicken. :-D
But I had no idea that the "easy" CR500 conversion meant mash a frame tube and cut braces away! If I bought a CR500 conversion frame and it showed up like that, I'd be pissed. I think I'd rather put a 250R swingarm and front end on a CR500 MX frame. :shock:

No matter how much of an insufferable SOB he may be, I have to vote Bill based on the evidence too. :-D

[KASEY]

Here is a pict of my frame after 2 years. don't compare mine to baskets hatchet job ,,,, notice skid plate is still intact,,, since there is NO DAMAGE under it i don't think i am at risk....... BUT i supose if i repetedly slammed it to the ground and smashed it all to hell it might be a problem ,,, but i don't ride like that so there is no problem,,,, http://www.3wheeler.org/vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=61634

[MR ATC]

Here is a pict of my frame after 2 years. don't compare mine to baskets hatchet job ,,,, BUT i supose if i repetedly slammed it to the ground and smashed it all to hell it might be a problem ,,, but i don't ride like that so there is no problem,,,,

Basket followed YOUR advice.

i NEVER said the way YOU ride it was the issue

i said it is POSSIBLE for frame failure and that I could brake it.

this is your problem Kasey you keep thinking it is about you and your riding when it is not.

you still have failed to answer my question :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[86250RZ]

Why is it that on almost every poll I have no box to check to make my vote and no I'm not trying to vote twice I click on poll and there is no way for me to vote. And Im W/ Mr. ATC on this one if you have cut out a brace on a 250R and smash the frame and then install an engine thats twice the CC's I would not ride that machine. Making a frame weaker and installing a higher horsepower motor makes no sence to me, just seems like the easy and cheaper way to go not the safest and when it comes to trikes you guys we all need to put safety first. Just my 2 cents and 27 years of trike riding experiance talking.

P.S. To me thats sort of like removing the air bag (after its deployed on you) from a car because it cost $600.00 to replace and selling it to the next guy and not informing him and he dies in a accedent because of there being no air bag then you would have to live with that the rest of your life. We may think we will hold on to our trikes forever but sooner or later Im sure someone else will be riding these trikes.

[ATC crazy]

I'm with Kasey somewhat on this one. If he has been riding it that long without failure in the INTENDED CONDITIONS meant for it....then I say it is strong enough. If the trike was MXed, or jumped extremely, then I say its not the best design.

[MR ATC]

I'm with Kasey somewhat on this one. If he has been riding it that long without failure in the INTENDED CONDITIONS meant for it....then I say it is strong enough. If the trike was MXed, or jumped extremely, then I say its not the best design.

then you miss the point and need to re-read. i never said it was wrong for him or his conditions. it was and always has been about MX type conditions. i have already conceded for sand conditions with little jumps it would probably be ok. the debate was what would happen if the frame was taken out of the sandbox.

[Dads]

I think I would look more at changing the eng. Trajectory with the mounts than flattening the frame. Flattening a round tube removes it’s tinsel strength. The cross member is for roll over support. Will not help on hard impact. and Of course you can brake any frame if you try.

[MR ATC]

The cross member is for roll over support. Will not help on hard impact.


:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: roll over support :?: :?: :?: were did that come from :?: :?: :?:

the supports do severall things

they brace and back up the main rails

they stiffen the frame to reduce frame flex

they prevent the main cross member ( that the rear shock linkage mounts to and vertical and horizontal mai rails mount to ) from twisting

[tecatecrazy]

I usually try to stay away from knocking others but, if that was my work I would not be posting it on the internet for others to see. :oops:

[Troll 2]

I think kasey's 500cc 2-stroke trike is awsome.Here are some pic's.

A Moto-X Trike ?................hehehe
http://hometown.aol.com/klm91/images/new%20shoes.jpg

Say traction !!
http://hometown.aol.com/klm91/images/newshoes3.jpg

How about a 75mph wheelie? Is that safe .......Hmmmmm
http://www.3wheeler.org/vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=64270

A little jump;

http://www.3wheeler.org/vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=64273

Look's like there's three of his trikes missing in this pic;
http://www.3wheeler.org/vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=64420

.................................................. ...........................................Troll :rolleyes:

[monoxide]

kasey, i really like your bike (and yours too MR atc) but man, that second pic. from the bottom of you jumping it, it looks like a mutha' trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro' bus :D nice ride though.

[MR ATC]

lets see it get this kinda AIR.

troll off subject but that is NO 75mph wheely :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[KASEY]

you crack me up!!!!!! my picts were 3 weeks ago now i am 47 years old,,, and don't jump as far as i use to ,,,,,, your picts are when you were like under 20,,,,, i am sure that if my mom kept picts when i was i kid i know i could find some bigger air picts ,,,,,, but since you have nothing to ride i guess we have to put up with 17 YEAR OLD PICTURES!!!!

OH wait !!! i think i have one from like 1984 :D :D :D :D i think i would call this showing off on a table top,,,,,,,,,, and like yours VERY vintage,,,,,,

[MR ATC]

you crack me up i don't see much differance in the amount of air between the two pics of you.

i'm 35 and i jump farther now then i did at 18.

again your dancing around JUST ANSWER MY QUESTION :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

oh and my jump picture has something else relevent to this discusion...it is the same jump that wrecked my frame

[Darius1502]

As long as we are not talking about Suzuki LT500's or the YZ400F...

I would go with Mr. ATC on this one. How did Casey fit that CR500 motor in the 250R frame? I hope he did not mash the frame like that picture!

[MR ATC]

As long as we are not talking about Suzuki LT500's or the YZ400F...

I would go with Mr. ATC on this one.

:?: :?: :?: i was right about the LT/RM 500 motor