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Pafrig
07-08-2010, 12:10 AM
Ok, so im taking a small engines class at a vocational school, and were making theese lame kit go carts as a final project. the teacher handed out engines, the most powerfull being a 4.5hp briggs. For some reason, he gave me the project from hell, (a gocart which a previous student had tried to extend, fail misirably, then lost half the peices.). in the last few days ive repaired the frame, found peices, and got it back together. then the teach gave me a 3 hp flathead briggs with an almost dead clutch. 1/4 mile in about 5 miniutes, know what i mean? after reciving quite the load of from the other people in my class about my snailcart, i went outside looking for a replacement engine. what i found (and the teacher said i could use) was a REAAALLLY OLD snowmachine engine.. Its a Hirth 191R4e 300cc with a snowmobile clutch. the thing is air tight, has a cable for a pullcord, awsome compression, good spark, carb is clean. Brought it home tonight to get it running. ran into a few problems with fuel not pumping...

the first thing i did was wetted the old gaskets inside the carb, (specifically the one way flappers) and that kind of helped. The engine would now suck fuel up the intake hose, but only when choked. This was the first confusing thing.

after pulling it over i got a few pops, then a few more, followed by a few more. but nothing consistent. the plug was wet every time i took it out. i tried leaning down the mixture, tried a bunch of adjustments, ran best when gas was poured into plug hole. i figured that it was a problem with the carb. so i took the airfilter off and pulled it over for the hell of it, and air came back out the carb.........

obiously somethign was wrong, right? I just figured that the reeds werent functioning properly. guess what? NO REEDS.Not even a place where any reeds could possibly fit. wtf? I asked my dad who spun wrench for 35 years, and he said he had only seen one 2 stroke (an old detroit diesel) that had no reeds, but he didnt understand how it worked. Basicly, im really confused. How is this supposed to work?

zoomerman
07-08-2010, 04:49 PM
most likely it could be the crankshaft seals

MTS
07-09-2010, 05:54 PM
The old piston port motors Blow back a bit of fuel, nothing to be worried about unless its really excessive might be a broken skirt. Sounds more like a fouled plug or a Dried out Seal in the carburetor or the intake track, the air-filter isn't really necessary when there in the sleds...But if its on a go-kart i would suggest you run it, it will Mess with the carb adjustments...Might not get it to run right with it on,,,i would suggest a Air-box of sorts with some Fine mesh or panty hose to keep the large particles of dirt out. Your going to need some sort of Drive shaft and a secondary clutch to get it moving right...not sure what you have in mind, Anyways Good luck.

cooter69
09-15-2010, 12:37 AM
What the heck are you talking about you've never seen a 2 stroke with no reeds? They're everywhere. Almost every 2 stroke sled until the 80's and 90's had no reeds.

Xfile
11-03-2010, 06:46 AM
There is also a short vacuum line that runs from the carburetor to the crankcase to provide a vacuum pulse to operate the fuel pump. (the flappers you speak of are part of the pump as well as the diaphragm that is sandwiched between the bottom of the carburetor and the plates that make up the fuel pump. If you have bad crank seals, there will not be enough of a vacuum pulse to operate the fuel pump properly. I assume the carburetor is a Tillotson HR.... diaphragm kits are still easily available for these and are only about $10. Replacing those is where I would start and also make sure the vacuum line to the crank case is not kinked or leaking.