Call me an A-Hole, whatever.

[Dirtcrasher]

I just cannot hold anyone's hand anymore.

There are FREE DOWNLOADS all over the net.

If you wanna know how to get something apart, the torque or fluid capacity, PM someone else.

I'm shutting mine down.

If you guys wanna play games with 25yo machines I love, I'm done helping.

[obijuan]

Ahole:beer


Hoosier Daddy


srsly though, we need a "read the damn manual" smiley.
im not here alot, but its half the front page of searchable questions.
DC has this stuff down, but theres no reason you cant look for it just like he does.

[Dirtcrasher]

I don't mind sharing and helping but the recent crap I've got emailed or PM'd to me is crap. I'll still gusset frames and fix 350X heads but forget the rest, go see your local shop...............

Guess I/'ll never reach 10K posts, boo hoo..............

[Thorpe]

Its a shame DC... You will be missed. I appreciate all the help in insight you have given me.

[factoryX]

this is a true shame.

[NINJA]

There's a reason I don't answer my phone. Unless Steve, Cade, Andy, or Harry calls, that is. I feel your frustration and exasperation man, we now have a sign at work on the service desk that says, "Ask a mechanic is now $5.00 per minute." The worst is the a-holes that disregard the "Employees Only!" sign and walk into my shop to ask me how to fix their chit. I tell em to GTFO! It's not like they're going to bring us work anyway. Another thing that gets me revved up is when somebody tells me they can get the parts they need off eBay for half the price. I always reply the same, go buy it then, but when you bring it in and I figure out it's worn out or broken, you're getting charged for that wasted time.
Sorry for the tribulations you've had to endure lately.

[tanks350x]

you're joking right?. Just don't help these idiots with their stupid questions...

[SWIGIN]

I don't mind sharing and helping but the recent crap I've got emailed or PM'd to me is crap. I'll still gusset frames and fix 350X heads but forget the rest, go see your local shop...............

Guess I/'ll never reach 10K posts, boo hoo..............


I know right, how did we ever learn back in the day before computers..........WE CALLED A SHOP OR JUST LEARNED THE HARD WAY.

Kids today don't learn nearly as much these days IMO because anything they need to know is just handed to them.

[harryredtrike]

just take a break dc.i prescribe a mandatory vacation.i have booked a flight on northwest flight 792 out of boston to glorious hawaii.you will be there for 7 days and 6 nights.a rental car is included.

[SYKO]

someone has sand in his vagina! good luck with all that DC your still allright.

[Dirtcrasher]

Sorry guys, it's just got way out of hand lately.

How many new members do we have in the last year? They all want easy fast answers to the problems WE had to figure out without the internet. Not ALL of them but a large percentage.

There are some serious - well above me - talented guys on this forum, those were the fun times. Swapping ideas/thoughts/sharing etc.

Now we may as well call it "3Wheeler Ask any question without even looking at it and get an answer World". I think we've become the Google of trikes.

Worse thing I ever did was put up my email; If you can't look up a part number but your 10X better than me on a computer, we have a problem..............

I never get a picture, never get a diagram, just questions that don't make me a dime. I'M TRYING TO MAKE MONEY GUYS!! SAVE MY HOUSE GUYS!!

In time as trikes phase out, the diehards will remain and the rest will ride wheelbarrows of whatever turns them on, please don't ask me for the part number of front wheel........

[whyzee]

DC !! hang in there! , i am guilty of asking stupid questions myself, my latest question is " what do you mean they won't modify my mortgage" ?

[fabiodriven]

Nobody wants to say it, but the amount of newbs on this site is insane lately. That's who I blame. It's not necessarily that they're asking stupid questions, it's just that they're going through things we did 15 or 20 years ago and it's only now new to them. Like has been said, when we had these problems we just tackled them. There wasn't much more you could do back in the day aside from getting a friend with more experience than yourself to come by and take a peek at it. These days people don't even take the time to think. They just jump on the computer and ask away. I've been ignoring a lot of the newbs, but it's getting to the point where they're the majority of those who post. It appears to me that a lot of these people shouldn't even be allowed to hold a wrench. I know what's coming next, "We all had to start somewhere", blah blah blah... So do like I did- go get yourself some free crap, lawn tractors, dirtbikes, whatever, and go dick around with them until you figure out how to spin a wrench. If you don't understand the basic principles of the four stroke engine, there is no sense in starting a post about "Why is my 200S smoking?" because the original poster isn't going to know how to fix it anyways. Then people ask for pics of these machines and once you see what the machine looks like it becomes quite obvious that the they have a lot more to worry about than whatever the one thing is they're asking anyways.

Just do like I do DC, ignore all these newbie bozos. We're all doing it. Just look at the post counts on most of the threads in trikesylvania. There are threads started by "Jimmy1234" or whatever the f**k that have been up for three days with 15 views and 2 replies, then there are threads started by known members on here that get two or three pages of replies in a matter of hours.
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd143/SJMThomas/noobs.jpg

[Mosh]

Everyone gets to "this point" on an internet forum. Especially one that they have been on for a number of years trying to help out.
It gets frustrating trying to lead the horse to water, just to have them not drink.
I can usually sniff em out, therefor I wont reply..And questions that have been answered 1000's of times.......Use the search feature!

I dont know what cranks me more.
Questions that have could have been answered with a search.
Someone who wont listen.
Or someone that never reports back the fix.

I think the biggest nerve wrecker to me, is the Postwhores...

Post count of 3000 in less than 2 years and 90 percent of the replies are "Cool" "Nice trike Dude"

"The ever constant 10 smiley reply"
Some folks need a post count reset!

And classified pimps. They really stain my panties!:rolleyes:

[jrwebb8324]

Sorry to hear that DC. Hope that the stupidity of a few poeple is not going to ruin this site for all of us (newbs) as you guys call us. I have only been on hear a few months and have learned a lot just by reading posts that others have put up. I am by no means new to 3 wheelers, but there is always more to learn.

[brapp]

just tell them flat out look there is a search bar for a reason use it .

[sdm111]

Wow so thats what the 1000 and up posters elite club thinks about us noobs. I must have misunderstood the Trikesylvania ( pictures, technical questions, or anything else related to your 3 wheeler ) forum section. My bad. Sorry we didn't come out the womb with all the knowledge about trikes yall have. That's cool I for one am out. Later...................................

[motorhead]

DC, I don't have a clue what happened or who it was with, I'm new here.

I was just reading your post; and honestly I get that feeling from time to time. I usually just chill out for a while and it goes away.

[harryredtrike]

Wow so thats what the 1000 and up posters elite club thinks about us noobs. I must have misunderstood the Trikesylvania ( pictures, technical questions, or anything else related to your 3 wheeler ) forum section. My bad. Sorry we didn't come out the womb with all the knowledge about trikes yall have. That's cool I for one am out. Later...................................

come on dude,you have to know where he is coming from.i have seen guys come in here trying to get advice on how to rebuild an engine with no knowledge of motors, no tools,no ability,no money,and no manual asking members to hold hands cmon.it happens all the time.i like most of the members love our trikes.and they dont or will never make them again.

[Dirtcrasher]

Mosh - 75% of what you said is exactly the way I feel......... At nearly 10,000 posts and the majority of them were helpful and informative. Asking questions is pretty rare for me........

Maybe it's me? Like when I had to teach myself to rebuild a 3-53 Detroit Diesel at 33yrs. old. I didn't touch one piece until I read that book (3"s thick) cover to cover. I took pride in learning all the workings of it and hear it turn over 1 time and run after nearly a year in my driveway all 40' stretched out.

We all learn from each other, but we learn the most from our own mistakes.

Just about every single manual is online now, and members here provide the links consistently. Tips and tricks are great, but you need to know your basics.

I always say "the degradation of society continues" and it rears it's ugly head every day......

[Billy Golightly]

Do I need to make like a 4+ year membership mandatory forum to stop all ya'lls sniveling? :lol:

[beets442]

I know how you feel, I get P.O.'d
I've offered cheaper(hillbilly way cause we are all not made of money) advice and got bashed severely on other sites. If we could take it to someone else to do the work, we wouldn't have the love for these machines the way we do.. Post this more often: rtfm

[Dirtcrasher]

^^ No, not at all; It's honestly my own fault. I need to just ignore threads from the people that can be ignorant and or ruin good parts, doing no research with the 50,000 threads on here. Which I'm sure is WAY under the real number.......

Anyone else notice how much stuff got discontinued last year??

Just keep changing coils, CDI's and on/off switches and throw away the old ones. This is the reason we can't get 86/87 200X cranks - LH thread so everyone I get is strpped from some moron refusing to read ahead of time.

[swampthang]

I totally see what your saying with the parts being ruined and the slowly dwendling number of avalible atc parts due to discontinuation,this has alway been at the back of my mine. What do we do 10 years on down the road when there isnt any parts to use to keep are machines going? Sure they will still be parts but supply and demand will drive the price on egay through the roof. Also even if all the tards on 3ww where weeded out we can weed them out of the world and they'd still wreck all our parts/bikes for the rest of the 3wheeler community. All hope isnt lost though hang in DC your input is still needed on here

[dcreel]

Should we start a new section called "3 wheelers for dummies" ? A section for the basic "air, fuel, and spark" questions? There are several questions that get asked at least once every couple of weeks. Maybe we need a section for the often asked questions.

250R fender fit a 200x? 200X hubs fit a 200s? and so on. Maybe the new people that sign on should have to read a page and agree to the terms before giving them access. Just ideas..

Hell, I love this place enough to pay a yearly fee to be here.

[Dirtcrasher]

^ great point!!

[Eric250R]

I also know where you're coming from. I own an atv shop, and the absolute morons I deal with on a daily basis is enough to make me want to close my doors. They come in with no intention what-so-ever of buying anything, they just want to know what's the easiest, cheapest, and most idiotic way they can fix something. And even after you take the time to explain to them how to do it, and why they need to do it right, they're going to go home and butcher it. And I don't care if it's a bike or 4 wheeler but when they come in asking about 3 wheelers ( everyone knows I"m the 3 wheeler guy around here) That really ticks me off. I've seen so many get completely trashed in the last year it kills me. 3 wheelers that could have easily been saved by someone knowlegible. But oh well, can't save'em all. That's also why none of my stuff gets sold or traded. Either way, good luck in what ever you decide.....

[Dirtcrasher]

^ Me too, I have enough crap for 2 more 350X's and a few 86/87 200X's; Beyond that, someday I'll have better suspension with a modern 4 stroke engine......

BTW - Typical trike owner show:

[willrideanythin]

I part out machine and bikes for a living. I see so many screwed up "fixes" that I cant even take the things apart.

Then I have customers that will pass me a 20 for running a VIN for them. Those are ones that make me stay open.

I have high hopes Im not one of those ppl, LOL.

[leviblue]

right now if you look on CL you'll find a butt-load of trikes for sale. Most if not all are ALOT CHEAPER than quads. Even a blaster is brining more in than a T-3 or a Tri-Z. I just had a kid today offer me $500 for my MXer. I chuckled and told him what I want if I was to sell and got a mouthfull of kid crap. So kids are buying them and beating on them as fast as they can. Once broke they're too cheap to buy a manuel or get it in their head that with a twist here or a bolt on there it'll beat anything on the trail. So they come to this site and see, never read about, the top teir trikes. Most don't look at the start date of the post just the finished product and will contact you. Hey it's gonna happen but what can you do the site is for information, good or bad. I myself don't offer any tech advise. I do GIVE ALOT of parts away to members who I have raced with or have been here for awhile. Last year Dcreel and I did a x-mas give away and I hope they know what to do with the parts once they get them. Doug sure did. I'll be doing it again this year too. I know you hate the stupid questions or the posts of those who are new and want to stick a 500 in a 110 frame. It does make you pull your hair out but it's still an info site and sooner or later they get the hint and they just leave. It's good and bad that it happens like that because the bike gets tossed in the trash and you loose another person who's interested in these great machines. I too wonder how in the heck someone can have 500 post in 2 mths but I've seen the "cool bike" or "welcome to the site" by the same people over and over. My advise is don't leave your email and ignore the crap posts. If you think your anwser is worth some $$ they charge them and include your paypal#. DC I've seen your work and read your posts and your a very talented builder just as is some others on here. Heck I'd love to have Billy build me a swinger like Josh's. Seen it at Summit and fell in love with it. Anytime you feel like making another let me know cuz I want one.
Just don't turn everyone off the site cuz it is really a big help to some and the sport should not have to stop with you

[123-shaneomac]

I guess that i am one of the noobs that keeps getting talked about on here, but like the sdm111 said i am not new to 3-wheelers, maybe this sight but not 3-wheelers. I can also understand about people asking stupid questions i know it has to get old but u put urself in that position by answering the first dumb question. I am guitly of asking dumb questions every now and again at least im humble when i do it. We all wernt around when 3-wheelers came out like alot of you guys but if it wasnt for us(noobs) who would carry on the 3-wheel torch. I think that anybody who found this forum and took the time to join and not just read posts should be allowed a couple of dumb questions. besides if you guys had a badass resource like this when u were learning you cant tell me that yall wouldnt have exploited it a little. Anyway we should not be talking trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro amongst ourselves, like it or not we are all in the same small badass club yall should just save all that aggression for 4-wheeler riders or something

[3Razors]

I know how the disgruntled guys feel. I was at that point like 10 years ago. At the shops I've worked at you really start to wonder about people's mentality with homied and jacked bikes that come in. Even when you tell them the exact way it should be fixed they just look at you dumbfounded and do the exact opposite. I've seen lots pure premium showroom bikes ruined without even being ridden, they just fall into the wrong hands. It never ends you will eventually just become numb to it as I have and tell the customer the price to fix and take it or leave it. I really don't come on forums that much anymore except to check out the latest stuff certain friends are doing.

[Thorpe]

Should we start a new section called "3 wheelers for dummies" ? A section for the basic "air, fuel, and spark" questions? There are several questions that get asked at least once every couple of weeks. Maybe we need a section for the often asked questions.

250R fender fit a 200x? 200X hubs fit a 200s? and so on. Maybe the new people that sign on should have to read a page and agree to the terms before giving them access. Just ideas..

Hell, I love this place enough to pay a yearly fee to be here.

LOVE this idea!!!!

[Fungo Wizard]

I appreciate the parts you gave me leviblue. I am fairly new to the site, and try to not ask too many technical questions, but i feel your pain Dirtcrasher. Is what your talking about not how our society operates nowadays? Nobody wants to spend any time figuring stuff out, they just want people to tell them. Welcome to the information age. My advice, don't try to stomp out stupidity, your leg will get sore. I have been around trikes for a long time, and I still learn something new everyday about them and i would also encourage these people you are talking about to pick up a manual and spend some time reading. Anyway, hate to see anyone leave the site especially someone that has as many posts as you have had.

[atc350xer]

Speaking for myself, I have asked a few dumb questions (didn't know how dumb until I learned through wrenching on my machines), but after all is said and done, if I gave help more times than I received it, I feel I'm in the black. There are so many knowledgeable people on this site, and I didn't really catch the "fever" until I came here (I went from 1 trike in January to 10+ at the moment). I know 100x more now than I knew just 6 months ago when I joined. For every post I've made, I've READ a hundred. I have a manual for every trike I own, and I take any advice given very seriously. So, overdue as it may be, a big thank you from myself to all you guys who have helped me fix my machines!

[Dirtcrasher]

Unfortunately the 3 wheeler torch will only get passed on to the diehards. As said, they're cheap and thats the problem. Get it for 50$ so why download a free manual.

I'm just glad I'll be one of the diehards that always has a trike no matter what brand or how it's made; But, I'll have one......

I think the "got it cheap, just wanna ride it - no spark!" guys will be gone in a few years.

[123-shaneomac]

I didnt really mean to sound like an a-hole because i have learned more from this site since i joined that i ever thought possible and in doing realized that you guys are dedicated to this. I just wanted yall to know that i appreciate all the help yall have given me.

[johns'85 250sx]

you know what D.C. I am a noob I guess (I have been messing with the sx for about 3yrs), and well, if I ever caused you grief over some stupid sh**, well, I am sorry! unlike other noobs I at least try to be courteous and respectful, while still asking questions, and if I have to have someone explain something to me I don't mind, and start acting pissy about it, but I agree some noobs need to just read the f****ing manual, because that's what it's for!, I actually have 2 manuals, the one that came from the factory(bought from fee-bay), and the clymers one. anyways thanks,
John G.

[mymint87]

Should we start a new section called "3 wheelers for dummies" ? A section for the basic "air, fuel, and spark" questions? There are several questions that get asked at least once every couple of weeks. Maybe we need a section for the often asked questions.

250R fender fit a 200x? 200X hubs fit a 200s? and so on. Maybe the new people that sign on should have to read a page and agree to the terms before giving them access. Just ideas..

Hell, I love this place enough to pay a yearly fee to be here.


LOL...sounds cool

Flunky Forum, for foos with flat front fatty's

[Billy Golightly]

Years ago I mentioned the idea of making a forum where new people (Less than 6 months of registration time) could ONLY post in that section unless they were independently deemed able to post otherwise (Oldschool racer, really technical and sharp welder/fab/machinists, etc. etc.) I still really think that might work but no one ever seems to go a long with the idea. 6 months is enough time for most people to learn how to use the site and search, ask the really mundane questions, and get most of that out of their system.

[fabiodriven]

Years ago I mentioned the idea of making a forum where new people (Less than 6 months of registration time) could ONLY post in that section unless they were independently deemed able to post otherwise (Oldschool racer, really technical and sharp welder/fab/machinists, etc. etc.) I still really think that might work but no one ever seems to go a long with the idea. 6 months is enough time for most people to learn how to use the site and search, ask the really mundane questions, and get most of that out of their system.

I think that is an excellent idea. I wouldn't even be opposed to making the probationary period even longer than that.

[3wheelmecca]

Mosh - 75% of what you said is exactly the way I feel......... At nearly 10,000 posts and the majority of them were helpful and informative. Asking questions is pretty rare for me........

Maybe it's me? Like when I had to teach myself to rebuild a 3-53 Detroit Diesel at 33yrs. old. I didn't touch one piece until I read that book (3"s thick) cover to cover. I took pride in learning all the workings of it and hear it turn over 1 time and run after nearly a year in my driveway all 40' stretched out.

We all learn from each other, but we learn the most from our own mistakes.

Just about every single manual is online now, and members here provide the links consistently. Tips and tricks are great, but you need to know your basics.

I always say "the degradation of society continues" and it rears it's ugly head every day......
Damn DC, I understand your hardship, though I have not experienced it. I too have done things without a computer, until recently. I
can't believe you rebuilt a 3-53. You are a true hero to me in the mechanics and machinsts trades, and for that, I thank you,
Vince

[rdlsz24]

Hey DC I feel your pain. Just check out the newbs cluttering up my review of a 200x eBay carb with their questions about other trikes lol. It's like they landed on the homepage and thought, here is a good place to ask about my Yamaha trike, right here in this Honda carb review.

http://www.3wheelerworld.com/content.php?274-REVIEW-New-eBay-Keihin-200x-carb#new_comment

Rob

[NINJA]

Hey DC I feel your pain. Just check out the newbs cluttering up my review of a 200x eBay carb with their questions about other trikes lol. It's like they landed on the homepage and thought, here is a good place to ask about my Yamaha trike, right here in this Honda carb review.

http://www.3wheelerworld.com/content.php?274-REVIEW-New-eBay-Keihin-200x-carb#new_comment

Rob
LOL I saw that. Then the one kid gets pissed because nobody answered him. Is it laziness or lack of reading comprehension, the reason for noobs posting in the wrong section? What really gets me going is when they expect an answer in 2 minutes or they double sometimes triple post, or post the same question in a bunch of different sections. I think the probationary period is a great idea.

[Thorpe]

Years ago I mentioned the idea of making a forum where new people (Less than 6 months of registration time) could ONLY post in that section unless they were independently deemed able to post otherwise (Oldschool racer, really technical and sharp welder/fab/machinists, etc. etc.) I still really think that might work but no one ever seems to go a long with the idea. 6 months is enough time for most people to learn how to use the site and search, ask the really mundane questions, and get most of that out of their system.

Fabio likes, and so do I...

Vote Tally 2... Anyone else??

[3wheelsinPA]

Years ago I mentioned the idea of making a forum where new people (Less than 6 months of registration time) could ONLY post in that section unless they were independently deemed able to post otherwise (Oldschool racer, really technical and sharp welder/fab/machinists, etc. etc.) I still really think that might work but no one ever seems to go a long with the idea. 6 months is enough time for most people to learn how to use the site and search, ask the really mundane questions, and get most of that out of their system.

It would also prevent them from feeling like a part of the community, not be able to participate in threads they may actually be able to contribute to outside of their segregated forums, and discourage participation on the whole.
I've been around the Internet since before Al Gore decided to build it. It was the same back then as it is today - except today the spelling and grammar are worse. You can rant about it, you can do something about it, or you can ignore it.
if you want to rant about it, let's throw in long run on sentences without the decency of breaking it up into paragraphs, or the use of all caps, or the lack of being able to put a coherent thought together.
If you want to do something about it, maybe add a link to the search feature to your signature. Some people here post a lot, it will get noticed and used.
If you want to ignore it (my personal favorite ever since I figured out that rants don't help) then ignore it! Can't put together a coherent thought? Ignored. Nasty PM? Ignored.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favor of coddling everyone (I hate everyone and everything equally) I just think that something like segregating new users will make the site bland and have an elitist feel that is a turn off to new people.

My $.02 (USD)

[84atc200]

It is highly annoying that some newer members give others a bad name.If its being ignorant or lazy and not using the search feature, I'll admit that i've asked some dumb questions. I'm a grateful person,always quick to thank a fellow member for helping me.Ever since i joined this site i have been a proud member,and plan on being here for a long time.Thank you to all who have helped me.

[Mr_RPM]

Speaking for myself, I have asked a few dumb questions (didn't know how dumb until I learned through wrenching on my machines), but after all is said and done, if I gave help more times than I received it, I feel I'm in the black. There are so many knowledgeable people on this site, and I didn't really catch the "fever" until I came here (I went from 1 trike in January to 10+ at the moment). I know 100x more now than I knew just 6 months ago when I joined. For every post I've made, I've READ a hundred. I have a manual for every trike I own, and I take any advice given very seriously. So, overdue as it may be, a big thank you from myself to all you guys who have helped me fix my machines!

same here! 6 months and Im obsessed and have learned ALOT!

[Dammit!]

I don't know why people have so much trouble simply not responding to posts and questions that they feel are stupid or redundant. Exercise your free will and just don't click reply.

Or... write a FAQ for the help section! If it's done well enough we'll sticky it in there. I wrote up that jetting sticky four years ago. Long before I was a mod here. It's had just about 22,000 hits since then and the amount of daily jetting questions has dropped by a remarkable amount ever since it was posted. It's far from being perfect but it does give most people enough of an understanding to not need to ask so many questions (and to realize you can't jet over the internet).

In other words, the time spent complaining could be better spent doing something to help the improve situation.

[fabiodriven]

It would also prevent them from feeling like a part of the community, not be able to participate in threads they may actually be able to contribute to outside of their segregated forums, and discourage participation on the whole.
I've been around the Internet since before Al Gore decided to build it. It was the same back then as it is today - except today the spelling and grammar are worse. You can rant about it, you can do something about it, or you can ignore it.
if you want to rant about it, let's throw in long run on sentences without the decency of breaking it up into paragraphs, or the use of all caps, or the lack of being able to put a coherent thought together.
If you want to do something about it, maybe add a link to the search feature to your signature. Some people here post a lot, it will get noticed and used.
If you want to ignore it (my personal favorite ever since I figured out that rants don't help) then ignore it! Can't put together a coherent thought? Ignored. Nasty PM? Ignored.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favor of coddling everyone (I hate everyone and everything equally) I just think that something like segregating new users will make the site bland and have an elitist feel that is a turn off to new people.

My $.02 (USD)

I couldn't agree with you more about the grammar. I even started a thread on it a few months ago. If I look at a thread and the OP is typing like he is texting, or runs on, or just plain can't get a thought out, I'll just ignore it. I won't even read it or reply. If they can't take the time to type out their thoughts in plane English, then I don't have the time to reply. It's a damn shame too. What if I had the answer to a question that they need? Oh well, not my problem I guess.

As far as newbs not being able to partake, Billy did say that a select few could be allowed to join without having to go through probation. Sounds good to me if somebody can prove that they know their shite.

[fabiodriven]

I don't know why people have so much trouble simply not responding to posts and questions that they feel are stupid or redundant. Exercise your free will and just don't click reply.



I agree with this policy as well. I haven't been posting nearly as much as of late because of the idiotic posts and bad grammar that we seem to have an influx of on here lately. It does make me unhappy after a while because it has made me steer away from this site a little bit lately. I'm not saying I'm going to leave the site, and I'm not complaining. I'm just saying the amount of bozos has exploded lately.

[Rockman]

Well, first of all, please do not classify all NEWBS in the same category.

As you can see, I have actually POSTED like 14 times but have been reading ALOT on this site since I joined. I have been searching for answers to many questions I have. I know the answers are out there...just need to find the thread they are in.

I have read my manuals that I got from MonroeMike on this site from cover to cover many times. I read the manuals when I had new machines back in the 80s and again when we bought 2 more this summer, read them again.

I understand that frustrations have arisen as a result of people just not thinking before posting. It does get irritating. I am a member of another "sport" site and I see the same thing over there. We have a big sign on the front of the site which says "Please check the FAQ section prior to posting questions, etc." We still get the people who can't even read this...but it has helped.

I have done alot of work on the ATCs we bought this summer but no one can tell since I have flown below the radar here and only posted a few times. I am a wrench monkey once I leave the office but no can tell until you open my garage and then you will be like "holy sh!t...I thought you were and accountant!?"

If some of the people on this site who have the in-depth knowledge about fixing ATCs or quads, etc. would share their experiences in a constructive way, this site would be alot stronger. Should one person be the dedicated person to go to for everything possibly wrong with a $50 beater that you expect to become an $8,000 quad, absolutely not! My point is that if information is to be shared to build the 3 wheeler community, it should be done in a manner that does not force the development of a thread like this.

Lastly, to all those who take the stand of "Well, we had to learn ourselves and the hard way, so should everyone else," then 1.) Do not join a public forum created for sharing experiences with others of the same interest and 2.) You too have no right to ask any questions just like the idiots who ask the same questions over and over again...

Rockman

ps-Use SPELLCHECK or learn how to spell...that is annoying as all hell...

[Billy Golightly]

I understand the frustrations guys, trust me. For as much as ANY of you guys get, I have no problem is estimating I receive 5x what you do. I've tried to figure out and come up with a way to relieve some of the stress and angst about it for many years and haven't really been able to figure anything out. Closest thing I've come to is the probationary period like I mentioned. Doug talked about building FAQs, and articles for commonly asked questions. That works GREAT but you have to get people that are willing to transfer that pissed off'ness they have into something productive and convert it into easy to find usable material in one place. I have no problem stickying stuff, or moving it to the World Class Help section when its good stuff. The biggest thing is it needs to be straight forward, easy to understand for new people. If someone wants to work on that, I'll be MORE than happy to oblige them by giving it high visibility to cut down on some redundancy of questions

[plastikosmd]

I thought it was that damn 70 gettin to you! I am about to squash mine, blow it up, torch it...or just bite the bullet and put an aftermarket motor in it.

[sandpuppi101]

I think that some of the newer people just need to use there head's a little bit more and learn how to search old thread's personally.I mean nothing against newbie's but some of the question's I see being asked are just common sense or just dumb in the 1st place and I just blow by them when I'm browsing.I do like helping out people but I also dislike answering a question and then being badgered .I guess I just choose not to reply alot of time's is my way of dealing with it which suck's,but thats what's gotta be done.

[fabiodriven]

Hey DC I feel your pain. Just check out the newbs cluttering up my review of a 200x eBay carb with their questions about other trikes lol. It's like they landed on the homepage and thought, here is a good place to ask about my Yamaha trike, right here in this Honda carb review.

http://www.3wheelerworld.com/content.php?274-REVIEW-New-eBay-Keihin-200x-carb#new_comment

Rob

:lol: Wow! That's so bad it almost looks like somebody's messing with you. Are they for real?

[Rawlins350x]

Years ago I mentioned the idea of making a forum where new people (Less than 6 months of registration time) could ONLY post in that section unless they were independently deemed able to post otherwise (Oldschool racer, really technical and sharp welder/fab/machinists, etc. etc.) I still really think that might work but no one ever seems to go a long with the idea. 6 months is enough time for most people to learn how to use the site and search, ask the really mundane questions, and get most of that out of their system.

I know I don't post much, but I know I've been on this site almost every day for the last 3-4 years( I have learned a lot from this site, especially Dirtcrasher). I would like to say that I also like this idea. I usually keep to myself, and just search and learn what I can about all of the bikes. But it seems like anymore the search feature is getting so cluttered with all of the same damn questions, and I cringe anytime I browse in Trikesylvania. (should I buy it? will this fit this? whats faster? what kind of bike should I get?) I think that the probationary period would weed out some of the cluster.

[Dirtcrasher]

No, not all newbs are the same. Many of them read search or "find all posts by Dirtcrasher" and spend time reading through them without anyone knowing. I do the same with "find all posts by Jason Hall or Ninja or Kasey etc etc" guys that have tips and tricks.

And Dammit, as far as your sticky goes, it explains jetting VERY well. But look back at it, it was meant to be informative not "my plug is black, could it be the needle jet?" which I've seen happening in there. It ought to be a locked sticky with the information and links provided.

How many times do I read "long time lurker, new member here just got a trike" and they already have half the answers from what they've been reading. It's the ones that join and want immediate help, refuse to read a free manual and make no attempt at learning how a multi meter functions - at it's basics!

If it's not overwhelming for the owner and mods, I think we need "newbs look here" to be a bit more of a tutorial and they can't post until they have a remote understanding of the principals of operation. Many forums require a certain n umber of posts prior to posting in other forums.

As for Rockman, I share every MO FO thing I can with you guys, any upgrades, ways to make things stronger, adapt newer technology etc etc, so personally I have a right to use the forum but I'm not gonna teach someone how to rewind a pull starter, or diagnose electrical issues until they make an effort themselves. Forget the internet, nothing made me happier as a child as owning and reading the service manuals which have always been available, maybe some guys ought to lay off the IPOD for awhile and read...........

And Mecca, on top of the 3-53, I had to rebuild the generator, blower, waterpump, install new injectors, made my own exhaust on a Bridgeport mill and so on. Having a backhoe broke down in your driveway for 3 months is not a fun thing :D

[Rockman]

As for Rockman, I share every MO FO thing I can with you guys, any upgrades, ways to make things stronger, adapt newer technology etc etc, so personally I have a right to use the forum but I'm not gonna teach someone how to rewind a pull starter, or diagnose electrical issues until they make an effort themselves. Forget the internet, nothing made me happier as a child as owning and reading the service manuals which have always been available, maybe some guys ought to lay off the IPOD for awhile and read...........

DC, like I said earlier, I have not been on the board for more than a few months but I understand where you are coming from and appreciate those on this forum that offer good advice and actually post something more than "Cool Trike Dewd!"...I never said you do not have a right to use this forum. Those people who share their experiences and offer assistance on this or any other forum, make the forum a better and more valuable tool (no pun intended). No one should have to be thee one to answer every question. The good advice should be posted to the FAQ where it is up there for everyone to see. My former posting was not clear as to what I meant.

The FAQ section needs to take the load off those who have become overwhelmed and frustrated with all that has arisen lately. No reason to see 1,000,000 new threads which all start with "Motor won't start...what do i do?"

Yes, the internet contains almost any answer to any question...too bad some people do not know how to interpret the answers once they find them. They just keep asking and asking...



Remember, these type of forums are all centered around FUN things WE all have interest in...no reason it should get to a point where it makes us hate each other. These forums include the widest range of people from the expert wrench monkeys to the newest irritating NEWB that you could imagine and then everyone in between. We just need some rules and become a bit more organized on how inquiries are handled...

[Ironbnder]

I think that the dumb ass threads can be as amusing as the intelligent threads are informing. As it has been said here many times, do not reply to it if you do not like it.

I would also like to restate that not all nubees are the same. There are nubees and then there are just plain dumb asses.

[factoryX]

well how about the ability to read posts for a couple days(or week) before they are allowed to post?

[jeswinehart]

Hey Mr. A~hole.
This ain't covered in my ALT manual I loaned out 28 months ago (they are all the same right ???)
What the heck is wrong with the steering on this stupid thing ?

Love ya man :) john

[fabiodriven]

If they can't take the time to type out their thoughts in plane English, then I don't have the time to reply. It's a damn shame too. What if I had the answer to a question that they need? Oh well, not my problem I guess.

You wrote "plane" instead of "plain". Way to prove your point bozo.:D

[thestud25]

Loud angry voices!

DC, I know that I speak for many people when I say thanks for all the advice. There are a great deal of members on here just like you. If there wasn't a wealth of knowledge on here, people would not frquent this site. It seems to me that the ones that ask the stupid questions and make the unreadable posts do not seem to stay long. It is like going to Wal-Mart, you are going to bump into people that just piss you off!

[Dammit!]

If it's not overwhelming for the owner and mods, I think we need "newbs look here" to be a bit more of a tutorial and they can't post until they have a remote understanding of the principals of operation. Many forums require a certain n umber of posts prior to posting in other forums.



Write a "How to Use 3WW" tutorial. :lol:

[dma550]

Forum newb <> Real life newb all the time. Even though I've had only a few posts, I was making chain tensioners for my 81 trimoto in 1983 when you couldn't buy one (when I was 15). Anyhow, I do post newbish things sometimes just as a gut check. If someone happening by posts up a Yup or a Nope, I've saved some time, and maybe gotten some wisdom from an old timer, which is much appreciated. Why should it have to be hard to find information? Why wouldn't the community pitch in and help that Newb build a barn if they could? And, if you don't have time, don't reply, that's fine too!

[Dirtcrasher]

Hey Mr. A~hole.
This ain't covered in my ALT manual I loaned out 28 months ago (they are all the same right ???)
What the heck is wrong with the steering on this stupid thing ?

Love ya man :) john

Bring it over, I can fix it :D

[whyzee]

Personally, I think you guys are being too harsh on the new guys . It is pretty difficult to navigate the search forum when you first join, so I think you need to give them some slack.
When you don't have any idea what you are doing it is ok to ask a question. As simple as the answer may be to the expert , it is mindblowing to the novice.
This does not give the right to PM someone questions unless you ask them first .
Some of you might not know how to solve E=mc( squared) or what 3.14159265R(squared) will answer, but to an expert, they might chuckle at such a mundane question.
Now the one's that HIRE people on this forum and expect them to work for peanuts , or trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro at the price quote...screw you royally, bring it to a shop and pay prevailing wage, around $79.50 an hour around here
But for the silly questions from the guys who just bought thier first trike,
Let's cut them some slack, I consider myself a newbie . We are all newbies at something.
The reason why 3WW rules is because of people like you DC, don't let the idiot's bring you down.
And yes, I still have the NOS 200X brochure for ya, was hoping to deliver it in person and shot the trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro about life and trikes and the women who drive us crazy

[Eric250R]

Ok, this going away from the point a little. He didn't make his post to attack newbs. So, those of you who are new shouldn't take offense. It's the ones ( as stated ) that found a cheap 3 wheeler and just want to beat the snot out of it and throw it away. The same ones that want you to tell them how to fix it for free but after you have taken the time to explain the right way to do it, they ignore it and butcher it anyway. And after answering the same questions over and over only to know the end results, you become jaded. I know exactly where he's coming from.... But to those of you who will actually use the info to restore the machines we love. Someone will always be here to help. Just please stop trashing these machines....

[Thorpe]

If it's not overwhelming for the owner and mods, I think we need "newbs look here" to be a bit more of a tutorial and they can't post until they have a remote understanding of the principals of operation. Many forums require a certain n umber of posts prior to posting in other forums.

....And maybe a pop quiz at the end, before they can earn their wings? (may not be a bad idea....)

[3wheelmecca]

And Mecca, on top of the 3-53, I had to rebuild the generator, blower, waterpump, install new injectors, made my own exhaust on a Bridgeport mill and so on. Having a backhoe broke down in your driveway for 3 months is not a fun thing :D
Holy S**t. you are offcially awesome, not that you werent already. I am sending any of my 4-53 parts to YOU for any type of work, once I get it in my 64 Chevy.

[Texaskev]

Being a noob,as I am, I am not a stupid person. I've been riding trikes since about '78. I have spent years working on cars, bikes, whatever. I've been working on aircraft for 25 yrs. Do I think I am special? No, sometimes it IS easier to get on a site like this, because of the help you can get from people that have been in your shoes. Would I go and hang out with a bunch of guys riding on trikes? Damn right I would. Some guys will just try and get the easy way out on some questions, because they are lazy. Some because they want a second opinion. Not everyone has worked as a bike mechanic for years, ya know? Just a thought....If you asked me how to trim the fuel control on a ALF 502 jet engine, I would not tell you to go figure it out.........doesn't make sense. Try replacing blown up engine parts on a turbine....lots of cash. Just remember that some people may be ignorant, and some may be lazy, but they are not all that way. Just my 2 cents. Everybody can't be good at everything.

[tanks350x]

You wrote "plane" instead of "plain". Way to prove your point bozo.:D
Hey John, are you talking about yourself in a third, or fourth party on the internet? :lol:
that's weird :lol:

[haggard 2hundie]

i am new and have asked plenty of dumb questions, however i see alot more dumb very vague questions and i totaly see where you older members are coming from.
but i also realize that when alot of you "old schoolers" was learning your machine parts were more readily available, it was nothing to go to the shop and get what ya needed, you didnt have to search ebay and hope to find the part you needed.
anyway thank you dirtcrasher for all your help and im sure ive asked ya some dumb ones so sorry dude.

[TheRealFatShady]

I guess the other newer guys don't aren't in MA. When I want to bug Steve, I just show up! :lol:

[Dirtcrasher]

^ Be nice now, I was working on your frame today! :lol:

[RodKnockRacing]

I understand where your coming from DC hell your not a A-hole maybe we will get to throw back some beers again at this years Pennsyltuckkky

[fabiodriven]

Any thoughts on that probationary period Billy? Has anybody looked at some of the threads started in Trikesylvania this morning? Holy noobs Batman!!!

[Dirtcrasher]

^ I saw the same thing, guys with 2, 3 5 posts. How the heck did trikes get so damn popular suddenly!

[Vealmonkey]

I think someone brought some old Brochures to a Junior High Show and Tell. And the funniest would be, if you guys think he is the purveyor of Myrth and Merriment now, imagine if I just stopped by his humble abode for the day?!

[swampthang]

I haven't been a member on here a full year yet and im by no means a expert,call me a noob,green, whatever but I think most of these questions must be coming from young kids just from the type of questions and lack of simple mechanical knowledge. Im all for a probationary period even if it means i get bumped into a lower level for awhile. It looks like a good idea in the long run. Most of the questions can be answered by a quick search. I dont see a reason to be mean to the person with the questions because maybe they are just a kid from a single parent family and doesnt have anyone close to help them. But i guess you have to draw a line somewhere.:wondering

[Billy Golightly]

My idea with this for teh time being is:

Leave it the way things are. vBulletin is releasing 4.1 which is suppose to have a vastly improved search. If it DOES improve and works like its suppose to, then it'll be easier and better to set up the probationary period, because then when we tell people to search, they actually will be able to find what they are looking for :lol:

[dksix]

I bought another 3 wheeler yesterday, had a PTA meeting and picinic last so I got home too late to take pics. Got home today took pics that I wanted to post and the first thing I see in the new post is this. Older members complaining about new members starting threads. I'll log out an go back to lurking when I need info.

[Vealmonkey]

All new members should be required to post a picture of themselves holding a honda shop manual for thier trike before they are allowed to post anything. What do you think????

[Ironbnder]

They are not complaining about new members starting threads. They are expressing their agrevation about someone asking how much air goes in their Big Red tire or where do I get a manual. That has got to be the most over ask question ever. I am considered a nubee and I am tired of seeing it myself already.

I first took offence at Dc's thread until I started to see his point.

[whyzee]

All new members should be required to post a picture of themselves holding a honda shop manual for thier trike before they are allowed to post anything. What do you think????

Now that is funny !!! :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Dirtcrasher]

I bought another 3 wheeler yesterday, had a PTA meeting and picinic last so I got home too late to take pics. Got home today took pics that I wanted to post and the first thing I see in the new post is this. Older members complaining about new members starting threads. I'll log out an go back to lurking when I need info.

Well, I'm not a PTA member, I'm a trike lover/builder. I've helped plenty, I could say "don't let the forum hit you in the arse" or I could say "hang in there, were working on it"........

Even though there will be questions about older trikes for years, some o0f us are moving on to newer equipment, and HAVE TO!! But, older questions will always be there.

You've got nearly 100 posts, your not a newbie, leave if you like. All I'm trying to get across to people is - DO SOME RESEARCH TO HELP YOURSELF!!

I want posts from guys that say "hey look what fits and improves ......................." etc, but thats me.

The nembies that make no effort are the ones that have me throwing my hands in the air and learning yourself by yourself is best. THEN, ask for help and or improvements.

But I swear, If I could be a mod, the next guy that said "I have no spark on m YTM - HELP!!" I'd either direct them to a manual or ignore the post.

[coolpool]

Wow this thread has gone on far too long; and I don't like the gist of it! Yep I'm a "noob" and by no means mechanically declined. I think every post might interest someone, somewhere. I believe this forum, as with most is meant to garner cohesiveness for people with a common interest and to be educational at the same time. This thread is counter productive for everyone to say the least. I don't blame anyone for asking questions. If the ability to use a search feature is not known or not user friendly is that their fault? I feel "dirty" posting now for fear of offending one of the vets. Should I? No way! I used to feel that I was contributing to this awesome forum by starting or answering threads. Now I don't think that way anymore. Like it or not some of the "noobs" you're bashing will be or were going to be the future of this site.

P.S. I'd be happy to to answer questions about extracting oil from the tar sands if someone could tell me the spark plug gap on my BR. Get it? The info is out there but I'll tell you anyways....and with a smile on ;-)

My two cents.

[Dirtcrasher]

Wow this thread has gone on far too long; and I don't like the gist of it! Yep I'm a "noob" and by no means mechanically declined. I think every post might interest someone, somewhere. I believe this forum, as with most is meant to garner cohesiveness for people with a common interest and to be educational at the same time. This thread is counter productive for everyone to say the least. I don't blame anyone for asking questions. If the ability to use a search feature is not known or not user friendly is that their fault? I feel "dirty" posting now for fear of offending one of the vets. Should I? No way! I used to feel that I was contributing to this awesome forum by starting or answering threads. Now I don't think that way anymore. Like it or not some of the "noobs" you're bashing will be or were going to be the future of this site.

P.S. I'd be happy to to answer questions about extracting oil from the tar sands if someone could tell me the spark plug gap on my BR. Get it? The info is out there but I'll tell you anyways....and with a smile on ;-)

My two cents.

^ You may have some valid points, some guys can barely use a computer.........

No one is attempting to scare away the new members; But it's getting out of hand. If you can't read a multimeter and share the results, how can we ask you to check more? Thats just electrical but it's helped make me a great service tech for HVACR,. Mechanical is another step. Don't you all WANT to have some skills rather than damaging parts??


I, nor anyone else claim to be or feel as the MESSIAH of ATC's, no one person could ever be. A forum alone could not have walked me through it.

The message through all this BS is merely to ATTEMPT to try and help yourself; Just a hair of education!!. Manual downloads are FREE, many newbs take the easy way out...... I don't want a boring website nor does anyone else, but we ALL need to know the basics and the others may or may not have the mechanical abilities and it's starts by searching and reading a manual.

Searching even to locate my own threads can be frustrating, but I can find them........

10 years ago I lost 2nd gear in my 88 Toyota, I bought the book and got it running again. I TRIED!! No-one would reply to my topic........

If this site relied solely upon peoples opinions, we'd have allot of broken trikes. This place is FILLED with information, it may take an extra minute or two to locate it ill, but I'm fairly sure most of the obvious problems have been addressed and anything added is GREAT!! We all learn; Some of the simple topics have been covered numerous times. But if you read it and it still makes no sense, thats what makes us so interested and involved in your thread.

Need help understanding a multimeter? The majority of guys that understand them will try to teach and help you with them and the knowledge will be with you for LIFE!

No one should look at this as if the basic help isn't there. it is and always will be. Some people should merely attempt to learn and share what they've learned before posting. If they learn something new, FANTASTIC!!

We've got to get with the new times! But the old help will always be here for those that choose to learn rather than just ride.................

[fabiodriven]

Here's where I'm coming from noobs- When I got on this forum two years ago you could go into Trikesylvania and see numerous threads on cool builds, neat little tricks, or just some good trike pics. The people posting were longtime members and after the months started to go by there were a lot of familiar faces. It was very interesting to see what it was people were building and trying to help them along the way. Over the last few months there has been an influx of faceless (No avatar), nameless (names like 123mikey or ridn6902 and stuff), trikeless (nothing in their signature) web surfing bozos who would rather jump on the internet to find out what the next size wrench is because the 9mm won't fit than actually spin the gears in their head and figure it out for themselves. Don't believe me? I was on here this morning and I couldn't believe the threads these guys were starting. If I wasn't worried about getting another infraction I would make a list right here, right now of threads that are just pure dribble.

Here is my interpretation of a thread I saw today- "i need a frame i looked on craigslist and ebay how much is it"

Great material, eh? Nothing makes me happier than logging in to my beloved trike forum and looking forward to some nice informative material or some constructive questions and coming across that.

Yeah, we were all noobs once, but there are some noobs and then there are new guys. I'm sure there are plenty of people who have joined this forum after me that could wrench circles around me. You guys know the difference. You know who we're talking about here.

[Kilborg]

I am widely considered an asshole and dont sweat it..but I have known a few of you guys for close to 15 years. That is reason enough in my mind to hang around. There is no need to deal with certain people unless money or beatings are involved. 3ww is just big enough now where we are getting the full social spectrum. Like fabio said, some of the new guys are pretty cool and have some good ideas, and some arent.

Such is life.

[Mosh]

Here's where I'm coming from noobs- When I got on this forum two years ago you could go into Trikesylvania and see numerous threads on cool builds, neat little tricks, or just some good trike pics. The people posting were longtime members and after the months started to go by there were a lot of familiar faces. It was very interesting to see what it was people were building and trying to help them along the way. Over the last few months there has been an influx of faceless (No avatar), nameless (names like 123mikey or ridn6902 and stuff), trikeless (nothing in their signature) web surfing bozos who would rather jump on the internet to find out what the next size wrench is because the 9mm won't fit than actually spin the gears in their head and figure it out for themselves. Don't believe me? I was on here this morning and I couldn't believe the threads these guys were starting. If I wasn't worried about getting another infraction I would make a list right here, right now of threads that are just pure dribble.

Here is my interpretation of a thread I saw today- "i need a frame i looked on craigslist and ebay how much is it"

Great material, eh? Nothing makes me happier than logging in to my beloved trike forum and looking forward to some nice informative material or some constructive questions and coming across that.

Yeah, we were all noobs once, but there are some noobs and then there are new guys. I'm sure there are plenty of people who have joined this forum after me that could wrench circles around me. You guys know the difference. You know who we're talking about here.
Right on man.

Some of the threads being posted in Trikesylvania are REALLY getting on my nerves..And punishments are going to start ramping up if it doesnt stop soon. 2 people almost got a vacation today for being plain out smart asses!
I am not trying to deter anyone from posting but use your friggin head people..I dont care if you joined yesterday or 2 years ago..A stupid thread is stupid..That is all there is to it..
Some just want to use these forums a plain out chatroom...We have a chatroom.

[leviblue]

So shall we see the return of the PUNISHER ???? Haven't seen him in almost a year and I kinda liked the guy. And yes the questions are getting worse and worse. I'm waiting for "Hey I got a three wheeler...now what do I do??"

[RodKnockRacing]

I have noticed all this too and its sad. Ive busted my fair share of parts and stripped out many bolts and I have learned from my mistakes and figured out how to do things. Sure I've asked many questions on here and got good answers and I learned from those answers. Just today DC was telling me about cylinder honing now I know more about it and i learned something. I think what it amounts too is just people being down right lazy these days and hopefully all this will just run its course and new members will get the hint and start thinking about what they post before they post it.

[brapp]

corb corb corb lol you didnt belive me about your cylinder honign endavour lol. i know i may not type prefect but i have some screwed up nerves and piss poor hand eye cordination but thats irrelivant i am here to chare an idea how hard woudl it be before someone can do thier first post that they have to have a test pop up and answer 10-15 questions. and f they answer wring something pops up use the search bar to find your correct answer??it sjust an idea. BUT on a bette rnote i havent made alot of post took a lil vacation basicaly just check classifieds and open forum and some f the top tier builds.

[Billy Golightly]

To the guys worried about getting ran off, if you've posted in this thread, your NOT the type of member anyone is worried about, because by replying, you've shown that you care, and you make an effort when you do post. The ones that are the most aggravating are the ones that posted on a whim, without any thought or reason involved with it. NO ONE is going to fault you for having a problem and intelligently explaining what it is, and then making an effort to follow the advice and remedy it. Thats not what this is about. Its about the people who post and want answers with totally incomplete data, and then get pissed they dont get an answer. Its the people that REFUSE to listen to and follow the advice that IS given to them, thats like what we are talking about...

[brapp]

well i know where some of the newb's come from, over on skidsteerforum.com i used the search bar and read everything i could find on my skid steer hydrolics, downloaded the service manual and posted a post of my issue, witch has me baffled. i have been being patient but its been a week and 60 some views and one person told me to look in the manual and i ahve done everything multiple times and then i posted looking for a simple question as to where somethign is located because i obviouslt am missing it in the component location on the manual . and noone even cares and noone has helped at all. but thats what makes this forum freat its not just a bunck of enthusiast its more liek family and people actualy care.

[hang&rattle]

You guys, I am a terrible mechanic and I try hard too. I ask alot of questions that may be easy for you, but sometimes the manual just dosen't cover it. I do however do what I'm told to do, and sometimes have to use a lesser part to get our machines on the road (had to go with more inexpensive gaskets because they wouldn't take paypal and I wouldn't give out c.c. #). But it's hard for me. And even researching the Advanced search, it just wouldn't work, for some of the applications I was doing. I have built a few bikes in the last 6 months though, and am still unconfident in my repairs, so I do need assurance. I don't want some one who is cranky and got up on the wrong side of the bed to harp on me for a question that's easy for them, but foreign to me, not right. Or lately someone tellin' me what I should do or what I would do, or what my kids should wear and not ride. I am me, that's it, can't be anyone else-

[fabiodriven]

Other forums are not like this one Brapp. This was the first forum I ever joined and I assumed they were all like this. Truth be told, this is the best forum on the internet, hands down. That's not my opinion, that's a fact. (I have the authority to make this a fact:D) After this forum I joined many, many other forums. A different forum for trikes (that sucks), one for my Buell, my John Deere, the F-350 that I had, four-eyed Mustang, my sled, they all suck. You post a question and nobody replies. It's like they're all empty or something.

3WW is the bee's knees to say the least.

[oldskool83]

DC go MIA for awhile, i do this and it helps. who knows when ill post again.

[cbx1170]

Should we start a new section called "3 wheelers for dummies" ? A section for the basic "air, fuel, and spark" questions? There are several questions that get asked at least once every couple of weeks. Maybe we need a section for the often asked questions.

Another way I say it is " Compression, Ignition, Carburetion". You have to diagnose/repair it in that order.

I have listed a couple posts showing troubleshooting diagrams or lists for 185 200 spark problems that worked for me for years in multiline dealerships. It works!.

As an ex flat rate tech I see the need for newbs to show what/how they have searched on the site. They need to show responsibility that they have searched/read for an answer to their problem. Hell, let them list a reference!!!! Let them tell us what exactly they searched for like.... Tri-Z spark.... etc etc. They need good Search skills, words to add or not to add. Not just pop in and post a question. That shows laziness and disrespect. I have worked on 2,3,4 whls for 30 yrs and SEARCH 3WWW / .org before asking. I have been away from tryking for 8-10 years and need to get caught back up. And I USUALLY find something A Tutorial or good reference almost always. I usually search for "best part or mod".

[Dirtcrasher]

I'm certainly glad some of you understand. I'll always help someone that helps himself! :beer

[Mosh]

I bought another 3 wheeler yesterday, had a PTA meeting and picinic last so I got home too late to take pics. Got home today took pics that I wanted to post and the first thing I see in the new post is this. Older members complaining about new members starting threads. I'll log out an go back to lurking when I need info.

Hey man!

I just checked out your 200x build thread and believe me....You are not a problem here..Please keep posting. This site needs more members like you, that are dedicated to posting good quality content on this forum.
Your build is coming out TOP Notch and we would seriously love for you not to be discouraged..

http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthread.php?117440-My-first-trike-1984-200x

It has nothing to do with "newbies".
There are quality New people like yourself, and there are those that just want to clog the place up with riff raff..

You ARE NOT one of those riff raff types.

[TrailerRider]

Well as usual I am going to throw my 2 cents in on this. I have had a few people pm me with questions that make you go wtf!? I am by no means a good mech but I can work on all my junk. The first thing I do when I get a new wheeler or car/truck etc is go out a buy a repair manual. Case in point my brother who calls me and says what do you think it wrong with my truck, it just turns over but won't start. My first question in do you have gas? Usually I get the response "I am on E but I have run it way farther down then this". Or the young people, and this is a my personal favorite rant, is they think just twisting a battery cable on it suffiecent AHHH!!@#$% Then they ask why is my stuff having problems starting after they change the battery every other month. My fav thing is usually "How much do you think this part cost?". How the fuk should I know, go check autozone jesus christ I am not the parts house. Wow DC I feel your pain. I ask lots of question but only after reading on it if I don't understand. My problem is I not only want to know how to fix it but why it failed inthe first placed. That way I can prevent it next time. I have learned many times how NOT to do stuff. But that is the only way you can learn. I did the 250 Pol quad topend for the first time doing any work on a small engine. I thought it was going to be some serious stuff. After reading the manual it was a freaking breeze. Same with the 4storkes. I have all the manuals on the 3 wheelers downloaded. My kids take the manuals and sit down and read then so they understand what is going on with their 3w.

3 Wheelers will eventually have no parts. Thats is only half true. Once the old parts surplus dries up you can bet that we will be swapping in new stuff in the old frames. People are always fabing new fenders and such. Just like Hot rods, new motor old style, best of both worlds. 3 wheelers are cheap ( as stated) and are therfore thought to be disposable just like some of the little cars. I don't know where you guys are getting your cheaper prices but where I am a broken down pile of Honda 200s/185 with busted fenders, needs motor work, tires hold air for 30 minutes and (a normal quote you can find on CL) Needs spark plug and it'll run cost $350 to $400. If it needs a plug why are you selling it and not riding it? The only reason I have not bought my dream 350x is the price on avergae is $1500 to $2000. Sorry this is still an atv and no way in hell am I going tp pay that much.

Every forum goes through the noob time where it is nothing but junk threads. Most end up doing as Bill has suggested and that usually fixes the issues. Well DC I hope you don't hit the road but if you do good luck in your travels. :)

[daniel_250r]

i learnt the hard way fixing things too dont buy a pice of trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro 25 year old 3 wheeler just buy a quad and don't look back theres my 2 cent

[dcreel]

i learnt the hard way fixing things too dont buy a pice of trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro 25 year old 3 wheeler just buy a quad and don't look back theres my 2 cent

Your 2 cents isn't worth a whole lot around here.. A lot of us would take the 25 year old piece of trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro three wheeler over a quad.

[brapp]

well once again dc i do knwo your pain, i have read for almost 2 weeks on the skidsteer and replaced things properly, made sure thigns went together right and still nothing thanks for your help on thet thread, but i think i am gonna have to call five star and let the professionals come and rape me in the back door and assume i am made of money lol but the good news is its paid off and its gonna get done right. but just wanted to say thanks again for trying to help with that issue, but you and i both know without it the mx track wont be done for pennsyltucky this year hahaha.

[Dirtcrasher]

Try to get some fittings and a hydraulic gauge. The old man that helped me with the Dynahoe (1969) helped me narrow down to where and at what point the pressure dropped. Lots of points the excess fluid just goes back to the tank or if the line at the motor in in spec, the motor has an issue.

Those guys at Yesterdays tractor are great, but they want you to do your homework...

So many anti backflow valves and bypasses, lots of work but when you've got it, you've GOT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hope to hear a good report back soon! The tiniest stuff screws hydraulics all up..................

I use to love the neighbors 653 Bobcat, perfect for berm building!! and grading. These backhoes are too big!!

[NINJA]

i learnt the hard way fixing things too dont buy a pice of trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro 25 year old 3 wheeler just buy a quad and don't look back theres my 2 cent

So what exactly are you trying to say here? I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt on this one. What you meant to say was, if noobs buy an old ragged out trike and expect it to run like the day it came off the showroom floor and don't expect imminent repairs, then they are better off getting a new quad that won't need repairs right away.

Because, if you were implying that trikes were pieces of trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro and quads are better and more reliable (you posted this on a dedicated 3wheeler site), then you can GTFO and don't let the door hit you in the ass! That's my .02

[brapp]

the motor fine i switched lines with other pump and funcioned properly, but somewhere in the manifold between the 2 main drive pumps is somethgin screwed up. and its all bolted together with internal ports not external lines so i am about baffled and have it narrowed down to inside the pumps i just dont know where to begin inside the pumps, i have been told by a few diff mechanics ists the spool valves and i just dont feel completly confident going into $5,000 worth of hydrolic pumps alone so i am gonna let someone who has been in those perticular pumps before figure it out. and i ahve put guages on allthe lines and ports and everything checks out except the one that is givign me issues and pretty much have it narrowed down to the valve that directs the fluid to the forward/ backwards hoses it sjust bypassign it to the cooler/ resivor but i have checked ut yesterdays tractor and have a littl ebetter understandign and i havent registere3d yet but can se emyself in the near future.

[MudBug]

I've only been here a little over a year, and I know from experience that everyone has a "noob" phase. There are lots of new members that are mechanically inclined and have respect for this forum and just want an answer to their (reasonable) questions, but the majority of the new ones which joined this year make me sick. They give no info, and expect you to give them a step by step guide to fix their trike. We should wipe their @$$ while we're at it. I learned quick just to avoid commenting on those threads.

[Dirtcrasher]

^ Nice to hear Mudbug :beer:

[aldochina]

I have noticed this myself over the last 6 months or so. Now when i visit trikesylvania, there are a handfull of interesting posts on the entire page, they used to all be interesting. I think the foolish posts have alot to do with age!! seems like alot of the fresh members are very young. Maybe members 17 and under can have there own section to post there trials and tribulations. Once deemed responsible enough they would be allowed to post in the general population.

[ironchop]

smilie goes here

[Dirtcrasher]

IC - I hear what your saying and I can appreciate it. For some reason this year has brought upon allot of new members that make no attempt to download the book etc etc.

BUT, at some point I posted my email. That got me some work, but also got me the "My YTM has no spark, think it's the coil?" so they obviously have not used a multimeter and don't intend to learn how. If they learn, it spills over into all aspects of electrical work and just makes it easier on them, I'm not the one (yet :lol:) that has a trike that won't start.

I don't think Newbs should be ignored, or placed in a category that isolates them; But if they had a bit of input such as "I got 35 and 38 Ohms, does that mean it's ok??" I'd try to help that guy. I just think a few of us are on the same page that the newer members need to read a little, try a few things. Handing a horse water doesn't teach him to drink it.

None of us know it all and 2000 posts may all be "nice trike!" so that count means nothing.

This board can choose to do nothing if they desire. Many times I download a manual for trikes I don't own and I try and help; This year and as of late have got out of hand and I just want to preserve our trikes before they're all gone.

Learning is done by doing or you can get help your whole life with your dishwasher, your boiler, your power vent etc etc; Or you can be thankful someone made you to learn a bit and it spilled into everything else............

[ironchop]

smilie goes here

[Dirtcrasher]

It's not a pitchfork, it's a sickle :lol:

Every time we meet, it's awesome. Funny how the guy with the "won't start" "electrical issue" never shows up though......

I love trikes, love improving them. I'd have nothing to do without them, literally....... In my eyes they are as safe as the operator.

Not everyone, but some guys need to help themselves in order to "help themselves".

[Russell 350X]

I haven't been posting on here much at all, I'm only on here every couple of days, because of the stupid questions. I have met a lot of people on here, many are very dear friends to me now. But since this new wave of stupidity has hit 3WW, I have no desire to come on here everyday before and after work like I use to. I have been done helping people if they won't help themselves on here. I think the ideas that are floating around in the beginning of this thread are good idea's, so the new people can learn that want to learn, and the people that come here with idiotic questions will hopefully get deranged and not come back. I am with you 100% DC...some of this crap is getting nuts.

[Dirtcrasher]

I haven't been posting on here much at all, I'm only on here every couple of days, because of the stupid questions. I have met a lot of people on here, many are very dear friends to me now. But since this new wave of stupidity has hit 3WW, I have no desire to come on here everyday before and after work like I use to. I have been done helping people if they won't help themselves on here. I think the ideas that are floating around in the beginning of this thread are good idea's, so the new people can learn that want to learn, and the people that come here with idiotic questions will hopefully get deranged and not come back. I am with you 100% DC...some of this crap is getting nuts.

VERY well said!! I have so many new friends from here, some I've never met. Yet they ask me to call them in California or Nevada and we spend 2 hours on the phone. Jeff (Honda250SX) taught me to powder coat and svaes me tons of money ON TOP of being a super nice guy; And I've NEVER MET HIM!!

I use to love checking 3WW everyday and now it's turned into a - lets justs say, not so much fun place to share anymore. So many good members are gone now.................

[Vealmonkey]

IronChop, I was with you for a while man, then you just put me off of your thread. First, why do you use the term outlaw trikers? Outlaws break laws and do illegal things. I don't think that pertains to many people on here. It doesn't to me. I'm an enthusiast, as are many others on here. Maybe you have to think about yourself as some kind of law breaking rebel or something to that effect, but I don't, so please don't lump people into the "us outlaw trikers" bull crap. I have a little bit of cash tied up in my hobby, and some folks on here have way more time and money tied up in their machines than me. I don't think that makes them outlaws. I've met alot of decent people through this forum. And i've talked to some people that I would never care to meet again. It happens. And I know not everyone ties up the kind of time and money some people on here do, and I'm not downing that. But I"ve seen people come on here and scam good forum members and I've seen others come on here to try and dump their garbage. I don't appreciate it and I'm sure others don't as well. I don't mind trying to answer some peoples questions who try and put fourth some type of effort, even if the question has been asked for the 18th time. But I have little patience or respect for those that come on here and just say and ask stupid stuff. Case in point..."I want to buy a frame". There's descriptive for you. Or I want to trade my x box for a nice running trike or other such things to similar effect. It's nice that you are a top fab guy, not many of us here are, I know I'm not and I'm not ashamed to say it. It's nice you work in a field where people are willing to pay you decent money for the job you do. Let's face it, alot of people have trikes cause they got them for little or nothing. Alot of trike people don't want to pay proper money for anything. I realize times are hard, but it's been this way ever since I've been on here. You know how many people ask to buy stuff from me and then balk when they are told that I have more than $50 bucks in an aftermarket frame or some other part that they expect to get for nothing? DC does alot of work on here for free dang near and people still balk at his prices when they chime up and say they want a "custom made" part that can't be obtained anywhere else. I saw a member on here get raked over the coals for nos parts that were different than originals that were superceded by honda themselves, and they accused him of trying to pawn off some poorly made repros! And you talk of how members on here are ready to get the pitchforks out and go on a withhunt for noobs and you don't want "us" to be like that? This is Billys site. If he wants to curb peoples thoughts on the subject here, then he will. Or the "Punisher" will show up again. Don't come on here shoving your thinking onto others. You have the right to your opinion. Don't lump others into "us" or "them" categories or go pinning some stupid term as "outlaw trikers" on people or at least on me. I don't lump others into any category of mine. I generally get myself into trouble on my own, thank you. You go be an "outlaw triker" or an "outlaw fabber" or an "outlaw manager" or what ever you want to call yourself, but keep that crap off of here. People don't want to ban or burn or witchhunt noobs, they just want to stop the ignorance. And if new people can't respect that, then maybe they shouldn't be here. And you have the option to leave if you don't like it as well. I like this site. I can be passionate and outspoken about it at times and complain about it as well, at least when it comes to the search feature, LOL, but that's not Billys' fault. The people who don't know the terminology usually haven't even tried to look anything up or do research of any kind. Once again, what are you going to explain to someone who has never even made an effort. This is not an "invite only" site. It is a public forum, but it is also watched over by Billy and other Moderators. They can't be everywhere and watch every thread, though they do a pretty good job as much as they can. There was a "Thumbs Up/Thumbs Down" feature on the old software that I wish was on here now. Not many people used it, but I did and I enjoyed having it. This site needs it now more than ever in my opinion. New enthusiasts are always wanted and welcomed on here. If you want to refer to yourself as an "outlaw" anything, go right ahead. Don't ever make a gernerality about me being an "outlaw triker" or "outlaw" anything else for that matter. And don't lump any of my friends into those kinds of categories either. Feel free to dazzle this site with feats of your fabrication. I highly encourage it as a matter of fact.

[tri again]

and my all time favorite response. especially if you KNOW yer stuff with decades of experience.

They'll argue with you that something else works better.

They hafta learn for themselves because they just won't listen. and you've just wasted how much time?

This goes for almost everythng from plumbing to to roofing to first aid and infection control.


Nature's way of cleansing the gene pool?

Maybe some of those people who won't listen are better off with trikes that Don't run in the first place.

They seem to be more than capable of making the rest of us look bad, then everything will be our fault for helping them in the first place.

[Bigtyny]

I know it gets hard but search will not always work on here I try to ask the people I know but one tells me just modify some hardware parts to fit like this part I need he tell go to the hardware store get a bolt a spring and bb and make it work lol so thanks dirt for the help you given me and to all the rest

[JayBone]

ha ha!! This cracks me up. I am new, but before i ask a question i google my question and ironicly it takes me to this site. I agree many people are super lazy anymore in general.

If they email you and you see it as a dumb question make them send you $5.99 in paypal and you will answer the question. This way you can save your house and create a bank roll. I bet they will be so lazy you will make a killing.

Good luck DC.

[Dirtcrasher]

Like I said, I didn't mind some of the random emails. Some were machine shop related questions and some were repairs. Some were bozo's :lol:

I could quote a couple questions I got but I couldn't disclose the author, I'm not that mean :D

Thank you to the people that I do actually care, thanked me and all of this is only gonna make you a better mechanic, FOR LIFE!!

[Billy Golightly]

I think most everyone that is a member here agrees we would prefer quality, over quantity.

[dksix]

Like I said, I didn't mind some of the random emails. Some were machine shop related questions and some were repairs. Some were bozo's :lol:
I could quote a couple questions I got but I couldn't disclose the author, I'm not that mean :D
Thank you to the people that I do actually care, thanked me and all of this is only gonna make you a better mechanic, FOR LIFE!!

DC, since this started I've taken time to look through some of your post and there is no doubt that you know you're stuff. In trikes and around the shop, for that you have my respect. I do understand where you are coming from, also. I have gotten the ridiculous questions time and time again from a site that my PC shop sponsors. And at the time you made this thread I was at the end of my rope with people. So much so that I went as far as taking my shops phone number off the site and left only email and PM's as contact options. I understand what it's like to quote a job, order material and then be stood up when I was counting on the income. Though I disagree with your means of expressing your frustrations, I do understand you needing to vent. I pass over allot of threads but have since went back and looked at some of the ones named here ( and tried to at least post the resolve of the type of thread you were speaking of, 250R fender on a 200x ) This is the Internet and I should have been more thick skinned than I was, for that I apologize to you and the other members here. You obviously have allot to offer this or any site you are active in but like I said I've seen this type of thing over and over on the few other sites I've been active on. Complaining about it doesn't help, there will always be new members popping up that can't be helped because they won't learn to help themselves, that holds true on the web as it does in everyday life. But the new blood coming in is the only thing that will keep the hobby going. I hope what's been said can be put behind us and maybe we can work together on something sometime, Lord knows I'll need the help. I read that you had tried to do some forming of headlight shells and such but lacking equipment limited your capabilities. I work in thermoforming and have kicked around the idea of forming some stuff for myself, as I do have access to that kind of equipment. If you are open to the offer maybe we can work together on something like that sometime. I've enjoyed working on my 200x and plan to be an active member here. I've already had some dealings with a couple of the members and feel that I have left a lasting positive impression with them as I hope I'll have the opportunity to do the same with you sometime. I've only been on here a few weeks and I have racked up quite a post count in a very short amount of time (rare for me) but this is sometime I'm really excited about (my 200x) and this IS the place to be if anyone is going to active in the hobby of 3 wheeling. This is a great site, though somewhat hard to navigate and I've even seen post from you that the search function is hard to use but at the same time in some threads it's obvious that the person made no effort in finding the answer first.

[Twilight]

I never have much to say anymore but I will say this DC. You are by far the most helpful member that I have had the priviledge to been helped by on this site. When I was going to do stupid things like use screw drivers and impact guns (suggested by others here), you told me right way... albeit sometimes in a smartass way :-P I still am thankful for it all.

Your a great member, and a great guy.

I'll get off your nuts now, lol

[tri again]

I've been working ona loan modification since christmas eve.

Since rates are down around 4 percent, a loan mod will cut my payments in half.

They can drop them to 2 percent...even better.

start at hud.gov and plan on the complexity of diagnosing
a no run condition on a machine you've never seen or heard of.

30 years of less aggravation is def worth it

[ironchop]

*yawn* I need a nap

[Billy Golightly]

This place has always been about posting ideas and opinions. The ideas often are completely wacked out (and sometimes work) and the opinions make me cock my head and wonder wtf some times, but it is what it is. I don't think anyone is trying to run anyone off. I've let some down right pretty vulgar and hateful things stand at times. And at other times, I've kicked people out on their asses from the forum with lightning quick reflexes. This particular issue of the frustration with the incompetence of some people has been going on since the beginning of time. I for one would like to try and find a solution that everyone is tolerable of? Maybe I just care too much and want to make everyone happy :p

I know what you were implying with the "outlaw triker" comment, but there are a lot of people here that can be a bit sensitive and touchy about it. We are all sick and tired of hearing "Aren't those things illegal?" and when we repeatedly try and educate the lesser informed about what really happened and about how they aren't "illegal" it is sometimes frustrating to be referred to as an outlaw (even moreso from someone in the community itself). Its a difficult stigma to break through.

[dksix]

Billy, here is a site that I'm a member of that has addressed some of the issues noted here with a newbie section. I know you said you were going to be waiting to see if the new software helped the issue but just in case I thought I'd link this for maybe some food for thought http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=157810 and http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/index.php , the second section down for the new members. I don't know anything about running a site or how everything works or how much trouble something like that would be but it clearly outlines the parmiters and the rules are strictly enforced. That site also has hidden words in the rules that force you to read the rules in order to find the work that gives access to sections. Just for the record, I like the site and have no problems with the way it's set up now or any decisions you make for later. I'm just glad to have a site like this with such a wealth of information.

[NINJA]

I like how that site handles the issues. It seems very thorough and well thought out, not to mention fair.

[Mosh]

Man..Me and that guy would get along great..Notice how he says "Ban" about 40 times in one post..LMAO

[portland250r]

Should we start a new section called "3 wheelers for dummies" ? A section for the basic "air, fuel, and spark" questions? There are several questions that get asked at least once every couple of weeks. Maybe we need a section for the often asked questions.

250R fender fit a 200x? 200X hubs fit a 200s? and so on. Maybe the new people that sign on should have to read a page and agree to the terms before giving them access. Just ideas..

Hell, I love this place enough to pay a yearly fee to be here.

great point that would be a good thing and start to keep things from getting out of control.

im not a expert but i do know the basics of 2 and four stroke engines and before i came here i would have to fix a problem on my own.
i started when i got a bike(pedal bike) everytime it broke i would grab basic tools and make adjustments carefully. i learned how to fix tires and other things then i got a pocket bike and those things break all the time so i made some mod's and did some replacements the only time i went online was to get parts on ebay there is no known information on those things about repair or any forums. i had to choose carfully what needs to be done.

if your new and never touched an engine i would never recommend tearing into the engine yourself it will cost more money if you have no idea what to expect. now things like will this fender fit on my bike i dont like asking what i do is try to fit it and if it dont fit i do some mods to make it work.

this should be on the website i highly recommend it to people who are new to engine work.
http://www.dansmc.com/mc_repaircourse.htm

[yamahog]

Wow. I just joined this site and this is definitely not something I was expecting to see. But then again, if I have problems with something, I'm pretty stubborn. Not the kinda guy that's gonna ask for directions. I like to figure thongs out on my own, if I break it, then it gives me more drive to figure out how to do things right. Hope you guys don't expect this kind of stuff from every new guy in town.

[82300R]

How do i change the rear axle bearings on my 82 r? LOL!

[NINJA]

Wow. I like to figure thongs out on my own
Me too! I've also mastered the art of the split second one-handed unclip the brastrap technique, my wife loves that one! Welcome to 3dub.

[portland250r]

Wow. I just joined this site and this is definitely not something I was expecting to see. But then again, if I have problems with something, I'm pretty stubborn. Not the kinda guy that's gonna ask for directions. I like to figure thongs out on my own, if I break it, then it gives me more drive to figure out how to do things right. Hope you guys don't expect this kind of stuff from every new guy in town.

i think its the new guys who make those posts that are looked at.
i hope the very little group of new guys who are good about this isnt looked at as a complete newb and ignored.

[Texas 200x]

I agree there are too many people who join, ask a couple of questions which almost, most of the time could be answered in the FAQS sections on here. People ho don't understand how a engine works at all and want to know why when they added 3 quarts of oil to their "carb thingy" it wouldn't pull wheelies anymore. Most people are on here for a short while and are gone while someone else joins and asks the same question in someone elses post. I agree that a short probation period where they could take the time to learn how to navigate through the site, read some threads, and learn some basics would benefit the site overall. The more experienced could still stop in the "NEWB" section and help the guys out and putting the 101 threads at the top of there section would help. As for "certain people" ex racers, special fabricators, known friends of the site, well its up to the mods to give them a pass. It's their hard work that keeps this site up let them decide who skips probation. I'm in no position to argue. Thanks Guys!!!

[Dirtcrasher]

^ I love when I hear " my clutch works great in 1st and 2nd but then in third it njust kinda revs, like something is wrong with the carb, the CDI box or the clutch"

Again, no clue how an engine works; Most of us can hear and diagnose stuff from 50' away after being around the same issues for so long.......

[squirrel1182]

Dc i may be a newb but when my trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotr ailpro friend calls me up and asks me how to take the chain off of his trike its really pathetic. For peters sake i don't even have a trike even close to it and i knew how to take it off because its common sense stuff. I totally feel for you man.

[twitch101]

just wanted to say thanks one last time before you went out for awhile DC you helped me out alot and the trike is on its way to recovery "once all the traveling for work BS is over". take the time on your tractor and watch the fuel drip. break some drill bits and save the sport. hope you enjoy the little extra i sent your way.

[Dirtcrasher]

I saw it, thank you :beer

I'm just gonna do my best to ignore some topics and reply to ones I can help with.

I live and breathe trikes, I'm a loner so this place is my outlet; I just can't stand to read some of the B/S.............

[Jeepermc]

When I first signed on to this site over a year ago asking questions about a tecate I eventually bought I found it to be a wealth of information and everyone to be very helpful. In the year since I have noticed a steady decline in help and a rise in "use the search feature noob". Yesterday I asked a question in someone's thread who had just picked up a tri-z about Tri-z's. I used the search function and turned nothing up in relation to my question. I did an internet search and it referred me to.....3WW......This morning I got a PM calling me a post robber and telling me to use the search function...assuming I hadn't. Now..the PM'er did attempt to answer my question I had posed in the thread, but I was immediately put on the defense from the way the PM started.. I typed up a few responses that I deleted because they would have likely gotten me in trouble. I have since deleted my question from the thread. I think maybe I'll go back to lurking and not contribute much more to this site..

[Dirtcrasher]

You should have reported the post robber, they don't tolerate that stuff anymore.....

Yes, there has been a steady incline of "use the search feature" and an incline in people that just don't seem to want to help themselves. How many times can we talk about clutches not "catching" or no spark or why does my chain keep falling off? It gets old, I'd rather talk about builds and improvements as these things get older. Unfortunately many newbs end up ruining good parts because they refuse to read or learn how to use a multimeter, all skills they'd have for life! With all the free downloads and although the search feature isn't the best, it works if your willing to check all the pages.......

Also, there has or seems to be a decline in the people that have the information; Many have left the site and I personally know of some that rarely post or even view 3WW because we can't jokingly bash any of our buds anymore. But, it's not my website and I don't make the rules but it did take some of the fun out of here......

I just ignore the stupid questions now to keep out of trouble, me and my psychiatrist are working on it :D

[Texas 200x]

Yes the search isn't working like it should but with a little common sense navigating, (like everyone who found this thread), Many people could answer a lot of their questions in the FAQS, Jetting 101, general 4 stroke questions, ETC... HEY at Least the noobs who post on the front page reviews looking for a axle in a carb review can't find their way to the mad scientists lair and deeper into the threads!:rolleyes: Maybe moving the the "World Class Help" section to the front page REALLY BIG where the new guys can't miss it, would help everyone out. Right now they have to navigate through Trikeslyvania first. Just an idea....... I'm not against new guys especially cause you never know who might come up with the next GREAT idea or who has great wisdom. EX. It does get tiring reading posts where DC tells someone their carb is overflowing everywhere cause the float and needle isn't stopping the flow of fuel, While they insist its the gascap.

[The Goat]

let me dust the old keyboard off and step in here for a second... I asked enough questions to bug some people for a lifetime. Now it's very very very rare that anyone gets asked anything. For god's sake man... you should see the stuff I deal with on a daily basis at work. Sometimes I just can't help but laughing right in their face.

I'll prolly strut back in here eventually...but it might take me actually having the extra cash to get up there to get my damned bike from jason.

I've been taking up that mans garage for way too long.

I'm not sure who all is still here from when I was here... but honestly the only forums I even have time to read these days are forums for products that I actually sell. ATV and streetbike... though I'm still hooking up any forum members who come in and see me or need a part

Calm down DC... they'll thin themselves out. Oh to bring back the stupidity bashing that used to go on. It's amazing what a large group of assholes can accomplish when they start harassing people.

[Dirtcrasher]

Good to see you back GOAT, I was gonna ask what happened to you a week or 2 back...........

If you had been here 2 weeks ago the front page was FILLED with "my pullstart broke" "how do I find TDC" "I give it gas in 2 gears and it's fine, then it surges in top speed?" AND SO ON.........

You've asked plenty of questions but never seemed ignorant of the resources available to you. From what I recall MANY of them were to help you with your build and asking what works/fits and so on and that brings about the members that have tried swaps and gave you feedback.

Like I said, I'll just ignore the posts from here on that seemingly MANY people do now. It seems like the 2010 members reply to the 2010 members with questions.......

If I do comment on the CRAP, I cannot do so without sarcasm, ridicule and pointing out the basics we should all know and then I get infractions and or a ban. I use backspace more than any of the letters before I post at this point!! :)

[yooperman]

I know I asked my share of dumb trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro questions since I joine here. Most of them I go back out to tinker and I get the DUH!!! How couldn't I seen that right away. I feel ya though DC, I have dealt with it lots when I was in IRAQ. Was like what are you doing out here, should be a pencil pusher. But will be hitting you up in the near future, to see if you would. Bee willing to some studd repair work for my 350x head. I just have to get frame done and put back together, have a small garage and don't want to get to far ahead of myself. If I ask you or any fellow members on here ridiculous questions I appologize to you guys. Just don't. Want to be one of the ones getting ignored lol because I really like this site, and I am getting to know more of you guys, lots of good people here.

[Dirtcrasher]

I've done a dozen heads now and replaced with SS studs. PM me or look for the topic, I posted a few.............