tri z shift return help

[code200k]

trying to get my Z back in proper working condtion.this is what is holding me back..the clutch lever has no return at all.new cable and spring that sits on top of the push lever.still no return and the shifter doesnt sit right.So upn reading the manuals all night ive came to the conclusion that it is the shift return spring not being lined up right or in its "home postion".problem is the pic in the manual suck so i cant tell if it right or not..Anybody guide me..
EDIT.the shift shaft was replaced awhile ago so that is why the return spring would be moved or slightly off.

[200XMichigan]

When you replaced the shift shaft did you use a new gasket or sealant? On Honda CM200 the side cover puts pressure on the shift shaft and lack of a gasket puts too much pressure on the shift shaft for the spring to return it. Not sure on the TRI-Z. Honda CB750's were the same way.

[code200k]

yes new gaskets all around

[Iprefer3]

Hey bud. Don't know if this will help but here's how mine sits and works properly.
http://i702.photobucket.com/albums/ww25/swickross/bike%20parts/triz001.jpg

[code200k]

Hey bud. Don't know if this will help but here's how mine sits and works properly.
http://i702.photobucket.com/albums/ww25/swickross/bike%20parts/triz001.jpg

sorry man.i am talking inside the motor

[code200k]

this is the spring.cant really tell where its "home postion" is
thanks Ross looks im missing the ball that goes against the push rod.But does the spring look right or no??

[Iprefer3]

No prob. As far as the spring you show in the pic I couldn't say. But kinda looks like it could only go one way. Maybe ask member Mosh. I think he's one of the tri-z guru's on here.

[code200k]

No prob. As far as the spring you show in the pic I couldn't say. But kinda looks like it could only go one way. Maybe ask member Mosh. I think he's one of the tri-z guru's on here.

yea never no though.ill wait for some to chime in here or ill ask Nathan

[Yamaha_Rules69]

It looks to me like the spring is how it should be from what I can see, but the little wheel on that part dosnt sit on those pins, that is incorrect, and those are for the external shift mechanism only. The wheel should fit further back so it rests on the cutouts on that star piece. Notice the star gear change part - to just the top left of that wheel the way you have it, you see the smallest "notch". You have to loosen that wheel piece up, and put it in that notch, then thighten the wheel piece back up. That notch should be neutral. Good luck!

[Dirtcrasher]

That is the gearshift lock spring, it holds any given shifted gear in position. It almost looks backwards........

I don't understand your situation. The clutch returning and the shifter have no relationship (unless this were an auto shift)

Did you open the other side and see whats going on? The spring to return the shifter is on the opposite side I believe. But that still wouldn't affect the clutch returning to position. You should be able to grab the clutch lever on the case with channel locks and feel the clutch separate and return......

You could remove all the gears in the motor and the shift shaft and the clutch would still return.

Did this just get put together?

Edit, most shift shaft return springs rest/center on a dowel pin or case "boss", that way either shifted up or down, it returns to the normal position for your foot.

[code200k]

thanks Yamaha_Rules69 i just fixed that now
DC the books says that if the clutch is not working correctly and returning all the way then that spring could not be in the home postion.

[Dirtcrasher]

Was it backwards or just hung up on the shoulder of the bolt?

[code200k]

Was it backwards or just hung up on the shoulder of the bolt?

the return spring?

[MTS]

You need that Big ball bearing at the end of the pushrod..where the clutch is adjusted on the pressure plate for it to dis- Engage properly...Also make sure the pressure plate is on Correctly..is what im getting from your description.

[code200k]

You need that Big ball bearing at the end of the pushrod..where the clutch is adjusted on the pressure plate for it to dis- Engage properly...Also make sure the pressure plate is on Correctly..is what im getting from your description.

yes i thought that went back in. but it didnt Ross figured that out for me,my question is now is that spring set right??

[MTS]

From what i remember, the spring is right, but it needs to sit further in..on the back half of the shift drum in the notch's...also looks like you missing the Spring/bushing on the shift shaft itself.

[code200k]

From what i remember, the spring is right, but it needs to sit further in..on the back half of the shift drum in the notch's...also looks like you missing the Spring/bushing on the shift shaft itself.

yes the spring and bushing is off beacuse i pulled that out to clean the end up....

[Mosh]

It looks like the bottom tang of the spring is broke. It is just a straight piece of wire that wedges to the bottom of the case on the Z when you tighten the bolt down.
That piece should point to the shifter star and sit just below it. If I rmeber correctly.

A better pic with the oil removed would help me see it better.
Also that roller arm detent lever, has a special shoulder bolt. Make sure it does.

Banshee Push rod balls are the same as the Z if I remember right.

[Bryan Raffa]

this is the spring.cant really tell where its "home postion" is
thanks Ross looks im missing the ball that goes against the push rod.But does the spring look right or no??

no that is not right! how about a clearer picture.. that wheel should be up in the half moon part ,, not on thoes studs!

[code200k]

the wheel is now on the half moon part of the star now.i will try and get a cleaner picture today

[Dirtcrasher]

You need that Big ball bearing at the end of the pushrod..where the clutch is adjusted on the pressure plate for it to dis- Engage properly...Also make sure the pressure plate is on Correctly..is what im getting from your description.

Thats why you had me confused, there is no relation to a floppy clutch cable and any gear parts. The cable pulls the lever, the lever pushes a rod, a ball bearing helps keep the wear down and it separates the clutch plates that are spring loaded.

[Bryan Raffa]

do you need a ball? Im shure I can dig one up.

[code200k]

do you need a ball? Im shure I can dig one up.

yes i am calling my dealership in the am who most likely will have to order it. if you find one let me know how much

[code200k]

alright guys my dealership actually had the balls in stock so i ran them out of it (all 3 that they had).Tommorow i will hopefully throw it all together with alot of pics thanks for the help

[code200k]

so i pulled the spring of to see if it is broke like Mosh thought,to me it looks so but not sure,sorry for all the questions guys but i dont want to mess it up and the book doesnt have good pics or alot of help unlike you guys..Im trying to get this thing together before snow flies..

[Bryan Raffa]

Hey,, that is ok... do you know how to adjust the basket adjustment?

[Dirtcrasher]

Springs fine, did you get this in pieces? or at least the motor?

Either go see Raffa or Mosh or look in the book...

Simple motor, Z's have other issues that are a bit more in depth but these problems are chicken, it just seems like you got the motor in a 5 gallon bucket, :lol:

[Iprefer3]

Hey don't worry about asking questions, that's how things get done correctly. Believe me the more questions that get asked the more we learn (all of us). Good luck with moving forward on the motor....can't wait to see you back in action.

[code200k]

no i got the Z in one whole peice but i bent the shift shaft awhile so i replaced that and when i did that the clutch basket broke along with the inner hub so that was replaced too..I have been using the book but those pics are small so sometimes it is hard to see.Raffa do you mean on the outside of the basket the small screw?

[code200k]

now correct me if i am wrong but the inside of C shaped lever should rest on the pegs of the star right? I did look in the book but it is hard to tell for me. I think both ends would rest on two pegs right?