One Bad Mutha, 85 200x with an 06 CRF 450r wedged in.

[Chazz of Blades]

Take a look at this, It's coming to me saturday, and might just stay.

It's a 1985(first gen, sad...) 200x, with a 2006 CRF 450R motor fabbed in, with a.......harley 883 sportster tank fabbed and mounted in.

Completely custom exhaust, aftermarket carb, and some other miscelanious things.

The frame WILL BE REINFORCED, have no fear, thats priority number one after I get it..

The frame has been extended at the down tube-Fork area, and it has what appears to be the CRF handlebars with a twist grip throttle.


He says he's hit 100 with it before, and that it'll pull a wheelie around 75-80 mph.

So whatcha think, what would you pay for it?


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[rdlsz24]

Interesting I guess. How does it go so fast? A CRF450r doesn't go 100, and it weighs less than a 200x and has taller tires. Gearing, or he's full of crap? lol

Rob

[Chazz of Blades]

I don't know the gearing, he bought the motor, and fabbed it in as is, he says it's been bored and a high comp piston, but he doesn't know how much or what.


Get this, the stock HONDA chain on a CRF 450, is (and it even states it in the manual) only safe to run for around ***5 HOURS***!!!! I'm betting I'll need to replace the chain.

It could very well be a 450 SuperMoto, which can reach a higher speed that a regular 450, Either way, it needs a master link, spark plug, and the kickstarter from the 450r wouldnt fit, so it has to be bump started, but I can figure out something there.

I'm trading(maybe) my 200x(with the tranny problems etc.), 250 cash, and an xbox360 for it. Maybe a couple other items after he gets here.

[Toledo_Tommy]

Noway it would g0 100 mph . Boring does not make it faster , just makes it get there faster ( torque ).

[Chazz of Blades]

I'm still thinking that even if it would do 100, it wouldn't hold up well.

I don't think stock 85 200x suspension could handle that speed well.

But it's still a very nice trike, and a damn fast one at that. I'll be content with it either way.

[leevarnado]

looks like a hack job,put that motor into a 350x or 250r frame.no way i would trust the 83-85 200x frame with that much torque.

[cattle-dog]

look at the chain no way it went 100 with that chain look at the slop in that thing!!!! dont buy it.

[biggyb12]

One of the scummier things i've seen built haha 100mph not a chance that frame cradle would probably break if you tried to kick it over lol

[Xpress]

If it were a supermoto engine the bike would be in 2 pieces. Not worth it IMO, except maybe for the motor to transplant into a 350X.

[Kfx-xc-racer88]

She needs some loving!!!!

[200XMichigan]

I hate to say it but it looks pretty jacked up. You can get a Lifan engine that will bolt into your 200X, that will be brand new. In the end I think you'll be a lot happier. Everything looks wrong about it. The chain looks like he might have messed up the chain line so it can't be tensioned properly. And he is obviously not the best fabricator so there is a good chance the head tube it out of wack. It looks like a mess. This is a 200X with the Lifan engine in it. I would much rather ride this 200X...

http://www.3wheeler.org/vb/showthread.php?t=27876

[fabiodriven]

He says he's hit 100 with it before, and that it'll pull a wheelie around 75-80 mph.


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He meant to say KPH.

[200XMichigan]

On the front motor mount is missing a bolt and the whole down tube and cradle was just mangled. He didn't fab that engine in, it looks like he had a 200X roller and a 450R engine and just smashed it in place. And then he threw a left over Sportster tank on as to add insult to injury.

Keep your 200X, you can get brand new Lifan engine or the engine out of a 185S, 200S, 200E (with some work), and a couple others. The Lifan engine that bolts into place is also listed to replace the Honda CM200 (predecessor to the Rebel), even though the CM200 a 2 cylinder it must have the same mounts. There are a lot of options to get an engine in your 200X. You might be able to sell your engine to cover part of the cost or a new one.

[Thorpe]

Ugh... PUT THE WELDER DOWN!

[200XMichigan]

I don't think he used a welder, he just kind of bent the down tube and cradle and then shoved some tubes in place where there was a gap. The man was a master welder, a master JB Welder.

[Chazz of Blades]

I'd still be getting it for very little, and get this.


It started out as a near pristine X, the motor was nearly perfect, and he thought it was too slow, so he took the 85 motor out and did.....this. I could at least sell the motor and part out whatever's left of the 200x.

[Bryan Raffa]

that frame looks like it will break on the first bump,, love the heat and kink method...UGH!!! is right!:eek:

[thestud25]

I'd still be getting it for very little, and get this.


It started out as a near pristine X, the motor was nearly perfect, and he thought it was too slow, so he took the 85 motor out and did.....this. I could at least sell the motor and part out whatever's left of the 200x.

Chazz, Keep your trike man. It doesn't seem that $$ is an issue in fixing yours, so fix you motor or by a Lifan as suggested. i don't want to shi! on your possible purchased, but it is going to be a headache. The frame looks to be kinked, and overall it looks like a ton of work for a trike that isn't suited for anything but having a trike with a large motor.

[Chazz of Blades]

Hopefuly after the guy gets here I can swing a few other items in his face and keep my 200x, I'd probably part this out or sell it.

It really depends on after I've saw it, and trading my X is not a sure bet, just an option. I won't get rid of my X unless theres a WHOLE LOT of value to be made in this thing, and I'm gonna see if he can toss the pristine 85 X motor in with it.

[Twilight]

Since you dont seem to listen ill put it bluntly.

Its a piece of fabbed together crap. Just save what you have and look for something new. Or just use the engine for money. How much flat out is he asking for the crf?

[hondamaniac]

well im not going to tell ya what to do with ya money by no means... i wouldnt ride that thing no way no how... if i could make a dollar off it then i might would think about it but considering the workmanshi etc i would have to be very sure that there was actually money to be made...
good luck with what ever you decide... let us know.. im curious for sure..
nate

[Chazz of Blades]

@Twilight, I don't think you understand, There's no decided on what's being traded off, and I'm barely paying a pretty penny. The motor alone is worth more than I have into my 200x, and It's probably not going anywhere.

He's just bringing it saturday for me to look at and decide on something then. If it's as bad as it looks then I'll make a low offer of course. I asked about the frame and he said it was profesionaly done, gave me the number of the welder, who confirmed it, and said that where it was bent was reinforced, and I would do plenty of reinforcing myself before it even rode around the yard much.

[bigbadktm]

that cradle looks as if it was just heated and bent, its a cool idea but not the best of fab skills. and what happens when you have no place to bump start it, then you're screwed

[200x Basket]

looks like an aweful hack job. i would avoid it.

[Thorpe]

@Twilight, I don't think you understand, There's no decided on what's being traded off, and I'm barely paying a pretty penny. The motor alone is worth more than I have into my 200x, and It's probably not going anywhere.

He's just bringing it saturday for me to look at and decide on something then. If it's as bad as it looks then I'll make a low offer of course. I asked about the frame and he said it was profesionaly done, gave me the number of the welder, who confirmed it, and said that where it was bent was reinforced, and I would do plenty of reinforcing myself before it even rode around the yard much.

Sounds like you have your mind made up... :rolleyes:

Its "One Bad Mutha" alright... Bad looking, bad fabrication, bad investment... Enjoy!

[TommyBoy1971]

dont listen to these guys, they are just jealous that you will have a wheeler that goes over 100MPH!!!

[Thorpe]

dont listen to these guys, they are just jealous that you will have a wheeler that goes over 100MPH!!!

Is this a joke? The only way thats hack job could do 100 mph, would be in the bed of a pickup!

[TommyBoy1971]

lol! I just like rooting for an underdog is all...

[Chazz of Blades]

This isn't going to be a start riding as soon as I get it guys! I doubt I'll even keep it on that frame, If anyone here has never bought a bike with a crappy frame, just for the motor, then speak up.

After I sell the motor and everything with it, then I can afford something nice, not until then.

I REPEAT: NOT GOING TO BE A USED MUCH TRIKE, MAINLY JUST PARTED OUT.

And It's really not going to be that bad of an investment anyway, it's not much of an investment to begin with, I bought the 200x for $50, the xbox for free, and $250 cash.

[dirtwheels]

It's your frankenX. Do as you will with it. Even if it went 100mph, who would be willing to verify it without dying?

[Chazz of Blades]

Hell Naw!

I wouldnt trust 200x suspension setup going 70.

[Chazz of Blades]

But once again, look at it as something to either try and remake correctly, and have a nice, stable fast trike, or to part out and be able to afford a 350x(I'm a thumper guy).

[bcredneck]

personly id get the frame renforced buy somone who knows what there doing put a 250r tank on it and have fun and mabey get some siffer springs even if it cant go 100 its still probley faster than my 350x like how hard can it be to redo the front of the frame plenty of people on this site have done way harder stuff than that who wouldent want a atc 450

[Chazz of Blades]

Exactly. I can get a brand new frame and have it custom fitted by someone who's been doing professional welding and fabrication for 50 years. This thing would NOT be the same trike after I got through with it.

[bcredneck]

make shure you post a vid after for all the people who said it couldnt be done

[Chazz of Blades]

I shall. As long as the deal doesn't fall through until saturday.

[harryredtrike]

if the price is good get it.throw that frame out and do over.the cradle needs replacement,not that hard to do.or really upgrade

[bcredneck]

you could just add more metal to the frame you got who cares if it looks bad as long as its strong and donset kill you

[TatTooL23]

Honestly if it is for real cheap, then yeah get it. But it is a bad job of fabrication. The other thing that concerns me us how the front of the motor is so packed against the frame. If the motor us in good shape it is worth a big of money. Just the full head assembly can be $400. If u got it, the motor should go in a 250r frame or 350X frame. Nothing less then that will be good, even with a nice fab job and that's because if strength and suspension. I would rather have a 200X motor in a frame with amazing over sized suspension, then a 450 with tiny forks, and no travel.

[Chazz of Blades]

Yeah, finding something other than an 81 R around here can be....tricky.

[bcredneck]

whats wrong with a 81 250r i love them tiny looking things

[bcredneck]

im shere you can get a better rear shock and a 250 r front end if you cant handle the extra power

[Thorpe]

make shure you post a vid after for all the people who said it couldnt be done

Nobody said it couldn't be done, just looking at its current condition, shouldn't have been done....

[oldskool83]

it looks like it was not designed well, i mean i give you credit for doing it but it was just not well planned out. its looking like you opening a box of chinese foot and emptyed out the pork lo mein and stuffed a 30oz steak in the box and had to use the metal handle to hold the top of the steak in.

thats my .07 cents in the tip cup.

[Ironbnder]

Mine will run 85 mph just fine. I have had no susspension problems.

[Thorpe]

^^ Thats an old CB motor... Not a 450F...?

[bcredneck]

its still a big motor in a 200x with no problems

[200XMichigan]

His frame isn't hacked to sh1t with the CB360 motor, that swap looks pretty nice to me. I would ride that. I actually like it a lot. I'm curious what all did you have to do to fit it in there and how much weight did it add? There are 3 CB360's at the junkyard.

Also Chazz...I would get the pristine 200X engine from the guy that did the hack job, put that in your 200X and have a nice ride. If you really want the other trike get it too, but don't get rid of your 200X, especially if the guy has a motor for it. And if his conversion is so good, you have to wonder why he is willing to trade it for a stock 200X that needs engine work?

[Dirtcrasher]

The CB - His rear suspension doesn't look stock either.......

[350XJEDI]

i LIKE THE CB SWAP. What all did it take to set that up and what did you do to the susp. that 450 is not right ,do over ,parts good luck

[Sick200x]

CB conversion looks great. 450 not so good, poor design, shoddy work, just plain ugly. The engine is the nice point though, if you can work on the price I'd pick it up just for the engine. Then find a donor trike more suited for the swap, or sell/part out the engine and get a replacement for the 200x. If your looking for a screamer, go with the 450 properly fabbed into a better frame. If your looking for a fun, all around ride, a hopped up 200x engine will give you plenty of fun and they hold up really well too. Good luck either way!

[bcredneck]

see if you can find a 450 frame and try and use the rest of the trike parts on it that way you know your not going to drop the motor on the ground when your haulin @$$ then again that would be funny to get on vid

[Dirtcrasher]

If the motor runs good, regardless of it's present mounting in a trike, it's worth buying cheap!

[Billy Golightly]

I say this in the most polite well meant way possible:

Buy it, pull the motor, and scrap the rest of it. Quickly. It is not safe.

[JayBone]

Kinked metal scares me. Good luck. Wear a helmet.

[Xpress]

I say this in the most polite well meant way possible:

Buy it, pull the motor, and scrap the rest of it. Quickly. It is not safe.

Why scrap the rest of it? The frame looks like it's the only part hacked to hell. There could be some good profit with the rest of the parts (after a careful examination of course).

[Chazz of Blades]

He says he's not really wanting to get rid of the 85 motor, he's gonna part it out. Once again though, from what I can get out of the engine I can get a proper big trike.

[Toledo_Tommy]

Sounds like Chazz has made his mind up about getting it , just remember all . We can say " we told you so " Lol
Goodluck Chazz

[Chazz of Blades]

I've not made up my mind on getting it or letting it go, just on giving it a chance and looking it over.

[bcredneck]

at least get a vid of a test drive if it falls apart it wont be your problem

[Chazz of Blades]

Don't worry, I'll have him hop on it first.

[WIkid500]

That down tube is kinked....and square. Real good for strength.

[Chazz of Blades]

Surprisingly it's not that bad, still gonna need some reinforcing though. It's push start only right now, due to the kicker from the 450 not clearing the frame.


I've been told the kickstarter from a 450r quad will work, any ideas on if it sticks out farther?

[bcredneck]

did he do any work after the pic

[fritzy]

um that thing is a TURD... i would buy it sell the engine on ebay.. sell the rolling chassis and buy a GOOD looking trike. you asking for trouble buy someone else's frankenstein creation... Though you would be the king of the trailer park on that bad boy

[Dirtcrasher]

KEEP THE MOTOR!! If it's good. Build your own TPC trike..........

[Meat-BoX]

Chazz, So the guy put a bigger motor in the 200x because it wasnt fast enough but now he wants your 200x? Plus he has a spare motor that is an 85 200x? Seems to me he is trying to dump off that crappy unsafe franken trike to you so he can have himself a nice 200x. It doesnt matter that you paid almost nothing for your trike. Its whats it worth now that counts. Keep your Trike and try to buy that junker for the motor and spare parts for your trike. Sell the motor and your trike and spare parts if you want a 350X. I wouldnt go near that ride to be honest, to much B.S. involved. But as others mentioned, it seems you made up your mind before you even posted the thread. 95% of everyone said to stay away from that cobb job. I would trust that. If not good luck. By the way your looking to trade one of the best 3 wheelers ever made for a cobbed up piece of junk. Thats crazy. You could spend a couple of hundred and that 200x can be wicked fast. Maybe look at some of the sweet 200x builds on here. Maybe you dont realize what you own. I went through the same thing and almost sold mine. I ended up putting about $200 into mine and have easily put 1000 mile on it with no trouble. I will only sell mine or trade it for a 350X. I love the Thumpers also

[Chazz of Blades]

Well, I did it, but mainly for one reason only......


I've found a guy with a nice 87 200x, and an 86 350x, and he wants $500 for the 200x, and $1000 for the 350x. They aren't going anywhere anytime soon, so I plan on parting and selling this.......thing, and getting me two very nice thumpers. I was offered $800 for it before I even got it home, just too low. I knew my 200x had topend and tranny problems, but after us(in alabama!!!) getting a foot of snow, he called me and said he blew the motor up. I almost cried.


But after further inspection, this thing is not too poorly made, only the places in the frame that are poorly done, and they can be reinforced, the motor is extremely clean, with a high comp piston(will only run premium or higher gas), bored .30 over, rebuilt a month or two ago, with a new aftermarket carb, new wheels, it has alot of value parting out wise.

I hated to see the 200x go, and I absolutely hate what happened to it(apparently since second gear was out, he tried to ride in a foot of snow with nothing but first....hard.), but with this money I can get two very clean thumpers. I kept the 85 250r headlight that was on it, and its now in a spot of honor on a shelf.

[Slingblade]

Chazz, if you don't buy that 87 200x, Give me next chance. Good Luck.

[Chazz of Blades]

If he will sell it to you, you have a deal. It's kinda one of those things where he has to know a person well before he'll let you see them.


I actualy drove my Red about 3 miles in this foot of snow today to clear this man's driveway, so it's a respect thing. But if I don't get it I'll talk him into something.

[bcredneck]

fix it sell it for a grand and get the 350

[EarlyBronocGuy]

It better be fast.....'cause it sure is ugly.

[Thorpe]

(Thorpe waits in anticipation to hear how this things blows up, starts on fire, then pee's on itself to extinguish the flames...)

[Chazz of Blades]

If I sold it for a grand I'd be cuttin-me-own-throat.

[xxllmm4]

I hope this works out for you, I would love to hear some stories of you spanking some guy with a $10,000 quad :)
Its funny how bent out of shape people get when they see poor fab work based on 1 picture off the web LOL. $20 worth of tubing, a sawzall and a welder can do wonders :)

[audioworks04]

No a trx kicker will now work, it fold out the wrong way. I mean it will go on the shaft of the crf motor, but when you kick it, it will just fold up. I seriously would not even sit on that mess. Pull that motor and part the rest. A 200x frame is way to small and underbuilt to have that motor in it. A crf has ton and tons of power it will rip that thing apart, you are just asking to hurt yourself or someone else. You can do wonders with a sawzall and a welder, but you have to know what you are doing, and putting a modern 450f motor in a 200x frame without alot of pre planning and probably building a one off frame, is not smart.

[aldochina]

come on guys why bother!! you cant tell these kids nothin. amusing read though.

[Chazz of Blades]

It's not like this thing is going to be hillclimbed, jumped, dragged, anything of the sort. It has a valuable motor on it, valuable carb, etc. Read through the posts before you go chipping at people please.

[xxllmm4]

One thing's for sure, if its different people will hate on it :mad:
I have built lots of things in my shop that people said wouldnt work, and cant be done. You can go to the library and learn how to weld, how to use a mill, a lathe ect... I did.

[Chazz of Blades]

Even Raffa had to start out somewhere, and if I want to make a build myself this was the BEST way to go, aside from getting a nice motor and everything for free.


Now someone ship me an 85X brake pedal.....

[Xpress]

Buy the bike, strip the engine, part out the rest of the good parts, count the frame as trash.

[Chazz of Blades]

Thats the plan.

[trentmcgee6]

big daddy dear would be sayin what the heck is that!?

[Chazz of Blades]

Ha! Hey bud, glad you finaly showed up.



Ladies and gents, this is the guy who bought my 200x, the 85 motor, and everything, from the guy I got the 450 from. So its all in good hands again.

[93cr250]

take a look at that engine 250r guys...thats the same one in trx450r's and does it look big, heavy and slow? no it doesnt, its a torque monster with about 10 more hp than a 250, you guys win in the weight department though, thats why they are faster. I love 3 wheelers and like them better than quads but im sick of hearing about people saying 450s are slow compared to 250r's. They are both great, and i think it could do 100, a ktm 525 can and that 450 could pull quite a bit taller gearing.

[fabiodriven]

take a look at that engine 250r guys...thats the same one in trx450r's and does it look big, heavy and slow? no it doesnt, its a torque monster with about 10 more hp than a 250, you guys win in the weight department though, thats why they are faster. I love 3 wheelers and like them better than quads but im sick of hearing about people saying 450s are slow compared to 250r's. They are both great, and i think it could do 100, a ktm 525 can and that 450 could pull quite a bit taller gearing.

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