Please Begging for an answer!!

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:mad: Ok this is the deal,

I got a honda 185s pretty sure it's a 1983 because it has suspension front end. Just a couple question
That i cannot seem to find answers anywhere else..


Ok
1. I just replaced the carb, Brand new i mean adjusted every whitch way..
Can not seem to get it to pull start , I mean i must literally pull it behind a car until it gets warmed up a little. Then untie it and drive off.. Rides great after that untill i shut it off for about 10 to 15 min. Then i must do all over again.


I mean when i shut it off after its warm. It will pull and start right up first pull..
I have no idea..

I mean i hate pullign this thing for 20 min for it to start then shut right back off..

Anyway i heard it was spark plug. So brand new one, Heard carb, So brand new one..
Cleaned petcoke and fuel line.. Dont know....



2. Zomg, I have bought 2 manuals hoping it would help but nothing..

Got my front suspension end off. Took tire off brake cables Etc... How the heck do i get the hub off the forks..

Sheesh is there a bolt or something? I tried everything and the manuals suck.. No help at all..
i dont know pictures will be nice also..

Thanks in advance and ill upload photos tomorrow of my project..:mad:

[SWIGIN]

low compression?

[MonroeMike]

Have you adjusted the valves?

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I dont have a meter to test compression but it seems healthy when i place my finger on spark plug hole and crank, Valves..... Hmmmmmm Any1 know what they should be..? Never checked..

[cosmohawk]

If you're not using a factory Honda manual, then that would be your 1st problem.
Aftermarket manuals generally suck, and cover too many years of model / models to sometimes give you the specific technical information you're looking for.

A real factory manual will properly instruct you how to disassemble the front wheel / hub / axle...check timing on the motor, stock carb specs and adjusment...how to adjust the valves...etc.

If you can't locate a good pdf copy of the factory manual, then check Ebay and spend a few bucks on one. Worth every penny if you work on your machines.

Other than that, but I think the new carb is probably not a solution to your problem...nor a new spark plug.

Long story short...get a good manual and go from there..."mickey-mousing" your motor is not going to solve your problems.

[Yamaha_Rules69]

Didnt you just say you had a manual or two? Use your head, and look in there, it shows you what to do.

[MonroeMike]

Service manual here.
http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthread.php?56218-Get-your-trike-service-manuals-here!-Updated-9-13-07&p=947936#post947936

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Says nothign about the Problems starting it, And also i bought 2 1 off ebay and one at the honda dealership, Both suck they say lossen a bolt that i obviously do not see??

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Damn see my manuals suck..Thanks Monroe!!!!!!!!!!!

But anything on the starting problems?

Would it be valve clearance?

[thestud25]

Sounds like it needs rings. Does it smoke abnormally? It is a four stroke so there should be little to no disable smoke.

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Smokes very little.. Also i have another engine ready to be placed on this bike..

Rings, Pistons are fine,
Also yea it is a 4 stroke
5 speed manual with no clutch

[MonroeMike]

Damn see my manuals suck..Thanks Monroe!!!!!!!!!!!

But anything on the starting problems?

Would it be valve clearance?

Read troubleshooting on page 173 (18-1).

[Xpress]

5 speed manual with no clutch?? Seems like it'd be hard to get into gear, no?

As for the starting, sounds like it could be valves out of adjustment, or maybe an air leak possibly?

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it has a clutch but inside the motor.. Not a manual clutch..

Width of a Photo id good for valve right?

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aww sorry i forgot to say i have a 1983 with a suspension front end.. I cannot get hub out..

[Nightmare]

Dude your on a hard core trike forum! LOL. Most people here know twice as much as the average trouble shooter like yourself. Its a centifigual clutch by the way. Valve clearance should be .003 for each valve if my memory serves me correctly.

[MonroeMike]

it has a clutch but inside the motor.. Not a manual clutch..

Width of a Photo id good for valve right?

0.05 mm (0.002 in)

Read page 21. ...and then some.

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Ok to remove the hub it says...Loosen the front axel holder nuts,done remove the front axel and collor....

HOW????does it just pull out??

[Dirtcrasher]

Whats "ZOMG"??

You gotz zum readin and writin to do sonny!!! :lol:

I'd become a heart surgeon if I were you..... :D Just sounds cool :lol:

[cox]

^^^lolz^^^

[jb2wheels]

A picture or two would help...

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Ill post pictures tomorrow please be sure to check in then.. thanks guys....

[Xpress]

Ok to remove the hub it says...Loosen the front axel holder nuts,done remove the front axel and collor....

HOW????does it just pull out??

Remove the nut on one side then pull the axle out the other side. There are retaining collars that fit into the fork keep the axle from being slid out vertically.

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Ok i wasnt able to take pictures of my project but i will upload them..

Anyway here is a picture of my front end.. Please help i cant get the hub off...

http://i54.tinypic.com/jsf0n8.jpg

http://i53.tinypic.com/28md5p5.jpg

[thestud25]

Once you take the nut off the axle and have loosened the 4 nuts on the bottom the fork, the axle will need to be tapped, or maybe in your case, pounded out. Get a long screw driver, or a socket extension and use that to hammer the axle through.

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Ok so that is just a nut on the end??
Wow mine is mengeled doesnt look like one...

I have no special tools. But this is where i ran into my only problem, I am rebuilding this bike painting etc.. Sanding outside of motor down to be chrome again.. Ill upload pictures today..

Anyway Lik ei said i have no air or impact gun.. Just my hands and a Ratchet with sockets..

Maybe just try to give it brute force? Ok and after i take that nut off i pound the axel out? I thought it unscrewed from the other side??

Thanks guys

Also would u tell me if it is an 83? From suspension front ed im guessing yes? Always thought it was a 82 just with a different set of forks? idk

[MonroeMike]

That is a "bolt", it is threaded into the right fork tube. Don't pound it out.

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http://www.xtremeusa.com/fiche_section_detail.asp?section=116946&category=ATVs&make=HONDA&year=1983&fveh=2792

[jb2wheels]

Looks like an 83. The axle threads in and you need to unscrew it. You are correct where you marked the pictures. That needs to unscrew. If it has unscrewed but still won't come out, you need a BFH and a drift and pound it out.

It can be a real b#$%!@ after 28 years. I had 2 give me a real hard time last year. Lot's of things make it hard:
- corrosion on the threads between the axle and fork
- corrosion on the bearings and axle
- corrosion on the spacers/collars and axle
- front brakes totally trash
- bent forks even slightly

I'm a big ol boy and it took all I had and a 36" long 1/2" drive breaker bar to spin them out.
Heat it.
Soak it - WD40 or some other penetrant although I've heard some like ATF and acetone
Repeat

Good luck.

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Ok yea looked like it was threaded into fork tube..
So take nut off unscrew axel? Maybe with a rag around the axel and vise grips?

Thanks a bunch guys.. Been working on this for ever.. My forks broke where the bar goes into the frame to hold it in place.. Um the neck or whatever..

Tried welding no luck. Now i need to buy a set of forks but i need the hub.. Seeing that there is nothing wrong with it..

Also is timing these machines hard?
Wanted to take jug and stuff off to look at my rings but i dont wanna take it apart without getting it timmed.
Heard u just line the dots up but the whole TDC thing i dont understand...





Thanks Jb2wheels and monroe and every1 else who helped me.... Looks lik eit could be rusty where my axel threads into the forks looks like it anyway...

Im 150 23 year old.. Strong but with a 6 Inch ratchet....

Maybe ill try to soak it heat it soak it heat it..

All else fails just look into getting a whole new front end...

Standard 22" x 11 tire on the front i think

Sorry u said acetone?? Like nail polish remover? lol?
U think that would work? with a little WD

[Xpress]

Timing can be tricky if you don't know what you're doing. The first time I tried to re-time an engine I put back together, I never got it right (wound up selling it actually..).

Once you understand what you need to do, then it gets easier and easier to do. Being just one tooth off on the timing sprocket can screw the entire thing up. A genuine Honda shop manual is a very handy thing to have.

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Ok for 1 sorry for all the posts but u guys are great!!!!

Jb Just wondering.. I have a manual a great one from monroe..

But is this all i have to do??
Line the O up before i take it off, And when replacing it line it back up? Maybe ill leave this alone for now?

http://i56.tinypic.com/aczz0k.jpg

[JayBone]

Geez some of you guys are great. ha!

[MonroeMike]

I think you should probably tackle one thing at a time.

[Dirtcrasher]

Just do EXACTLY what the book says.........

You may have to cut that axle out, I've had to chop out many of them even with heat and or penetrating oil.

Like Mike said, one step at a time. "I PROMISE I WILL READ THE MANUAL!!" :lol:

[thestud25]

That is a "bolt", it is threaded into the right fork tube. Don't pound it out.

#4
http://www.xtremeusa.com/fiche_section_detail.asp?section=116946&category=ATVs&make=HONDA&year=1983&fveh=2792

Doesn't he already have the nut off and it backed through the fork? My bad if not. If you haven't backed it out yet don't commence pounding!