is a cr500 too much for.......

[krash33]

I have 2 tri-z250s and i am looking to get rid of them and get a 250 r and put a cr500 in ti is that too much power or would i be ok if i extend and widen the rear?

[dcreel]

Relax on the double posting.. The only person who can answer the above question is you. How good are you on a Tri-Z? Can you use all of the power in all situations? How long have you been riding 3 wheelers? What do you plan to do with an atc500r? There are some things that a Tri-z 250 can do faster, it all depends on what your plans are... Your user name is krash.. is that because you crash often or is it a joke?

If you think you are ready for an atc500r then only you can prove that to be wrong or right.. It's a monster that will move out in a hurry. Widening it with a wider axle and lengthening it with an extended axle will be good depending on what you want to use it for. When you try to tame one part of the way it handles, it will invariably affect another part of the handling.

[TatTooL23]

i plan on doing one when Bill from TPC gets the frame all squared away....and when i find a CR500 motor.

[krash33]

i have been riding 3wheelers since i was 4 my first was a honda 110.. and i want somethng with ungodly power i believe i can deal with the power but main thing is to respect your machine

[portland250r]

its been donr multiple times how much research have you done? theres a whole lot of work involved in this its not as simple as putting the engine in and riding it away.
look at these videos this is another members atc 500 it turned out good.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGUzF8Wn-Nw


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejNVmwKFe8M&feature=related

[fabiodriven]

If ya gotta ask then it's too much power so in this case the answer is yes, the 500 is too much for you.

[Chazz of Blades]

Holy crap when that 500r passed those quad I KNOW I saw a few spring an oil leak.

[portland250r]

he was barley even giving that thing gas, wouldnt blame him that tecate would never keep up.

[ATCrider42]

he was barley even giving that thing gas

ya, i noticed that too. That thing must be too fast.

[cr480r]

4 1/2 minutes and not a single wheelie... weak..

[portland250r]

4 1/2 minutes and not a single wheelie... weak..

i seen some tiny wheelies at the beginning but nothing big, i think he was getting used to the trike before he went full action on it.

[cr480r]

i seen some tiny wheelies at the beginning but nothing big, i think he was getting used to the trike before he went full action on it.

I think you may be right.. i was only half serious.. looks like a fun ride.. i want one..

[TatTooL23]

yeah....whats up with that? i was so anxious to see/hear that thing rip. and the whole video.....nothing. what a let down. i wonder if he hit 20mph anywhere??

[riverrat]

He wheelied a bunch of times. The wide angle helmet cam hides the severity of what he is doing. It also makes you look like you are going slower. Like in this video of mine, I was doing around 60mph and the handle bars were almost shaking out of my hands from the craters on the ice, but you can't really tell all that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnSjV5c3B_I

[Chazz of Blades]

Yeah, it's obvious he wheelied a good bit, he stood up with it though, so the camera angle wouldnt jump up too bad. Watch the front fender and you can tell.

[Taiser]

I've tried one. I been on trikes for 30 years and that thing scared the hell out of me!!! My 250r is plenty for my old ass! Though I might bore it out a bit one day. :) It did rock though for just cruising but when you hammered it....jesus!

One thing I found too was that the 500 vibrates like crazy. Figure it's because of the lack of counter balancer. Not sure if rubber mounts would help but the one I tried did not have anything like that, just brackets! They certainly can't hurt. :D

[Xpress]

I was doing around 60mph and the handle bars were almost shaking out of my hands from the craters on the ice, but you can't really tell all that.

Usually your body acts as a very good shock absorber for your head, so that's why helmet cams often times look pretty smooth. If you mounted stuff on the bike itself, you probably wouldn't be able to tell what's going on.

[portland250r]

I've tried one. I been on trikes for 30 years and that thing scared the hell out of me!!! My 250r is plenty for my old ass! Though I might bore it out a bit one day. :) It did rock though for just cruising but when you hammered it....jesus!

One thing I found too was that the 500 vibrates like crazy. Figure it's because of the lack of counter balancer. Not sure if rubber mounts would help but the one I tried did not have anything like that, just brackets! They certainly can't hurt. :D

you can have a counterbalancer made for the cr500. mart did it to his trx500r. he made it.

[cr480r]

Like in this video of mine, I was doing around 60mph and the handle bars were almost shaking out of my hands from the craters on the ice, but you can't really tell all that.

Rivverat its also hard to tell whats going on in yours 'cuz you cant see any of the bike for reference. I am not knocking the guys riding or video and now that I have watched the video at home on a computer i can see he did pull the wheel up a bit a few times. I am just used to seeing my friends vids, I dont know if its camera placement or maybe its just easier to see a wheelie on a motorcycle.

Theres a short wheelie in the begin of this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS_svPvDDJU&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

[RubberSalt]

More people need to wreck the cr500.. so i can buy cheap engines :-D

no really, if you own 1, go wreck it for me ..ppplease!!

[Saleenster]

Guess I am still waiting for Adam to post in this thread bout how great the CR500 conversion trikes are :)

[3Wheelingfool]

FTZ performance 370 stroker kits and the like make MORE power than a 500! Personally I would just go that route... The CR 500 engine IS NOT the end all be all power plant that alot of people think it is. I say this as the current owner of an '89 CR500 and previous owner of an '86 and '91 500's. And yes they vibrate tearibly, even in a motorcycle chassis they vibrate. And to the point that they will cause nerve damage in your arms. Ask me how I know.

http://i826.photobucket.com/albums/zz181/TeryxMudder/Honda%20Three%20wheeler/TRXmonstertopTXT.jpg

[brapp]

there is also the 535 sabertooth motors for the trx 250r's hehehehehe but make sure tranny and all clutch compentnts are in excelent shape.

[RubberSalt]

Spiffy!
A cr500 is just the starting point.. then stroke, bore, port, pipe... you get the idea :-p

[krazykane]

i agree with fabio if you have to ask that question then it prob is to much for you .not trying to doubt you just saying i have rode aalot of things and never thought wow that has to much power .and i have been riding awhile

[Taiser]

So I hauled out my "handy-dandy" 1984 Honda flyer, that has the entire 84 honda line up in it (Can't find my 85 one :( )and I gander at the CR line-up. The CR500r had 58 hp, the CR250r has 43 hp and the CR125r has 31 hp! No HP given on the ATC's though. I would have thought that doubling the cc's would increase the HP by more than only 15 hp? I thought I read somewhere that the 85 ATC250r had 38 hp? Can't remember exactly.

[Louis Mielke]

FTZ performance 370 stroker kits and the like make MORE power than a 500! Personally I would just go that route... The CR 500 engine IS NOT the end all be all power plant that alot of people think it is. I say this as the current owner of an '89 CR500 and previous owner of an '86 and '91 500's. And yes they vibrate tearibly, even in a motorcycle chassis they vibrate. And to the point that they will cause nerve damage in your arms. Ask me how I know.

http://i826.photobucket.com/albums/zz181/TeryxMudder/Honda%20Three%20wheeler/TRXmonstertopTXT.jpg

I agree whole heartedly with what you're saying, but there are some positive points for the CR500 engine. And common, lets get honest here, when you tell you're buddies that you ride a 370, and a 500, you can tell them the 370 has more power till your blue in the face but the knee jerk awe is for the 500, and that will never change.

[Brockey]

Ya it's a number game for sure. My buddy built a crazy cr125. Then one day out of the blue he stuck a 500 that was greatly built in it. The amazement for everyone was the 500 in the 125 frame. It was a thing of beauty and was a beast. He had major loot stuck into the engine but that meant nothing. People would just drop the jaw when the 125 stickered machine was sitting and they discovered the 500.

[Chazz of Blades]

Like people don't expect a 250 three wheeler of all things to haul ass like it does.

[phantombiker]

More people need to wreck the cr500.. so i can buy cheap engines :-D

no really, if you own 1, go wreck it for me ..ppplease!!

the most noble of thoughts.

[3Wheelingfool]

I agree whole heartedly with what you're saying, but there are some positive points for the CR500 engine. And common, lets get honest here, when you tell you're buddies that you ride a 370, and a 500, you can tell them the 370 has more power till your blue in the face but the knee jerk awe is for the 500, and that will never change. I'm not sure I understand your logic??? You would rather have a 500 to brag to your friends about than have a smaller displacement motor that is actually faster and more powerful than a 500??? Flawed logic is flawed... I think you have your priorities backwards! Anyway read through the forums at E2S.com or one of the duner forums and you will be told the same as I'm trying to tell you. There are better options than a CR 500 motor swap.

Sabertooth cylinder kits from CP industies for example!

http://www.cpindinc.com/pub/part_list?manufacturer=2

[cr480r]

what kinda powerband does the saber make? Isnt it pretty much for drags? how much does it cost? Does anyone offer an inframe pipe for an atc?

[Saleenster]

what kinda powerband does the saber make? Isnt it pretty much for drags? how much does it cost? Does anyone offer an inframe pipe for an atc?

Only success I have seen a Saber have is on alky. Gas set ups over heat. Inframe for an ATC...NO, and Matt wont make one either unless you nut up with 8 bills.

Puma is a better option here.

[Louis Mielke]

I'm not sure I understand your logic??? You would rather have a 500 to brag to your friends about than have a smaller displacement motor that is actually faster and more powerful than a 500??? Flawed logic is flawed... I think you have your priorities backwards! Anyway read through the forums at E2S.com or one of the duner forums and you will be told the same as I'm trying to tell you. There are better options than a CR 500 motor swap.

Sabertooth cylinder kits from CP industies for example!

http://www.cpindinc.com/pub/part_list?manufacturer=2

Get the sand out of your eyes and reread what I said before you go calling my logic flawed. I never made a statement about what I thought was BEST, or BETTER, or any quantification of right or wrong. I made the statement, and I'll add spaces and try to explain it clearly so you can understand what I'm saying before you reply telling me how my priorities are backwards.

If you tell a group of people about your 370 and how it's fast, and then you tell them you also have a 500, 9 times out of 10, people will have more "ohh and awee" for the 500 than the 370. It's a stigma about the digits "500". No one goes, OH WOW, when someone says 370, but 9 times out of 10 they do when you say 500.

Now hear me out, I don't realy care who's penis is bigger or faster or stronger, MY priorities are to ride and have fun building stuff. I don't really care what a bunch of people on forums say either, because 9 times out of 10 those keyboard jockys can't ride much more than a swiveling chair in front of a desk.

Furthermore, I've ridden 310s, 330s, and 370s. Sure, they are smoother, easier to handle engine with less vibration and they make awesome power, but I'll tell you this too, never have I ridden a 370 that's made me squeeze the bars harder and say out loud "oh s#!t". Yes the 370 was faster, had more overrev, had more usable torque, less vibes and made for a better engine not to mention had better gearing, but I promise you they have way less "oh s#!t factor".

[Saleenster]

Get the sand out of your eyes and reread what I said before you go calling my logic flawed. I never made a statement about what I thought was BEST, or BETTER, or any quantification of right or wrong. I made the statement, and I'll add spaces and try to explain it clearly so you can understand what I'm saying before you reply telling me how my priorities are backwards.

If you tell a group of people about your 370 and how it's fast, and then you tell them you also have a 500, 9 times out of 10, people will have more "ohh and awee" for the 500 than the 370. It's a stigma about the digits "500". No one goes, OH WOW, when someone says 370, but 9 times out of 10 they do when you say 500.

Now hear me out, I don't realy care who's penis is bigger or faster or stronger, MY priorities are to ride and have fun building stuff. I don't really care what a bunch of people on forums say either, because 9 times out of 10 those keyboard jockys can't ride much more than a swiveling chair in front of a desk.

Furthermore, I've ridden 310s, 330s, and 370s. Sure, they are smoother, easier to handle engine with less vibration and they make awesome power, but I'll tell you this too, never have I ridden a 370 that's made me squeeze the bars harder and say out loud "oh s#!t". Yes the 370 was faster, had more overrev, had more usable torque, less vibes and made for a better engine not to mention had better gearing, but I promise you they have way less "oh s#!t factor".

Well said. I owned them all, and probably could not explain it any better.

[KASEY]

LOUIS,,, your my hero,, your explainations are spot on and make perfect sense!! most that want to argue have never ridden all the machines in the conversation let alone OWNED one,,,

[Louis Mielke]

LOUIS,,, your my hero,, your explainations are spot on and make perfect sense!! most that want to argue have never ridden all the machines in the conversation let alone OWNED one,,,

You're welcome, I just try to be a straight shooter, I usually tick people off in the process but oh well. haha.

[bcredneck]

id use a kx500 motor they seem to shake a little less than a cr