Axle issues.......

[bonkers_200s]

A friend of mine just spent a few hours cursing at the axle of my 86 200x. First snag was getting the outer jam nut to break free to access the snap ring. We celebrated a little too early. According to Mr. Honda, you simply remove the hub with brake disk.................... NOT HAPPENING. I've pounded as much as I could with out bending anything, got it hot, banged on it, soaked it in WD-40, got it hot, banged on it............... All the while looking at the manual laugh at me, while the guy in the picture has fingers placed ever so gently on the disk pulling it off.


PLEASE TELL ME I'M AN IDIOT AND SKIPPED A STEP!!!!

[Yamaha_Rules69]

Its most likely rusted on. If its been on there too long, and ridden in wet conditions, its deffinatly not coming off without a fight. First off, I would try some real penetrating oil, not wd 40. WD 40 is like a light lubricator, and dosent really do a very good job at all as a penetrant. A real penetrant could be considered as PB blaster, or liquid wrench, they are both pretty good. Otherwise the best is a 50/50 mix of acetone and power steering fluid. I read this months ago on this forum, so I tried it, and had great luck with it. You can see it go to work right away. When sprayed on rust, you can see it start bubbling. Anyway, I would spray it down with penetrating oil, and let it sit. If still that dosent work, you may need to use a real torch, like oxy acetaline or similar to get that brake hub real hot. Hope this helps, and good luck.
Also, what is the reason for removing the brake hub? Are you replacing axle bearrings? And would it be possible to take th eaxle out the other side - sprocket side, and just leave the hub on?

[hoosierlogger]

I lihe to heat stubborn parts up with a torch then spray PB blaster on it. The heat sucks the PB in between the parts. Just like sweating copper pipe fittings (Younger guys are thinking WTF is he talking about?). That is another reason I put anti seize on everything I put back together. Cause I may be the poor SOB that has to take it apart next time.

[Dirtcrasher]

Why are you removing the sprocket hub?? Those things are on near permanent. I'd tackle the disc/rotor hub..........

A torch is oxy/acet not propane or Mapp gas; Whole different game.

[bonkers_200s]

I'm removing the axle because its bent and I need to get it out to get it straighted. Following the manual, I've done EVERYTHING to the T. I'm not newb trying my first disassemble. I've tried heat, anger, heat, cigarette break, heat, anger...yada yada yada.

[RubberSalt]

Could try to pull it out, I saw a guy make a puller out of a 20ton bottle jack from harbor fright to remove brake rotors from cars that where stuck on. It acted like an ultra strong puller.

I cant find the puller, but it was similar to this 1, with the exception of the middle bolt being a bottle jack. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6054702
Id place a peice of wood/hard plastic on the end of the axel so it wont mushroom.

[hoosierlogger]

Id place a peice of wood/hard plastic on the end of the axel so it wont mushroom.
Better yet, get about a 4 inch piece of pipe that will fit over the threads and splines and sit up against the shoulder for the hub and beat away. That way there is no chance of mushrooming the threads. You have to remember that when the manuals were written the bikes were brand new and parts were not stuck like they are 25 years later. Bonkers according to your sig line it must be an electrical problem.

[oscarmayer]

^:lol: now that is funny!

[Dirtcrasher]

Call me STUPID but I've never taken a sprocket hub off an 86 to remove the axle and I've straightened many here in my shop.

No reason to touch that sprocket hub........ Do you have a manual to refer to?? It comes out to the left

I HAD to remove a bent one onetime and oxy/acet and a 20 ton press were all that would work.

If someone needs that hub off to straighten it, send it my way AS IS (once you get it out) :D

[bonkers_200s]

I've done it step by step from the manual, it's not the the sprocket hub I'm stuck on that doesn't need to be removed. It's the disc brake hub that I can't get off and you have to get it off to get the damn thing out.

[Dirtcrasher]

^ You said "hub with brake disc" thats what got me to this point.

You have 2 choices, cut it off with a cut off wheel or oxy/acetylene until it's red.

Problem is running in the water and people rarely grease splines, this is why it's locked on.

You'll end up ruining that axle and they are pretty much rare (86/87)

Heat it up or cut it off and split with a chisel.

I'd be happy to straighten it for you, check my feedback...............

[bkm]

I had to use an air hammer to get the one off of my 350x last week. It was a pain in the rear. Lots of PB blaster and keep rotating the axle and hammering at different points.

[bonkers_200s]

For the record, I checked it for continuity. It's not an electrical issue. That also brings up another issue, there isn't many places that are safe to go banging on with out bending or breaking anything. I may or may not hate my life slightly.

[Dirtcrasher]

You could make a puller with some long rods and some plate but cherry red heat on the hub is the key, then you'll see all the rust on/in the splines.

Make sure to show us the pics!

If you cut off the hub, I may have one kicking around.

I run an 83/84R axle in mine with a different rotor/hub............ So my stock hub must be around somewhere.

I use thick as clay "Open gear compound" on all my splines. It never wears off and protects all your splines; One daddy dot on your finger and everything your wearing gets covered in this goo..........

[RubberSalt]

You could remove it like me and my buddy removed the flywheel on his polaris...

Get some chains, about 50ft of tow straps.. and a pick up

Tie chains to part that is stuck, hit the gas in truck lol I was surprised this method didn't ruin anything. It was a quad though, so it was ok :-p

[bonkers_200s]

If I can't build some sort of puller I'm totally going for the truck method!!!!

[squirrel1182]

try mixing up some ATF, gasoline, and diesel fuel and dumping it on there. I did that with my quad and beat it with the biggest hammer i had (25 pounder)

[falloutboy]

When I did the bearings on my 250r I had the same problem as you're having. In the end in took 3 people, a oxy-acetylene rosebud torch and half a can of PB Blaster.

heat it up red hot, let it cool/spray with PB, heat it, then beat it. repeat as necessary.

[RubberSalt]

I'm thinking about makeing a puller my self, i haven't been able to get the hubs off my 175 yet, I think my brothers got some blaster hubs for me. Get away from that 3 lug to something useful:-p

[bcredneck]

just get your truck and get it over with just pick up speed before you run out of slack and get it on video just incase everything goes to crap

[Aka_am]

You should really use a oxy torch. I tried everything to take my disc hub off my 86x and no go. The sprocket is going to be the same method twice :lol:

[bonkers_200s]

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I made theses. Now if I had the damn time to give them a try.

[RubberSalt]

Looks promissing!

[Dirtcrasher]

If not real thick or heat treated, those ends will give out. I'd get it cherry red before I did anything.

Just yesterday a bolt on my backhoe snapped off. I got it cherry read, put vicegrips on it and it came right out. Then I re-tapped the hole.

Good luck, post back how you make out!