86 200x axle question

[spaghetti]

Just got a 1986 200x, and it needs a new axle. i have heard that a 400ex axle will fit in there, is this true? if so that would be awesome because i noticed ebay has tusk adjustable width axles for a 400ex for like $180

[Husky250]

I had to change the whole rearend to a 300ex; from the swingarm bolt back!

[Dirtcrasher]

No the 400EX axle doesn't fit...

[spaghetti]

so what options do i have as far as axles go then? from the research i've done, it seems i can either try to find another 86 stock axle, or swap in a 300ex rear end, but i dont really have like $500 to spend haha

[Dirtcrasher]

^ Then get out of the sport, ha ha.......

83-85 200X axles fit which means the 82 250R (I believe) also fits.

[spaghetti]

i thought the 83-85 and 86-87 axles weren't interchangable

[dirtwheels]

There are two 86-87 rear axles on ebay right now. one for 92.00 and the other for 129.00.

[spaghetti]

i just saw that one, i may grab it

[Xfile]

83-84 250R axles also fit and add a couple inches of width. You will need to trim down your bearing carrier(chain adjustment area), use a 83-84R dust seal on the sprocket side and the 86-87X seal on the brake rotor side.

[spaghetti]

trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro i just sold my 84 250r axle... for 75 bucks... i am kicking my self now

[200x350xtriz250]

I had to change the whole rearend to a 300ex; from the swingarm bolt back!

Don't take this the wrong way, but I am very curious as to how you got a 300ex swinger to fit on an 86/87 200x. I lined up the 86 swinger with a 300ex swinger - not even close at the pivot area. The 300ex carrier however is only 4mm longer than the 200x carrier and the stock axle is wider.

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[Husky250]

Cut, chop, weld... ooh, I forgot grind. I have a thread on the other trike site about it. Last week my computer went completely belly up during a storm so I don't have the build pics to post on here. Here is a finished product pic. That's a 2003 300ex swinger on my '86 "X" I know it's a poor pic but it's all I got left.

[200x350xtriz250]

Cut, chop, weld... ooh, I forgot grind. I have a thread on the other trike site about it. Last week my computer went completely belly up during a storm so I don't have the build pics to post on here. Here is a finished product pic. That's a 2003 300ex swinger on my '86 "X" I know it's a poor pic but it's all I got left.

Is your user name the same on the other site? I'm interested in seeing your build. How is the ride height? Looks like you used the 200x shock, would the 300ex shock work for you now? Any pics of your bike as it sits?

Again, don't take this the wrong way, but when you mention a set up such as yours, you may want to ad that is is not a simple bolt on and go. Many folks here don't have the skills you may have to pull this off, but they will run right out and buy the parts nessesary to do the job because they think it will be simple. Then they find out they need a mill, welder, grinder, etc and the skills/knowledge to do it right and get pissed - its happened before.

[200x350xtriz250]

Cut, chop, weld... ooh, I forgot grind. I have a thread on the other trike site about it. Last week my computer went completely belly up during a storm so I don't have the build pics to post on here. Here is a finished product pic. That's a 2003 300ex swinger on my '86 "X" I know it's a poor pic but it's all I got left.

I checked out your thread on that other site - looks pretty good but I would still love to see how your bike sits now. The pic posted here looks just right but on that other site it looks like the swinger is at quite a steep angle.

I think we all may be missing the obvious solution for putting a 300ex axle on the 200x - has anyone tried using the 200x carrier and bearing spacer with the 300ex bearings, seals, axle, brake hub, sprocket hub, etc.? It seems that if the 300ex bearings would fit in the carrier and if all would line up right, the most you would need is a 4mm spacer between the brake hub and the axle nut and you may not even need that if the axle nut has enough threads to tighten everything up. I'll have to bust out the old calipers and see what the I.D. of both axle carriers is.

[Husky250]

I checked out your thread on that other site - looks pretty good but I would still love to see how your bike sits now. The pic posted here looks just right but on that other site it looks like the swinger is at quite a steep angle.

I think we all may be missing the obvious solution for putting a 300ex axle on the 200x - has anyone tried using the 200x carrier and bearing spacer with the 300ex bearings, seals, axle, brake hub, sprocket hub, etc.? It seems that if the 300ex bearings would fit in the carrier and if all would line up right, the most you would need is a 4mm spacer between the brake hub and the axle nut and you may not even need that if the axle nut has enough threads to tighten everything up. I'll have to bust out the old calipers and see what the I.D. of both axle carriers is.

That's a good idea!..... However, I put this together and took it apart, probably 8 times before I got it right since it was thefirst time I had done anything with something with more than 2 wheels! This means I seriously don't want to take it apart again to measure it out (blushing) LOL. Tht wuld have saved alot of cutting and grinding and welding if I could have used the stock swinger! SIGH! Still have thatstock swinger and carrier just sitting there BTW.

[Husky250]

Went out in the COLD garage bbbbrrrrrrr and took a couple pics. Don't remember how it sat before, but here's how it sits now. Love how the one shot has a HUGE optical illusion with the back wheel looking absolutely monsterous! 134696134697134698134699

[200x350xtriz250]

...I think we all may be missing the obvious solution for putting a 300ex axle on the 200x - has anyone tried using the 200x carrier and bearing spacer with the 300ex bearings, seals, axle, brake hub, sprocket hub, etc.? It seems that if the 300ex bearings would fit in the carrier and if all would line up right, the most you would need is a 4mm spacer between the brake hub and the axle nut and you may not even need that if the axle nut has enough threads to tighten everything up. I'll have to bust out the old calipers and see what the I.D. of both axle carriers is.

I did a little work on this today. After checking things out, I still believe this can work, but it will not be a simple bolt on deal - access to a lathe will be needed at the very least. I plan to keep working on this and report as I have info, but it may be a while so bear with me or by all means if someone else wants to do this, go for it.
Some of my info may be a little off because my 300ex axle carrier is a Lonestar and uses dual row bearings, so I'm not sure if this setup uses the stock bearing spacer but I can't believe that it does. Here's what I've found:

200x bearing OD is 62mm
200x bearing spacer measures 110mm long with a 35mm ID - my 200x also had a 2mm thick washer between the bearing and the spacer on each side giving it a total length of 114mm between the bearings.

my 300ex dual row bearings also had 62mm OD, if the stock 300ex is the same the bearings would fit in the 200x carrier
The 300ex spacer I have is only 103mm long with a 40mm ID - short probably because of the wider bearings, I'd love to know what a stock one is, any help on this would be great.

Issues so far:
The 300ex spacer will not pass through the 200x axle carrier because of a small lip in the middle of the carrier, OD of the spacer is larger than the Id at the middle of the carrier. This looks like it is only off about 2mm and could be opened up on a lathe very easily.
Another possible issue is the sprocket alignment. The 300ex sprocket hub looks to leave the sprocket farther away from the bearing carrier than the 200x.
Looks like you would also have to run the 300ex brake disc, caliper mount, and caliper because the 200x brake disc is smaller in diameter than the 300ex and 1 has a 3 bolt mount to the hub the other a 4 bolt mount.

That is as far as I've gotten. No pics today.

[Husky250]

WOW 200x350xtriz250, lathe work on a carrier? You are da MAN! I would never consider something that extreme! Will be cool seeing how you deal with these challenges!!!!! Good luck! On another site A guy did a build (with MUCH machining) where he mated up a 125 cylinder/head on an XR 80 bottom end. That man was a engineering genious! Anything is possible if you have the tme, patients, skill (or money). If I had that little smiley where the little guy is eating popcorn and watching things unfold, I'd use it for this tread for sure.

[200x350xtriz250]

^^^Thanks for the kind words, but no pats on the back yet - so far nothing is done. Here are a couple pics. you can see the lip I'm talking about in the one pic and the other just shows the difference in the spacers. Hopefully more to come next weekend.

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[Husky250]

Yeah, I have one ofthose sitting around the garage doing nothing since I welded up the 300ex swinger fot the "X". Someday, perhaps I will do somthing with the perfectly good "X" swinger and carrier. LOL