unhappy with atc 70 disk brake hub

[just ben]

I bought one of these front hubs for a "little" project I have going http://www.hondaatc70.com/Pages/FrontDiscBrake.aspx I had them send it unwelded so that it could be custom fit for my application. I was pretty excited about getting this and buttoning up my project.my excitement was short lived when I received it. When I spoke with them before I ordered it the person I spoke with was going on and on about all the machine work that goes ito this hub so I was expecting a quality part. What I recieved was 5 bucks worth of steel tubing with 20min. tops of machine work to bore the ends.which is pretty much what I figured it would be,no big deal. also in the box was a paper thin bicycle rotor that I'm not very pleased with. the real kicker is the wheel hub which is just a piece of 3/8 mild steel plate cut on a torch table (apparently with a dirty tip) the hole in the center is rough enough that it won't even go on the center tube. When I called to order this he said the parts are always on the shelf ready to assemble but when I called to express my displeasure and to return the parts he told me there is no returns on custom parts. Correct me if I am wrong but arent they off the shelf parts and not custom until they are welded? When I brought up the roughness of the wheel hub he told me that they a cut on a state of the art laser table. so my next question was if you have access to a laser why would you use a bicycle rotor and not make a custom rotor? He assured me that they are top quality shimano rotors. my daughters 79.00 walmart bike has shimano parts! but he says that he has never heard of one failing and he does stoppies on his 177cc atc70. I don't trust it myself and will probably have to have a custom rotor made. so all in all I am stuck with this hub that didn't even come with wheel studs. It will work out for my project in the end but at 220 some odd dollars I feel a bit taken.This just my experience with them and I'm sure others have been happy with theirs but I'm not sure I would buy from them again.the packaging was second to none also,it looked like they went digging in the trash for packing materials151055151056151057151058151059

[jb2wheels]

I'll pay for shipping if you just want to send it to me to get it out of your sight ;)

[RiJiD-WILL]

thanks for posting your experience its nice to know what you're actually getting.

[MIK6]

Hey benn will that pitbike rotor i sent out for my chassis bolt up to it??

MIK6 / Mike

[H2Sbass]

That hub is completely unacceptable for being laser cut !!! I can make cleaner cuts freehand with oxy-acetelyne.

[MIK6]

hmmmm... I wonder if that disk mount would fit my KX80 front hub....

MIK6 / Mike

[Blown 331]

I guess they are calling it custom order since they didn't weld it? Dunno. That sounds kind of backwards if you ask me. You can clean that hub up with a sanding disc on a grinder, you shouldn't have to do that for $220 though! If they would have cleaned that up first you might not have even mentioned it.
The cost alone keeps me from ever trying that kit but thanks for sharing. They have some real high dollar stuff there.
I wouldn't mind trying a front disc on one of my 70s but it would likely all be made by me. Probably adapt a set up from something else.
Good luck with it.

[KASEY]

all i am going to say.... i think the prices are hold'em and rape'em ... its to bad ,, there are enough people who can't do their own work but can PAY big for it,,,, so you small potatoes guys get it in the end,, and you know which end!

[Tri-ZNate]

I'm personally done with them. You can drop several grand in a month and they still manage to forget parts. Good news is a month and a half later finally got everything.

Talking about the build quality, I got their exhaust and economy muffler and it fits together like tossing a hot dog down a hall way with nothing provided to take up the slop. Best $200 ever spent

[just ben]

Hey benn will that pitbike rotor i sent out for my chassis bolt up to it??

MIK6 / Mikethe bigger one that we are using for you will if I redrill the mounting holes. I will find one that will work. It just miffs me at the crap they send you and then they pretty much say, sorry about your luck but thanks for your money.

[bkm]

Sounds like they are using the same business model that Clarke follows. When we as a group finally stop supporting these companies that produce sup-par products maybe they will wake up and step up the quality and customer service or they will be out of business.

[fabiodriven]

That rotor stopping an ATC 70? No friggin way!

[just ben]

I guess I'm not allowed to share my disgust with atc70.com over at 3wo. they edited my thread on there and moved it somewhere where it will never be seen. also they sent me a pm asking not to mention atc70.com. Oh well what are ya gonna do apparently they support shady business practices. It took about 1hr of machine work just to get these sub par parts to even fit together and that walmart bicycle rotor went to a more appropriate place.

[oscarmayer]

sorry you had trouble. yea i liek to use a palce called tboltusa.com. They are much better priced and offer much better custoemr service in my opinion. they may not have al the extra "70" stuff, but they do offer lots of stuff still.

[Dirtcrasher]

Yeah Ben, they feel free to edit posts whenever they feel like it over there.

I did some work and got a 81 or 82R front hub made up with a disc. I haven't even looked at it; I have to get back at it.....

[blue27]

I used an 81 250R hub, it needs to be narrowed and use an 8" rim

[Dirtcrasher]

^ I love that Blue my friend!! :beer

[KASEY]

i made one out od a 81 250r also,, i feel your pain on those subpar parts!!!

http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n592/KASEYII/DSC00076-2.jpg

[just ben]

i made one out od a 81 250r also,, i feel your pain on those subpar parts!!!

http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n592/KASEYII/DSC00076-2.jpgI will be doing the same for my 70 project. this hub that I ordered is for a slightly different type of project that requires a totally custom fitted hub and this seemed to be the easiest route. I guess I expected a little more quality for that kind of money.

[andersonee4]

I'm not trying to be the black sheep here, but the rotor should be fine. Shimano manufactures parts for china bikes and top of the line downhill bikes. Some of those guys run 29 inch tires going well over 50 down some of the roughest terrain. The brake should hold fine. Just cause your daughters bike has one on it, doesn't mean they only make cheap parts for wal mart shitake. I can agree however on the shady "laser cuts'" and packaging, especially for such expensive parts. And the fact you had to machine them further is unacceptable.

[just ben]

I'm not trying to be the black sheep here, but the rotor should be fine. Shimano manufactures parts for china bikes and top of the line downhill bikes. Some of those guys run 29 inch tires going well over 50 down some of the roughest terrain. The brake should hold fine. Just cause your daughters bike has one on it, doesn't mean they only make cheap parts for wal mart shitake. I can agree however on the shady "laser cuts'" and packaging, especially for such expensive parts. And the fact you had to machine them further is unacceptable.29 inch tires at fifty on a 20lb bicycle is a bit different than 50mph on a 200lb.machine. I ended up modding a pit bike rotor that I feel alot safer using. I agree that the rotor would be fine on a stockish 70 but I told them what I am building and I just wouldn't trust using it.as far as getting raw,unmachined parts,I called them again this past weekend to ask them how they can justify selling a pile of parts that don't fit together for the same cost as a finished hub. He said that they don't sell many unwelded but when I called initially I was told by two different people,a week apart that they sell them like that all the time. When I brought up the cost, I explained that the hub needs to be machined to fit the axle tube whether they sell it together or unwelded.His response was that they don't sell them machined when they are ordered unwelded because every wheel is different and the wouldn't be able to true it if it was sent machined.:wondering I finally got him to agree to take back the rotor atleast,and says he will call me as soon as he gets it and promptly refund my money for the rotor. We will see. his shlt packing may be a lil better than my shlt packing! lol