Is this a good deal? for 200 bucks

[CodyRosa]

This is what the ad says

i have a honda 185s original machine with no major problems. also have a 200x frame. two extra 185 motors and a 110 frame for parts. $200 takes it all. also two sets of decent tires one set new and rims.

I would assume this is an absolute STEAL.. i'd guess over 500 bucks for all wouldn't it?? I'm just not sure and I don't want to screw myself over here lol. If you could give me a ROUGH estimate on what all of this would be worth that'd be great. Now I know I didn't list what tires or even show pics but i mainly wanna know the the frame and running 185. I will upload pics once the guy texts me the pictures.

Thanks,

Cody R.

[CodyRosa]

Oh and its roughly 39 bucks in diesel and about 3 hours to go get it. (that's there and back)

[CodyRosa]

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Theres the 200x and the other pic i'd get the 185 and 110 frame. That is a 185 right? .. on the right side. He says the 185 runs, and the 200x has a 185 motor but it blew. He has 2 185 motors that are not complete anymore. and the 2 sets of tires. I still think this is a steal as I might sell the 185 to get my money back.

[sp8twn]

239$ and 3 hours of your time!! sound like a hell of a deal to me!,,Worth more than that just in parts..

[CodyRosa]

Phew! Good thank you! lol I was worrying, just HAD to make sure. I will be meeting the guy on Saturday as long as he holds it for me.. he said he would. I sure hope so i've been wanting a 200x frame for awhile now!

[kb0nly]

I think that was on CL a while ago, didn't know it was relisted unless you came across this somewhere else. For that money i would buy it.

[sp8twn]

Good luck Cody,,,Keep us posted!!
Phew! Good thank you! lol I was worrying, just HAD to make sure. I will be meeting the guy on Saturday as long as he holds it for me.. he said he would. I sure hope so i've been wanting a 200x frame for awhile now!

[CodyRosa]

It was just listed today, Thanks Sp8twn! I'll post pics as soon as I get it! =D

[Stephon_xr500]

That sounds like a pretty good deal to me I just picked up a similar parts lot earlier this week paid $150 for a 200x and $30 for a almost complete 185s. Good luck!

[CodyRosa]

Thanks Stephon! Good luck on your swap!

[Big G]

I always get a kick out of guys who posts threads like this - wondering if such and such a trike is "a good deal" at X amount of dollars. Man, isn't it a given that a trike for $300 or less is a "good deal". I mean, c'mon "...a honda 185s original machine with no major problems" --- isn't that worth $239 on it's own? The rest is gravy! Sell off some of the other parts and make a profit! Seems like an obvious choice to me.

[dustrunner]

ya, thats a good deal allright...

[kb0nly]

Once you get the 185s up and running post some better pictures of it... LOL

[CodyRosa]

Haha ok well I just talked to him on the phone. So I wanna know if its still a good deal. So the 185 wont run as of now because of a spark issue. He said he but a good bottom and top of a motor together and it had spark then it lost it. Said it ran for like 10 seconds and stopped. Said he also switched out the CDI. Now onto the 200X the main thing I wanted. Obviously we know motor is blown .. don't care about that. The plastics are cracked but were fixed i guess and I asked about bearings in the swingarm. He said there a little sloppy.

Sorry Big G i figured it was a good deal but i want to make sure i'm not putting 200 bucks into something that's worth 250. If i can really get 200 for just the 185 i'm happy. I'm thinking about asking if he'll take 150 for all of it =)

-Does anyone know what a spark issue could be on that 185? Like is it going to be a money pit to fix that spark?

Kb0nly if I buy it(probably will, were meeting at 1 tomorrow) then I will for surely post pics!

Thanks everyone,

Cody R.

[shortline10]

90% of the time when spark is lost on those 185/200 model motors it's the stator coil . 20.00 shipped off ebay for the part . If he is giving you spare bottom ends you might find a good stator in one of those . It's a ok deal IMO .

[CodyRosa]

Ok guys.. were going to pick them up right now! I will post pics when I get home =D as long as I buy them..

[CodyRosa]

So i spent all night with my cousin.. (1 in the morning) and we tried starting it with no luck. Its getting some spark. we pull once and it sparks the next pull nothing next one spark, and so on like that. once in awile it'll spark like 5 times in a row and nothing a few times. I'm probably going to post pics of the wiring tomorrow.

[kb0nly]

Wiring problem most likely, go through every connection from the stator to the pulse gen to the cdi to the coil, clean, reconnect, sometimes its just one loose connection that will mess you up.

[CodyRosa]

Hey Kb0nly i'm going to post pics of the wiring on that 200X pretty soon here. Then maybe you could tell me what's wrong? Or what goes where? They have most the wiring rigged but they had a motor running on it before so it should work.

[CodyRosa]

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Here is the wiring.. I know not the best and it might be hard to tell what's what.. but if you have both these machines and know what color is what and could point me in the right direction that'd be great! One of the pics was the wiring by the forks, i have 2 wires with nothing going to them. Then the wires with the red electrical tape is coming out of the bottom of the motor (by the sprocket) and the white insulated one is the CDI. The wires on top are from the 200X wiring harness. The last pic is of the coil that we had to put on there and grounded it.

If you see any problems let me know so I can fix them as I have NO idea what to do now.

Thanks

[Big G]

I'd like to help, but I'm a bit confused. Do you have a 185S or a 200X? Which one are you having electrical problems with? The pics you posted are okay, but the lighting isn't the greatest, so it's kinda hard to tell what's what...

[kb0nly]

I can tell one thing from those pics... The wiring was done by a nut job... LOL

I would get the manual and flip to the schematic, start tearing all the wiring out and maybe get a harness off here or ebay and just start over to make it reliable. The main wiring you need is from the stator to the pulse generator/advancer, then up to the CDI, and to the coil. You could literally remove all the wiring on it and just make some new wires and build a custom harness to connect those points together and get the ignition system working. I have done it before!

[CodyRosa]

I said heck with it and am going to put my 200M motor in it lol. I couldn't deal with it and just want to drive the thing! haha I will put that 185 in my 200M that has a good wiring harness though.

[Big G]

Ahhh...that's better. My brain was starting to hurt just thinking of how we were going to get that wiring figured out!

[CodyRosa]

hahaha Well I got another problem with the 200M motor! ;) Actually its shouldn't be as bad I just need to extend my wires with more wires as the 200M ones dont reach the wiring harness of the 200X. 200M bolted right up no problems as well as the exhaust =D actually I need to fabricate a mount for the exhaust but that's easy. I'll post pics when i go outside today.

[CodyRosa]

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Ok so here's my wiring. Not as rigged as before lol. I know there's about a 8 inch length where the wires don't touch but I can fix that. I just need to know what wires go where. I know there's spark on that motor as I run it all the time. The wiring harness is good on the 200x for sure. The only thing I don't know how I'm going to hook up is that white little square plastic piece as there isn't one on the 200x wiring harness. I believe that's for the headlight and tail light. I also posted a pic of the motor and exhaust fitting perfectly in there. =) and those motor mounts are from the 200m lol. I guess I was riding it with DESTROYED motor mounts :/ haha not good, not good.

[kb0nly]

Ok the little white plastic plug is the two yellow wires, that goes to the voltage regulator for lights, so don't worry about that for the ignition system. Then you have a Black/Red wire thats in your hand next to that plug, that wire goes up to the CDI unit. The other wire is the Light Green/Red wire and thats the neutral safety switch, you can leave that disconnected but just be aware that you don't have the safety and she will start in gear. I see you have the Blue/Yellow and Green wires from the pulse generator plugged into the harness on the frame, so all you should need to do to get it running is extend the Black/Red wire up to the CDI unit. The lighting and regulator stuff you can worry about later.

[CodyRosa]

If your still going to be on I will post a pic of what I think it should be. I got confused at the end a little but I think I know what you mean. Thanks again. Are the wires that are plugged in right? the ones that are from the CDI?

[kb0nly]

They look right so far.

[CodyRosa]

Ok well I cant uploadpics with my phone right now but I got the black/red from 200m hooked up to the black/red on the 200x harness. The yellow one isnt doing anything.

[CodyRosa]

Ahhh Kb0nly.. have I told you your my favorite 3WW member? hahaha Thank you! I got it going. I was sitting there pulling wondering why there was nothing So i swapped the cdi cords and guess what.. first pull without choke on and she fired right up! The idle is a little higher sense im using one of there carbs instead of mine. Now how am I going to get my headlight working? I'd love to have one as my 200m didn't have one either lol.

[CodyRosa]

Can anybody help me with this issue? Please??

[Big G]

Did you follow kb0nly's instructions in connecting the two yellow wires. Sounds like that's the ticket for getting power to the lighthouse...

[CodyRosa]

Well big g on the motor itself the light wire goes into a square plastic piece and on the harness its just 1 single yellow wire. How am I supposed to connect those without cutting anything? Do I have to cut it?

[Big G]

Hold on. Aren't you suppose to have two yellow wires coming out of the engine? But if you only have one, then why don't you just try taking the yellow wire from the harness, and stuffing it into the square plastic piece so it touches the terminal and makes contact to check if the light flashes up? You won't need to cut anything to do that...

[CodyRosa]

I tried that with just a wire. didn't work. I need a different wire to try with though. My problem also is there about 8 inches away from each other. I'll try it tomorrow with the right connector on and get back to ya.

[CodyRosa]

Oh i have 2 coming from the engine and 1 from the harness. the 2 from the engine come into one piece though and its a little plastic connector.

[kb0nly]

Ok im back!!! LOL

To answer your questions... Lets see, you have a 200X frame and harness, and a 200M motor...

The 200M frame would have a voltage regulator/rectifier bolted to it, the two yellow wires go to the regulator/rectifier and from there it charges the battery and powers the lights. The yellow wires are AC voltage from the stator, the regulator/rectifier turns it into DC voltage and regulates it to around 13v plus or minus.

The 200X has a AC lighting system, no battery, no regulator/rectifier. One yellow wire went to the CDI unit the other yellow wire went to the headlight switch from the motor.

So how do you make this work now? Here is what you do... Take one of the yellow wires from the engine and ground it to the frame, doesn't matter which one as its an AC output, then take the other yellow wire and wire it to the yellow wire from the 200X frame that feeds the headlight switch. Now since you won't have a regulator/rectifier your on the 200X system here, make sure the head and tail light bulb are both good, if one blows the voltage climbs up and blows the other. The resistance of the two bulbs together keeps the voltage from climbing too high and blowing them out.

If you ever wanted to you could make it a DC system, just get a 200 series or a cheap aftermarket regulator/rectifier, they can be had pretty cheap off ebay and such, and wire the two yellow wires to that and then you get a ground and positive off of that and its DC voltage and regulated, then wire the output of the regulator/rectifier to the yellow wire on the 200X frame going to the headlight switch and ground to the frame and you have a DC system.

Good to know im someones favorite... LOL!!!

[CodyRosa]

Wow thanks! I will try that in the morning right away. Sucks I have to cut the wiring but oh well. Never going to put that motor back in the other frame anyways. What is a DC system? Is there anything I could kype (haha) off the 200m frame?.. and hopefully both bulbs work. How should I test them? Unplug them and just touch them to my battery? haha your my favorite because you always answer all my questions! You might as well just put my motor in for me lol only joking. =)

[kb0nly]

The output of the stator/alternator coil is AC power, think what comes out of the outlet in the house, its about 10-20v AC depending on engine speed. The regulator/rectifier converts that into DC, think 12v battery and your car. The lights will run off AC or DC, they don't care as long as they have current flowing through them to light the bulbs.

Does the 200M frame have the matching plug for the motor? I assume not but if the 200M frame's harness had the plug that matches the motor you could cut it off and use it to connect to the plug on the motor. Also if the 200M frame has the regulator/rectifier unit you could reuse that, but the lights will work either way.

You can just get it running after its wired up and see if the lights work, they should both come on but will be fairly dim at idle, just don't rev it up high if one of the bulbs is out, you might blow out the other one. Thats the only downfall to having an AC lighting system, without a battery and a regulator/rectifier the brightness varies with engine speed.

If you were a bit closer i probably would have helped put it in! LOL

[CodyRosa]

Yup the 200m harness is mint. That's why I didn't want to cut it. I'm not to sure how to hook up that voltage regulator so i'll just pass on that for now lol. I'm going to go outside right now to see if it works. Thanks again!

[CodyRosa]

Ok I got the headlight working. The taillight doesn't seem to work though. The bulb is good. I check the 2 wires when its running and it seems to be getting power.. Not a lot but its getting something. I put the wires from the taillight on my wheeler battery and nothing at all. Do these taillight housings get corroded? I saw where the bulb goes into was a little dirty on the sides but that little circle thing (which i think is the most important right?) wasn't even dirty. In fact it looked clean as did the bulb.

[kb0nly]

Ok, if the 200M harness is nice on that frame then don't chop it up, just chop off the plug from the motor and leave an inch or two of wire and then plug it into the harness on that frame so you don't loose it if i you need it later... LOL

You can get those plugs so its not a big deal to get one if needed.

Sounds like your tail light is just corroded, take it apart, clean it all up, and then try it again. On my 200ES i spent about a half hour with steel wool cleaning the socket and the bulb base to get it working. They do get some moisture in them and they rust/corrode and don't work. If nothing else even if it looks good try another bulb, cause sometimes the filament looks ok, but unless you test it with a continuity tester you can't tell there is the smallest break in the filament.

So at least the headlight works!

When you said you tested the wires and its getting power but not a lot how did you test them? Just making sure we are on the same page here.

[CodyRosa]

I tested them with some screwdriver looking tool hahaha. You put one end on it and ground out the other. Works great. I cant think of the name of the tool though. I also hooked up my taillight from the 200M(something I rigged up from a trailer i think) revved up the motor.. blew my high beam lol and blew the taillight hahaha. I still have low beam so whatever. How am I supposed to take apart the thing that the bulb touches? it seems like they molded the plastics around it and it's impossible to get out without breaking the plastics.

[kb0nly]

Test light!

And you cant get it totally apart, you just have to clean the socket the best you can. Sounds like the voltage climbed and popped the bulbs, thats the downside to having them running direct off the stator. You could hit your local auto parts store and get a higher wattage bulb for the taillight, that will help lower the voltage a bit. The headlight bulb is kind of a oddball, i usually have to order them from the internet, i haven't found a local source yet.

[CodyRosa]

I actually found another bulb.. bigger one. Its one for our bobcat that was double in size and fit perfectly in there. I'll have to wait till tomorrow to clean it. Will post results tomorrow. Thanks as always!

[kb0nly]

Sounds good, bigger bulb means heavier filament and more wattage, will help reduce the voltage a bit.

[CodyRosa]

Ok well no cleaning necessary! =D got my taillight working. It was the bulb that looked brand new.. wasn't new haha So i got a bigger bulb in there now. Ok so when I put my lights on Hi the taillight gets very bright and my headlight doesn't work since I blew the hi i guess. So does that mean I can't run my lights using hi until I get a new headlight? Meaning I have to stay on low for now?

[kb0nly]

Yes, DONT run on high. When you flip to the high beam the headlight is burnt out, so that increases the voltage to the taillight and it gets brighter. Sounds like once you get a new headlight bulb your all set now!

Now post some completed pictures of it.. LOL

[CodyRosa]

I will post some pics of it tomorrow! I gotta take pics of all my other wheelers as im going to part them out. I must warn you the plastics are atrocious hahaha jk.. i will need new ones though. Thanks again for all the help.. I really appreciate it.