81-82 250r tubular swinger identification

[manbearpig]

ive run across a few tubular swingarms for 1st gen R's recently.

anyone that might have an idea who made them, please speak up

this is on a friend's 81 Mugen 360

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k557/proct103/24551d84_zps6ba7335c.jpg (http://s1115.photobucket.com/user/proct103/media/24551d84_zps6ba7335c.jpg.html)

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k557/proct103/84f436cf_zps710cba22.jpg (http://s1115.photobucket.com/user/proct103/media/84f436cf_zps710cba22.jpg.html)

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k557/proct103/1047ab8f_zpsf3647d45.jpg (http://s1115.photobucket.com/user/proct103/media/1047ab8f_zpsf3647d45.jpg.html)

and this one is on my 82

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k557/proct103/250r037_zpsfec0525e.jpg (http://s1115.photobucket.com/user/proct103/media/250r037_zpsfec0525e.jpg.html)

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k557/proct103/386102ef_zpscc7787fd.jpg (http://s1115.photobucket.com/user/proct103/media/386102ef_zpscc7787fd.jpg.html)

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k557/proct103/1c5845ad_zps888baa01.jpg (http://s1115.photobucket.com/user/proct103/media/1c5845ad_zps888baa01.jpg.html)

WHO MADE THESE??

[manbearpig]

BTTT for saturday night

[manbearpig]

Nothing?


No one?

[manbearpig]

Chalking this up as an official 'stumped the community' post...

[Vealmonkey]

I can't begin to tell you how many people made swingarms for the 1st gen 250rs. A lot were even home made and some were copied, so, it's way harder to tell the aftermarket 1st gen swingarms. PK Racing, Hi Performance ATC, Nicholson, Steve Coe and many, many others. Without a bunch of catalogs and magizines, it's very hard to say, and still no guarantee. And sadly, most people are a lot more interested in the water cooled 250r than the 1st gen Rs.

[manbearpig]

*Sam Coe

I've stepped outside the community seeking answers. Probably won't report back with what I find out. The info will go straight to the lil book

It's a shame there's not more interest in the 1st gens... Or maybe it's not... MORE FOR ME!!

Hi perf ATC and Nicholson are the only two tubular swingarm builders that I can think of. Pk stuff was boxed steel, haven't personally seen/examined a Sam Coe creation. Did bob dickson do much stuff for Tracey's 250r before they went to husky?

[fabiodriven]

I've stepped outside the community seeking answers. Probably won't report back with what I find out. The info will go straight to the lil book



I fail to see your hostility towards the rest of us simply because none of us had the answers to your questions.

[atc300r]

I think the swingarm on the 82 looks like it could be a Nicholson maybe. 168010 168011

[bkm]

I've stepped outside the community seeking answers. Probably won't report back with what I find out. The info will go straight to the lil book Great, there goes my perfect sleep for the next month or two.

[manbearpig]

I fail to see how you interpreted the hostility

I'm simply seeking info from someone who doesn't wish to be named or contacted by enthusiasts. That's why I won't report back

Not trying to wad up anyone's panties

[bkm]

No one said you have to reveal your source. Hell you could have not said anything at all and no one would be the wiser, but to imply that you'll seek outside help and choose not to share with the rest of the class just seemed a little odd.

[shortline10]

I can only remember 2 companies making a tubular type swinger in the early 80s Champion and Dickson design & development.
I don't remember if Nicholson or HP Atc made a swinger for the stock 250r frame.

[Vealmonkey]

That's why this thread almost makes no sense. You live where most of this stuff originated. Your dad knows Wax. Most of the older racers as well as some builders are still around. There is a ton of info that is still out there. Heck, I was given a lot of great info last night and some of it says that what I've known in the past is wrong. Even with newfound answers, it still raises more questions. But those questions will be answered soon as well. There are newfound sources that are setting things straight. Also documented items as well as historical mechanical bits. It's truly mind blowing. If you don't want to share, that's up to you. If you don't want to give credit where it's due, that's up to you as well. If people that give you info ask you not to put personal things out in public, that is one thing. To deny info that can set the record straight as to what equipment is what, is another.

[manbearpig]

Agreed bkm, shoulda just kept my trap shut.

Thanks shortline n vealmonkey. Enlightening. I had based the nicholson and hpatc guesses from their 185/500 stuff. I haven't seen anything from champion aside from a picture of a tecate swinger, but it was on my mind as a prospect.

Yes, I do have access to lots of the old racers... But it's like this:

Most if not all that I've met have made a point to mention that they want nothing to do with being asked technical questions or being contacted routinely. This being said, I asked the community bout the swingers before I violate their expressed wishes and ask that group of guys. There's a reason only a couple racers have stopped through long enough to be bombarded with questions and for that I thank you Mickey Dunlap, mike Coe, dean Kirsten, and others, but on the same hand this is a major reason the rest aren't on the boards

[fabiodriven]

That in no way explains why you wouldn't share your knowledge once acquired.

[RapidRick]

All you have to do is ask the self proclaimed historians. They'll set the record straight. :(

[Vealmonkey]

All the experts must be on 3ww since he didn't even ask the question on .ORG.:wondering

[Vealmonkey]

Sorry Mike and Sam, I meant Sam Coe. Sucks getting old. :rolleyes:

[JasonB]

DUDE THOSE SWINGERS ARE TOTALLY TUBULAR!



ok i have nothing good to contribute here other than shoving a pun into this awkward convo. Discuss swingarms and carry on.

[Dirtcrasher]

^YEP!! On another note, it's crazy how many rare items are popping up in these last few years.

You guys are finding super rare stuff and I love it!

The idea around here is to "SHARE" information withe your trike brothers.

I've had guys PM me and ask how I did something and I simply call them up and talk about trikes. Were all in this for the passion of a machine that is considered a "death trap" and I love when guys tell me that I'm nuts to ride a trike.....

[rg97]

I am no expert at first gen r's, but I would have to say that that it is tubular, and made by a human, probably before 1983. I hope this narrows it down :lol:
As long as you don't consult other forums like bluetraxx :rolleyes:, where people are unfamiliar with the three wheeler community, I don't think that we really care, but it would be nice to know the information that you get if you get do some quality info. I realize that "John Doe" doesn't want to reveal his identity, but we aren't going to know who he is based on his knowledge. Thats like me telling you a car license plate number and you trying to figure out what make and model it is. It's impossible.
I'm kinda Hoosier Daddy here, I know
-rg

[atc007]

I think,,and this strictly an educated guess, Your 82 and the 81 Mugen are both Nicholson. What I DO KNOW, is this. They are NOT,,, JR racing,VB&W,Dura Blue,H&S,PK,WFO,DG Supertrac,Dick Roys,Art Salem,Papasons,Or White Brothers. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. I know it is frustrating. I know you didn't mean to come off as a dick lol.. Just that you did lol..

[82 250r]

I don't know the answer but i follow all the 1st gen threads because I have owned an 82 250r for 27 years. I come here for answers like everyone and appreciate the shared knowledge.

[manbearpig]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjzVbSE7hfY

[xrider]

Paul,

I know the manufacturer of the swingarm. I need to look through a few pictures for the answer. Just came across the add for this one about a month ago. I'll let you know this week.

[fabiodriven]

Paul,

I know the manufacturer of the swingarm. I need to look through a few pictures for the answer. Just came across the add for this one about a month ago. I'll let you know this week.

Make sure you PM the info to him so the rest of us can't find out.

[JasonB]

YOU HAVE NO MAABLES!!!!


what?!


MARBLES@!!!!!!

[atc007]

Make sure you PM the info to him so the rest of us can't find out.

LMAO,,that is too much lol. Glad to have you back Fabio !

[RapidRick]

Don't tell anyone

[Mr. Clean]

:TrikesOwn

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk179/miked1957_photo/9d6c69c6_thread-direction_zps815dcd3d.jpeg (http://s280.photobucket.com/user/miked1957_photo/media/9d6c69c6_thread-direction_zps815dcd3d.jpeg.html)

[xrider]

The first swingarm posted was made by Daryl Smith Sand Tires. Ad was in October 1982 ATV News

[350x'inNY]

I think,,and this strictly an educated guess, Your 82 and the 81 Mugen are both Nicholson. What I DO KNOW, is this. They are NOT,,, JR racing,VB&W,Dura Blue,H&S,PK,WFO,DG Supertrac,Dick Roys,Art Salem,Papasons,Or White Brothers. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. I know it is frustrating. I know you didn't mean to come off as a dick lol.. Just that you did lol.. Not diCo either...

[Keith Salyer]

I knew the answers we seek long ago but I cannot remember the names of the companies/builders. Like me, our beloved sport was yanked out from under our feet while we were in the prime of our lives---Lol. But many therepy sessions later I got over it. I like sharing knowledge that I can remember from days gone by. The aftermarket industry was moving and shaking back then for sure..