ZMPerformance____Trikefest Donation Suggestions EVERYONE welcome!!

[DohcBikes]

Grab a beer, (Rg and Slashfan, etc..., grab a soda instead,)this is a long one, lol....

Although NOT the focus of this thread, I feel this should be said first.

I love Three Wheeler World. I have no idea what it takes to operate a website like this, and i appreciate every single person that has put forth the effort to make this site what it is. I am fully aware that I am still a newbie here, and had nothing to do with that. I simply log on, and reap the benefits of trike brotherhood.

Im not a suck up, if you havent noticed, so please dont view the following as such, I havent gotten a real opportunity to have this heard yet. I cant speak for the ones that are no longer on the site, but...

atctim, Billy, Howdy, Louis, X-owner, Mrs. Mosh and Mosh,

and im sure there are even more behind the scenes,

Thank You.
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A few days ago there was a member here that had a less than enjoyable experience with ZMPerformance. That member is absolutely encouraged to use the contact info provided to have a private conversation with zmperformance, as jeff would like to address his concerns and attempt to find another resolution.

While ZM did sign up for an account here recently, the thread is no longer availlable to respond to that member's concerns directly, so they would like to address them here, as well as giving a little background on the company, and just a general hello.

Being as they are a new member, I did offer to post this good news of a Donation for Trikefest in Trikesylvania, so that we could get suggestions from some of the veteran TF attendees on the donation ideas. Again, all suggestions are welcome.

There were some rumors, Jeff does address that. Keep in mind that he is a business owner, doing his best to provide our community with products that we all really need. He has to back his company up.

Please read this post in its entirety, THANK YOU.
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From Jeff, and everyone at ZMPerformance


Hello everyone. It has come to our attention that there were a couple concerns about us as a business on this forum. Since we do not currently have a [fully]vested account, we are unable to post a response in our own name. Because of this, one of our customers has offered to post it for us. From what I heard, there was a customer that was upset about a pricing issue. I am not sure what the customer is referring to in this situation. As it has been pointed out in a thread (that I guess is [no longer available to post in]), we have never sold 250ES fenders at the price of $226. We do get alot of phone calls during the day, so I do not specifically know what was said on the phone to this person. But I can tell you that even our new fenders are less than $226. Our blems are $204 shipped in the US. With the customer being in Canada, I do not know what was quoted for shipping to him.

I apologize if there was any confusion in this process. We would be more than happy to quote him again if he wants to call us. We do our very best to keep our customers happy and want to provide the best service that we can for them.

Supposedly there are some rumors about our business. We are in fact a legitimate dealer for Maier. We are not located in California which is where Maier is located. We are in Oregon. We do have our own shop. We are an ATV Parts and Accessories Dealer for many manufacturers and dealers. We are in no way "related" to or affiliated directly with Maier. Maier controls their product by not allowing their dealers to sell below a minimum advertised price (MAP). This is to make sure that competition is fair across the board for all dealers. We are full supporters of MAP pricing as it protects the product's integrity.

We have never, nor are we about to start, talking bad about other businesses. That is not what we are here for. A lot of our customers frequent 3wheelerworld and we would like to support this community. We are here to help our customers in any way we can.[I] We aren't here to take business away from anyone, so if there is anything we can do to help, let us know.

We would be more than willing to make a donation of parts to Trikefest if it supports a good cause. We have never been asked to do that before by anyone until now, so it is definitely something we would be interested in.

We do our very best to provide the best service to our customers as we can. If there are any customers that have issues, we would be more than willing to address them with you. We would love to be a valued asset here at 3wheelerworld. We are always available for questions or concerns.

Thank you!!

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Dohc here again.


I want to also thank the members that have been providing this community with top notch products and services for years, the members that have been purchasing those products and services, and I wholeheartedly believe in supporting. This industry is my LIFE.

There are many members here that supply similar things, i apologize but i dont know you all. I do know for sure that Mrs. Mosh at Cosmic Quads (maybe youve heard of her? lol) sells a slew of high quality products, and ive seen tons of great reviews! Many of you have done business with Cosmic, ive heard the raving,and i encourage anyone to consider them any time you need something! Since her and Mosh have done SO much for this site and community, they are the first ones to come to mind...THANKS GUYS. Theres a lot of great sellers in the 3ww shop too, shoot, even in the class ads!

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ANNND on to the donation suggestions!!

Im working closely with jeff to try to come up with something that is reasonable and useful.

Ive never been to a Trikefest guys. Could there be a raffle? Is there a TF build that isnt finished and needs parts?

Visit www.zmperformance.com and look through the products. Feel free to email or pm me if you do not want to post your suggestion on the boards.

Thats all i have for now folks, Let the POSITIVE discussion and suggestions begin!!:beer

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Good post. :beer

May be possible that once ZM Performance's account is at full member status, they may want to inquire with Billy about becoming part of the 3ww shop??

I would like to say welcome aboard to ZM Performance. Any outfit that is interested in helping keep our old trikes running and looking good is OK by me! :)

[Xowner]

Its Funny That he mentioned he was never contacted it about a Donation or help with anything for the Trikefest, They where ask about getting us a set of ATC70 fenders, As they where the cheapest on ebay. When we contacted them there response was he would knock 10 bucks off The price of the fenders. So either someone answering the eBay questions isn't relaying messages to the boss or someone is being dishonest.

[DohcBikes]

As stated before, ZM is offering a donation to Trikefest.

I can not and will not comment on any previous inquiries, all I can do is ask for suggestions on the donations ZM is offering to the community at this time.

Thanks!

[Xowner]

As stated before, ZM is offering a donation to Trikefest.

I can not and will not comment on any previous inquiries, all I can do is ask for suggestions on the donations ZM is offering to the community at this time.

Thanks!

Just stating the facts, I know the Donation Trike Is covered as far as plastics go. So anything that would be donated would go on the Door prize table.

[DohcBikes]

Also, do you still need a set? Maybe they would provide those, and if they've already been purchased, possibly a donation to cover the cost?

Thanks for the suggestion, I didn't see it at first.....

Oops edit, I see that you have the plastics.

Also, if it works better or you have next years build planned, that might be an option as well!

Zm does offer more products than just plastic, so it doesn't have to be confined to that.

[slashfan7964]

Now I really want to make it to TF this year.

Simply awesome they are doing this! Big stuff on the way.

[kazander]

great post and honest I plan on doing more business with them soon.

[TatTooL23]

I have for sure bought plenty of plastic from zmp. Love it. Great prices.

[DohcBikes]

Im sure that ZM is very appreciative of the positive feedback here, and i think its a great thing for us to be able to have our input heard right here on the forum now.... I'll be looking forward to a commencement thread!

Also looking forward to suggestions for Trikefest:Bounce

[slashfan7964]

I think whatever they do end up donating should be raffled off at this years Trikefest and the proceeds go to next years trike build for Trikefest. That way even more money is gathered for next years build on too o what you'd already be getting for this years trike (and various expenses).

Just a thought.

[RIDE-RED 250r]

I just checked my ebay feedback and yep, I have done business with ZM in the past. I KNEW that name sounded familiar, LOL!

[Dirtweed]

It's great that they want to make a donation. I'm sure anything they decide to donate will be very appreciated!

It was only through ZMP that were we able to get the special run of 1st Gen 250R fenders in White from Maier and at a very good price. I've also dealt
with them before on plastics for a Z400 and it was a smooth transaction.

[Louis Mielke]

At this point they're welcome to donate anything trike related for the give away table but the raffle trike is covered as far as plastic is concerned. Thank you.

[Louis Mielke]

Also, DOHCBikes thank you from the moderation team. It's not often anything like that is said. It's hard to keep the world happy. You all have no idea the sea of emails and pm's and reported posts we get because someone doesn't like some little thing or thinks they where mistreated. I think most members forget the fact that there are thousands of people on this forum, even if they don't all post at once.

[MRSOUND]

It was only through ZMP that were we able to get the special run of 1st Gen 250R fenders in White from Maier and at a very good price.
Jeff was very easy to deal with through the whole transaction. Kept us informed through the whole process and got the fenders to us a lot quicker than any of us anticipated! They even shipped them directly to each individual which saved time and money of shipping them all to me and then me having to ship them back out. A great experience and I'm eager to see what they may donate. That being said, my only issue with this thread is the "cuddos" for donating is usually done for everyone involved in 1 thread by the builder or organizer. Let's not forget that there are many others who have, and continue to donate time, money, and product to TF and maintenance of this site and don't have a sole thread dedicated to what they have or will contribute.

[DohcBikes]

Loius, Xowner, I may go ahead and pm you to see what we can set up here. I'm sure that if this donation process goes smoothly, that you guys will have a regular donation sponsor on your hands!!

Mr. Sound, I appreciate your concern and thank you for mentioning that, this is not "kudos" or a feedback thread.

Obviously there was more than one focus on the post, but most importantly It is intended to garner suggestions for the donations to trikefest.

Louis and X-owner have indicated that the door give away would probably be the best option for this year, so if we could get suggestions on what items might the best that would be great!

[Xowner]

Fabio and El Camexican If you guys cant post something that retains to the thread please keep your Traps shut. Fair warning for everyone. Next one gets a Short VACATION.

Back to Zmperformace, Sohc If you would like please have Zm PM me and lets see if we can get them involved in something constructive and positive.

Thanks

[DohcBikes]

Will do X-owner......

That's what I was hoping for, as I just don't know enough about trikefest or the donation process to handle it as efficiently as I would like to. Just glad to get something moving on it!

[emmie357]

Tell him we want red tecate fenders... then he will be forced to buy 10 and the other 9 will be up for sale :naughty:

[DohcBikes]

He has already asked me about offering the 84-85 T3 fenders in red. I think you tecate guys will like what i told him;)

Also, for us 200x fans, I told him i really needed some black 1st gen shrouds. The outlook is good on that inquiry...

If you guys really want a product to be offered, my suggestion would be to gather a group and each email them,, because they base what they offer on what they are hearing they need. As im sure others here can attest, its very hard to make a mold profitable.

[emmie357]

I messaged him a month or two ago about red tecate fenders. He said he would consider it in the future, I ended up buying a black set off of him.
He also told me he likely won't do any more white.

[DohcBikes]

Since hes seriously considering the red right now, the more tecate guys that speak up the better! From what i am interpreting, it has just as much to do with interest as commitment, since the mold is already built.

I also really want a set of 200x fenders in blue, so im hoping to get a group together on that later this year.

[Scootertrash]

I am happy to see something positive happen out of this. I haven't done business with ZM before, but have plans for a set of black plastics for a project I have on my list.

Now if they would make a run of black scoops for the 200X.........:naughty:.......

[DohcBikes]

JEEZ SCOOTER didnt you see my post lol.....


Also, for us 200x fans, I told him i really needed some black 1st gen shrouds. The outlook is good on that inquiry...


NEWS BULLETIN.... 200X SCOOPS IN BLACK, VERY LIKELY....:Bounce:beer

Ha, i now see that i originally posted the word shrouds, I understand the confusion:welcome:

[fabiodriven]

Put me down for a red front Tecate fender! The one on the XR is *sigh* painted.

And my apologies for bringing up such a filthy and unnatural thought.

[ironchop]

I would buy a whole set of new red A1 A2 tecate fenders......how about a red number plate to go with?

[slashfan7964]

How about a headlight shroud for the second gen 200X? Possibly a 350X light shroud?

[honda200x1987]

I would love to see the 1986-87 200X headlight case reproduced but for now I guess the 86 250R case will do. I have seen ZMPERFORMANCE on ebay, I will be buying from them since they are showing us some support.
How about a headlight shroud for the second gen 200X? Possibly a 350X light shroud?

[El Camexican]

Bought a set of white Tri-Z plastic from ZM, great price
It fit perfect
Then I bought an air box shroud and rad shrouds from Mrs. Mosh, nice parts.
Enough about that

Maier makes a nice product
Everyone should support them regardless of who they distribute to
X

[jeswinehart]

May I suggest purchasing a few of these >>> http://shop.3wheelerworld.com/productdetails.php?productid=227

[MRSOUND]

Good call John! 5 coming my way!

[DohcBikes]

For the tecate guys, good news. Jeff says that after reading the thread today, when he puts in the next order for green, he's probably going to get the red as well.

Blue 200x, I know its probably not a popular idea, but pm me because he said if I can get just a couple more guys he would maybe be able to pull that off as well.

If you contact zm directly about the products they can do a little better deal than on eBay, and that's because of fees. I'm sure the site would appreciate it if you let em know you are a member here as well.

I did direct him to Xowners pm for the trikefest discussion, and the last thing I will say FOR them is that they will be posting in the new member area, and to look forward to seeing them on the boards!


Jeff is watching this thread for production suggestions, so as long as the mods don't mind, that could continue! Sounds like the 86-87 200x scoops are a real possibility as well.

[El Camexican]

For the tecate guys, good news. Jeff says that after reading the thread today, when he puts in the next order for green, he's probably going to get the red as well.

Blue 200x, I know its probably not a popular idea, but pm me because he said if I can get just a couple more guys he would maybe be able to pull that off as well.

If you contact zm directly about the products they can do a little better deal than on eBay, and that's because of fees. I'm sure the site would appreciate it if you let em know you are a member here as well.

I did direct him to Xowners pm for the trikefest discussion, and the last thing I will say FOR them is that they will be posting in the new member area, and to look forward to seeing them on the boards!


Jeff is watching this thread for production suggestions, so as long as the mods don't mind, that could continue! Sounds like the 86-87 200x scoops are a real possibility as well.

Nice job!:beer I hope they end up in the 3WW store. Maybe you'll get those 225 fenders some day!

[DohcBikes]

No thanks to me but its a good deal... I'm not buying red tecate plastic lol....but the Honda and Yamaha stuff, I will be definitely hoping for... definitely speak up about the 225 plastics if you want em!!

It would be great if we could just get what we wanted but I realize the market on some of the stuff is just too small.

And hell yes it would be great to see some stuff from them in the 3ww Shop!!

[slashfan7964]

Any Yamaha plastics is definitely worth it IMO. It will make restorations easier and more people might be willing to tackle them if they can get fresh plastics.

Any restored trike is a trike saved. And like I said before, headlight shells would definitely be a plus (and I have support on that too!). Shrouds are always good...basically anything they don't already have I'd like to see hit the production line at some point.

[Scootertrash]

JEEZ SCOOTER didnt you see my post lol.....



NEWS BULLETIN.... 200X SCOOPS IN BLACK, VERY LIKELY....:Bounce:beer

Ha, i now see that i originally posted the word shrouds, I understand the confusion:welcome:

Nope, I missed that. A squirrel probably ran by the window or something. I'm easily distracted:beer

I'm in no hurry for my black plastics, I think I'll wait and see if they set up in the store to avoid the ebay fees. :naughty:

Any chance they's be doing the 350X headlight shells? I'm planning on going with a greenhuman fiberglass one right now, but if ZM made one the colors would match perfectly. ;)

[bkm]

250r low profile fenders.

[El Camexican]

Put me down for a red front Tecate fender! The one on the XR is *sigh* painted.

And my apologies for bringing up such a filthy and unnatural thought.

It’s ok buddy, no need to apologize. Few amongst us hasn’t lusted for a nice shiny red fender at some point.

[emmie357]

No thanks to me but its a good deal... I'm not buying red tecate plastic lol....but the Honda and Yamaha stuff, I will be definitely hoping for... definitely speak up about the 225 plastics if you want em!!

It would be great if we could just get what we wanted but I realize the market on some of the stuff is just too small.

And hell yes it would be great to see some stuff from them in the 3ww Shop!!

YTM200 and 225 plastics would be great, as nobody makes them... but I don't think maier has a mold for either.

[DohcBikes]

Nope they sure don't man... but 'it would be a lot cooler if they did'.......

[lokisbuddy]

Good job Damon! I got my plastics from zm and I want to say in the past I got some colored fuel tubing but may be wrong. I think for donations it should be something universal like handlebars or something like that. God I hope I can make it to trikefest this year. kinda hard with no lic. :( I will have it back soon hopefully.

[DohcBikes]

Justin, I think its good for the members of 3WW to have the ears a little closer now.
Didn't know you got your scoops and fender from them , that's great! Even though you bought the wrong fender, according to Rg97;):lol:

I was just looking at some white plastics for a future build :shiftyeyes:

Glamy, good thinking my man, good thinking:beer

[fabiodriven]

For the record, I could really use a red Tecate fender.
Umpteen thanks to those who have made this happen.
Could lead to some really cool things production wise.
Keeping these machines together does get tougher with time.

One of these days I'll grow out of these machines.
For fack's sake, who am I kidding?
Fortunately we have great companies out there supporting three wheelers!
X

[muthey]

I am willing to donate a unbroken yellow ytm 200 rear fender for maier to make a mold if there is enough demand I have no use for it and the bike it came off of has since been parted and sold but the fender still remains in my stock pile along with the plastic seat pan I no longer have the tank skin sold that a couple of years ago and the front fender was broken up on the back side, but the rear was perfect. If this could be an option let me know and we can figure out a way to get it to maier. I wish I had a spare set of 225 reaers to send to get a mold made as I still have my 225, but maybe their is a member with a set of plastics will to spare them for a mold to be made.

[bkm]

This is all wishful thinking unless ZM or someone on here wants to pony up thousands of dollars for molds. If it was as easy as sending in a set of fenders to replicate, and then blamo, fenders magically appear, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Hell all I want is a fender that Maier used to sell the hell out of, but for some reason thought it would be wise to trash the mold. If they wanted crazy money to repop number plates, what do you think a rear fender mold is going to cost? Then factor in who is going to buy Yamaha 225 fenders. You might sell a set a year if you're lucky.

Not trying to be Debbie Downer here, but rather bring some people back down to reality, and the reality is if there was money to be made the fenders would be in their catalog, although I still believe there is a demand for 250r low pro's. Just check out what a ratty set goes for on ebay.

[DohcBikes]

The YTM mold is being considered.

Aim high folks, you certainly won't get it if you don't speak up.

As I said before, molds are expensive.

[MRSOUND]

Maier had a YTM 200 mold at one time (rear). I parted a bike with them on. Not saying they still have it but it did exist.

[DohcBikes]

I've already polished 2 sets of YTM plastic this year, I would have bought new for both if available. That's 2 sets from one guy this year. Just me.

Speak up 225 guys. bkm is right, if it won't sell they won't make it.

We won't get everything we want, but its all about showing the dealers that there IS a market. If we say there's no market, then there's no chance of getting what we need.

Its just a wish list, but some of these things are going to make it to the market if we keep asking.

[oile]

i know of 8 sets of low pro honda 85/86 250r fenders would be sold if they would do those fenders also i know of 11 sets of short track shrouds coud be sold.

[bkm]

i know of 8 sets of low pro honda 85/86 250r fenders would be sold if they would do those fenders also i know of 11 sets of short track shrouds coud be sold.

I would buy a new set in a heartbeat and have been on record as saying so numerous times. This is one fender I think they screwed the pooch on. With the racing scene coming back into the picture, I think it would be a good seller.

[El Camexican]

I like to know what a set of rear fender molds costs. I would guess, $20,000 for dies, $50 to pop a fender and a wholesale price of $100

If these were the numbers the would be investor would break even at 400 fenders. However there is a cost to money as well. If it took 5 years to sell the first 400 fenders the investor lost an opportunity to make say 5% on his $20,000, so add another $2,500 to the expense column, or another 50 fenders that would need to be sold in the first 5 years.

I’m not done. Those molds don’t last forever. I would assume that they should hold up for at least 500 fenders, maybe even thousands, but they can crack and suffer handling damage as well.

So, everyone who wants a YTM rear fender raise your hand, if we get 50 guys on board they will only be $450 each!

[slashfan7964]

Good things to come guys as long as the suggestions keep coming.

[bkm]

I like to know what a set of rear fender molds costs. I would guess, $20,000 for dies, $50 to pop a fender and a wholesale price of $100

If these were the numbers the would be investor would break even at 400 fenders. However there is a cost to money as well. If it took 5 years to sell the first 400 fenders the investor lost an opportunity to make say 5% on his $20,000, so add another $2,500 to the expense column, or another 50 fenders that would need to be sold in the first 5 years.

I’m not done. Those molds don’t last forever. I would assume that they should hold up for at least 500 fenders, maybe even thousands, but they can crack and suffer handling damage as well.

So, everyone who wants a YTM rear fender raise your hand, if we get 50 guys on board they will only be $450 each!I might be completely speaking over my head, but being that these are vacuumed formed fenders, would the dies cost that much?? Honest question.

[DohcBikes]

One thing is for sure.

If we all convince each other that its not worth even trying, then things will surely not get made.....

Great discussion guys, sounds like the 250r low pros are badly needed!

[bkm]

One thing is for sure.

If we all convince each other that its not worth even trying, then things will surely not get made.....

Great discussion guys, sounds like the 250r low pros are badly needed!

I might be in the minority, but I think they would sell. The last Nice set of low pro's on ebay had a nice seat with them, went for close to $600. The seat was probably worth $250.

[El Camexican]

I might be completely speaking over my head, but being that these are vacuumed formed fenders, would the dies cost that much?? Honest question.

Not sure, I’m no plastics expect, but I’ve been quoted over $20K for high volume injection molds for small parts 8” long, 2” deep and this week I’m getting quotes on some plastic packaging that I think are stamped. Those are about 15” X 12” and 1.5” deep and we’re looking at over $2,500 for aluminum dies. This is where I’m getting my speculative numbers from. Maiers would be the ones to ask.

[Mr. Clean]

200x low profile race fender would be nice.

[jakep53]

I'd probably be up for a set of 225 fenders!!!

[86T3]

2Nd gen Tecate low profile fenders would be nice. Not too sure of the interest but i have an original to be copied. We're going to make them out of fiberglass once some projects get finished but im sure plastic ones would be more desirable

[RIDE-RED 250r]

I wouldn't mind seeing the low-pro R fenders.... I don't NEED a set pesay as the set I bought back in '95 is still in really good shape... ;)

I can tell you from personal experience that Low-Pro R fenders would sell... I have had several members offer to buy mine from me.

[Howdy]

Lets not turn this thread into a sales thread. Selling goes in the classifieds or they will be deleted.
FYI, it is in the Rules.
Howdy

[DohcBikes]

Thanks Howdy. For those that saw that, probably not a good idea to offer products in this thread, ;)...

All the same, I hope that particular deal goes through for that member:Bounce

Plastics availability suggestions/wishlist seems to be the theme for the thread now:beer

[slashfan7964]

How about every piece of plastic for every trike made? Haha.

[DohcBikes]

Jeff has sent me an email in regard to this donation, Xowner could you check your PM... he says he hasn't heard back yet and was wondering if maybe you missed it.

I went ahead and sent a pm to Louis as well because after all thats been hashed out here Im sure the community would really like to see this go down, and have a great sponsor for trikefest join the fun!

Well, one note of production progress.......Black 1st gen 200x scoops are on order and will be available soon!!! PM me if you want on the list!!