bboyrise investing $85K to remake the Dunlop Kt577 tire

[Mr. Clean]

So I logged in this morning and it seems user bboyrise is claiming to be investing $85K to get the Dunlop KT577 tire reproduced. It is the same message multiple times in multiple locations. :rolleyes:

This has been going on for quite some time, I am going to go out on a limb and call this one like I see it. :crazy:

[Billy Golightly]

I've talked to him a bit via PM - seems legit. Obviously wants to make sure the word gets out with that kind of investment, but need to not flood the forum in all 4 corners either :)

[M.Pargiello]

I don't see the ROI on this....

And I could think of 85k better ways to invest 85K...

Unless he is just plain loaded and doing it for the love of the machines.

[jeswinehart]

Or in the world of business, a sure fire business write off for future use

[honda200x1987]

I private msg him, we will see in a month or two I guess.... Love to see the KT576 done also

When will these tires be available to buy??





Quote Originally Posted by bboyrise

We'll one project at a time, am coming out with the 20x10.00x9 rear tire. Was the Dunlop kt577a, now they are cheetah hp577c high performance tire. I can't have them stamped with an 86 because that was the year produced. And on top of that all them tires from them years are expired an not under warranty, so I am coming out with this model first which people are asking for them left and right. If you don't mind spread the word out on your public page to your group friends about this tire Dunlop kt577a coming out soon as hp577c high performance cheetah tire 20x10.00x9. Same performance and aggressive tread pattern.
If you have any other questions feel free to ask,
Make it a grate day.
They will be up for sale in the next 30 to 60 days

[nd4speed]

Is this like the greatest rear tire ever? Forgive my ignorance but I dont get it.

Good luck with the business plan...wish I had $85,000.

[Mr. Clean]

http://www.3wheelerworld.com/group.php?discussionid=1195&do=discuss

This was posted on 5/3/2014 in the Kawasaki group.

5/3/2014 in the 1st and 2nd gen 250r group.

http://www.3wheelerworld.com/group.php?discussionid=1197&do=discuss

[cap]

I don't know, if your in the ATV tire business it might not be such a bad move to bring back a popular design. He needs to sell 240 pairs @ 300$ to get his ROI.
I bet he sells that over a couple years easy.

[Mr. Clean]

I don't know, if your in the ATV tire business it might not be such a bad move to bring back a popular design. He needs to sell 240 pairs @ 300$ to get his ROI.
I bet he sells that over a couple years easy.

Might need to check your math. 240 x $300 = $72,000 he initially claimed to invest $50K and is now claiming to invest $85,000.

For you guys that believe this is legit, why not offer to send money in advance to get your set and be first in line?

He claims this is his TPC. http://www.3wheelerworld.com/album.php?albumid=2253&attachmentid=200608

http://www.3wheelerworld.com/album.php?albumid=2253&attachmentid=200609

It is Tatool23's TPC.

http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthread.php/147148-Silver-Lake-Michigan-Dune-Ride-Pics

[cap]

Might need to check your math. 240 x $300 = $72,000 he initially claimed to invest $50K and is now claiming to invest $85,000.

For you guys that believe this is legit, why not offer to send money in advance to get your set and be first in line?

Think I'd know better than to do math in public! (283.3 pairs?)

[Mr. Clean]

Think I'd know better than to do math in public! (283.3 pairs?)

Not sure how you split tires into .3 but yes your math at your estimated price is $10 short of $85K. This "person" would have to sell 284 pairs to make his first profit at your estimated price.

[honda200x1987]

Thanks Mr. Clean, I see he posted this back in May also, I didn't think it was legit.

[New2Tri-Z]

That is definately Tatool23's bike. Maybe he sold it?? :crazy: Guys this has to be spam for sure but who knows??

[BOB MARLIN]

What am I missing?. When I go online and do a search on those tires I find them available for $60. They look like stock 250r tires.

[Mr. Clean]

What am I missing?. When I go online and do a search on those tires I find them available for $60. They look like stock 250r tires.

Link? The Dunlop rear 250r tires have been discontinued for some time, if you found them you might want to buy them up and not post the link.

[manbearpig]

Somethin strange... in the Neighborhood


Who you gonna call?



FABIO! he'll get to the bottom of this

[BOB MARLIN]

Mike, I imagine you've already checked out every possible place online. Are they just advertised and not available ?. Some of them say "out of stock" or "no longer available" but a couple went all the way through to checkout and to pay pal. I did not go through with the transaction,Cause I don't want them.
I took mine (with about 70 percent tread) off my R because I don't like them. Much happier with the "Tech 4's" that I replaced them with. Do folks just wan't them for restoration?. Or am I just nuts.

[Mr. Clean]

Mike, I imagine you've already checked out every possible place online. Are they just advertised and not available ?. Some of them say "out of stock" or "no longer available" but a couple went all the way through to checkout and to pay pal. I did not go through with the transaction,Cause I don't want them.
I took mine (with about 70 percent tread) off my R because I don't like them. Much happier with the "Tech 4's" that I replaced them with. Do folks just wan't them for restoration?. Or am I just nuts.

With many of the dicso parts and pieces for these trikes most online retailers will let you pay for them and then contact you that what you ordered is no longer available. I figure they do this to try to get you to buy something else or they simply cannot account for all the parts that go disco on a regular basis. A couple months ago I tried to buy some OEM front tires and paid online. About a month later with no update I called and was told they could get me something similar. Ironic thing was it was in the same "reported" location as bboy....Miami, FL.


Or am I just nuts.

Heck no! I consider most everyone to be nuts, and your not one of them.

[Mr. Clean]

Somethin strange... in the Neighborhood


Who you gonna call?



FABIO! he'll get to the bottom of this

I dunno, Fabio usually only gets involved when someone has been swindled. He may however make an exception, one could only hope.

Oh by the way manbearpig seems bboy was so excited he messaged you four times on the same day to tell you this amazing news about the cheetah hp577c high performance tire, that has the same performance and aggressive tread pattern as the OEM. :Bounce

http://www.3wheelerworld.com/member.php/26000-manbearpig#vmessage4421

[Billy Golightly]

I'm not an all seeing oracle, but I chatted with the guy some and he said they would be done in about the next 60 days or so. If the cost of doing it increased, I'm not really surprised (it'd be more of a red flag if it ended up being cheaper...:lol:)


And I don't know about the tpc, but I think it had been sold? I really have no idea though. Again, don't know the guy from adam, just conversed with him someone about it.

[honda200x1987]

Got another msg from bboyrise "Yes its for REAL.lol. its taken a while to get everything just right with the molding of this tire. Finally molding is done now we are manufacturing the tires."

[aldochina]

does this mean I should bust into the hoard and sell some of my NOS tires??

[3wheelrider]

local CL ad:
http://miami.craigslist.org/mdc/mpo/4640462812.html
I should have mentioned: It's NOT me & I'm NOT associated with it...

[Super350]

does this mean I should bust into the hoard and sell some of my NOS tires??

YeaH! to me for cheap ALDO!! :naughty:

Honestly and this is just me but I absolutely love these tires. The look great, have just enough rounded edge and are 2 ply to give a much smoother ride than say the standard 4-6 ply holeshots and I think performance wise they work very well for all around ATC'ing in the woods , pits etc. ....LOVE 'EM!

[Super350]

Also , maybe ( and I hope so) this is legit! I once spoke with a guy out west that owned a drop ship company for atv parts and we talked about the kt577a.....he said that tire basically kept his business afloat, said barley anybody cared about them out west but he used to ship full 18 wheeler containers of just that tire to the east bc they were super popular for road racing atv's. apparently they expanded just enough to a perfect size/traction unlike any other tire these racers were running or could find, pretty sure he said it was florida too where the scene was going on. Maybe this would have something to do with people being motivated enough to drop a buncha money to get the tire back. Anyway, just an interesting bit from my past. but if history repeats itself and it usually does, I wont hold my breath.

[Mosh]

Because every TPC could use a 30 year old reproduced tire.

Where do I send in my prepay?

Effn hilarious..Mike I am nuts...considered straight jacket crazy by one person even..
However let me tell you first hand. If you are trying to convince certain folks something is a farce you will find some will use every , liberal based excuse to go against any sound evidence you or anyone else may provide.

I am sure the rest of us appreciate your detective work though.

[jb2wheels]

I have a set of the Ohtsu version on my 85 350X. When I rebuilt it a couple of years ago, I could still get them new. They're NLA now.

I love them on the X. I ride in sand mostly and they work great. I have paddles for the X but never felt the need to use them.

Anyway, I'm curious to see how this plays out.

FYI: Uninflated Ohtsu left, Inflated Dunlop right.

200834

I have the Dunlops on the R. They also work fine in the sand but I prefer my cheap paddles in the sand on the R.

[honda200x1987]

I hope this actually happens , would there have to be a whole new mold made to produce the 22's
??

[atc500x]

Look similar....not?

http://greatz.en.made-in-china.com/product/mMNnTrexOoRy/China-ATV-Tires.html

[Billy Golightly]

However let me tell you first hand. If you are trying to convince certain folks something is a farce you will find some will use every , liberal based excuse to go against any sound evidence you or anyone else may provide.

I am sure the rest of us appreciate your detective work though.

I'm sorry if my use of thought and logic to suggest the premise that we shouldn't pass judgement on someone wanting to do a special project at this early of a stage and possibly run them off is looked at as "a liberal based excuse". I've seen no calls for money or pre-orders here from the guy. I didn't want it to turn into a witch hunt - which it hasn't. There has been questions and considerations on the business savvy of making that investment (fine, fodder for the discussion) but I didn't like the tone it was taking of being a "scam" without knowing anything more than reading a guy spent $85k on re-popping something. If the guy had showed up here on first post asking for $300 a set pre-orders, then by all means, it'd be a different scenario.

[Mosh]

Might need to check your math. 240 x $300 = $72,000 he initially claimed to invest $50K and is now claiming to invest $85,000.

For you guys that believe this is legit, why not offer to send money in advance to get your set and be first in line?

He claims this is his TPC. http://www.3wheelerworld.com/album.php?albumid=2253&attachmentid=200608



http://www.3wheelerworld.com/album.php?albumid=2253&attachmentid=200609

It is Tatool23's TPC.

http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthread.php/147148-Silver-Lake-Michigan-Dune-Ride-Pics I will just post this again since some may not have seen it. Why does the guy use another members pics as his own?

[matgod]

Hahaha what a clown!

[TatTooL23]

I will just post this again since some may not have seen it. Why does the guy use another members pics as his own?

what an IDIOT. that is still my TPC. i still own it, its actually completely torn apart right now. this guy is obviously full of SH*T

[Mrs.Mosh]

Thank you for clearing that up Tattool!

Maybe bboyrise can post in this thread and explain himself as to why he is using other members pictures?

I wonder if the boat, Banshee and R are his?

[Billy Golightly]

what an IDIOT. that is still my TPC. i still own it, its actually completely torn apart right now. this guy is obviously full of SH*T

Thank you for that - I was just about to PM you this morning and it looks like someone else beat me to it.



I have no idea now :) He cannot post here because of probationary period requirements. I sent another PM to him though.

[TatTooL23]

i sent him a PM and he claims i have a look alike TPC thats the same exact as his... check this out! this is his reply to me. someone needs to get this trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotr ailpro outta here

PM from him:

I guess we have the same look alike bike.
What, you think your the only one that can afford
12k to have one built. Well your wrong. If you do infact have one that looks like mine, good for you.
But there is not a one an only SMARTTIE PANTS.
anyways, am glad you like it. Make it a Great day

[Mrs.Mosh]

This whole thing stinks! Members beware.

[Mosh]

I have been on that end Tatool and it sucks.
I am not denying the tires have been made. They obviously have, according to the link to the China company selling them as re pops posted on page 2.
I am not an investor, but I wonder what type of investor plunks down 85K and lets an overseas company sell his product before he sees the first batch?

FWIW. We talked to Dunlop a few years back..The molds were sold for the front and rear tires years ago. They gave no mention to where, but I only assumed then..CHINA.
We will probably see the front tire repopped at some point too from abroad badged in a different name.
Dunlop told us 100K to bring back the front tire alone, under the original badge, at a stocking amount of 15K tires if I remember right..We love trikes but even if we were made of money could have never recouped that amount..

Hopefully these tires are not squished down into a crate and shipped over. The last few China tires I have used from Chinese markets were deformed permantely once aired up due to their shipping methods.

[TatTooL23]

Ok so this is my opinion...

So maybe this Dbag has money who knows, but what he doesn't have is respect or courtesy. You don't put down $85,000 to have tires remade just for the hell of it. And if u do put that kind of money down u wouldn't just be taking someone else's trike pic and claiming it's you own. You would either contact TPC about building or buying one or contact me and saying hey man how much?

I do alright in the game of life but I work for and earned every bit of it. Nothing has been handed to me. I grew up with my parents using food stamps and doing the best they could for the the family. So we never had money but we did have respect. I do what I do and build trikes and atv's and ride them and have fun because I like to do it not because I need to show off. I built that red TPC front the frame up with my friends and will never sell it. There's more memories and good times in the garage and riding it then money is worth. Is it flattering that someone wants to claim it's there own?? Yes it is, but have some god damn respect.

If he truly loved trikes enough to put $85k into those tires he would have had the courtesy and respect to talk to me or to not post it as his own. And then when confronted about it he could have said, hey man y o u r right sorry. And took it down. But he's not a man. He's a immature child.

These r the type that bring forums like these down. Everyone has there moments and people get into heated matches on these things which I am surely guilty of at times but blatantly lying is different. Even if some users don't like each other and get into arguments and whose got the bigger wang and what not, honesty still has to be there for a place like this. For selling parts and trusting people and the common interest with trikes and respect.

Rant done. Lol.

[Billy Golightly]

Ok so this is my opinion...

So maybe this Dbag has money who knows, but what he doesn't have is respect or courtesy. You don't put down $85,000 to have tires remade just for the hell of it. And if u do put that kind of money down u wouldn't just be taking someone else's trike pic and claiming it's you own. You would either contact TPC about building or buying one or contact me and saying hey man how much?

I do alright in the game of life but I work for and earned every bit of it. Nothing has been handed to me. I grew up with my parents using food stamps and doing the best they could for the the family. So we never had money but we did have respect. I do what I do and build trikes and atv's and ride them and have fun because I like to do it not because I need to show off. I built that red TPC front the frame up with my friends and will never sell it. There's more
Memories and good times in the garage and riding then and money is worth. Is it flattering that someone wants to claim it's there own?? Yes it is, but have some god damn respect.

If he truly loved trikes enough to put $85k into those tires he would have had the courtesy and respect to talk to me or to not post it as his own. And then when confronted about it he could have said, hey man trailprotrailpro right sorry. And took it down. But he's not a man. He's a immature child.

These r the type that being forums like these down. Everyone had there moments and people et into heated matches on these things which I am surely guilty of a times but blatantly lying is different. Even if some users don't like each other and get into arguments and whose got the bigger wang and what not, honesty still has to be there for a place like this. For selling parts and trusting people and the common interest with trikes and respect.

Rant done. Lol.

I agree, and I understand where you're coming from. Some kid on a Facebook group had my 250R posted a few months ago claiming it was his and trying to sell it for $2,500 and got all kinds of interest in trades and purchases till someone recognized it and sent it to me, and then basically, same deal here, tried to claim it was his when it was sitting in my shop...:lol: If he'd of been like "here is a cool bike" but in that particular case with me it was" here is my cool bike and I want to sell it for 2500" it really frosted me.

I don't know if the guy has dropped the money on actually repopping the tires or not. Its always good to see and hear about new products coming available, but super bad decision to recycle and claim your photos in the manner he did in any case. Very untrustworthy type action.


So there ya guys go, you were right and I was wrong.

[Mrs.Mosh]

Its not about who was right and who was wrong Billy. It was about protecting the members from a possible scam.

Thanks to the members for this thread and bringing this to everyone's attention. I think we all know what is going on here now.

[TatTooL23]

He just PM'd me again. Here it is:

I wish I can pass you a box of tissues to help you with the crying but I can't.

[hoosierlogger]

What a tool! Lol

[toki]

ooooh bboyrise...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIoMfVNVx4g

all for you...

[danbur55]

Guess he could post in new member area to stand up for himself and clear the air or ?????

[Scootertrash]

Ya know, The internet has been a wonderful thing for me. BUT....... It has also revealed many people (a very few here, one of which I helped run off) are insecure attention whores. I mean seriously, WTF is up with claiming someones machine is yours when you know it's not, and then acting the the real owner is somehow a whiner when the fraud is caught??



There are seriously times when I long for the old days when you could kick someones a** for being a douchenozzle and a bunch of people would thank you for doing it.

[Scootertrash]

ooooh bboyrise...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIoMfVNVx4g

all for you...


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[toki]

yyyeeeeaaaa i think its a little late to clear the air. the guy went from trying to be the "cool guy that is helping everyone by spending his money to get everyone else some tires" to the "douche that brags about himself, his money, and "his trike", lies, and is now pretty much just another internet troll".

fail...

[Dirtcrasher]

It would be the real deal if our tall German friend was "making molds".....

[Marty]

I hope guy that bought mold is serious about making tire replicas, I don't really care about others opinions or if there is any bragging goin on! It all comes down to "your word" and "making it happen". Good luck to guy willing to make tires!!!!

[honda200x1987]

I agree Marty, I will give this guy a chance, he isn't asking for anything or any upfront orders. He says the molds are done and they are in production as we speak ,will be 30-60 days. Seems to sound legit, even when Honda put a tire on Backorder it took near that time. I can understand how people can become sceptical but in my opinion this tire is not a bad investment at all, even quad owners would buy this tire I am sure. We will soon see.

[TatTooL23]

quad owners wouldn't be buying it for their quads... this would use an 11 inch rim if its being made exact to original. very few quads have an 11 inch front rim. def no current sport machines.

[honda200x1987]

Front? We are talking about the rear tires here, 20x10x9 ARE THE OEM size for the NEW quads TRX400X TRX450R and older 300EX use the 9,etc. all 9 inch rims.I have seen many of these quads with the DUNLOP KT577A rears .
quad owners wouldn't be buying it for their quads... this would use an 11 inch rim if its being made exact to original. very few quads have an 11 inch front rim. def no current sport machines.

[redsox]

I agree Marty, I will give this guy a chance, he isn't asking for anything or any upfront orders. He says the molds are done and they are in production as we speak ,will be 30-60 days. Seems to sound legit, even when Honda put a tire on Backorder it took near that time. I can understand how people can become sceptical but in my opinion this tire is not a bad investment at all, even quad owners would buy this tire I am sure. We will soon see.

this guy is a story teller. Lying about the TPC proves a few things. He has no integrity, and his word can't be trusted. "Seems to sound legit" ???? what part about it, specifically, sounds legit? That he has 80k? That he's looking to drop it on a tire venture in the hopes that he could, with luck, break even? That he hasn't posted one statement in his own defense? That he's sending PM's instead of addressing the issue? Its a joke. And...as for as what he's asking for........its this. ATTENTION. He's looking for attention. Don't be an enabler. I'm all for speculation abut mythical things, but this guy is just silly. Now,,, you guys wanna see a pic of my 87 250r?

[Poco Loco]

Hes posting in the Craigslist in san diego also with this tire topic. Its an active post as of yesterday.

[honda200x1987]

I am curious to see how this pans out, I just don't see what he has to gain if he is just yanking our chain. It was B'S to use tattools avatar and say it was his trike though.

[TatTooL23]

geeez im an idiot, sorry man i didn't even realize it ws the rear tires and not the front. guess that shows about how much i believe its going to happen, lol.

[honda200x1987]

I sent him a email and this is the response I got .......... sales@hpcheetahtires.com
To Me Oct 1 at 7:03 PM
Hello,

Thanks for your email, there is really no picture of the tire getting made that we can provide
do to them being manufactured over seas. If our company was a scam or not telling the truth, what
satisfaction would we get out of it. Do you really think we would make our corporation look that bad
an make us look like a scam. You can give us a call if you have any questions. We got a bad vibe on 3ww
an don't even know at this time if we would post them on 3ww site for sale.
but you will see them on many other sites no worries. Also by the way we are now looking into
another tire also to remake but have not made any decision on it yet and it's the h-track 903r.
also if you would like to have your set/sets reserved, let us know an we can contact you as soon as they come in.
thanks in advance.



Ernest Castillo
Office: 786.879.2040
Fax: 305.576.9321
sales@hpcheetahtires.com
High Performance Cheetah Tires Co

[slashfan7964]

We will have to see how this goes. Someone looks awful two-faced.

[honda200x1987]

Well boys here it is! I don't know what the price is yet but If you didn't believe it before, well we should now....

[Dirtweed]

They look pretty good. Is he listing them for sale yet?

[atc500x]

Price please!!!

[slashfan7964]

Ain't that something.

Well, it might not be original, but that's a pretty big dedication right there, I must say.

[hatc200x1]

Awesome!!! I know ill be buying a couple sets in the next few months.

[toki]

you have to give him rights to pictures of your trikes tho. action shots preferred.

[Dirtcrasher]

It's just scary these days with all the scams out there.

So no any of you hoarders will lose the market to perfect restorations only.

Sure looks like a tire to me!!??

Not sure why if he is credible that he would use Tattools trike picture; That didn't help him much in terms of trust.

We'll see how it goes!!

[honda200x1987]

Just got a Msg from them , 225 for a set plus shipping. 3 sets or more is free shipping

[tecaterob]

Dam I never knew he was local to me. If you guys want I can go by when they are done and let you know.

[petesatc]

wonder if the new seller thought to check with Ohtsu and Dunlop to see they had any copyright and patent left on the design???? could be expensive f**k up if they they have......

[DohcBikes]

I find it amusing that the guy fakes owning tattool's TPC, then makes a tire called... "cheetah".

Lol DC!!, yep, looks like a tire, doesn't it. Could have debuted it on a nicer wheel too. Price seems ok, as long as that's not a pic of somebody else's tire :D

I'm sure he's taking prepaid orders folks so run out and get your knockoffs ASAP!!

[Poco Loco]

Thats a lot of $$ for a knock off. So the compound isnt the same? Make sure to use a Harbor Freight Knock off impact to install it too.

No thanks, I'll just stick to my genuine Ohtsu 501's for $180 Then again Im not building a trike to look at either. My gets used.

[Louis Mielke]

These are supposedly 4 ply tires fyi, the oem ones where 2 ply.

[vintagemotorsports]

i dont know this guy but I have been watching this entire thread all along . I give this guy huge props for taking this on its a huge undertaking . I reproduce alot of ATC and vintage MX parts and I can tell you first hand making a tire is a huge deal he has been hit with a huge bill right off the top for engineering and tooling and to make a production run of tires and there is probably a minimum order. im not talking like 50 tires probably more like 1000 tires and even at that that is a small run as far as making parts go then the whole other part of this shipping and warehousing. tires are big and heavy and require temp controlled warehousing to maintain there integrity and there is also a liability attached to making tires say the compound is off and caused a machine to roll in a corner and caused a fatality guess what everything comes back to the guy who had them made . so before you go and complain about the cost per tire you need to look at the entire picture. i look at everything from a business view i have had 2 chances now to make US90 tires and had an investor that would back me . I ran the numbers and unless you had excess cash that you didnt mind blowing it . you would never ever recoup a fraction of what it would cost to do it and if you took a poll right now how many people would buy a brand new us90 tire if I made them avalible you would get hundreds of people saying yes they would definitley buy and the same thing would happen as this guy once they are done people would say these are cheap knock offs and why are they so much etc etc . give the guy some credit as much as i would have come up with a better name to put on the side (LOL) I think its great that people want to keep this stuff alive

[DohcBikes]

We already discussed the investment and how it won't be a money maker. We know.

But, now we are also left with what? A tire that has the wrong name, the wrong compound, and has too many plies to compare to the original. I'm sorry but if this were archery he's missed the bullseye by a mile. Add to that his misdirection of ownership on the TPC and his attitude in general, and boom you get what's happening here.

You're right about buying intentions. Things will go quickly from" I'll take a set when they come out" to" I'll be ordering some in a few months!"...

[Poco Loco]

It will be interesting to hear the feedback on these. Depending who buys this rubber, the feedback will vary im sure. Id like to read the opinions from the older vet riders. These guys have tried many tires throughout their riding past. You get a kid buying these and he'll say their the best thing in the world because they tossed their whole piggy bank at em. 4 ply is a heavy carcass indeed. More suited for cross country, not MX. So it looks like these will be apples and oranges to compare them to the originals.

[Marty]

I guess all you member that were calling out this guy making tires a liar and other thing have some apologizing to do!
Cheetahs are now for sale!! Good luck with those apologies

[RPMRestorations]

Where do we purchase?

[honda200x1987]

Ernest Castillo
Office: 786.879.2040
Fax: 305.576.9321
sales@hpcheetahtires.com
High Performance Cheetah Tires Co.

[Mosh]

I wont apologize for trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro..He stole peoples pictures and acted to be someone he was not.
It is called impersonation, and copyright infringements...both which are crimes ...

Go back and read..I said the tire would be/was already made..I still maintain it was a chinese investor and this guy just bought a pallet of them or the chinese investor tried to appeal to a niche market by prentending to be someone they are not to bolster sales. Had he said I am just some dude that wants to sell tires and posted a picture of his riding lawnmower since he did not own a trike, He may have never would have been called the guy out..Even so his email correspondence that was posted by the guy who owned the pictures was childish at best and not representative of a 85K$ investor..nonetheless
He stole pictures...and lied...Back before the liberal, time out table soceity took over...Pops always taught me once a thief always a thief...and I got my ass beat for lying...

[cap]

Really surprised by all the negativity here, guy builds a new tire for a thirty year old trike no one else gives a rats behind about and all you hear is pissing and moaning? If you want the dang tires buy a set, if not go find some NOS. Good-luck to all.

[Marty]

Cap I couldn't agree with you more!

[redsox]

i stand by everything I wrote. I should apologize? What planet is this? The guy lied. End of story. The tires, if they're real, are irrelevent.

[DohcBikes]

I guess all you member that were calling out this guy making tires a liar and other thing have some apologizing to do!
Cheetahs are now for sale!! Good luck with those apologies
WTF are you talking about?

First of all, the guy IS A LIAR.

Second of all, I just read this entire thread again and no person ever flat out says he isn't making them.

I think he found out who owns the molds and gave them money to push for a production run. And guess what, since this tool bag is undoubtedly a LIAR, I'll continue to think whatever the fck I wanna think because I wouldn't believe a LIAR if he said otherwise.

If an unwarranted apology is still an issue for the suckers, I have some knee pads you could borrow.

[honda200x1987]

Has anyone placed an order for these ? Is it possible he is just ordering from a Chinese company for cheap prices and reselling them? I'm not sure myself guys but I have searched the Web and can't find no one else selling them other than this guy.

[RPMRestorations]

If he put them on ebay I would buy a pair, I don't trust anything else though.

[honda200x1987]

I agree ......
If he put them on ebay I would buy a pair, I don't trust anything else though.

[greenhuman]

Anyone can send any tyre to China and and have them made. I enquired about having a very rare ATC tyre remade over there and it was not as expensive as you think.

[DohcBikes]

Anyone can send any tyre to China and and have them made. I enquired about having a very rare ATC tyre remade over there and it was not as expensive as you think.

This is not true for so many reasons. Patents and copyrights to begin with. You sure do make it sound easy though.

[BOB MARLIN]

I'm still not sure why anyone wants these tires, other than just having the oem look. With all the tire options out there, why are these such a big deal?

[Mosh]

I'm still not sure why anyone wants these tires, other than just having the oem look. With all the tire options out there, why are these such a big deal?
Exactly. When you can buy brand new 450R take off radial tires on rims for around 125$ that offer far better traction I can't see the point.

Even for a restoration, these tires with the new errant side wall badge, do not fit a true "restoration" requirement. Which is a term that gets abused all to often.
It is equivalent to saying you restored your trike to OEM specs with aftermarket plastic and a SS bolt kit and different design seat cover.
As far as the design of the tire being 30 years old, it is like trading in your MP3 player for a 8 track cassette player and expecting the same sound quality with what is available today.

[honda200x1987]

They used the original Dunlop Molds? I can care less that it's not Dunlop Branded , I like the original tread patern... just my opinion. http://www.trx250r.net/forum/wheels-tires/29117-577-lives-again.html. https://m.facebook.com/Cheetahtires/photos/a.668754273238332.1073741829.668589196588173/668754803238279/?type=1&source=46

[greenhuman]

This is not true for so many reasons. Patents and copyrights to begin with. You sure do make it sound easy though.
Why is this not true? The Chinamen don't care about patents etc. I have been dealing with them for years. There is one particular company for example who do nothing but accept samples and find a factory to produce the item for the best price and quality. Also, anything can be rebadged with a custom logo for a few cents per item. I think people would be very surprised where their ATV accessories come from.

[Marty]

if it is easy can someone have them remake ohtsu tires please

[Poco Loco]

My friend has a business that sells chinese tractors. The 1st thing that fails on these tractors is all the rubber parts. Chinese rubber is crap. Is this why they went from a 2 ply to a 4 ply? Why 4 plys if your remaking a great tire? Hmmm. Are these things gonna check from a bit of sunlight hitting them? Ever go in Harbor Freight where everything is from china and go to where the tires are and smell the foul smell they have? It smells like fermaldehyde. We'll just have to see who steps up and buys these strange tires....

[Billy Golightly]

This is not true for so many reasons. Patents and copyrights to begin with. You sure do make it sound easy though.

The Chinese care nothing about patents and copyrights. It really is that easy to get something made. Selling it and not getting the trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro sued out of you is another thing, but making them isn't a problem. If you got the money, the chicoms will knock it off for ya no problemo.

[DohcBikes]

Why is this not true? The Chinamen don't care about patents etc. I have been dealing with them for years. There is one particular company for example who do nothing but accept samples and find a factory to produce the item for the best price and quality. Also, anything can be rebadged with a custom logo for a few cents per item. I think people would be very surprised where their ATV accessories come from.

Proof please. Otherwise you're just making b.s. claims. Marty hit the nail on the head. If it were so cheap and easy it would be happening. You're just talking.

Billy, real business men factor risk BEFORE reward. Lawsuits aren't cheap OR easy. The claim was that he can get whatever tire he wants cheap and easy. This is a production thread. I guess I connected some dots that no one wants connected. Without numbers, this claim is VERY misleading. I don't like misleading info when it comes to business. As some have learned.

Numbers please.....

[Billy Golightly]

Proof please. Otherwise you're just making b.s. claims. Marty hit the nail on the head. If it were so cheap and easy it would be happening. You're just talking.

Billy, real business men factor risk BEFORE reward. Lawsuits aren't cheap OR easy. The claim was that he can get whatever tire he wants cheap and easy. This is a production thread. I guess I connected some dots that no one wants connected. Without numbers, this claim is VERY misleading. I don't like misleading info when it comes to business. As some have learned.

Numbers please.....

www.alibaba.com is all you need to spend a few minutes looking at, but whatever man - I've not ever seen anyone engage you in conversation give an answer adequate for you.

[greenhuman]

I have sold over 8,000 tyres over here which are exactly the same as the Maxxis Razr 2's so I don't have to "prove " anything to you. And that's only one item. The company I deal with WILL find a factory in China, Taiwan, Korea or wherever to remake any item for an ATV you care to think of. They charge a flat 15% fee on the final sale price and they do all the legwork as to sending out the sample to various factories, inspections, freight forwarding etc.

I'm not going to get into a pissing competition with you over this as trying to have a sensible discussion with someone like you is impossible as I have noticed with most of your posts.
Stick to changing plugs or whatever hillbillies do and try to say something positive for a change.

[Marty]

Green human I am not a hillbilly, or change spark plugs. But if you have the contacts can you get someone over there to please remake me 2 pairs of ohtsu 701 rear tires please. When last sold in 2006 they sold for $89 so 15% markup I am cool with. So please let me know thanks

[Mosh]

There was talk about the front tire some years ago on this forum.
Like I said in that thread..We talked to Dunlop face to face. They told us the molds had been sold sometime back before 2008. We got no positive answer where but China was pretty much the consensus. Nobody had this mold remade IMO. Someone ground out the Dunlop badge and put in whatever name. The front tire will be a stretch since it is 11 inch fits virtually nothing in the CHINESE eyes.

As far as these..I wonder if they will hit ebay where there is an extra layer of protection for buyers.
So far facebook pages created 3 days ago and craigslist posts to advertise so a large investment is confusing and suspicious all at the same time with some questionable impersonation problems.
I dont think people realize that hardcore trikers can sniff out bullshit far quicker than any other group as we have been chasing the unicorns far longer than most.

[DohcBikes]

I'm not going to get into a pissing competition with you over this as trying to have a sensible discussion with someone like you is impossible as I have noticed with most of your posts.
Stick to changing plugs or whatever hillbillies do and try to say something positive for a change.
Name calling, very interesting way to make a point. Also an interesting way to have a sensible conversation. I'm not a hillbilly I'm a redneck, let's get it straight now. I'm sure the hillbillies would be offended to hear that you have included me in their ranks.

Now Hear This! Contact member green human for ANY tire you want, cheap and easy.

Bring on the Ohtsus big dog.

[Billy Golightly]

Name calling, very interesting way to make a point. Also an interesting way to have a sensible conversation. I'm not a hillbilly I'm a redneck, let's get it straight now. I'm sure the hillbillies would be offended to hear that you have included me in their ranks.

Now Hear This! Contact member green human for ANY tire you want, cheap and easy.

Bring on the Ohtsus big dog.

Dude - you opened that door with your condescending assed response about this to begin with.

The original intent was the "Possibility" of making the tires, not the feasibility, or economic benefit of it. Mike at Vintage said he has had the opportunity to remake the US90 balloon tires on 2 different occasions but has chosen not to because the $$$ didn't make sense to him. Not because it wasn't possible. Are you calling him a liar also? greenhuman is right - probably 95% of your "name brand" aftermarket trinkets are manufactured by the chicoms. If you want to see some really funny stuff, look up carbon fiber motorcycle mufflers on alibaba and you'll find EXACT copies of the big names from FMF, Pro-circuit, and a few others down to the machining marks in their billet mounts. All your brake pads, sprockets, wearable items repackaged and sold as Moose, EBC, etc. - Chicoms.

Get over yourself and get real.

[DohcBikes]

I'm as real as it gets and I'll never get over myself so I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

This guy says we can have any disco'd tire we want. Cheap and easy. Bullshlt.

And it's ME that needs to get real. LOL. Ok.

[redsox]

DOHC, i'm on your side buddy, about the credibility of this bboyrise guy being shady shady. But you're wrong about the chinese and patients bud. no big deal, but you're mistaken. Have you ever walked down the street in NYC? You know those $10 nike jordans that the guy has on the blanket?? Not Legit. China. Also, just to comment on chinese rubber, i just bought a pack of bungees from harbor freight. I couldn't believe how cheap they were and i figured "a bungee is a bungee, more or less" Well, wow was i wrong. The rubber is not real rubber. Its bizarre. Also, they have that weird smell. worthless. But, i think i paid $2.99 for a 10 pack. Live and learn. Thanks for reading. You guys can continue to argue. (Not gonna change the fact he used someone else's trike in the pic)

[El Camexican]

Proof please. Otherwise you're just making b.s. claims. Marty hit the nail on the head. If it were so cheap and easy it would be happening. You're just talking.

Billy, real business men factor risk BEFORE reward. Lawsuits aren't cheap OR easy. The claim was that he can get whatever tire he wants cheap and easy. This is a production thread. I guess I connected some dots that no one wants connected. Without numbers, this claim is VERY misleading. I don't like misleading info when it comes to business. As some have learned.

Numbers please.....

I buy globally for a living. Many (not all) Chinese are unscrupulous as are some Mexicans, Canadians and Americans.

I have found my client's patented products on the display shelf of a potential supplier that was ready to sell them to whoever wanted with the name changed. I have also been offered "Made in the USA" decals with items I buy. And rubber quality??? Yea, what you see in the USA is crap. It comes down to what people want to pay, most US buyer want cheap, cheap cheap. The good stuff costs the same over there as it does in the USA, so no one buys it for export, but Chinese cars & trucks come with good tires when you buy them there. The exporters look at it as "sell it cheap today and let the sucker spend the money to make it right later on". The Chinese can make ANYTHING, including spaceships, but aside from labor (which is now substantially higher than Mexico) most of what goes into a product cost the same as the USA.

[Billy Golightly]

I don't think anyone is questioning the shadyness of the picture use (Last time I checked - I was the one that actually ended up banning the guy). Didn't expect to see the tires, but here they are. Still doesn't explain or make the picture use go away though, no doubt.

And DOHC, its fine to have an opinion - theres 30,000 diferent flavors of it here. But the arrogant asses about it, don't seem to ever last too long.

[Marty]

Ok someone said they can get anything made in China easy! No one has answered my question to please make rear ohtsu 701 tires please, I will pay the 15% markup as stated. And if anyone wants to use ANY of my pics to campaign, sell, or advertise any product please feel free to do so. At the end of the day whomever uses my pics will gladly have to explain and it will not have to be me!! But please let me know what people in China say about remaking my 701 Ohtsu tires thanks.

[Billy Golightly]

Go to Alibaba.com - search for some tire manufacturers, and engage a dialog with them on a sample, quantities, and pricing FOB.

The tools are there - have at it.


http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/ATV-TIRE-TYRE-22-8-10_537054367.html?s=p - ITP Black Waters under another name.

http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Durable-DOT-Certification-ATV-Tire-ATV_860239675.html ITP Holeshots

http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/wholesale-natural-rubber-atv-tire-manufacturers_60027586539.html Duro HF-245

http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Whole-Size-of-Hot-Sale-Pattern_2054498403.html - Think these are the Maxxis Big Horn's

http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/High-Quality-Fashion-Design-16-8_1992902414.html Cheng-Shin standard knobby

http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/China-tyre-manufactoryer-supplies-atv-tires_60072572204.html ITP 589

http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/cheap-ATV-tires-for-sale-China_1353953754.html Carlisle Turf Saver

http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/ATV-Tires-20X11-9_557826468.html Maxxis RAZR 2's

http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/ATV-tyres_438080708.html Carlisle Trail Wolfs

http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/ATV-TYRES-WITH-DOT-CERTIFICATION_518220499.html ITP Holeshots

http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/22x11-00-ATV-Tire_1952347486.html - Everyones favorite (I'll take a container full of em since they are so hard to get anymore)

http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/ATV-Tyre_225499462.html GBC Shredder

That was off the first page of search results alone....

[MRSOUND]

And DOHC, its fine to have an opinion - theres 30,000 diferent flavors of it here. But the arrogant asses about it, don't seem to ever last too long.

My favorite dialog in this whole thread! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-eatdrink033.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

[Marty]

You don't understand someone said THEY a member can do it. So I am asking if they can take care of that for me. Thanks let me know I appreciate it.

[Billy Golightly]

Pardon me for assuming it was a serious request and not just rhetorical.

[Marty]

I am serious, I have 2 bikes i need tires for. Bikes never use they just sit in garage and I need OEM tires for them.

[slashfan7964]

Cheetah Tire official FB page..

https://www.facebook.com/Cheetahtires

Here's the new Dunlops on a Banshee

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t31.0-8/10713982_672054629574963_784396458064291139_o.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/1376623_668592929921133_8463585895207655819_n.jpg? oh=7a9ce74b36baf3b68a1bfa70566fe96c&oe=54D3AEDE&__gda__=1425227168_869340830540d53166d757e1ef315df c
https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10174812_668592733254486_2799985280720745262_n.jpg ?oh=b35905f627a4044c7c0208967ce9a9f7&oe=54DE8086
https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/1925350_668592353254524_1827201338675932613_n.jpg? oh=c6ac9db3f7f1f286ab061a45f095c4a9&oe=54E55A5B

[fabiodriven]

The 4 ply deal is a huge turn off for me personally.

[Mosh]

Can you please quit shoving this down peoples throats already.
The guy is banned and there is a freaking blog page basically endorsing a banned persons product and yet to add to that it is misadvertised as a Dunlop tire which it is nothing of the sort.

It really looks rediculous.

[El Camexican]

The 4 ply deal is a huge turn off for me personally.

We're going to have to disagree on that buddy, I find my fingers break through the 2 ply way too often.

204125

[86T3]

/\ That's called getting in touch with the inner you

[El Camexican]

/\ That's called getting in touch with the inner you

Yea, but it gets to be a pain in the a*s after a while.

[ironchop]

Just my opinion but the appeal of these and other particular tires usually had little to do with superior wear, traction, or handling and mostly due to their OEM appeal.

Having a repop tire with a different logo just emphasizes the fact that they are repopped and therefore nearly worthless to the very niche market responsible for their popularity. If clone builds become as popular as they are in the classic car community, then all will be well.

I personally would not invest so much in some fake.dunlops but To.Each, His Own.

One thing I am certain of...fake Dunlops ain't never been worth all the piss and vinegar flying back and forth in this thread. Just sayin'

[greenhuman]

We're going to have to disagree on that buddy, I find my fingers break through the 2 ply way too often.

204125
If you fold it increases the ply you know.

[86T3]

Yea, but it gets to be a pain in the a*s after a while.

Its a shitty job, but someone has to do it.

[El Camexican]

This thread has really gone for a sh+t

[Scootertrash]

I'm wiped out and feeling a little flushed.

[danbur55]

All this seems headed down the toilet

[poohbee1]

I buy globally for a living. Many (not all) Chinese are unscrupulous as are some Mexicans, Canadians and Americans.

I have found my client's patented products on the display shelf of a potential supplier that was ready to sell them to whoever wanted with the name changed. I have also been offered "Made in the USA" decals with items I buy. And rubber quality??? Yea, what you see in the USA is crap. It comes down to what people want to pay, most US buyer want cheap, cheap cheap. The good stuff costs the same over there as it does in the USA, so no one buys it for export, but Chinese cars & trucks come with good tires when you buy them there. The exporters look at it as "sell it cheap today and let the sucker spend the money to make it right later on". The Chinese can make ANYTHING, including spaceships, but aside from labor (which is now substantially higher than Mexico) most of what goes into a product cost the same as the USA.
I agree maxxis tires are owned by cheng shin they seem to be doing very well .I have never owned any maxxis tires but seems like most of the four wheeler guys use them and I don't think there cheap .I have owned cheng shin atv tires they have been making them forever they seem to be pretty nice tires. I think cheng shin even makes car and truck tires now branded under the maxxis name.

[manbearpig]

Alright...


i'm officially ready to say EFF THIS GUY!

harassing me on here, and on facebook? WTF. he blew up my profile page on here a few months ago and now hes private messaging me on facebook after not accepting his friend request.

Gorilla marketing? dude... piss off.

the tires are whatever, the guy is a tool and a half.

[Afrothunderkat]

Hahahahahaha, this guy. His facebook posts are hilarious. I PM'd him about the ply of tires he was selling, he said 4 ply. Also claims the dunlop's where 4 ply. I didn't argue, not worth my time. I knew it was a scam the moment he started posting. He has 85k to spend on rubber but can't use proper grammar and spelling. MUST BE A BARGIN!

[bkm]

What ever came of this?

[fabiodriven]

If I'm not mistaken, I believe he did get these tires produced and they are available.

[fordnut79@hotma]

Anybody use them yet. Any reviews or opinions?

[thcowboy]

So what is the difference between four ply and two ply. Im confused :wondering

[wamulass]

So what is the difference between four ply and two ply. Im confused :wondering

A two ply tire has more flex to it. Works well on trails, flexes well over bumpy terrains. The downside is that they puncture easily. A 4 ply is more durable and puncture resistant. Weights probably a pound or two more. Doesn't flex as well as a two ply at the same operating pressure. From my experience if you want to do slide around corners, a two ply is better. I worked with all terrain vehicle tires for 20 years and know almost every tire that was made. Ohtsu, Goodyear and Dunlop are no longer available, so if you do find any of these NOS (new old stock) tires be aware they are probably at least 8-10 years old, which is old for a tire. I work at a tire store so any tire questions can be sent my way.

[thcowboy]

Thanks so i have something like carslile 25x12x9 knobbys on my big red. I dont know if thats specific enough. But is it two ply or four ply?

[wamulass]

25x12-9 carlisle knobby is a 2 ply.

is it this tire?
http://www.treaddepot.com/atvtire/537081.html

[Dirtweed]

Here is his last Facebook post:

Cheetah Tires They should be in soon. Tires got delayed because of a strike at long beach port with employees. It's all over the news. This has never happened to our shipments. There is no way to rush the port custums. We apologise for the inconvenience and will have you up to date on our shipment status. Again we apologise, thanks in advance for your patients.

[greenhuman]

Did someone give him some patients?
He must be a doctor as well.

[petesatc]

Did someone give him some patients?
He must be a doctor as well.
hehehehehe LOL

[redsox]

A doctor walks into a waiting room at the hospital and sees a mother with five sick kids. the mother says "Doctor, we've been waiting for over an hour., and there is no one else here." The doctor replies, "Its true, its been very slow around here. We appreciate your patients." Bum-bum-tiss... I'll be here all week! Don't forget to tip your waitress! Try the veal!

[Dirtweed]

Did someone give him some patients?
He must be a doctor as well.

I noticed that and others in the post. Guess he is not one for correct spelling.

[Scootertrash]

Guy walks in to the doctors office "Doc, I broke my arm in three places what should I do? "

Doc says "Stay out of those three places"

I wish we could find out if these are available. I'm getting tired of checking this thread and my patience is wearing thin. *cough*

[greenhuman]

A guy goes to see his doctor. He tells the doctor he is sore all over his body. I touch my arm and it hurts like mad, I touch my foot and it kills me. I touch the top of my head and it hurts. The doctor checks him out and the guy asks what's wrong with me?
The doctor says you've got a broken finger.

[Mr. Clean]

QUESO.

I have to come clean on this thread. I started it as it really seemed it was a totally unbelievable story and obviously some very shady claims were being made. Had the guy actually come to this site and conducted himself like all of us have come to expect (post a thread, stick to the facts and do not blow up the blogs with really ridiculous and confusing rhetoric) it would have been embraced by all of us and certainly a different outcome would have ensued.

It was not every my intent to prevent or not have Billy get the opportunity to put these in the parts shop or be associated with these tires, but in the end that is what happened or at least the guy claimed....for this I apologize to Billy, this group and everyone who loves trikes as much as I do.

These tires are for sale and frankly I am happy he followed thru. I can see buying the front tires as I really like the OEM knob 11" front tire, and I have seen great reviews on the rear tires as well. The team that ran Baja in the NORRA event last year sold me on durability.

I am going to close this thread and will take my lumps :D