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Josh in FLA
10-30-2014, 03:02 PM
Trying to put together the front end together for a suspended 1981 185s. The original front setup is gone and was replaced by a narrower hub, that appears to be off an X or R model, and has a few (prolly about 20) washers acting as spacers and no provisions for front brake. I'm trying to replace it with a stock setup, luckily I have the actual main axle that came with the aftermarket front end, I just need something the correct width.

I kept reading about interchangeability about 185 and 200 parts but didn't fully do my research, so I nabbed a complete front assembly from '82 200 as I wanted the four lug pattern. But comparing it to the width I have between forks it appears that the '82 200 is approximately an inch too wide. At this point, I'm looking back and see that the 185s came with a 22x11-8 tire and the 200 came with a 25x12-9 tire. So is this the reason the front end is an inch wide? Can anyone verify the width of a 185s from outside of spacer to outside of spacer, my forks are approximately 13 1/4" apart on the inside faces, and the 200 frontend I have is approximately 14 1/4" from outside of spacer to outside of spacer.

Next question, if that is the reason and I need the narrower 185s unit, is it possible or worth narrowing the one I have. I probably wouldn't be out too much money to throw this one back up on ebay, and get the correct width unit. But it appears I just need to shorten the hub and internal spacer an inch. Not sure if there is an internal stop for the bearings that may also play a part in not being able to shorten very easily.

Also is the 4 bolt pattern different on 1982 185s vs 200 front hubs? I thought they shared the 4x130 bolt pattern, but the supposed 200 hub measures 4x150.

bumsted200s
10-31-2014, 12:27 PM
Wow that must of been a funny setup seeing 200X hub. Think I might be able to explain differences little better.

What you're saying is '81 185S I believe is actually an '82 or '83 185S. 1982-1983 ran a 22x11x8 front rime where the early 1981's are same as a 200 and used a 25x12x9 front rim/tire. Can be easily missed up. That's where your 1" difference is coming from. If there is a frame tag sticker behind front fork left side should verify exact year.

For bolt pattern... 1981 185S and all 200's used 4-150mm (9" rims). The 1982-1983 185S uses 4-130mm (8" rims).

Would appear to me you have an '82-'83 frame. You shouldn't have to do any spacer or washers re-work on front hub. Just find correct front hub. Yes eBay is the place to buy one off of. Not to confuse you more, but 1984-1986 200S front hubs are same as 1982-1983 185S. When searching on eBay might have to type in that to bring up more.

good luck

Brian

my wheelers:
1981 Honda 200 5-wheeler
1982 Honda 200 Hondapotomus
1982 Honda 185S
1982 Honda 250R
1984 Honda 200S
1985 Honda 200S
1985 Honda 200X
1985 Honda 200 auto-X

DohcBikes
10-31-2014, 02:40 PM
What's happening here is that the fact that there are 200's,,,200s',,,185's,,,and 185s'--- is being disregarded in this communication.

I think.

Josh in FLA
10-31-2014, 04:44 PM
Thanks for the help, I've located an 1982 185S front hub setup on it's way now, hopefully it will be the key. Unfortunately I'm kinda dealing with a franken-trike: frame is 1981 185S with weld-in rear suspension, what looks to be a set of Hi Performance ATC front triples with unknown tubes, and a 1981 ATC200 motor. I'm just trying to get back to something that will fill the front and provide a brake, and hopefully let me use the 4x130 8" neutral offset aluminum wheel I picked up for it.

Josh in FLA
10-31-2014, 07:37 PM
For reference this is the frontend as it is now:
http://i969.photobucket.com/albums/ae171/josh_hartline/ATC/3021B3DB-6810-4217-98AD-EA1A500F0D37_zps6kzidsxr.jpg (http://s969.photobucket.com/user/josh_hartline/media/ATC/3021B3DB-6810-4217-98AD-EA1A500F0D37_zps6kzidsxr.jpg.html)

And the gross overuse of washers:
http://i969.photobucket.com/albums/ae171/josh_hartline/ATC/17450AF1-C8F3-44DF-B902-B6982C05C40C_zpssdjup6dw.jpg (http://s969.photobucket.com/user/josh_hartline/media/ATC/17450AF1-C8F3-44DF-B902-B6982C05C40C_zpssdjup6dw.jpg.html)
http://i969.photobucket.com/albums/ae171/josh_hartline/ATC/2C35687B-0620-434F-B0E8-9CEA6B4FA832_zpsnjgiqsj1.jpg (http://s969.photobucket.com/user/josh_hartline/media/ATC/2C35687B-0620-434F-B0E8-9CEA6B4FA832_zpsnjgiqsj1.jpg.html)