85 Tecate Short Track Racer Build

[bkm]

I've had most of a first gen laying around for years now and have finally decided to put it together. This is going to be a short track/TT bike mainly used during the indoor season. I've always been intrigued by adapting a side mount radiator on one of these and getting it off the triple clamps. I kinda threw together a mount using a kx60 radiator and 83 ktm 125 radiator shroud. I'm not sure if I like it just yet and may end up abandoning it later on.

The engine is entirely stock with a 34mm TM carb, stock pipe, and UFO airbox. The suspension will consist of a onformula1 modified 86 rear shock and forks, stock swingarm, 84 drum brake and forks.

I plan on doing it in the 84 colors and adding a few of the Jimmy White Tecate Performance Manual tips like spaced gas tank and some fender trimming.

Here's where I'm at right now.
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[jlucero]

I think that side mounted radiator is pretty rad. Good start!

[bkm]

I think that side mounted radiator is pretty rad. Good start!
Thanks, I'm still on the fence about it, but maybe when it's completely mounted, painted, and the front end is on, I'll like it more.

[Jmoozy27]

I'm liking the plan here Bryan. I will be monitoring this one closely.

[onformula1]

I like it and once it's buttoned up and has a green tank it's going to be sweet

I always liked those old KTM looks, like they desided to make it a water pumper hours before the release, old school in a good way

I'm curious how you discovered the shroud

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[The_Steve_Man]

Is going to be done for Flickerwood next month?

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[Ghostv2]

Reminds me of a few other race trikes. ;)
I dig it, maybe you'll be more fond of it if it's on the Other side.


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[John_Neary]

Really liked my 85 Tecate and wished i had gotten one sooner. Have you considered finding a smaller fuel tank, perhaps off a early KX or KDX, so you can increase the steering lock and have a sleeker look to the bike?

Heck even a basic coffin shaped alloy tank painted green would work great.

[bkm]

Really liked my 85 Tecate and wished i had gotten one sooner. Have you considered finding a smaller fuel tank, perhaps off a early KX or KDX, so you can increase the steering lock and have a sleeker look to the bike?

Heck even a basic coffin shaped alloy tank painted green would work great.
I actually was going to go with an early kdx200 tank, but finding one in decent shape is not easy. They kinda remind me of the aluminum team green tanks.

Onformula1, I figured DC plastics was the best source for radiator shrouds and looked at every one they offer and liked the free mounting of the ktm shroud. I knew I wanted one that didn't bolt to the tank. DC was awesome to work with and supplied me with the measurements, next was finding a radiator to fit inside it. DC also made me just a right side in Kawasaki Green.

86T3 hooked me up with the kx60 radiator measurements and it seemed to be closest in size.

[bkm]

Is going to be done for Flickerwood next month?

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Probably not. It will be a bonus if it's ready at all this season, so probably next year.

[John_Neary]

@bkm - another tank to consider would be one off a KX420, also looks a lot like the Team Green tanks made by CalFab

[bkm]

@bkm - another tank to consider would be one off a KX420, also looks a lot like the Team Green tanks made by CalFab

I like those tanks, but trying to find one is the hard part. I think that was a one year only bike.

I really wish I had talent and could modify a first gen 250r tank like your Franks and run the radiator up higher. Those first gen tanks had great lines and look good on just about any of the older bikes.

I wonder just how much smaller the first gen KDX200 tanks are compared to the T3 tank?

[John_Neary]

The only KDX200 i ever rode was a 1988 model so im not sure how thin the aircooled KDX tank was.

Any halfway decent welder can mod 81/82 250R fuel tank for you, all they gotta do is cut the front bulge areas and flip the piece around and weld them back on so its becomes concave. We had a ton of tanks modified that way and it was not a hassle for our friend who did that stuff.

You can see here what im getting at -

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[onformula1]

Check out a 1984 KDX 80 tank

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[onformula1]

John do you have any close ups or underside pictures of your tank?

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[bkm]

The tank I actually almost pulled the trigger on was this one. Early KX80, but I just wonder if It's too small?

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Everything is on the same side as the KXT. I might still do this just because.

[John_Neary]

@bkm - Clarke has a few tanks to pick from that could work, looking at their KX80 tank the only thing that needs some thought is the KX80 tank has a molded groove for a safety seat that would look weird with the stock 85 seat design imo so you would need to come up with a new seat to have it match.

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@onforumla1 - my camera is out on loan to a buddy that is heading to a air show this weekend so i cant take any new photos till Sunday, this is about the best ones i have from my older pics -

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[bkm]

The seat area is another concern. I think I'm just going to space the oem tank back and grind down the stops.

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[barnett468]

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Heck even a basic coffin shaped alloy tank painted green would work great.


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[onformula1]

I was talking about the KDX80 air cooled the size is fine for flat track and you would use your radiator and KTM shroud.

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[bkm]

Ahh, I missed the "d". I like the top tank better. The one thing I'm worried about with these small tanks is everything on a first gen is very "bulbous" and I think that tiny tank will just look goofy.

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[barnett468]

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the problem with using tanks other than the tecate one is that the backbone on the tecate is much bigger than those on a dirt, bike plus the tecate has this big bulb on the side of the frame, therefore, the tank has to be wide enough to to clear all this . . an aluminum tank can be modified to clear this but it would be pretty hard to heat a plastic tank and form it to fit if need be.

there is a greater chance of getting a tank off of a small water cooled bike to fit . . jimmy had side mount rads and a production water cooled tank on one of his 85 bikes that was in phantomracers tecate build thread, but it is unknown if that was a stock tecate frame or a custom built one, so there is no way to know if it had the big bulge on it etc.

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[86T3]

Ahh, I missed the "d". I like the top tank better. The one thing I'm worried about with these small tanks is everything on a first gen is very "bulbous" and I think that tiny tank will just look goofy.

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BKM-not a fan of small titties and big behinds, he wants the full package. And I didnt forget about you, I've been real busy and haven't been able to get that piston out yet. Soon

[bkm]

^ This guy is picking up what I'm putting down. No problem brother take your time.

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[bkm]

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Scored these awesome 18x9.50-8 NOS Armstrong Super Turf's for the rear.

[motoman1012002]

what about that franks tecate he built for jimmy with the kx tank and daul rads like the 3rd gen R

[John_Neary]

As Barnett468 pointed out the jumbo size frame section that goes under the tank will limit what fuel tanks can be easily fitted, personally i felt the smaller fuel tank transformed the first gen Tecate from feeling portly and meh into a very nice to ride machine. But i moved around a lot on the bike from my flat track and TT background so maybe its less important others.

That Jimmy White Franks bike was rad, imo it was Kelvin's best work. I wonder whatever became of it?

[onformula1]

what about that franks tecate he built for jimmy with the kx tank and daul rads like the 3rd gen R
That trike had a custom Frank's frame

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[John_Neary]

shame we cant 3D print frames....yet :)

[onformula1]

Bkm you have a welder, so any tank will fit.

Kick the frame rake in a couple degrees why you're at it.

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[barnett468]

Bkm you have a welder, so any tank will fit.

That's interesting, I didn't know one could weld plastic with a tig or a mig...or a torch.



Kick the frame rake in a couple degrees why you're at it.

Just curious, why would you want him to do that when the stock rake seemed to be good enough to win countless races and several championships with?

[Ghostv2]

That's interesting, I didn't know one could weld plastic with a tig or a mig...or a torch.


So you can't alter the frame with a welder to accept whatever tank tickles your fancy?

[onformula1]

So you can't alter the frame with a welder to accept whatever tank tickles your fancy?

Thank You, Sir.

This is not the first, nor probably the last time I needed subtitles for one person on this forum. (Everyone else doesn't seem to have a issue) :wondering

[Jmoozy27]

That's interesting, I didn't know one could weld plastic with a tig or a mig...or a torch

What's even more interesting is that 3 wheeler frames are made of plastic...:lol::crazy:

[fieldy]

Clarke (sp) makes a universal 80's kdx tank that is available in black, translucent or green. I have one and the shape looks better than stock but it is a larger capacity tank. I could get the measurements for you if you decide to look into it. It might not be what you are looking for but it might look cool, it came with grommets, some aluminum and the petcock.
They may have good looking standard size kdx 200 tanks also.You could probably call them, they might have some options, like a street tank off something but the tank you have looks fine.

[cochran]

John, I believe that you bought Jimmy's 85 from Kawie? I have the aluminum tank off of it. It was parted out on eBay 5 years ago. That aluminum tank is perfect for flat track. I can't bring myself to put it on a trike.
Bryan the 86 KX80 has a petcock on the same side as the T3. It has a single radiator and shroud on that side as well. The exhaust exits the left side of the 80 just like T3. However, the neck that supports the tank is smaller in diameter and the T3 neck would have to me modified. I do think it would be super trick. I picked a tank up for $20 on eBay and will see what has to be done.

[barnett468]

So you can't alter the frame with a welder to accept whatever tank tickles your fancy?

Sure you can if you want to reduce the structural integrity of it . . These bikes were designed by card carrying engineers with extensive experience in their respective fields, and for someone other than an engineer or someone with a lot of experience in this area to suggest to someone else to reduce the structural integrity of a tested and proven frame design is simply irresponsible . . They are certainly free to do whatever they want on their own bike because if it breaks in half on them it is no great loss, but to play with the safety of others in this way is simply wrong.

One problem is that simply modifying or removing the flared out sections may not be enough to get a tank that is designed for a mini bike that has a backbone that is much narrower than the Tecate one to fit on it, but its hard to say until one has the tank in their hand, however, it doesn't fit, is the next suggestion going to be to install a smaller backbone in it? :lol:

One can take the advice of someone that spent over 2,000 hours testing and racing one whom also beat some of the best riders in the world on one and whom also spent countless hours doing engineering on them, or they can take the advice of others that don't nearly have nearly as much experience. :crazy:
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[John_Neary]

@cochran - Did you have the tank repaired or was it already done? When i sold the bike the weld on the bottom left side had cracked from my knees smacking into the tank and it had sprung a rather nasty leak. In the picture i posted of it at Ashtabula you can see where we grout the paint down so we could do a JB weld patch job at the race (it didn't work).

[barnett468]

So you can't alter the frame with a welder to accept whatever tank tickles your fancy?

...and it is potentially far safer and easier to simply modify an aluminum tank to fit it . . I would think that most anyone would realize that but I could be wrong.

[John_Neary]

@barnett468 - i think they just like giving you a hard time, only a *edit because what i said was rude and uncalled for* would cut the back bone of a frame off to fit a gas tank... be like sawing your feet off because the shoes you bought are to small

*edit* no offense to people who like doing things the hard way, but hacking a frame to pieces to fit a gas tank is silly and you know it

[barnett468]

...only a friggin moron would cut the back bone of a frame off to fit a gas tank...

Yes of course John, however, FORTUNATELY for you, you haven't been here long enough to see what some of these guys suggest....or do.


Hey, just give me that hacksaw and bailing wire and I'll fix er right up fer y'all's.

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[John_Neary]

all the same my response was uncalled for as who am i to tell people what to do with their own machines, my apologies to folks making the suggestions to modding the frame

gotta remember to think before i type :)

[onformula1]

all the same my response was uncalled for as who am i to tell people what to do with their own machines, my apologies to folks making the suggestions to modding the frame

gotta remember to think before i type :)

John your the best, but I am kinda surprised that the guy who built, had built, raced, won, won championships and worked with the most innovative fabricators in history and IMHO built the most trick, sano and futuristic trikes ever would have a problem with a frame mod?

Plus, bkm builds killer stuff, is very talented and thinks "outside the box" it would not be a issue for him, heck he could build it out of billet with that huge lathe in his garage.

I my be a moron, but I am a very talented moron...LOL :lol:

[John_Neary]

yeah i am sorry about that "moron" comment, soon as i typed it i knew i had made a mistake in my choose of words, has been one of those days and i should not of posted what i did

you are very talented and i am happy leaving it at that :)

[onformula1]

yeah i am sorry about that "moron" comment, soon as i typed it i knew i had made a mistake in my choose of words, has been one of those days and i should not of posted what i did

you are very talented and i am happy leaving it at that :)

Cool, Thanks.. your a good man.

It's probably my fault sometimes what I would do or suggest doesn't go over well.......but, I have no edit button! :lol:

I am going to leave this thread alone- bkm has it under control (If he needs help, he has the number), but I am going to surprise him with a few things I can control. :lol:

[cochran]

John the JB weld patch was fixed by an aluminum guy in the Twin Cities. It is sitting on a shelf right now with fresh paint. Was there a mount on both sides similar to the T3 or just one on the top near the steering stem? Do you remember who you sold it to? I saw that pic and noticed the repair job. It looked identical to it when I bought it.

[John_Neary]

@cochran - I think it just had the one on the top but i am honestly not 100% sure. I am bringing up a blank on who bought it from us but if it comes back to me ill let you know. That tank was the coolest part of the bike so its awesome you have it.

[cochran]

It really is something special. There were 5 made and jimmy owned 3 of them. Gregg Baker and Donnie Luce each had one as well. It is still unclear who made them, Cal-Fab? I did see another one of Jimmy's that had the traditional mounting style. Your old one had the top mounting tab. A weld nut was then placed under it on the frame.

[John_Neary]

I always assumed they where made by CalFab.

[cochran]

I assume they were. They weren't marked though. I will see if I can find before and after pics.

[86T3]

So....someone parted Jimmy Whites race trike? I hope the dollars they made back then are worth more than the 20's they would have now. What the f

[barnett468]

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John your the best, but I am kinda surprised that the guy who built, had built, raced, won, won championships and worked with the most innovative fabricators in history and IMHO built the most trick, sano and futuristic trikes ever would have a problem with a frame mod?

You need to work on your feeble "attempts” at sarcasm a bit more because it's pretty weak . . Hell even our Grandkids are way better at it than you. :lol:

I also suggest that you work on some bikes a little more and on your keyboard a little less, because wasting time continually making pointless, unwarranted, off handed remarks to me isn't going to benefit anyone, least ways you, that is unless M _ _ _ _ y is paying you t do it. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing013.gif

I know that it makes you feel important to make theses types of remarks to "The Great Barnett" where your online friends can see them but it really only shows how sad and lonely you are, so I actually pity you to some degree . . There are those that do, or have done, and there are those that wish they could . . I will give you a tip . . EVERYTHING that I have been blessed with accomplishing in my life, which has been a lot, was achieved by investing a LOT of time and effort, and I'm talking about 10 hours a day 7 days a week most of the time and with very few vacations in the last 40 years, and I started with nothing but $300.00 my mother gave me, and the ONLY complaint I have, is that I didn't have enough time to do more, so the moral of the story is, the more time and effort you put into something, the better you will get at it which can open other doors and opportunities.

If you think you really have some knowledge then try offering some helpful suggestions over on the thread below…if you can . . Yes that's me over there helping him spend some of his $40,000.00 on his high perf Cuda resto project.

http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthread.php/173865-1974-Plymouth


If you really want to see some of what I can do, then feel free to come out to the Barrett Jackson auction next time I have one of my Concours Trailered Gold Award Winning cars for sale there . . I will even give you gate passes for FREE and you can watch it go across the block to see if it sets a World Record like one of my other cars did there . . I'm guessing you know where that auction is right?

By the way, I am aware that you/oscarmayer are probably using at least one, if not more of the suggestions I posted on his Baja Bike thread, but you can try and outright deny it or have some thin excuse as to how that’s not true if you prefer because I really couldn’t care any less.


As far as my race bike went, it was FAR from a visual master piece with hundreds of one off whazoo stealth parts . . What it was, was the pre-production test bike test bike that had a zillion hours of endurance testing on, and in FACT, I used the same clutch AND cylinder AND ignition that we used for the test . . Aluminum tank...nope not for me . . I could have gotten one from Team Green or wherever they got them if I wanted, but I didn't want to . . I also used a swing arm that I had strengthened slightly then simply reamed the carrier adjustment holes out enough to increase the length by a whopping 3/4 of an inch . . That's right folks, while Jimmy White, and Marty Hart, John Neery and everyone else had a HUGE advantage running their plus 2 and 3 inch swing arms, I was using a basically stock length one . . If you think that was friggen easy to compete on, just ask John what he thinks about it, and when he gets done laughing at what I did, he may may answer you . . Not only that, the rear shock was the test shock and I did NOT even change the oil in it, therefore, for anyone to assume that I occasionally pulled holeshots or placed fairly high in the races because my bike had unobtanium parts, is sorely mistaken.

The ONLY power upgrades I did was to have Harry Klemm port the heavily used cylinder and I used his pipe and a bigger carb . . The port job and pipe were the exact same type that Donnie Luce was running . . Jimmy was using a KX cylinder that Daryl Bassani ported the livin sh_t out of and he had one of Daryls pipes so he had far more hp than we did . . I can assure you that part of the secret to Jimmy's many hole shots was due to his screamin fast bike . . I could have EASILY done the exact same thing especially since I knew Daryl from around 1974 but I intentionally chose not to . . Hell, I could have also simply walked about 100 feet and grabbed a full on left over Works cylinder from Norm in the racing department if I wanted to . . Oh by the way, I as far as I know, I was also the oldest rider there.


I have no problem doing a frame mod myself since that too was part of my job at Kawi, plus I am obviously qualified to do them, however, I'm not going to try and explain how to do one or encourage someone to do one if it is in a critical area.


I have never mentioned very much on the site regarding everything I did at Kawasaki because I'm not the type to try and glorify myself like "some" others are, and I have no frail or needy ego to feed, however, simce you brought the subject up, yes, I sure did build a LOT of stuff at Kawi that one could call advanced, or "futuristic" for the time because that was part of what they paid me to do . . Some of the ideas were mine and some were others . . One thing I built was an entire Jet Ski prototype for the watercraft department . . I had to make the entire hull by hand . . It never had a single problem during the entire test period and it went into production . . I also did some fabrication and engineering on the Jet Mate boat and that went into production . . They asked me to turn a Mule into a snow going vehicle with rear tracks on it which I engineered, fabricated all the parts for and then built myself . . We took it to Mammoth mountain to test it because we decided that the snow at Big Bear Mountain which was only 100 miles away just wasn't good enough, lol.

I was asked by the water craft department to designed and built a removable front flotation device for one of the Jet Ski models that kept plowing its nose in the water, and no, it was not my design that did that . . That part went into production just as I made it with no changes in design.

I engineered and built most of the chassis [minus the cab] for a new 4 wheel drive "Cab Over" concept vehicle which included hand making the suspension arms and the shift on the fly 4 wheel drive section which I also engineered, and that too never had a problem during testing.

I built many other things there too.


You seemed interested enough in my raing history to mention it so I'll give you a little more info about it, plus you can also simply type my name and the words "Cycle News" into the Google search engine and it will appear SEVERAL times in the racing results and will typically be accompanied with the word “PRO” or “EXPERT” next to it for the Motocross Class, and I modified every single one of my bikes myself.

Here's just a few, however, if you sign up for "Vintage Cycle News" online, you will see it MANY more times.


magazine.cyclenews.com/i/126326-cycle-news-1978-08-16/40
Second place with an' almost perfect score went to Greg Ergle while Mike Lillevig and Lee Scheffel's tied for third with the nod going to Lillevig ...

magazine.cyclenews.com/i/127410-cycle-news-1991-12-04/8
Mike Lillevig (H on): 4. Byro n Gree ne (H o n): 5. Ron al d H arrison (Han ).

magazine.cyclenews.com/i/127603-cycle-news-1993-11-24/33
500 EX: 1. Mi ke Lillevig (Ma i) ...

magazine.cyclenews.com/i/126467-cycle-news-1980-04-30/25
Mike Lillevig (Yam). Conway cooks at SRAGP By Sue Senn

magazine.cyclenews.com/i/127695-cycle-news-1994-11-30/21
2SO EX: 1. David Fisher (Oss); 2. Chris Radzinski (Han); 3. Ron Melton (Oss); 4. Mike Lillevig (Yam).


If for any reason you don’t like my post, feel free to complain to Billy again like you and/or your little buddies did with the ones I posted on El Camexican’s build thread which proved beyond ANY reasonable doubt, to ANY rational thinking person, that I was in fact right by saying you guys were wrong, no matter how much you guys kept humorously trying to prove that you were right.

Now, you can either choose to persist in making your unnecessary, off handed remarks to me, or you can continue . . The choice is yours, and yours alone . . That is unless they ban you first . . A place that will ban someone for simply posting a link to a popular singers doll that was being sold on Amazon, sure seems like a place that will ban pretty much anybody, anytime, for pretty much any reason they want.


HEY Barn...thanks for that link to the doll . . I got mine on sale for only $19.95.

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[barnett468]

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Yes, I know there are a couple typos and text errors, BUT....I have no edit button, so that's my story and I'm stickin to it.


Hey Barn...that sure sounds good to me!

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[Jmoozy27]

Another thread polluted with your arrogance. That's a surprise.

Throw around the title "expert" on here like it means something. Post a 3 wheeler build...

Otherwise the only title that sticks out is "assshole" with too much time on your hands.

[cochran]

So....someone parted Jimmy Whites race trike? I hope the dollars they made back then are worth more than the 20's they would have now. What the f
Someone parted it from California. At the time it wasn't known who's trike it was. On eBay a UFO, Cal-Fab swinger, tank, Basanni motor and exhaust and a few other items showed up 6 years ago. Since Jimmy was the only one on Team Green that ran full Basanni I assumed it was him. It wasn't until John confirmed with the JB Weld statement that I was 100%. Definitely a shame that someone parted that trike. None of it went for much money considering the parts.

[cochran]

"I have never mentioned very much on the site regarding everything I did at Kawasaki because I'm not the type to try and glorify myself like "some" others are, and I have no frail or needy ego to feed, however, simce you brought the subject up, yes, I sure did build a LOT of stuff at Kawi that one could call advanced, or "futuristic" for the time because that was part of what they paid me to do . ."
Seriously? That's all you talk about. You do offer occasional solid advice but it is overshadowed by your narcissism. It's like you have to convince yourself how qualified you are to answer every post. Modesty goes a long way. Barnett, please stop the pollution.

[Ghostv2]

One person wants to modify a Kawasaki bike, and all of a sudden a person who worked for Kawasaki gets all butt hurt about it.

[bkm]

Man, I go camping for the weekend and all hell breaks lose.lol
For arguments sake, I'm not modifying anything. The stock tank is going to be used just like God and Barnett intended.

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[cochran]

If you are running a stock tank Terry Hillen can make you a set of 3/8in spacers. He will be selling them for a very resonable price. Grind the stops back and the seat mount and the lock to lock is increased greatly. If you need a tank still I have quite a few sitting around.

[Red Rider]

I also suggest that you work on some bikes a little more and on your keyboard a little less, ...
Let's see here :wondering, onformula1 has been a member here since Feb. 2011 and currently has 1,568 posts, while barnett468 has been a member here since Jan. 2013 and currently has 3,611 posts.

I think we all know who needs to spend more time wrenching & less time typing. ;)

[barnett468]

Let's see here :wondering, onformula1 has been a member here since Feb. 2011 and currently has 1,568 posts, while barnett468 has been a member here since Jan. 2013 and currently has 3,611 posts.

I think we all know who needs to spend more time wrenching & less time typing. ;)

hmmm, another off topic post and someone said that I was "polluting" the thread...xlnt! :lol:

That is an excellent observation, however, the info is incomplete because it does not show that his post count per day etc is much higher within the last year or so than it previously was, and in FACT, it is higher than mine. :lol:

Also, since most everyone here knows that I do NOT often make general conversational posts [mainly because I have little interest in doing so], this means that the huge majority of mine are dedicated to at least trying to help people when I think I might be able to, which I try to do as best, and as thoroughly, and in as much detail as I can in most cases.

As far as the amount of posts I make, and the amount of time I spend making them, there is nothing else I need to do instead because I already put in my time in the working world, and had some success, and saved some money, so I don't HAVE to vulturize people on the internet for it, however, since it is blatantly obvious that onforumula DOES IN FACT openly solicit people on the forum for their business, it proves that he does not have enough business [because he certainly ain't fixin peoples shocks fer free], therefore, perhaps he should also try soliciting business elsewhere or do something in addition to whatever he is currently doing so he can generate income instead of spending, and wasting time, trying to look like a big shot and impress his friends by posting snyde, sarcastic comments about me on the site, because that ain't gonna put no money in his pocket [unless someone is paying him to do it], plus there just simply isn't enough people he can get money out of here to sustain a business.
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[Jmoozy27]

hmmm, another off topic post and someone said that I was "polluting" the thread...xlnt! :lol:

That is an excellent observation, however, the info is incomplete because it does not show that his post count per day etc is much higher within the last year or so than it previously was, and in FACT, it is higher than mine. :lol:

Also, since most everyone here knows that I do NOT often make general conversational posts [mainly because I have little interest in doing so], this means that the huge majority of mine are dedicated to at least trying to help people when I think I might be able to, which I try to do as best, and as thoroughly, and in as much detail as I can in most cases.

As far as the amount of posts I make, and the amount of time I spend making them, there is nothing else I need to do instead because I already put in my time in the working world, and had some success, and saved some money, so I don't HAVE to vulturize people on the internet for it, however, since it is blatantly obvious that onforumula DOES IN FACT openly solicit people on the forum for their business, it proves that he does not have enough business [because he certainly ain't fixin peoples shocks fer free], therefore, perhaps he should also try soliciting business elsewhere or do something in addition to whatever he is currently doing so he can generate income instead of spending, and wasting time, trying to look like a big shot and impress his friends by posting snyde, sarcastic comments about me on the site, because that ain't gonna put no money in his pocket [unless someone is paying him to do it], plus there just simply isn't enough people he can get money out of here to sustain a business.
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It hurts me to type this but it applies so well.... Here goes....

Stop hatin!!!!!

[barnett468]

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Let's see here :wondering, onformula1 has been a member here since Feb. 2011 and currently has 1,568 posts, while barnett468 has been a member here since Jan. 2013 and currently has 3,611 posts.

As I mentioned, that is a great observation, so in addition, maybe I, and others like me, should even get some type of award for dedicating so much time and effort into trying to help others for FREE and by passing on some of the things I was taught and have learned thru personal experience in the 40 plus years I have been working on different vehicles etc.


Hey Barn...I'll give ya a set of steak knives!

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[yaegerb]

Christ almighty, 1 page devoted to butt hurt. Go start another thread bashing each other. I wanna hear about my buddy's progress and thoughts concerning the build. Thank you

[barnett468]

It hurts me to type this but it applies so well.... Here goes....

Stop hatin!!!!!

LOL, It's extremely presumptuous to think that I hate anyone, especially someone that I don't personally know, or care a single thing about, because they have absolutely nothing to do with me, or my family, etc.

It's also arrogant and narcissistic etc for anyone I don't personally know to think that they have enough value to me that they would be worthy of my hatred.

I learned a very, very, long time ago that hatred only eats at the one whom is doing the hating, and it gives the person whom is hated, power over the one whom hates them because they are affecting their emotions.

Barnett 7:11

Living a life while hating anything is not "living" a life at all. :)

[bkm]

I'm guilty of pursuing a pissing match in someone else's thread myself so I'm not going to act as if something like this is beneath me, but lets stay on topic from this point forward.

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[barnett468]

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BKM, my apologies to you and "some" others for going “slightly” off topic on your thread, however, I simply finally got a little annoyed with onformula and wanted to clear a few things up . . This has absolutely nothing to do with you, and I'm extremely confident that you were not going to cut the back bone out of your bike to fit a gas tank . . I am also extremely confident that you, as well as many others here, are more than capable of making any changes to your bikes that you want to and can do them in safe manner . . This is also the last post I will make addressing the problem at hand so everyone can be relieved and continue making whatever comments they care to.

Some want to talk about people “ruining” threads per se, then why don't they point the finger where it belongs and check out some of Mickey Dunlaps threads, and some of you know EXACTLY what I am talking about, and in this case, it ain't Mickey, and in fact, at least one of the more recent threads was locked by the Louis Mielke.

For anyone to think that I could get but hurt by anything anyone here says to me is simply laughable and over confident of anyone that thinks they can have any affect on my emotions at all because I don't personally know anyone here so why in the world should I care what they say?

Now, to the problems . . Onformula has consistently made unwarranted, off handed remarks to me which are simply getting old, and boring, and are detracting from peoples threads, and I'm just finally tired of them and think he should finally stop.

My post was not arrogant or narcissistic, and anyone that thinks it is simply misinterprets it, and the reason I made it which I think is unfortunate, however, since those words have been mentioned, here is an example of both of them in onformula's post below . . I'm not saying his comment isn't true, I'm just saying that it was boastful, arrogant, and unnecessary, and if he really does know enough about shock oil to write a book about it, then he can EASILY prove his claim by simply starting a thread about it, which I for one would LOVE for him to do so I can POSSIBLY learn something NEW about it.


There are many brands that make great fluid for a 30 year old shock.
(I could write a book on this, but it would be boring) :lol:


Here's another one of his posts he recently made on a thread posted by El Camexican, and I know for a fact it is not true, and after I politely mentioned that, he got all twisted and but hurt and also deleted his post.


Stock 2 stroke clutches are engineered to slip a small amount from the factory it helps with wear on the transmission... ...smoother shifting, helps to keep the engine " On the pipe".


I thought the one below he made on this very thread yesterday was also interesting, and I simply can't believe that neither I, nor ANY of the Kawi engineers thought of doing that . . If only we had this info when the bike was originally designed, then Jimmy most certainly would have won more races than he did and ALL the other Kawi riders could have been in front of ALL the Honda guys . . I would also love to know just where he got his qualifications to make this statement but I don't think I have that much time left to wait for his reply.



Kick the frame rake in a couple degrees why you're at it.


If anyone thinks that posting info that is contrary to that which someone else posted is wrong, or arrogant, or narcissistic, then that's their problem, not mine.

Other people can believe anything he says and kiss up to him all they want, but I am NOT, nor will I EVER be, one of them, and if nobody starts nothin...there won't be nothin . . It's really an incredibly simple concept.
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[barnett468]

I'm guilty of pursuing a pissing match in someone else's thread myself so I'm not going to act as if something like this is beneath me, but lets stay on topic from this point forward.

BKM, I didn't see this post until after I sent my previous post because I started typing in the reply box before you posted, so my apologies again, and I would GLADLY erase it for you, however, as you know....after a few years and around 3,600 posts...I am still not worthy of an edit button. :)

Also, this was not a pissing match on my end as my post above hopefully shows, I'm just simply getting tired of some of the nonsense.

Rock on with your build!
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[bkm]

Look at what gas tank I found now!
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/31/78e98c8e3dca216e6de58c1fef0051c3.jpg

[Jmoozy27]

He'll yeah bkm, that's gonna look sharp... Have you checked fitment???

[OZQUAD44]

You've spoilt a good thread by this in house bickering guys. Breath in the love boys.

P.S. That swing arm in the picture is awesome. That is going to be one nice tecate when it's all done. I'm eagerly awaiting to see which way you go with the tank.


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[onformula1]

Look at what gas tank I found now!
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/31/78e98c8e3dca216e6de58c1fef0051c3.jpg

Did you buy the whole bike?

[bkm]

Did you buy the whole bike?
Unfortunately it was being parted out on Facebook. It looked like a solid bike to save.

[onformula1]

Ok, dang I had some ideas rolling through my head...LOL

[onformula1]

The front fender, side panels and rear fender are not the correct year, and it's missing the air box.

[Tecate250]

Great Build my friend.I love the side mounted rad. Havent seen many of those. To use this site properly you have to ignore the dorks who have nothing better to do then ruin posts. I see nothing has changed here on 3ww. The best guys in the world haveing pissing matches. Ill say this would have happened in the early days of 3ww or 3ww.org. Also thanks barret for stealing my tecate picture. I guess your the tecate know it all.

[onformula1]

Teaser pics
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/05/6735f5e9d32cefaf0056b163fd327a07.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/05/d03f9c39fbce9a4a169a293999967281.jpg

This shock had a lot of scratches, wear marks and is 30 years old. So I cleaned it up a bit.

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[oldskool83]

I tried to buy that bike last winter, he parted in very local to me and kept the motor.