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Scootertrash
11-14-2015, 11:46 PM
So many people on here refer to ISIS and probably don't know much more than the mainstream media reports on. I won't give a history lesson on the formation of ISIS, but below are some facts and references that can help educate you should you feel so inclined (and you should know your enemy...) Additionally, I'm not much of a Beck fan, but his new book "It IS about Islam" is an easily accessible well referenced book. I read it in about 4 hours, and it was well worth the time. Anyone else who cares to contribute, please do!




What should we call them? Before Abu Bakr al Baghdadi declared the re-establishment of the caliphate and the change of his group's name to simply the Islamic State, the organization called itself the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS and not ISIL). This name in its original form is significant since Islamic eschatology sees the region of al-Sham as not simply the geographic area of the Levant, but also as the site of the 'Final Jihad' before Judgement Day. This means that those who fight in this 'Holy War' are qualitatively better than all previous jihadists from other theaters such as Afghanistan, Bosnia, or Chechnya. The special status of this conflict zone helps to explain the enormous number of Western fighters recruited by ISIS.




What is ISIS? ISIS is a full-fledged self-generated transnational insurgency. Al Qaeda by comparison was an international terrorist organization. Al Qaeda operated in multiple countries, but stopped short of operating and holding territory in multiple nations simultaneously. ISIS is a new level of insurgency;before Ramadi ISIS held territories larger than the UK in two separate countries at the same time. Additionally, they hold those territories in broad daylight.



ISIS is fully funded. They make an estimated $2-4M a day on illicit activities such as oil sales, slavery, looting historic sites, etc. Their liquidity is estimated at 400 million dollars currently. For an idea of what that much money can do, AQI only spent a total of $500K to fund the 9/11 attacks.



ISIS is well manned. They have recruited an estimated 22 thousand foreign fighters in roughly the past 6 months. For comparison, AQI in the 1980’s was called the the M.A.K., and led only 50K foreign fighters over the course of a DECADE.

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What does ISIS believe? ISIS in a nutshell believes in 7th century fundamental Islam. Unlike Christianity, Islam has yet to undergo a reform. They are literally quoting the Quran and certain Hadith for legitimacy. You must understand that for Muslims, the Quran has a fundamentally different relationship to the believer than the Bible does for Christians. The Quran is not to be interpreted by the end user like the Bible is by Christians, but rather taken literally and as an instruction. Supporting documents such as the Hadith (collection of Mohammads thoughts on various issues) reinforce and serve as further guidance for Muslims.

Muslims must fight non-believers: Quran 2:216

The goal of fighting is to spread Islam: Quran 8:38

Muslims must fight until Islam is universal: Sahih Muslim 1:30-33

Permission to fight non believers: Quran 22:39
Disbelievers fight directly for satan, so Muslims must fight all unbelievers: Quran 4:76

Use terror to spread Islam: Quran 8:60

Sahih al-Bukhari 4:52:220

Those who fight and die against non believers will be rewarded: Quran 4:74, Quran 47:4-6

Muslims should not co-exist with Christians/Jews, if they do they are no better than them: Quran 5:51

Unbelievers are "monkeys and swine”: Quran 5:60




What is their plan? It isn’t a secret, the book has been written on this and published openly.The playbook they are using is called "The Managment of Savagery", and the link to read it is below. They have a 3 phase plan listed below, however it is important to understand the phases are not strictly linear. Phases 1,2,3 may be occurring simultaneously in different areas or even concurrently in the same spot.

PHASE 1: "Vexation”

Distract and exhaust the infidel enemy and his allies. Emphasis on smaller dramatic operations (not

9/11s) to prepare fighting units for Phase 2

PHASE 2: "Spread Savagery”

Move to coordinated unconventional warfare to "dislodge” nations from local control

PHASE 3: "Administer Savagery / Consolidate / Expand”

Stabilize held areas

Unite population as fighting community

Implement sharia and govern so establishing "base-state” used to attack and

expand into neighboring nations.




How will we win?

A mix of skull smashing (which we are good at) and information warfare (which we are bad at). Best comprehensive idea I've heard has been from Sebastian Gorka https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastian_Gorka, who I had the pleasure of talking with. I won't steal his thunder, you can read the short 1-2 page proposal at the link below.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7voPGPIKJoTamxjU3FZdmRsa1VwU0dDQWZobzZVZ0JqSlVV/view?usp=sharing




How do I learn more? The following references are good reads, but start with the source documents of Islam: Quran, The Hadith, etc.

Abu Bakr Naji: Management of Savagery: The Most Critical Stage Through Which the Islamic Nation Will Pass



This text on how an Islamic insurgentforce must leverage chaos within a civilian population was written after 9/11. It informs much of what ISIS and other groups like Boko Haram, al Shabab and the al Nusra Front are doing currently.

https://www.physics.wisc.edu/undergrads/courses/206-f07/files/reference_chapter07/Management_of_Savagery.pdf


Abdullah Azzam: Defense of Muslim Lands

The founder of Al Qaeda, Osama bin Laden’s boss and spiritual guide, Azzam had a Ph.D. in Islamic Jurisprudence from the most important Sunni institution in the world, which gave him the credentials to issue fatwas. After the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan he issued the fatwa Defense of Muslim Lands which makes jihad fard ‘ayn: a universal and individual obligation for all Muslims. Until ISIS formally re-established the Caliphate in Iraq and Syria in 2014, this document was the most important theological justification for modern jihad.

http://thegorkabriefing.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/azzam-defense_of_the_muslim_lands.pdf



Brigadier General S.K. Malik: The Quranic Concept of War

This is the most important strategic jihadist text on war and the infidel. The Pakistani general who authored the book has three messages. 1) War never serves the interest of the state. All war must serve the realization of Allah’s sovereignty on Earth by re-establishing the Caliphate through Jihad. 2) The only center-of-gravity of the enemy is the soul of the infidel: they must be converted to Islam or killed. 3) Because the soul of the enemy is the only important target, the best mode of war is terror.

http://thegorkabriefing.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/malik-quranic-concept-of-war.pdf


Sayyed Qutb: Milestones

The Muslim Brotherhood (MB) strategist who is second in importance only to the MB founder Hassan al Banna, Qutb’s book Milestones is the Field Manual of "Global Jihadism.” Qutb saw Islam not just as a religion but as a supremacist revolutionary political movement with a global mission to establish the Caliphate and sharia-based control everywhere. The book is explicit in its condemnation of all political systems where humans make the laws, especially democracies. <o:p></o:p>

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9UK4WbD_y24UTJhVG1OeGRTTlk/edit?pli=1

Jmoozy27
11-15-2015, 12:34 AM
Good reads scooter...

Scootertrash
11-15-2015, 01:33 PM
Why do you have to throw politics into everything? Oooooo!!!OOooOOoOoo!!!! Someone said "Beck"!!!! Right wing conspiracy!!! Bush and Cheney did it!! Rogue bands of misguided thermite!

What's your solution? More jobs? At $15 an hour?

Do you really think these ISIS/Al Queada D-bags understand anything but violence?

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I know! Let's everybody get stoned and peace out maaaaan

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poolieZerUK
11-15-2015, 06:20 PM
I thought the world was a safer place when Dick and Don were running the show

knappyfeet
11-15-2015, 08:43 PM
Do you really think these ISIS/Al Queada D-bags understand anything but violence?

Agreed. The very 2 things that would need to be done to ensure this countries safety and the defeat of these extremists will never..EVER.. be done by this country.

I honestly feel even if an atomic bomb was detonated in Chicago or Washington DC...........I still think this country will never do what it will take to defeat this crap.

redsox
11-15-2015, 09:47 PM
Good read. here i was thinking they were the JV.

Scootertrash
11-16-2015, 10:08 AM
NO you blow on post #42 of the immigrant thread about democraps brain function so i figured it was YOUR agenda !

So? prove me wrong about the Liberal mindset. I'm not the only one here who calls out the Dem/Liberal/Progressives for their lame ass bullsh!t, but I'm the only one you call out for doing it.

Want some more Liberal Democrat Progressive thinking?


http://www.investing.com/news/world-news/obama-moves-to-accelerate-syrian-refugee-plan-in-wake-of-paris-attacks-371265

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U.S. president Barack Obama said his administration is moving to "increase and accelerate" admissions of Syrian refugees into the U.S. in the wake of Friday night's terrorist attacks in Paris.

While issuing a brief statement from the White House press room, Obama said the U.S. stands ready to provide aid to France following the attacks. At least 60 people are feared to be dead in a wave of terrorist attacks in Central France, CNN's Paris affiliate BFMTV reported on Friday evening. Reports from BFMTV indicate that there were six separate shootings in the French capital during the attacks, as well as three explosions near the Stade de France soccer stadium. Hostages were also captured at a theater in the 10th district of Paris, BFMTV reported, one of at least three sites where the shootings took place. Reports also surfaced of a shooting at a restaurant in East Paris.

White House insists that Syrian refugees will be subject to effective background checks

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/white-house-gop-spar-on-syrian-refugee-policy-after-paris-attacks/


On Sunday, House Homeland Security Committee chairman Michael McCaul, R-Texas, told NBC News that the refugee crisis "causes a great concern on the part of policymakers, because we don't want to be complicit with a program that could bring potential terrorists into the United States."
But Ben Rhodes, the White House deputy national security adviser, is pushing back against the GOP insistence that the U.S. Syrian refugee policy must change.

Making the rounds on political talk shows Sunday morning, Rhodes affirmed that the country is still poised to take in migrants from the war-torn country.

"We're still planning to take in Syrian refugees," Rhodes said on Fox News Sunday. "We have very robust vetting procedures for those refugees. It involves our intelligence community, our National Counterterrorism Center, extensive interviews, vetting them against all information."

How exactly do you vett THOUSANDS of people from a war torn country in a state of chaos, when our government can't even process legitimate applications for citizenship in a timely manner?

Obama says ISIS can't strike in the US


Antalya, Turkey (CNN)President Barack Obama's national security team is sending a message Sunday that might lend at least a glimmer of reassurance to Americans traumatized by the terror attacks in Paris.

Saying that while the ISIS ambition is certainly there to launch similar attacks on U.S. shores, the capability is not great.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/15/politics/isis-us-threat-paris-attacks/index.html


Look scooter buds! ..... those flavor crystals ... Mrs. Olsen says they`re the richest kind !! They make me incompetent don`t you think ....or don`t you ? :beer:beer

I'll let your posts speak for themselves. ;)

I'm busy soaking in Palmolive. Madge does a great hand job and my nails are flawless!

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Caminofeld
11-16-2015, 11:24 AM
Not that he's necessarily going to have my vote, but I liked Trump's response to ISIS/ Syria…which was to let Russia handle it. Let them run up insane military debt, loss of life, and use of resources in what surely will be a long, drawn out war…meanwhile we can decrease the national debt and, at the same time, afford to rebuild our military to [at least] what it once was (in size, not technology…although I'm stoked to see they're using the A-10's again:) Let another world power suffer some of the long lasting effects of war with jihadists and give us time to recover/rebuild.

Scootertrash
11-16-2015, 11:42 AM
You`re right scooter i have deep feelings for you ......i hope you don`t mind .......i love you !.......can we go to a Trump rally together ?



Only if you keep your hands where I can see them!! ;) :naughty: :lol:

Scootertrash
11-16-2015, 11:45 AM
Not that he's necessarily going to have my vote, but I liked Trump's response to ISIS/ Syria…which was to let Russia handle it. Let them run up insane military debt, loss of life, and use of resources in what surely will be a long, drawn out war…meanwhile we can decrease the national debt and, at the same time, afford to rebuild our military to [at least] what it once was (in size, not technology…although I'm stoked to see they're using the A-10's again:) Let another world power suffer some of the long lasting effects of war with jihadists and give us time to recover/rebuild.

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend".......(until he's MY enemy again)

I like this idea, but we'll still have to deal with them here. They want America to go down in flames.

ironchop
11-16-2015, 12:05 PM
Silly guys.....the only way to stop Radical Islam is with hugs, tolerance, and those GoodGuy Badges the Social Justice Warriors give away over on Facecrook for changing your profile pic to show that you are "united" with France.....and how brave you are taking a semi-anonymous stand against Hate and other intangible and arbitrary emotions from behind the safety of your laptop or smart phone....I`m so cool and awesome! Look how I, too, am taking a stand against Hate. One tiny downvote and suddenly I am the Exhalted One! One "like" against Jihad and I am just like a soldier. Tom Cruise said so. I also singlehandedly took down those cake baking bigots with my snarky posts and my stinging memes. That`s how I roll. All individualistic and sh!t. I roll my own and I keep on trucking because I`m a GoodGuy and if you aren`t "with that" then you like Evil and eat babies and kill puppies. Meme to come....nevermind I`m a feminist but I agree with Bruce that to be a real woman, one only needs to get boobs and lose a penis. Because that's what constitutes a real woman. The rest is just made up in their own head I`m so tolerant. #hypocrite #BruceVajenner

How dumb is a War on Emotions?

War on Terror
War on Hate

WOW....do these people see how F@#$ING ignorant they look?

I can`t wait to see those people shame all the jihadists to death on Tweaker #BadAhmed #IH8Islam #Lookatme #Lovemyself #selfie

Scootertrash
11-16-2015, 01:02 PM
IIRC he still has his unit. Even after they get a complete change over it's still a peepee, it's just inside out.

For those of you that just read that:

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RIDE-RED 250r
11-16-2015, 04:46 PM
Not that he's necessarily going to have my vote, but I liked Trump's response to ISIS/ Syria…which was to let Russia handle it. Let them run up insane military debt, loss of life, and use of resources in what surely will be a long, drawn out war…meanwhile we can decrease the national debt and, at the same time, afford to rebuild our military to [at least] what it once was (in size, not technology…although I'm stoked to see they're using the A-10's again:) Let another world power suffer some of the long lasting effects of war with jihadists and give us time to recover/rebuild.

Agree with you accept for what is highlighted, in that it won't ever happen under this regime and if we continue on the path we are currently traveling.

It's a sad day when a person like me has more respect for the Russian pres than our own.. And I am far from the only person who feels this way. Devil his due, the man has balls and takes no BS from these islamic barbarians. On his bad side is not a place I want to be, and I think that sometime in the not too distant future we will be there. Not necessarily in a military scope, but economically. Russia/Putin will make the US it's trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro before we are done here.

ironchop
11-16-2015, 05:00 PM
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It's a sad day when a person like me has more respect for the Russian pres than our own.. And I am far from the only person who feels this way. Devil his due, the man has balls and takes no BS from these islamic barbarians. On his bad side is not a place I want to be, and I think that sometime in the not too distant future we will be there. ......

No, you are definitely not alone. All 5 machinists in my shop including myself have uttered this very statement as of late.

I will never trust him because he is KGB but sadly, I have more respect and admiration for him than ANY current global leader. He is definitely the only leader on Earth right now with the masculinity and fortitude to fight this madness. All the rest are Pacifist or toothless blowhards....neither of which ever won a fight in their lives but oddly rely on the protections of the more violently inclined to feel safe. Irony?

ironchop
11-16-2015, 05:57 PM
see this video....


https://youtu.be/ZcaCDDt_6ZA

Scootertrash
11-17-2015, 10:51 AM
Thanks for the "eye opening documentary" 'chop.

Sad part is, a large majority of people, including many on this site, won't figure it out until it's too late

Scootertrash
11-17-2015, 04:41 PM
There's a pudding joke in there.........

El Camexican
11-17-2015, 07:13 PM
All in all .... Trump will just build a wall !!

Can't get it out of my head. Wish I had the voice to make a video...


We don't need no immigration
We don't need no border control
No damn spanglish in the classroom
ICE man leave them wets alone
Hey! ICE man! leave the wets alone!
All in all you're just another brick in Trump’s wall.
All in all you're just another brick in Trump’s wall.

We don't need no immigration
We don't need no border control
No damn spanglish in the classroom
ICE man leave them wets alone
Hey! ICE man! leave the wets alone!
All in all you're just another brick in Trump’s wall.
All in all you're just another brick in Trump’s wall.

-smooth guitar solo-

"Juan, do it again!"
"Juan, do it again!"
"If you don't swim the river, you can't have any freebies. how can you
Have any freebies if you don't swim the river?"
"you! yes, you behind the brushes, stand still puto!"♪

Scootertrash
11-17-2015, 09:11 PM
http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing001.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php) http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing001.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

El Camexican
11-18-2015, 12:15 AM
see this video....


https://youtu.be/ZcaCDDt_6ZA

Maybe we can move to where these guys left? Thank God you guys are armed is all I can think. Europe is shagged.

barnett468
11-18-2015, 06:10 AM
Hey! ICE man! leave the wets alone!

Oh...My...GOD!

http://www.picgifs.com/graphics/l/laughing/graphics-laughing-867787.gif

Scootertrash
11-18-2015, 09:46 PM
Maybe we can move to where these guys left? Thank God you guys are armed is all I can think. Europe is shagged.

I used to be armed, until I lost all my guns in a very unfortunate boating accident........


And my arms are too skinny to be considered "guns". Well, maybe BB guns......................

ironchop
11-19-2015, 03:58 PM
this woman is an American ex-pat. Pay close attention to what she says.


https://youtu.be/MFE0qAiofMQ

redsox
11-19-2015, 10:24 PM
Thanks for the "eye opening documentary" 'chop.

Sad part is, a large majority of people, including many on this site, won't figure it out until it's too late

i see what you did there

Scootertrash
11-20-2015, 08:48 PM
;)

'chop's post was a good doc, but part of the problem in this country is more people are worried about getting F'ed up than getting F'ed over. I wonder how many of the 630 views of this thread actually WATCHED that little video.
And out of those who did, I wonder how many actually think that the USA will have the same problem eventually, and how many just said "Whatever, maaann"


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El Camexican
11-21-2015, 11:39 AM
Yeah the Jews want to destroy Europe and the US with racial integration but punish their own people in Israel for doing it ! I say equal bashing for Jews and Araabs !.......did we ever need either one ? :wondering:wondering Game over maann ....whatever maann because all your spoiled little brats will have deal with diss ......up in diss muvfocker !

It's "a Jew" not all Jews and Jews stopped killing other people out of hate about 1,500 years before Christians did. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Today that would be Jews (less that c*nt in the video) as it seems to me that most Muslims will want me dead before the end of this decade.

If you still think 911 was an inside job just answer me one question: How did the masterminds pull it off silence all the people who coordinated the effort, fired the missiles, planted the explosives, detonated them, cleaned up the Pentagon, supplied the jets, etc.?

Scootertrash
11-21-2015, 12:09 PM
It's "a Jew" not all Jews and Jews stopped killing other people out of hate about 1,500 years before Christians did. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Today that would be Jews (less that c*nt in the video) as it seems to me that most Muslims will want me dead before the end of this decade.

If you still think 911 was an inside job just answer me one question: How did the masterminds pull it off silence all the people who coordinated the effort, fired the missiles, planted the explosives, detonated them, cleaned up the Pentagon, supplied the jets, etc.?

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If you still think 911 was an inside job just answer me one question: How did the masterminds pull it off silence all the people who coordinated the effort, fired the missiles, planted the explosives, detonated them, cleaned up the Pentagon, supplied the jets, etc.?

Myself and others here have brought this up a few times before. The result?:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQFEY9RIRJA

ironchop
11-21-2015, 12:36 PM
I don't think its all the Jews....real and adopted (Ashkenazim)

I think its a few people of Ashkenazim ancestry who use and hide behind The Jews® to get what they want....Global Domination.

You have to know the difference between the biblical Hebrews Jesus was one of and today's European Jews with a Zionist slant.

Most Jews of any kind are neither aware nor involved in anything they get accused of. I believe this wholeheartedly and there are groups of Jews who protest Zionism publicly in large groups.

The group who converted to Judaism around 600 AD or so from the Caucasus are NOT the same biblical Jews most American Christians think they are defending. ......huge difference.

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El Camexican
11-21-2015, 05:20 PM
Actually i don`t give a fack what anyone believes !

That's exactly what I said the time I hand crafted a scaled model of Mount Rushmore out of sand and my friends said it was just a bucket of sand upside down with two smiley faces on it.
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Never let the truth get in the way of a good story!:lol:Hoosier Daddy:lol:

Scootertrash
11-21-2015, 08:12 PM
They spent more money investigating where Saundra Levy went then the 911 commission !!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96VRfQU7voI

Scootertrash
11-21-2015, 08:14 PM
That's exactly what I said the time I hand crafted a scaled model of Mount Rushmore out of sand and my friends said it was just a bucket of sand upside down with two smiley faces on it.


Would you make me a replica for my coffee table??

ironchop
11-21-2015, 08:53 PM
Sometimes, I secretly wish I was one of those people who just didn't give a damn about any of it. No current events. No television. I like the internet too much to give that up though.

So, what happened with Toyota announcing they were going to find out how ISIS was cruising an entire desert fleet of new Tundras...did they give up already? Shouldn't be rocket science.





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Scootertrash
11-21-2015, 09:24 PM
You and me both. I think it's good to try to keep up on it tho.

Fleet pricing? :naughty: :lol:

Scootertrash
11-21-2015, 09:51 PM
I'm part Hutt and part Toydarian. :Bounce:Bounce ;) But I am wearing Princess Leia's bikini. :naughty::naughty:

El Camexican
11-21-2015, 10:07 PM
Would you make me a replica for my coffee table??
Sorry, ever since the “What do you mean that wasn’t a Tootsie Roll???” incident some 45 year’s ago I’ve been scared to work with sand.


So, what happened with Toyota announcing they were going to find out how ISIS was cruising an entire desert fleet of new Tundras...did they give up already? Shouldn't be rocket science
I fully expect the 2018 line to include the Toyota Tundra Taliban Edition with standard digital camo paint and a 3 point bed mounted tripod with multiple mounting options.


It`s good to know that the Jedi mind trick works so good on Midwest Conservatives and people who live in foreign countries !
Everyone but Toydarian’s and sometimes Jabda The Hutt

ironchop
11-21-2015, 10:42 PM
It`s good to know that the Jedi mind trick works so good on Midwest Conservatives and people who live in foreign countries !
So what's your excuse? Your tax dollars fund the most powerful Liberal empire of all 50 States. Imperial Kalifornia. You are subject to European style gun control, environmentalism on PCP, Hollywood, San Francisco, and Berkeley.

I'd say the KoolAid is much stouter on the left coast.

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sweetip2000
11-22-2015, 03:42 AM
This is all a distraction. The economy is crashing and other countries are dumping the amerikan petrol dollar. We have a real time unemployment rate of almost 30%. The latest stats from social security just in. 50 % of ALL amerikans make 30 thousand a year or less. thats if your lucky enough to have a job. The economy is crashing and this will be the worst for retail this holiday season.

Its all about something called Problem Reaction Solution. The people who create the problem (fear) want to protect you from it.
Its the oldest mafia trick in the book and people buy into the fear every time they turn on the mouthpiece of this bullshit pageant called Television. These news channels on TV are responsible for lying to us about everything including 911 and all the other BS known as "history".

So the economy is crashing and so what do they do ? They create another war and use the news to sell you that war.
Just like what happened on 911 the same for sandy hook and all the other "drills... False flag events to get you to rally and get behind and root for the war.

Because all they can do the powers that be are to create war when all else fails. So its very important you understand not to fear.
The question you must ask yourself is who creates this fear ? Its simple. Just follow the money and you will find out.

The enemy is within and looking at you every time you you watch TV. Its time to cancel your basic cable and you can get basic TV with a digital antennae. Dont give the propaganda machine your money. And another thing about voting. False choices.
If it were good for the people you would not be allowed to vote.

So go ahead and do nothing. Its the same thing as approving the high level of treason and tyranny crimes against humanity and an insult to all life and good things including love and happiness. Look how many are miserable and depressed.

Scootertrash
11-22-2015, 08:34 AM
“If you don't read the newspaper, you're uninformed. If you read the newspaper, you're mis-informed.”

― Mark Twain

That quote works for television too.

Problem is, one needs to have SOME information. The bigger problem is you have to run a lot of info thru the sh!t filter to get even modicum of truth. The BIGGEST problem? EMOTIONAL INVOLVEMENT.

If we have a disagreement and you start throwing out comments like "Well, I feel sorry for......", "It's the compassionate thing to do....", "How can you be so insensitive to...." and the biggest one for me "Don't you want to help the women and children?....", You've just lost most of any respect I had for your argument. Why? You are not using logic to guide your actions, you are too emotionally involved to make rational decisions.

In keeping with the topic of this thread:

If you are Muslim and you don't publicly denounce these attacks for what they are, outright murder of innocents who don't believe in your imaginary friend, (and a lot of your fellow Muslims who were in the wrong place at the wrong time). Then as far as I'm concerned you condone these murders.

As far as the economy and unemployment, well, if someone doesn't think they are making enough money, get off your ass and do something about it. The only thing holding anyone back is lack of ambition and drive. The "I have 3 kids and can't make time for school or some other form of education is BS. Maybe you should have thought about that before you started popping out kids?

The unemployment rate we hear about is the biggest lie about the economy, aside from the media telling us the economy is improving. Want to know why the Unemployment rate is what it is? Take a look at this article about Disability benefits. It's from NPR, so all of you FOX News haters don't have anything to trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro about:

http://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/

Scootertrash
11-22-2015, 08:44 AM
So what's your excuse? Your tax dollars fund the most powerful Liberal empire of all 50 States. Imperial Kalifornia. You are subject to European style gun control, environmentalism on PCP, Hollywood, San Francisco, and Berkeley.

I'd say the KoolAid is much stouter on the left coast.

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Commiefornia, the land of fruits, nuts, and flakes.

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I think there are a lot of people who will "Do something" about it. It just needs to get bad enough first.

fieldy
11-22-2015, 09:59 AM
Well its closing in on the holiday season and the year will be coming to an end soon. Once again i will briefly ponder .....what problem has the government and its employees not made any worse, same answer as last 25 years, none!

They know how to keep a good supply of illegal drugs, certain educated bread winners working to tax, certain percent people doing nothing but getting fat, certain amount of people in poverty, percent of people paying fines, chaos escalating and cant do one thing right for the people (old America people / better America people), how can that be? Smart as a fox, that's why! This must all be run by someone's imaginary friend.
Once in a while they pave a highway in the county and food is sort of cheap if that's all you have to buy, that's all I come up with again this year.
A double doublecross....well glad I got that over with early this year.

El Camexican
11-22-2015, 10:35 AM
Its time to cancel your basic cable and you can get basic TV with a digital antennae.

And not keep up with the Kardashian's? Sounds like terrorist talk to me!

(seriously,great post!)

Bren_downe
11-27-2015, 01:39 AM
Here's the view from the stage. Eagles of Death Metal, the band playing the Bataclan,

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n74HBrrFnIc