rear shock rebuild?...questions

[ATCT]

As I'm tearing down my 250R for rebuild, I'm thinking I might want to get my rear shock rebuild. It feels pretty stiff with very little travel. While this trike is mostly original and complete, I don't think much maintenance has ever been done on it. Therefore, I plan taking apart and putting new seals and oil in the front. But, after inspection, I might decide to send out the rear.

1) Honda pin spanners are pretty expensive. Any alternate/cheaper suggestions?

2) If I should send out for a rebuild, any recommendations? And what can I expect to pay assuming everything is ok with it?

I'm definitely going to try the steps in the Honda service manual first. I'm sure I can find a place in AZ to have it refilled with nitrogen.

Thanks for the help.

[John_Neary]

You should contact onformula1 here on the forums, he is a suspension expert and a heck of a nice guy. He helped me with my Ohlins shock that was a bit of a basket case and now its like a new shock.

[ATCT]

Thanks for the info!

[barnett468]

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If you think the front is also too soft, you can get stiffer straight wound or progressive wound springs for around $75.00 . . You can also run a little heavier oil and slightly higher oil level, if it's really soft . . The standard oil is ATF which s around 7wt . . You could try 10wt for a small but noticeable increase in firmness or go to 15wt if you are around 200 with gear and/or you do big jumps with it.

If the front is ok for you but "sags" to far when you sit on t, you can just get some pcv pipe the same size as the springs and cut two pieces around 1" long and put those in last on top of the springs . . This will raise the front up almost 1".

For the rear shock, I would call Race Tech Suspension and possibly another rebuilder and use the one you feel most comfortable with.

For anything from a simple oil change to complete rebuilding or revalving of your original shock or forks, Race Tec Suspension can do it all at very competitive prices . . Their labor cost to clean and rebuild most shocks is only $100.00.

They are one of the biggest and best suspension rebuilding and modification companies in the world, and through feedback gained from the many riders they sponsor and thousands of customers they have acquired in the 30 years since they opened their doors, they have accumulated a massive data base which they can review to further help them set your suspension up just right the first time . . They are also the inventors of the very popular Gold Valve Emulators, so no one knows how to tune this system better then they do.

They can fix most rebuildable shocks irregardles of brand or age, and their turn around time is usually less than 1 week which gets you back to annoying your neighbors or burning up your favorite trail or track in a very short time, so why take chances with anyone else whom may have far less knowledge and experience, and whom may also take up to 6 weeks or more to return your parts.

They also sell a book which explains how suspension works and it also offers setup tips etc . . It was written by RACE TECHS owner Paul Thede whom is also a certified mechanical design engineer.

http://racetech.com/page/title/Suspension%20Bible


Try RACE TECH SUSPENSION if second place and second rate just isn't good enough.

Phone 951-279-6655

http://www.racetech.com/


Lindemann Suspension 909-838-4587

http://www.le-suspension.com/shock-services/

[Mr. Clean]

ATCT, PM onformula1 here on 3ww, he is in surprise az, local to you.

[barnett468]

1) Honda pin spanners are pretty expensive. Any alternate/cheaper suggestions?

If you are referring to the wrench to turn the large thin nuts under the shock spring, you can by a 10" long drift and use any hammar, but a fairly heavy one is best . . Just place the nose of the drift on the side of a tab on the bottom nut and whack it . . They don't need to be very tight to keep from loosening . . You can also put a very thin layer of grease between the nuts which will aid the tightening and loosening process but it will not cause the bottom nut to loosen if you tighten it with "moderate" force . . I do not put grease on the shock or nut threads.

In some cases, if the rear wheels are in the air, you can rotate the spring by hand after loosening the bottom nut to loosen or tighten the nut under the spring because it will often turn with the spring . . Just clean the threads with brake cleaner or similar and a tooth brush if necessary before turning anything . . Sometimes a little WD40 will also help but I clean it off afterwards if you use it so it doesn't attract and accumulate dirt.

The drift/punch/alignment tool/bearing remover etc I used many times for that purpose looks nearly identical to this . . You can get them from any tool store or Craftsman from Sears or Chinese cheapos from Ebay etc.

.........................................http://public.snapon.com/R_RRD/Objects_lg/images/PPC905A.jpg

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[ATCT]

ATCT, PM onformula1 here on 3ww, he is in surprise az, local to you.

Done! Thanks!!

[ATCT]

If you are referring to the wrench to turn the large thin nuts under the shock spring, you can by a 10" long drift and use any hammar, but a fairly heavy one is best . . Just place the nose of the drift on the side of a tab on the bottom nut and whack it . . They don't need to be very tight to keep from loosening . . You can also put a very thin layer of grease between the nuts which will aid the tightening and loosening process but it will not cause the bottom nut to loosen if you tighten it with "moderate" force . . I do not put grease on the shock or nut threads.

In some cases, if the rear wheels are in the air, you can rotate the spring by hand after loosening the bottom nut to loosen or tighten the nut under the spring because it will often turn with the spring . . Just clean the threads with brake cleaner or similar and a tooth brush if necessary before turning anything . . Sometimes a little WD40 will also help but I clean it off afterwards if you use it so it doesn't attract and accumulate dirt.

The drift/punch/alignment tool/bearing remover etc I used many times for that purpose looks nearly identical to this . . You can get them from any tool store or Craftsman from Sears or Chinese cheapos from Ebay etc.

.........................................http://public.snapon.com/R_RRD/Objects_lg/images/PPC905A.jpg

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Thanks for the tip.

[El Camexican]

Done! Thanks!!

Good to see you patronizing a 3WW member and fellow triker!:beer Post some pics of it when you get it back, his stuff is sweet!

[ironchop]

Barnett.....WTF is it that everytime someone says call Milner (onformula) on this forum, you tell them to call Race tech instead?

I don't know if you knew but its kind of a dick move. Once was fine but you're starting to look like a Racetech employee.

Maybe it wouldn't bother me so much if RaceTech was on this forum.doing as much as Milner has for so many others.

Just saying..
Carry on

[tecaterob]

I have used both and prefer to use Milner. He knows his stuff.

[El Camexican]

I have used both and prefer to use Milner. He knows his stuff.

Yea, but you won't hear him spout off about it. He seems to be one of those guys that lets his work speak for itself. I knew he did suspension work, but the first time I saw a photo of one of his refurbished shocks my jaw dropped. I wish I was closer to AZ, there's a bunch of things I'd be dropping off at his place.

[cochran]

Milner all the way. He is has incredible skills at rebuilding suspension. He is a suspension genius.

[onformula1]

Thanks, guys for the nice comments that makes the last 29 years, tens of thousands of hours and huge $$$ spent all worthwhile.

[onformula1]

ATCT sent me a Pm with a few questions, since it did not contain sensitive info I am going to answer them here so it may help others.

As always everything is- IMHO
*Is me*

I was directed towards you regarding some questions I had about shocks on my 84 250R. I don't think it's ever been maintained well, so I am pulling it all apart, repainting it, including doing the necessary service on the front and rear shocks.

I plan on buying new seals and fork boots for the front forks. Had 1 question for this:

*I only you OEM seals, nothing comes close and they are not that much more- http://www.partzilla.com/parts/search/Honda/ATV/1984/ATC250R+A/FRONT+FORK+83-84/parts.html If you must use aftermarket seals the Bikemaster's are the best because they are made by NOK, but they are made by NOK Italy which is not as good as NOK Japan*

*The best fork boots are the discontinued OEM boots, many aftermarket boots don't fit well or don't last long, oldschool83 is a member on here and sells fork boots for ATC's from what I have seen/heard they seem to fit and work well, contact him.*

--what size fork seal driver do I need for these? Honda manual just has a part number and it's no longer carried.

*On the 1983-84 250r the fork size is 35mm, I use a fork seal driver, but they are expensive on that fork a piece of 1 1/2" PVC pipe will work, you do need to file down the OD a bit so it doesn't hit the slider make it 2 foot long so you can tap them in with a rubber mallet, the dust seals install by hand.*

Regarding the rear shock, I plan on taking it apart per the service manual. There currently isn't much travel on it and it feels fairly rigid.

*I don't follow the manual, it is very hard to bleed that way and it is old school, I use a modern style that requires specialized tools*

--Honda spanners are kind of expensive ($25 a pop)? Anything cheaper I can use to remove the adjusting nut (i.e. channel lock pliers...)?
--any tips or things to look for?

*The spanners I use are these, you will need two- http://www.partzilla.com/parts/detail/honda/HP-07702-0020001.html For a lot less money these will work with a few mods, one will need the flat ground down to be thinner and both will need to have the bit filed down a little to fit properly, they are very cheap and sometimes on sale for $5.99- http://www.cyclegear.com/STOCKTON-TOOL-COMPANY-Spanner-Wrench *

*I would not use a punch or chisel I have hand filed thousands of preload rings to the point where I probably need Carpal Tunnel surgery to make them look respectable.*

I assume a shop here in Phoenix can refill the nitrogen for me.

*I am sure you are correct, but most shops want the rebuild money so they will overcharge from the stories I have heard. We could always meet for a chat and a beer and/or lunch and I will charge it for free in the parking lot.* :lol:

Thanks, Milner

[86T3]

Your name'name's Milner? You going to meet him there in your yellow '32 coupe? Pick up any 14 year olds lately? (I really hope people get this)

[Jmoozy27]

ATCT sent me a Pm with a few questions, since it did not contain sensitive info I am going to answer them here so it may help others.

As always everything is- IMHO
*Is me*

I was directed towards you regarding some questions I had about shocks on my 84 250R. I don't think it's ever been maintained well, so I am pulling it all apart, repainting it, including doing the necessary service on the front and rear shocks.

I plan on buying new seals and fork boots for the front forks. Had 1 question for this:

*I only you OEM seals, nothing comes close and they are not that much more- http://www.partzilla.com/parts/search/Honda/ATV/1984/ATC250R+A/FRONT+FORK+83-84/parts.html If you must use aftermarket seals the Bikemaster's are the best because they are made by NOK, but they are made by NOK Italy which is not as good as NOK Japan*

*The best fork boots are the discontinued OEM boots, many aftermarket boots don't fit well or don't last long, oldschool83 is a member on here and sells fork boots for ATC's from what I have seen/heard they seem to fit and work well, contact him.*

--what size fork seal driver do I need for these? Honda manual just has a part number and it's no longer carried.

*On the 1983-84 250r the fork size is 35mm, I use a fork seal driver, but they are expensive on that fork a piece of 1 1/2" PVC pipe will work, you do need to file down the OD a bit so it doesn't hit the slider make it 2 foot long so you can tap them in with a rubber mallet, the dust seals install by hand.*

Regarding the rear shock, I plan on taking it apart per the service manual. There currently isn't much travel on it and it feels fairly rigid.

*I don't follow the manual, it is very hard to bleed that way and it is old school, I use a modern style that requires specialized tools*

--Honda spanners are kind of expensive ($25 a pop)? Anything cheaper I can use to remove the adjusting nut (i.e. channel lock pliers...)?
--any tips or things to look for?

*The spanners I use are these, you will need two- http://www.partzilla.com/parts/detail/honda/HP-07702-0020001.html For a lot less money these will work with a few mods, one will need the flat ground down to be thinner and both will need to have the bit filed down a little to fit properly, they are very cheap and sometimes on sale for $5.99- http://www.cyclegear.com/STOCKTON-TOOL-COMPANY-Spanner-Wrench *

*I would not use a punch or chisel I have hand filed thousands of preload rings to the point where I probably need Carpal Tunnel surgery to make them look respectable.*

I assume a shop here in Phoenix can refill the nitrogen for me.

*I am sure you are correct, but most shops want the rebuild money so they will overcharge from the stories I have heard. We could always meet for a chat and a beer and/or lunch and I will charge it for free in the parking lot.* :lol:

Thanks, Milner

Mil, you must have charged him a fortune for that info...:rolleyes::lol:

I'm sure racetech gives all sorts of help like this... too bad they aren't a member:banned:

Representing the 'Inner Circle of Suspension' thru '3ww' and that's it. :beer

Everything else doesn't deserve a post. Now I'll get back to my attempt at building trikes with a little help from my friends.:w00t:

[Bren_downe]

Your name'name's Milner? You going to meet him there in your yellow '32 coupe? Pick up any 14 year olds lately? (I really hope people get this)
I thought it was a "piss yellow" coupe?:lol:

[barnett468]

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Barnett.....WTF is it that everytime someone says call Milner (onformula) on this forum, you tell them to call Race tech instead?

I don't know if you knew but its kind of a dick move. Once was fine but you're starting to look like a Racetech employee.

Maybe it wouldn't bother me so much if RaceTech was on this forum.doing as much as Milner has for so many others.

Just saying..
Carry on

First of all, if everybody always had the same suggestions, there wouldn't be a need for all these people on the site.

If you read my quote below which is from the post you are commenting on, you can clearly see that I suggested to the op that he also call other rebuilders besides Race Tech . . No where does it say NOT to call a specific rebuilder . . If you think having a variety of builders to choose from whom have proven their quality is a bad thing, you are certainly free to have that opinion, however, it is not one that I share.


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For the rear shock, I would call Race Tech Suspension and possibly another rebuilder and use the one you feel most comfortable with.



Secondly, although it's actually none of anybody else's business as to why I or others occasionally suggest people outside the forum to others for goods and/or services, I will still be far more courteous to you than you were to me and will give you at least part of the answer, which in short, is pretty simple and not very mysterious.

I am familiar with Race Tech and know the quality of their work and know they have a quick turnaround time, therefore, I feel confident that whomever I suggest them to will be happy with the results.

That's basically the end of my answer so you can stop reading now if you want because below are merely some miscellaneous, semi related, comments.


I have also suggested Race Tech to many people BEFORE onformula or ANY other suspension rebuilder was mentioned to them, and unless it is against site rules, I will continue to suggest whomever I want, whenever I want, because the last time I checked, this is almost a free country and this is a forum which main purpose is to benefit people that have questions regarding their bikes as opposed to being intended to benefit members businesses.

Also, if you would have simply looked at the time between John Neary's post and mine instead of what seems to me to be jumping to conclusions, you will see that there is only 14 to 15 minutes between them, and imo, most rational/reasonable people would find it highly unlikely that I would have seen John's post and then quickly typed a post the length of mine and been able to look up both companies email addresses to include in my post in that very short amount of time, especially considering that I can probably only type around 15 words a minute providing they are 4 letters or less.

The fact in this particular instance is that I saw ATCT's post BEFORE John had posted . After seeing it, I eventually began typing but also did a few things inbetween, and once I was finished, I posted, however, even if I had seen John's post beforehand, I wouldn't have changed a word of mine . . Just because some people have jumped on somebody's wagon, it doesn't mean that other people should or want to.

I will also inform you that making abrasive posts to me on behalf of others is not doing them any favor because it may make it even LESS likely I would ever consider suggesting them to others.

For your additional information, I have in fact recommended several forum members to others here for goods and/or services and have done so several times, and I will continue to do so unless I am given a sufficient reason not to or they request that I no longer do so . . Some of them are listed below in no particular order, however there are also some whose names I unfortunately don't remember at the moment.

Flyingw

shortline10

jeswinehart

Jason Hall

blue27


The only constructive suggestion I will offer you or others at the moment regarding this trivial matter is, if you don't like the people or places I suggest to others, you can always tell one of the moderators . . All I did was make what I thought would be a helpful suggestion to the op and all you and a few others did was be unhappy about it. :wondering
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[onformula1]

Your name'name's Milner? You going to meet him there in your yellow '32 coupe? Pick up any 14 year olds lately? (I really hope people get this)

LOL!, thank you, very funny!

I love that movie, so did my father- I still can't believe it was a George Lucas movie, tons of stars came out of it too.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0069704/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0079576/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_44

[barnett468]

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Your name'name's Milner? You going to meet him there in your yellow '32 coupe? Pick up any 14 year olds lately? (I really hope people get this)

LOL, American Graffiti with Paul Le Mat driving around with Mackenzie Phillips [daughter of Michelle and Pappa John Phillips of the Mama's and the Papa's] in his "manma's piss yellow or puke green" Ford coupe with a small block Chevy engine in it . . I guess the power from the Ford was twisting the chassis so they had to put a Chevy in it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2OoxzYqgNY

[cr480r]

.Ford coupe with a small block Chevy engine in it . . I guess the power from the Ford was twisting the chassis so they had to put a Chevy in it.

Probably was tired of getting doors blown off.. Wanted to be the fastest in the valley.;)

[86T3]

I still contend to this day that Harrison Ford's 55 was faster

[barnett468]

Probably was tired of getting doors blown off.. Wanted to be the fastest in the valley.;)

ummm....well...ok, yeah, ya got me there....facts are facts.

Chevy built more variations of high hp engines than any other mfg, and the king of their small blocks was the 1964 fuel injected L84 327 with 375 hp with a solid lifter 30/30 Duntov cam.

But the FORDS didn't leak oil....as much.

[barnett468]

I still contend to this day that Harrison Ford's 55 was faster

Since this is still somewhat related to the 250r suspension topic,:lol: here's some trivia from the net on those cars.

The 55 Chevy in American Graffiti was one of three 55's used in a 1971 movie titled "Two Lane Highway" . . It had an L88 427 430 hp aluminum head crate engine with a Weiand tunnel ram dual quad intake in that movie . . The same engine was used in the car for American Graffiti.

http://unofficialamericangraffiti.weebly.com/the-1955-chevy.html


The 32 had a 1966 283 Impala engine with "fuelie" heads and 4 Rochester 2 barrel carbs . . Internal mods unknown.

http://kipsamericangraffiti.blogspot.com/2011/01/cars-32-coupe-fastest-thing-in-valley.html

[86T3]

Ever watch "Hollywood Knights"? Another great movie. Sorry to the OP for derailing your thread

[barnett468]

Ever watch "Hollywood Knights"?

You mean the movie with the one armed violinist?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD1Cl1L8WFQ

[sledcrazyinCT]

Barnett.....WTF is it that everytime someone says call Milner (onformula) on this forum, you tell them to call Race tech instead?

I don't know if you knew but its kind of a dick move. Once was fine but you're starting to look like a Racetech employee.

Maybe it wouldn't bother me so much if RaceTech was on this forum.doing as much as Milner has for so many others.

Just saying..
Carry on

Sorry barnett but it may appear to some forum members that you are sponsored by race tech somehow, or are compensated for promoting their business on this site.


I too felt compelled to make a similar comment as Ironchop here on the 'Honda quality welds' thread from a week or so ago that you are a little over the top with pushing RACETECH services.
http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthread.php/176848-Honda-quality-welds?highlight=honda+quality+welds

Considering the original poster of the thread was specifically talking about inferior welds on his stock swing arm and did not start a thread about a blown shock you sure pushed the race tech service when nobody was even asking for or discussing shock rebuilds. Promoting the same company three times in a thread with only 5 replies could lead one to believe you are affiliated with RACETECH or you are trying to discredit Milner in some way?


Not the end of the world, IMO you certainly help with providing other links and worthwhile advice- thanks for being a good resource for info on this site!

[ironchop]

I would do same to defend Barnett too.

If some new fella comes along and wants to know how The Worlds Fastest Production Three Wheeler was researched, developed, and then campaigned and Barnett was trying to explain it all but Glamy kept jumping in and telling the OP to call Mike Coe and ask him and posting his phone number I would have reacted the same way. Fact.

That's all. No flame war.

Sometimes I don't know when I'm being a dick and my friends call me out too and all is well. Its not a character attack.

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[barnett468]

Sorry barnett but it may appear to some forum members that you are sponsored by race tech somehow, or are compensated for promoting their business on this site.

Please tell me exactly what was not crystal clear in my quote below from my previous post so that I can try to explain it in a way that you and others will understand.



...it's actually none of anybody else's business as to why I or others occasionally suggest people outside the forum to others for goods and/or services,




I too felt compelled to make a similar comment as Ironchop here on the 'Honda quality welds' thread from a week or so ago that you are a little over the top with pushing RACETECH services. . Considering the original poster of the thread was specifically talking about inferior welds on his stock swing arm and did not start a thread about a blown shock you sure pushed the race tech service when nobody was even asking for or discussing shock rebuilds. Promoting the same company three times in a thread with only 5 replies could lead one to believe you are affiliated with RACETECH or you are trying to discredit Milner in some way?

Below is the one line that appears in the bottom of EVERY post that onformula1 makes IRREGARDLESS of whether the op asks about suspension or not, so in my useless opinion, it should be blatantly obvious to ANY REASONABLE AND RATIONAL PERSON, that onformula1 is in FACT promoting/pushing his business in EVERY SINGLE POST HE MAKES, therefore, for you or ANYONE to complain ANYTIME I mention the name RACE TECH or any other suspension builder etc, it seems incredibly hypocritical to me . . In addition, oneformula often directly solicits people for their business without them asking him to which I have NEVER done but don't really care about except when someone attempts to admonish me for suggesting a business other than the one they prefer. because again, it is a bit hypocritical


Email- onformula1@hotmail.com Rebuilt, Revalved, custom springs, lowering, forks & shocks, Custom Suspension, all brands, 2-3-4 wheeler's- PM or Email with questions.




.Not the end of the world,

I agree, and since that is your opinion, EXACTLY why did you even bother to bring it?




IMO you certainly help with providing other links and worthwhile advice- thanks for being a good resource for info on this site!

Thanks for the kind words.

[barnett468]

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I would do same to defend Barnett too. If some new fella comes along and wants to know how The Worlds Fastest Production Three Wheeler was researched, developed, and then campaigned and Barnett was trying to explain it all but Glamy kept jumping in and telling the OP to call Mike Coe and ask him and posting his phone number I would have reacted the same way. Fact.

Although I do truly appreciate your comments above and am grateful for them, and I prefer to make friends as opposed to the opposite, it is really unnecessary to defend me against anyone, however, if you ever have the desire to, I'm not going to ask you not to . . Actually, nothing anyone here says to me bothers me in the least because I simply consider the source, plus I don't personally know a single person on here, and I couldn't care less what total strangers think about me because I don't require the acceptance or approval of others to be happy . . The only people whose comments really matter to me are those of my family and friends.

If glamy or anyone else made a comment like the one you mentioned, it wouldn't bother me in the least, just like none of his other ones have nor have ones anyone else has ever made to me, and in fact, there is a very rare occasion where I actually find some of his and other peoples attempts at sarcasm quaint and slightly humorous . . That being said, I wouldn't want anyone's opinion to be censored, especially the way some are trying to censor mine here and get me to jump on the onformula band wagon . . Sorry [actually no I'm not], but I don't see myself ever doing that, besides, even if I did want to, it seems to be overloaded already.




Sometimes I don't know when I'm being a dick and my friends call me out too and all is well. Its not a character attack.

I have what may be misguided faith that if people take the time to be introspective and search their conscience and their soul with honesty and an open mind, they can answer this type of question themselves and will then be far better off for it as well.

:beer
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[ironchop]

No need for your appreciation.

Stop claiming you don't care what anyone thinks of you. You respond to nearly every post and every perceived attack against you within with long-winded broken down quotes. The fact that you are still responding now proves you're a liar. One who doesn't respond, truly doesn't care.

Start being honest with yourself because apparently you are the only person here who can't see right through you.

There's no "on formula bandwagon" .....Milner has fans because he doesn't throw an emulator cartridge into something and call it "fixed"


"IRREGARDLESS" is not a word....even if you type it in caps.


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[barnett468]

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Stop claiming you don't care what anyone thinks of you.

I fail to see what you think you will achieve by giving people you don't know orders, however, I don't care to know . . My experience is that, more often than not, people that try to control others by telling them what to do are incapable of controlling themselves.



You respond to nearly every post and every perceived attack against you within with long-winded broken down quotes.

That is an assumption, not a fact as you have posited it, and it is incorrect and a gross exaggeration, however, for your edification, one of the reasons I reply to some comments is because I don't want someone to attempt to make themselves look like a 'big man" to their friends at my expense, which imo, is what you are "trying" to do with this post whether you are conscious of this fact or not, but this still has absolutely nothing to do with whether I care about what anyone says about me or not.

Also, the fact that you are again responding to my posts and won't simply drop the subject speaks volumes to me . . There is an old saying that goes, "Look whose calling the kettle black." that I think also applies in this case.



within with

My apologies, I don't understand what you mean here because I have never seen these two words used together in a grammatically correct.




The fact that you are still responding now proves you're a liar.
This is another assumption posited as a fact which is also incorrect . . It is also an unwarranted attack and it is unfortunate that you seem to be incapable of expressing yourself in a constructive manner regarding my posts.



One who doesn't respond, truly doesn't care.

This is another assumption posited as a fact which is also incorrect and illogical . . The presence or absence of ones response to personal attacks is not necessarily an indicator of how they feel about about these attacks . . It is often the case where people are simply so hurt or emotionally traumatized by a personal attack that they are simply incapable of defending themselves against them or may merely not want to deal with the additional stress of responding etc . . This is something people I personally know are aware of even if they haven't taken psychology classes, and I am actually surprised that you don't.



"IRREGARDLESS" is not a word....even if you type it in caps.

Irregardless of your incorrect belief, "irregardless" is in fact a word, and imo, it's never too late to learn new things, and a dictionary is an invaluable tool to have and to read. :)

From Websters Dictionary

irregardless

adverb

DEFINITION

Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose.

:beer
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[onformula1]

I wonder if ATCT figured out the forks and shock?, I hope he didn't decide to sell it and walk away. "lol"

[barnett468]

POST CORRECTION

"...in a grammatically correct."

Should read:

"...in a grammatically correct sentence,"

[barnett468]

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If he has a sense of humor, he probably laughs so hard every time he sees his thread he's simply unable to make a post . . He's just lucky he didn't ask about engine oil. http://www.mustang.org.au/forum/Smileys/smilies/hysterical.gif

[ATCT]

I wonder if ATCT figured out the forks and shock?, I hope he didn't decide to sell it and walk away. "lol"

This thread has pushed me to sell all my worldly possessions and lead a monastic life. ;)

[ATCT]

Just kidding. I was out of town all weekend so I missed the fireworks firsthand. Still have the R. Will resume it's tear down this week.

Thanks all for the comments and the movie trivia. :D

[86T3]

Milner, what us your email address or some way to contact you? A guy on Facebook asked me who to send his shock to, it's for a 2nd gen tecate.

[barnett468]

Milner, what us your email address or some way to contact you? A guy on Facebook asked me who to send his shock to, it's for a 2nd gen tecate.

It's clearly displayed at the bottom of every post he makes at the beginning of his shock rebuilding advertisement, so you will find it in post 34.

[86T3]

Only my wife could understand how I missed that, thanks

[El Camexican]

Milner, what us your email address or some way to contact you? A guy on Facebook asked me who to send his shock to, it's for a 2nd gen tecate.

Are you sure the guy wasn't looking for a carpenter?;)
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[onformula1]

Are you sure the guy wasn't looking for a carpenter?;)
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Come on, he said 2nd gen Tecate, that's a Cagiva.

[barnett468]

Only my wife could understand how I missed that, thanks

Oh believe me, I know the feeling...

[86T3]

Are you sure the guy wasn't looking for a carpenter?;)
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Lol! I am going to try to put the Ohlins shock off the parts wmx500 on my T5. The one one the trike seems to work really good, I'm sure it would be an upgrade.

[El Camexican]

Lol! I am going to try to put the Ohlins shock off the parts wmx500 on my T5. The one one the trike seems to work really good, I'm sure it would be an upgrade.

Seeing it run in the video was awesome, hope to see it in person one day.

[86T3]

As long as someone doesn't offer me a ridiculous ammount of money for it I'll have it at trikefest this year.