200S Confusions

[Flyingw]

Guys, I am very confused right now. I have two 84 200S trikes I'm working on. One has padded foot pegs, the other has rat trap foot pegs. The one with padded foot pegs has a trailing axle with the brake panel on the right. The one with the rat trap foot pegs has a leading axle with the brake panel on the right. One has a metal seat pan, the other a nylon seat pan. Does anybody know if there were variations in the 84 200S or am I looking at one mix and matched parts. The one with the rat trap foot pegs, metal seat pan, and leading axle does have an 80 185 motor but it was owned by a local high school used to drag the ball fields so I'm guessing the auto shop kids got ahold of it when the 200 motor went bad. The other one is basically original but it does have a speedometer on it. I have noticed in recent months both here and on Facebook a surge in activity with the 185/200 series hard tail trikes. That's a good thing. The 185/200 series hard tails are a great screw around machine and allot of fun to play on.

[DohcBikes]

Did you read the VIN's?

Sounds like one of them possibly has a Big Red front end on it.

Only one variation for 200s each year. The 84 should have the spring loaded pegs.

Sounds like you either have a frankentrike on your hands, or it just isnt a 200s.

Ive also recently found a soft spot for hard tails. It seems to be the one people aren't afraid to ride and damage. My current trike project is a mix and match of 3 different models. The hardtails have a lot of interchangeability. Can't wait to see what people think this one is!

[Chopsaw]

the 84 I had , was trailing axle , plastic seat pan and metal spring loaded foot pegs .

[350xtrike.rider]

the 84 I had , was trailing axle , plastic seat pan and metal spring loaded foot pegs .


Same ^^ sounds like its scabbed together.
But hey if it gets ya where ya want to go...
But all original is always nice too.

[Flyingw]

From looking at pics on the internet, The 200ES had a leading axle but the rest had trailing. The one with the padded foot pegs, the foot pegs are rigid, not spring loaded. It also still has the production sticker on it confirming the year as the VIN with an E. The other one is also an E frame. If I was to take the one with the leading axle and flip everything over, that would put the front brake arm on the back side which is wrong so these forks are supposed to be leading. No telling what's been done with both of these and it really doesn't matter as long as it works.

[Chopsaw]

I have had them were someone had clocked the lower tubes on the wrong side of the axle .

These are oil filled right ? I mean you would know if it was 84 or older BigRed .

[Scootertrash]

My 84 200S looks like this one:

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Trailing axle, right hand brake housing, plastic seat pan, metal spring loaded pegs, glove(?) box behind seat, in front of grab bar, in the middle of the fenders.

I'm the third owner and I know for certain that neither of the other two guys modified this machine.

[Gearheadtom]

'83 ATC200, and '84-'85 200m had leading axle as well as the 200 big reds.

[DohcBikes]

From looking at pics on the internet, The 200ES had a leading axle but the rest had trailing. The one with the padded foot pegs, the foot pegs are rigid, not spring loaded. It also still has the production sticker on it confirming the year as the VIN with an E. The other one is also an E frame. If I was to take the one with the leading axle and flip everything over, that would put the front brake arm on the back side which is wrong so these forks are supposed to be leading. No telling what's been done with both of these and it really doesn't matter as long as it works.The fact that they are both 84's doesn't necessarily mean they are both 200s'. It could be an M with an S motor or any combination of hardtail parts. If it were me, the first thing i would do is decode the VINS.

The pegs are almost surely from an atc200 or atc185.

P.S. cmon jim post some pics!

[Flyingw]

Ok, you wanted pics so here are a few. Not much to see. This is confirmed an 84 200S chassis. The motor is an 80 185. As you can see, this is the one with the leading axle. Like I said, it was owned by a local high school used to drag the ball fields. I was stored in a shed next to a creek. Apparently the creek overflowed the banks and flooded the shed submerging the trike. My neighbor was driving by the school and saw them loading it in to the trash dumpster so he stopped and got it. I got about a half gallon of water out of the engine. I flushed the engine and got it to run so my neighbor decided to put some money in to it. For the most part, the chassis is done. I'm still waiting on a buddy to send me a few parts like the headlight and brackets, dash pad, rear hubs, and a few other small parts I'm short. All the fasteners and steel parts like the rear axle have been to the plater for a fresh coat of Zinc. It had a seat with a rotten steel pan on it but I have a replacement seat standing by with a fresh cover. I have replaced all the soft parts i.e. cables, bearings, seals, brake pads etc. Everything is powder coated so this should be around for another 30 years.

[Flyingw]

This is the other 84. I haven't done anything to it. I'll get to this one later. Note the padded footpegs. It does have a functional speedometer. It did have a Goki on it but I don't think it was for this engine so it came off. A buddy did send me the correct Goki for it so when I do get around to doing this one up, it will have estart and a speedo.

[Scootertrash]

Second set of pics looks exactly like my 84 200S, except for that little button on the bar cover.

Where did you get your fork boots in the first set of pics?

[Flyingw]

They fit beautifully. http://www.ebay.com/itm/161699076789?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

[Scootertrash]

Thank You very much kind sir! ;)

[Flyingw]

Alright guys, this 200S is really starting to piss me off. I went to put the 200S front fender on and the mounting pads are farther apart than the 200S fender so obviously this entire front end is NOT 200S so now I don't have a front fender for it. Given the wide spread I can assume its something like a 200E or 200ES front end as far as the upper fork clamps go. The bolt to bolt spread is right at 10". The spread on the 200S fender is right at 8 5/8". Can somebody tell me what front fender to look for? Now I know why somebody had bolts welded to the inside of the fender mounting pads.

[Flyingw]

Oh and the mounting pads are 4 bolt

[Scootertrash]

I have an 84 200ES in my garage I'm working on for someone. I'll measure it up when I get home and let you know what I find out.

[ATCT]

Here's a Big Red fender you might want to check out. http://www.ebay.com/itm/82-84-Honda-Big-Red-Front-Fender-S12-/191781485798?hash=item2ca7113ce6:g:nHAAAOSwwPhWlav K&vxp=mtr

[atctim]

Sounds to me like the front end is an ATC200 (the non-S model). Everything I have seen in this thread points to it being said model. Look it up.

[Scootertrash]

What exactly does the "S" designate?

[Flyingw]

As far as I know, the S doesn't mean anything other than a model marketing thing. This thing is obviously hobbled together. The frame is a 200S frame but right now my focus is identifying the front end. The front fender I was trying to put on it was off the other confirmed 84 200S and it doesn't fit. The link ATCT posted shows a fender with side tab mounts so that's not it. This front end has top mount pads that are 10" apart. The 200S fender is at 8 5/8". You can see in the pic how the fender mounts are inside of the mounting pads. When I got this thing, there were 6mm bolts that were welded to the inside of the mounting pads so the 200S fender would bolt up. I cut those off and pressed on not realizing the fender was right but the forks were wrong.

[Chopsaw]

Jim I'm geussing its 200m . Looks like its an oil filled front end , so its not e or es . The " S " was a sporty version of the regular 200 / 185 which was a larger machine with bigger tires and a non shock front end .
The parts that bolt on a 200m front end , as far as I know only fit a 200m , like the fender , rack and headlight guard .

[Chopsaw]

http://www.hondaparts-direct.com/OEMpartfinder.htm?aribrand=HOM&arian=all-terrain%20vehicle%20%28ATV%29#/Honda/ATC200MA_(84)_ALL-TERRAIN_VEHICLE_(ATV),_JPN,_VIN%23_JH3TB054-EC300005/FRONT_FENDER_+_STEERING_STEM/ATC200M-84-JPN-A/2Y14VM3EAF14VM3E04B

Looks like 200m . Note the two eye lets at the top of the triples .

Link takes a bit to load .

[Gearheadtom]

What size tires are on that machine with the wider spread front end, and leading axle? That wider front end is off an '83 ATC200 (no letter), or an '84-'85 ATC200M, and should be running a 25x12x9, while the narrower one should have a 22x11x8.
The 200 big reds had a little different forks, plus the different tabs for the headlight guard and front rack.

[Flyingw]

If somebody has a 200M, could you give me a rough measurement of the fender mounts across the front.

[Flyingw]

I must be getting old or something. The front wheel that was on it is a 25x12-9. The backs are 22X11-8. I already bought tires so now not only do I have to find a front fender, I now have to buy a 22" tire that fits a 9" rim. This thing cant leave my garage fast enough.

[Flyingw]

I have pretty much concluded that this front end is a 200M given the fender mounts and front wheel. Now I don't know what to do. I could cannibalize the front end off the other 200S sitting here but then I would be stuck with the 200M front end facing the same problem later. I've already blown the budget on this thing so spending another couple/few hundred bucks on a front end isn't an option. This thing really is a frankentrike...

[Scootertrash]

I may be in need of a front end for the 84 200es I'm working on. The original front end is beyond repair. I need to talk to the owner and see how he wants to proceed. I've read here that the 200m front is a direct swap for the 84 200es.

I will try to pm you tonight, I'm super busy right now, but I will pm you by the weekend. Maybe we can figure something out that will work for both of us.

[Chopsaw]

200m front end is a upgrade swap for the es . Be aware that you need it all . The 200 es parts will not bolt up to it .

[Scootertrash]

FlyingW, I sent you a PM. ;)

[Gearheadtom]

I kinda ran into a similar issue this summer on my '82 185s. Someone put an '83 ATC200/'84-'85 ATC200M (both the same) front end on it, but they used the 185 hub, with a spacer on the axle, making the tire off center. Looking back now the easiest thing to do would have just been find a 22x11x9 tire, and used a proper fitting rim and hub that I already had.

[Flyingw]

That thought has crossed my mind but I've already bought tires for 200S and I still don't have a front fender for 200M.