Kawi 160 help!

[Tri-pod]

So I got good deal on this KLT160 and have since found out that its rare and hard to find parts for... I only paid 75$ so I am ok with spending a few bucks to get it going. I am wondering what site you guys suggest for a carb rebuild kit ? The carb is a VM22SS Its gunked up badly and the seals are all dryed out. I also need an air box and I noticed it doesn't have a choke but it has a small round pull knob on the carb that opens and closes a small port, is that the choke ? I only have a yamaha 125 and Im not to familiar with the different designs, the yama has a choke cable like a mower, anyway Thanks!

[ebaccm26]

Unfortunately you are out of luck on a carb rebuild kit, going to have to work with what you have or find another used carb. Having trouble remembering how the choke looks on the carb but stock it is run to a cable.

[Tri-pod]

Bummer ok thanks man

[ps2fixer]

Yea, if I remember right the klt160 was a single year production. I wonder if a carb from another machine could be matched up to it though.

If you happen to need a wire harness, I hand reproduce them for this model $45 + $3 shipping. My ebay listing has the best photos http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-1985-Kawasaki-KLT160-A1-Wire-Harness-/201520969817?ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT

Sadly I don't have any other parts for that machine :(.

[Trike_crazy]

Try a looking at a carb from a klt or klf 185. From a quick search of partzilla.com the klt160 carburetor shares a lot of parts with the klt/klf 185/200/and some with the 220 bayou(gaskets, jets, float). I'm not 100% but its worth a shot. Or you could try to order each individual part from kawasaki and hope that it they are discontinued.

There are new (chinese copy) klf 185 carburetors on ebay for $76. The only thing you might have to do is convert it from a remote operated choke to a lever type on the carb.

[Tri-pod]

There are new (chinese copy) klf 185 carburetors on ebay for $76. The only thing you might have to do is convert it from a remote operated choke to a lever type on the carb.

Do you think the Jets would be the same? Or maybe I could swap in my jets I guess if I had to. I'm also trying to figure out where the choke used to be on this,it has a little pull knob but it's not like any choke I've seen.

[shovelryder]

A pic would help for sure.

[Tri-pod]

Ok thanks Ps2 my wires seem like they are good, yeah this wheeler was only made for one year, turning into a lot harder of a project the. I thought but I might get lucky.

I took the carb all apart and soaked the parts over night, I'm going to try to get up all put back together today and see what happens but I'm still a little stumped on the choke thing, I also don't have a link air box or filter for it.

[Tri-pod]

A pic would help for sure.

I'll get a few pics here in a bit

[Trike_crazy]

The main and pilot jets should be similar if not the same. At least close enough to get you running. The main ( on your 160 carb) should be #105 to #115 and the pilot should be #20 or #22.5.

Partzilla.com shows those jet numbers being shared with the klt/klf 185

[Tri-pod]

Ok that gives me some hope, if I get totally stumped on the carb I have I will just order one from them, thanks for the help Trike

[Tri-pod]

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[Trike_crazy]

Well thats not the original carburetor. If it were me I would buy a new carb. You might be able to get that one working on that klt but I have always found it easier to start from a baseline with stock parts.

[Tri-pod]

Well thats not the original carburetor. If it were me I would buy a new carb. You might be able to get that one working on that klt but I have always found it easier to start from a baseline with stock parts.

Ah ha! Thanks man I've been wondering why I can't find and pictures that match the carb I have

[rocketkart]

that looks almost like a 220 bayou carb.

[350for350]

Although it may not be the right carb, I also believe that you're right and that knob is the choke. It's technically an "enrichener" not a "choke. It does a similar job as an actual choke, but while a choke restricts the air flow in the carb, an enrichener lets more fuel into the carb. Both result in a rich fuel mixture. Most people don't realize that there's a difference. No matter what kind you have, it's still called a choke by the factory.

[Tri-pod]

Although it may not be the right carb, I also believe that you're right and that knob is the choke. It's technically an "enrichener" not a "choke. It does a similar job as an actual choke, but while a choke restricts the air flow in the carb, an enrichener lets more fuel into the carb. Both result in a rich fuel mixture. Most people don't realize that there's a difference. No matter what kind you have, it's still called a choke by the factory.

Interesting, that makes sense, I am going to try to get this carb to work on it before I spend money on a new one.

Why can't I just get the right size jets and put them in any 22mm carb that will fit? Just wondering, it seems like it would work, all it needs to run is air mixed with gas. I know it's a bit more complicated then that but I just wonder what is so hard about just swapping out any old carb that fits?

[NETRA3]

The trike should still run with that carb cleaned up, even though it's probably the wrong one....Clean all jets, and orifices, including the needle jet, The needle jet is commonly overlooked and it's location is where the jet needle seats. It's a "pina" to remove so be careful as its made of brass. This part of the carb has tiny holes in it as well. Napa sells some carb cleaner in a bucket with a little basket that works great, but it may pricey....Another alternative would be "pine sol"....alot cheaper, good results

[Tri-pod]

The trike should still run with that carb cleaned up, even though it's probably the wrong one....Clean all jets, and orifices, including the jet needle, The jet needle is commonly overlooked and it's location is where the needle jet seats. It's a "pina" to remove so be careful as its made of brass. This part of the carb has tiny holes in it as well. Napa sells some carb cleaner in a bucket with a little basket that works great, but it may pricey....Another alternative would be "pine sol"....alot cheaper, good results

The Jet needle is the long needle at the end of the spring that attaches to the throttle right? Ok I sort of half ass took it apart to clean it but it was bad, it has some nasty black looking stuff in the bottom that was hardened, I had to scrape it out the run some cleaner round in the bowl. I'll go get some parts cleaner and take everything apart, I just have to remember where everything goes lol

I love how active this forum is, thanks for all the help.

[NETRA3]

That part your referring to is the ''jet needle''.....The one at the end of the spring/throttle slide, {I'm starting to confuse myself why they name them this way}......When you remove it from the carb body, look down inside, in the center, where the needle seats, it's brass...and is ''commonly'' called a ''needle jet''....Look at some exploded views of Mikuni carburetors and you'll see that it can be removed and cleaned. Sometimes if your performing a regular service, it could stay in place, but in your case, I would carefully remove an clean everything since your in there anyway, BTW, Don't use any cleaning product that will degrade rubber seals...sorry if there's any confusion, you'll be fine, Good luck.

[Tri-pod]

I think someone used some kind of nasty cleaner or something because where the rubber seat is supposed to be at the end of the flot needle there was just black chunks and it's gone.There was also some black gunk in the bowl and I'm wondering if there are other rubber parts that have melted out... So now I need to figure out what carb I do have and how to order the rubber for it, or maybe it's something I can get off another similar carb? That part of the carb seems pretty much the same on a lot of you tube videos I see on bike/atvs

[Tri-pod]

So... I cleaned the carb up real good put it back on, its not leaking gas now so thats good. I have spark, yet still it wont fire, even with starting fluid. I am missing the air box so that might be part of it but from my experience if something has spark and wont at least sputter a little with starting fluid then there's something wrong inside the motor... any ideas on what to try next ? Im stumped other then trying to pull it with my YT in first gear and trying to get it to fire up

[ps2fixer]

If you were to pull start (or tug start w\e term you wana use), try 2nd or 3rd gear. It is reverse logic when spinning the engine over by the tires, higher the gear, the slower the engine spins, which is easier to do. First gear generally is too high geared for pull starting that way with most machines. My old 350 warrior couldn't be pull started unless in 3rd gear, it would just lock the tires up when I let the clutch out.

If pull starting it does work, that would be a sign of a weak coil or incorrectly adjusted one for either the pulse generator, or the alternator (the side that goes to the cdi box, not the lighting coil). However you said you have spark, so pulling the engine over super fast probably isn't going to do much of anything different.

[Tri-pod]

well I almost got it going with pull starting it, everything seems to be working but the carb, its still pouring gas when i try to start. So Im buying a carb off someone here on the forum, they have the correct stock carb so I hope that will fix it !!!

[Tri-pod]

SO I got the carb and it has a broken float valve (needle valve), it will run but its impossible to control the rpms, I have looked all over for a new float assembly with no luck. My next option is to ether try and find yet another used VM22ss carb or I found one with the same jetting as the original but it has the fanged end on it not the round one, not sure if I can just take the adapter off the motor and bolt the carb right on or not, but that's where I am at with it.
On the plus side I did get to run through all the gears and test out reverse, everything worked great so once I get this carb situation figured out I think its going to be a nice little trike.
This is the carb
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Genuine-Mikuni-22mm-Round-Slide-Bolt-On-Flange-Carburetor-VM22-133-/161240922802?hash=item258ab53ab2:g:EsUAAOSwuAVWu18 S&vxp=mtr
I just found this
http://www.amazon.com/Mikuni-Round-Series-Carburetor-VM22-133/dp/B003CK3IJK
Anyone see any reason this wound not work ? Its the same jetting even though its a different carb

[KLT185]

I have a carb if your still looking


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