coolest dune triker chick..klonopin / benzodiazapine withdrawal

[tri again]

holy dear god.
I had NO idea klonopin is deadly and virtually impossible to get off of or taper down
May take YEARS even after a couple weeks or months of a situational anxiety...
dog died, whatever.

Messes with the neuro receptors and no real way to taper off.

For instance, if you binge on alcohol for a few days of whisky shots, well, DUH,
you're gonna feel bad. Have a bloody mary the first day, 1/2 the next and so on.

3 or 4 days later, you'll be ok, or go to hospital detox with a valium IV and same result.
A few days later and you'll be ok.
Same with heroine.

Benzodiazapones? valium, klonopin, xanax and that whole family of sedative hypnotics
is pure evil and no way to get off them. They ruin the neuro receptors in the brain and spinal cord
and can take years to recover, if ever at all.

Sorry to be so blunt, but be careful. Just say NO!

Funny too as I worked for rock medicine for years and have seen almost every combination
of pharmaceuticles possible.

I had NO idea this stuff was so horrible.
AND it's not like you get high and want more.
Taper down and a few days later it's like a time delay explosion of seizures and
heart attack symptoms and stuff you can't even imagine the FDA would allow.

again, I apologize, but you know me, always causing trouble.
...for instance...

TYlenol is the #1 cause of liver failure in the usa and you can buy quart jugs of that rat poison
at costco or walmart.

[DohcBikes]

Prescription drugs are a huge hurdle we need to overcome as a society. I can sense there is an issue here...

Throw them away. Quit cold turkey in one day.

The people telling you to 'taper off' are the same ones that told you that you needed them. They want you to stay addicted.

Open your eyes. Flush the pills, idiot. You get one chance to live.

or

Be a good robot.

Doctors are mostly evil and actually couldn't care less about your health. When you are healthy, you don't need them.

They have everyone believing anxiety is something only some experience. Its called LIFE.

Being comfortable never gained anyone anything.

Throw away the baby blanket and the binky(that's where it starts....)

Especially the 'soldiers'. Tell me how bad azz you are, then take a pill because you're feeling scared or sad. Pfft.

[keister]

Doctors are mostly evil ..........

I didn't spend 6 years in evil medical school to be called "mister," thank you very much.

227783

[Scootertrash]

Learn to swim

[tri again]

what's that latest gun statistic compared to doctors?

oh, I remember what happened when doctors went on strike in LA county a few years / decades ago.

The mortality rate Dropped. It was so embarassing they will never do it again..
Ref: Koren publications - admissible in court.


dohcbikes?? didn't you go through (&(&^&^*(^)* with health problems?

...and OVERcame them to be one sharp diagnostician and mechanical rockstar?

Yeah, I didn't mean to ruffle any feathers but WHY is tylenol avail in quart jars?
and known to be the #1 cause of liver failure in the USA?

i mean, just for the sake of argument.

FDA limp *&^% pointless, useless, self serving....

zoloft is another drug that can take YEARS to 'taper' off of if there is such a concept with that particular biochemistry.


I'd go jump off a bridge but the water is so high that the bridges are only a couple feet off the deck.

Come on guys, laugh a little.
If this was a real life, we would've been given instructions.

[DohcBikes]

No feathers ruffled here. I see your intention.





dohcbikes?? didn't you go through (&(&^&^*(^)* with health problems?

...and OVERcame them to be one sharp diagnostician and mechanical rockstar?
Health problems, no. Medical issues, yes.

My birth defects, of which there are 22, were caused by addiction. Some were addressed with plastic surgery, others with other types of surgery such as bone grafts. Thse procedures were done largely for cosmetic reasons, not medical reasons. The vast majority of my issues have been overcome by myself, living life without fear.

I refused medicine and pain pills as soon as I was old enough to know what they were. I'll be damned if I was going to be reliant on the thing that put me through that experience.

Now as an adult, I am one of the very few in my family that is not HEAVILY addicted to drugs, prescription or otherwise. YES I overcame the issues, with hard work, determination, steadfastness in the face of temptation. I worked and worked until my hand(s) became as capable as the next determined mechanic. Pills, medicine, doctors, had little to do with my success as an individual.

You wont tell me anything about prescription addiction. My aunt is nearly a slobbering mess everyday by 9 a.m. because of it. She has multiple doctors prescribing anything she can get her hands on. It is disgusting. My mother is borderline schizophrenic from taking pills for so long. I have absolutely no contact with her due to the insane amount of manipulation and the perceived justification of that manipulation being credited to xanax.

ALL prescription pill abusers have excuses.

There is not a pill in existence that cures any mental disorder. They ALL make them worse over time.

The general population is scared of life, scared of truth, and scared of being the slightest bit uncomfortable.

Who do you think pays for your addiction? Not you, you're fine. The pills said so. You are hurting everyone you know.



zoloft is another drug that can take YEARS to 'taper' off of if there is such a concept with that particular biochemistry.Bullshit. Excuses, made by doctors and patients. Pills are for weak people.



I'd go jump off a bridge but the water is so high that the bridges are only a couple feet off the deck.This is juvenile and selfish. Coming here with this b.s. is ridiculous.

Go fishing. Quit your whining. Somebody has it worse than you do. Dont care? Then neither do I. I don't have time for people that can't nut up be a man. If you wanna kill yourself, theres nobody that can stop you.


Come on guys, laugh a little.
This isnt funny.

Some would say get help. I'm not that guy. I say go fishing. Ride a trike. Stop taking pills. Stay the fack away from the doctors that are ENABLING your pity party. Stop bringing others into your selfish cycle.


I broke my neck, dislocated my hip and shoulder in a 60+ mph atv crash last year. It hurts, oh darn. Sack up and move on.

Tell me again what it is that you went through to cause such an addiction, or was is just fear and weakness? Anxiety?

No sympathy here.






P.S. to anyone that doesnt like my response... Too bad. Don't post stuff like this if you dont want the truth. Any other answer, any sympathy towards this behavoir is enabling, and getting people closer to the edge. Do not coddle a grown person.

[dave ytz250s]

Throw them away. Quit cold turkey in one day.

The people telling you to 'taper off' are the same ones that told you that you needed them. They want you to stay addicted.

Open your eyes. Flush the pills, idiot. You get one chance to live.

Some pills you need to taper off. Not for addiction but the immune system can be completely down. For example, someone taking high dose of prednisone (corticosteroids) for a long period of time can die from quitting cold turkey.

[DohcBikes]

Someone taking high doses of prednisone for a long period of time can die from taking high doses of prednisone for a long period of time.

[DohcBikes]

If you are having withdrawls, you're still alive. Possibly more alive than you have been in years.

[DohcBikes]

Furthermore, this thread is less about withdrawl, and more about attention. If you can't read between the lines that's not my problem. I personally doubt anyone is actually quitting anything, because this is the road to NOT quitting.

I know, I've lived through all of this nonsense my entire life. It's exhausting.

[dave ytz250s]

Someone taking high doses of prednisone for a long period of time can die from taking high doses of prednisone for a long period of time.

Yes, of course, not saying it's safe, it's just an exaple of something not to quit cold turkey.

[DohcBikes]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=856IA8Bp8es

[Scootertrash]

Does your disdain for drugs also apply to "safe" drugs? You know, like pot?

[Mosh]

Watched a guy throw away a successful 35 year old half mil a year business due to tramadol abuse.

He wasnt getting it from doctors. He ordered them online from southern california, texas , Pakistan etc...

The USPS delivered 100 count bottles 2 times a week. The USPS is the biggest drug trafficking organization in the U.S.

[Scootertrash]

I have a disdain for people that can`t handle their sh!t ...no matter what it is !!

The only thing missing from dohc's rant is the personal responsibility part of using prescription drugs according to information provided with the prescription and following the doctors orders. But let's just blame those evil doctors instead of holding the individual responsible, thereby promoting the "It's always someone else's fault" mentality so prevalent in today's society.

YMMV

ETA: The same holds true for non-prescription drugs.

[DohcBikes]

Take pills and die then I really couldn't care less

[redsox]

Watched a guy throw away a successful 35 year old half mil a year business due to tramadol abuse.

He wasnt getting it from doctors. He ordered them online from southern california, texas , Pakistan etc...

The USPS delivered 100 count bottles 2 times a week. The USPS is the biggest drug trafficking organization in the U.S.

BINGO!! Someone is paying attention.

[Mosh]

OOOhhhh bingo ! I love when Mosh gets on the self righteous trip ......down with the postal service ! I give up !...... this is no- mans land no intelligent conversation here ! Like scooter said .......it`s always somebody else `s fault ! You just can`t be responsible for anything can you ? And you always got a trophy for participation didn`t you ? He threw away a million dollars ......woopi faack .......a million is chump change ......are you working for less then a $100 an hour ? Why should i help you ? Maybe some DMT is in order !......it could`nt hurt !
Oh Man go trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro yourself. You are demented. How in the hell is me saying the postal service delivering illegal narcotics "self righteous"?
That is like you saying " I got off my trike to take a piss and someone rode away with it" should be your fault for a thief stealing it while you back was turned.

You are a class act moron. I don't like you, never have never will. You add nothing but piss and trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro to this forum. Pissing all over people, even right back to when you pissed all over the raffle trike that was offered here..Really go trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro yourself and wear a condom. The idea of you reproducing with your ass is something I cant bare to handle.

[Mosh]

I am probably the most responsible person you ever would know. And that fries you.
Talking to you is harder than training a mutt to trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro outside.
People always should be responsible for themselves. But if you have ever had interactions with dependent people then you would know that more than half the battle getting them to overcome the addiction, is closing off the outlets where they can feed the addiction. Some people need mental help...Much like you. Help that only a responsible person can make happen..

Kick u out? Wth does that mean? I have no power to do anything to deter you from posting here. Once again who is delusional.

Your method of thinking is that a person that has their judgement clouded from drug addiction that alters their decision making capabilities, makes them responsible for their own actions so eff em... let em overdose to death because they can easily obtain the fix..

Its equivelent to you leaving a loaded gun in a 3 year olds toy box then blaming the 3 year old because he didnt know any better to not pick up the gun and pull the trigger resulting in a horrific accident.

The fact of the matter is the world needs rules and responsible people to enforce those rules. No matter how much you dont like it...Unless you want to live like monkeys in the trees flinging your crap at each other.

[Scootertrash]

Nothing self righteous in Mosh's post, not sure where that comes from.

Just another story of a junky finding a way to get their drug of choice. Not that I would call the USPS "drug traffickers". They can't possibly check every package for contraband. Neither can UPS or FEDEX. How do you think the newest synthetic drugs get here from China?

An addict NEEDS TO WANT TO QUIT before any type of help will work, and the possibility of relapse is ALWAYS present. Kicking any bad habit is a lot of work, just look at cigarettes. How many people in the quitting smoking thread that was up a year or three ago are still not smoking?

Cigarettes will kill you just as dead as any other drug, except instead of an OD you just slowly suffocate to death. But hey, yer gonna die of sumthin anyways, right?

[Bren_downe]

" I like that my postman is a drug dealer and doesn't even know it" - the late great Mitch Hedberg

[Scootertrash]

I thought THC was suppose to mellow people out? You get ahold of some bad Labrador or what?

I didn't say a thing about shutting them down now did I? All I stated was a fact: none of them have the resources to search every package. Yup, it's really that simple.

IIRC tho, the Government was more than capable of stopping people from buying prescription drugs across the border in Canada much cheaper than here, weren't they?

Never said you didn't know anything about drugs either. Where do you come up with that?

[ironchop]

... How many people in the quitting smoking thread that was up a year or three ago are still not smoking?


Me myself and I

Just stopped in to brag about it

Carry on gentleman

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[Scootertrash]

Me myself and I

Just stopped in to brag about it

Carry on gentleman

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OK, well that makes three. Anyone else? :lol::beer

Congrats 'chop. My wife and I were trying to figure out when I quit, it's something like 10 or 12 years ago. I still love the smell of a freshly burning ciggy.

[tripledog]

I quit cigarettes almost 30 years ago. Although I sometimes dream that I am smoking a cig, I honestly don't even crave them at all.

[DohcBikes]

I used to be addicted to giving a flying fvck, gave that shlt up, cold turkey. Not a chance of relapse.

[Mosh]

I never said anything about shutting the usps down, I never said I hated you.
I said I dont like you and the usps traffics drugs. They do.

What I find wrong with it is that them along with fed ex, ups, etc transports 100s of thousands of illegal pharmaceuticals daily. Why is it okay that big corporations do it with no repercussions, but if you get pulled over with a joint in your ashtray you get yours?

I would say I don't know whats wrong with you, but I think I do. You talk in circles, make statements that are not true, and twist a persons opinion into some bashing session directed at yourself, when your name was never mentioned. You have a comprehension problem, perhaps even a form of a.d.d., compounded with insecurity issues it seems.
You spew the "so cal" persona that so many conservative people absolutely can't tolerate. It really is beyond old..The whole west is the best and we set the standards that the rest of the country follows is not only imature it is straight up annoying as well. Your people try to act all conservative but are the most liberal mixed up confused people in the country. Tell me...Did your super cool so cal culture come up with the term "poser"?

You need to get out and get some sun.. So are you gonna skip the invasion ....again....That is in your backyard?...You know...The biggest trike gathering on the west coast this year....Maybe you should go just to spite me...have a good time cuz you want to spite me...Then blame me when you get back from having a good time and call me self righteous for you having a good time...I hope you can comprhend what I just wrote.

[DohcBikes]

You guys are so in love. There's probably a pill for that.

[Scootertrash]

I used to be addicted to giving a flying fvck, gave that shlt up, cold turkey. Not a chance of relapse.

Perfect example of denial. If you didn't give a flying fvck, you wouldn't be posting in this thread.

Millions of people use prescription drugs responsibly.

I rarely even take an aspirin, and I've never had a doctor force a prescription on me when I told them "No thanks, I'll be fine."

[DohcBikes]

I rarely have any clue what scooter is talking about. His life must be significantly different than mine.

[ironchop]

So......where is this "coolest dune triker chick" which was the whole reason I clicked on this thread to begin with?

Epic Click Bait. The OP could land a job with Yahoo news in a second with that one.

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[atc007]

OP is an amazing guy... it is his girlfriend... He meant no harm......??? Oh well,,

[ironchop]

OP is an amazing guy... it is his girlfriend... He meant no harm......??? Oh well,,
Well since we already absolutely wrecked his thread, its probably rude to ask him to post her pic so I wont.

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[tri again]

yupp, trying to find usb cable from camera to 'puter to show her smile, on an sx at the dunes in oregon.

I really hope she doesn't die.

3 seizures so far, and a stroke that we know of.

thanks for caring.

I knew I could count on youse guys

[tripledog]

She will be in my prayers for sure. That benzo is a whole lot of evil in a small pill.

[Scootertrash]

I figured that try was talking about someone other than himself in the OP, but it was a little unclear.

Prayers to your lady, you, and family and friends. Hope she pulls thru.

[Mosh]

I am not in love with the moron. I am calling him out...I never said or did anything to antagonize the moron. I mere chimed in on a thread having an opinion. The little trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro is crying he can't have an opinion but yet has the gall to say I cant have an opinion. Glamy you are a bullshit poser moron. You have never offered anything worth a crap here. All you have ever done is try to stir up crap, and post rediculous loud mouthed pornographic crap. I could go back and dig up all kinds of bs you have spouted. Man when org went down your one turd that landed here and still continue to stink the place up.
Been to the invasion every year? More bullshit. You werent there when I was in 2010. I say again go trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro yourself. I am done with your nonsense. I never had any promtion or self righteousness in here. I stated I watched a moron piss a business away due to a pill problem and YOU chose to go on the attack. Your just a shallow little man pissed at the world. Go on about your miserable existence, but know that anytime you want to try to trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro on me for nothing I am gonna dish it right back at you fool.

[ironchop]

I really hope she doesn't die.

3 seizures so far, and a stroke that we know of.

thanks for caring.

I knew I could count on youse guys

Damn dude...I sincerely apologize. I had no idea she was doing bad or my attitude would have been a lot less dismissive toward your plight. I'm sure a lot of other guys would have too.

Thoughts and prayers to your wife and family.

I know how bad they are in other areas as I quit them because they make me rage and be super aggressive. After nearly being arrested for assaulting someone at work, my wife pointed out that the pills made me mean so I stopped them cold. I had withdrawals like violent dreams, headaches, quick temper, heart palpitations, high blood pressure but nothing like she's having.

They prescribed them to me after open heart surgery because they wanted me to maintain calm and sedated while my ribcage and heart healed up.

Again, I apologize.



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[El Camexican]

Ditto to the first two lines of the above. Did not get that from your title or the post that followed, sorry. Hope it works out for her.

[Dirtcrasher]

IDGAF what anyone says. When I was in hell with no money, panic attacks etc etc, I went to a doc. Of course he pushes everything, thats part of the job.

The only one that fudged me up was Klonopin, worse if I drank on it. Plenty of people saw it.

You have to do it a month at a time. From 2 to 1.5 to 1 to .5 to 0 which is where I am know. No longer do I pass out or repeat myself 10 times; You can't see it if your the one doing it. People just tell you what you did.

I was forced to get off them at TF13?? By my ride home. I got lost in the woods, lost my trike. Doctor said I was headed for a seizure and or a stroke, and from what I read, he is correct. NO COLD TURKEY for those types of meds, it is a long process and ya have to stay focused; Never increase the dosage again.

An abrupt stop can kill you. Again, IDGAF what anyone says because it happened to me!!

I do take a BP pill once in the morning and if I can't sleep I wear headphones and take amnitryptolene (SP) (same crap found in turkeys)........

[keister]

I also meant no disrespect. Seems a lot of us misunderstood your OP. I hope things get better soon.

[Dirtcrasher]

How is she doing??

I just wanted to post something I hadn't mentioned before. Again, while I was prescribed Klonopin, I ran out on a Thursday and the doc was closed until Tuesday; I thought no big deal.

Sunday, I went to to separate the tenants trash and recyclables. It was a cold day, snow on everything and I was madder than HELL that the BOZOS couldn't do anything right.

20 minutes in I felt weird and my tenant Steve came outside to see me still in the driveway. I said "why do you guys do this to me!!", he offered to help but I'm stubborn. He came out again after another 15 minutes and I was in the truck. I couldn't speak right and the left side of my face wasn't working. I NEVER THOUGHT IT WAS THE DRUG!!!!!!!

He followed me to a CVS with a BP machine and my BP was 184/141, CVS said they were calling 911 but never asked about meds or diabetes etc. And stubborn Steve didn't want his truck left there so I just took off. I felt screwed up as the day went on and went to the after hours care. They said I had a mild stroke. Prescribed me 10 Klono's and in 12 hours I was AOK. I could have died, just like Trikefest. You CANNOT quit immediately but I do not seem to have a rewired brain; Maybe it's in how you taper down? It ended up taking me about 6 months to get off it completely.

I humiliated myself many times on that drug. I probably wouldn't have been as bad if I didn't drink, but I did. And no, they do not make you high, more awake, nothing. Your just doing what the doc says but not telling him you'll be having beer with the drug.

In my case, it wasn't a problem at all once I tapered off but I guess you have read otherwise. The only reason I stopped was I allowed my father to move in with me for a bit and after he told me the stories of the things I was doing or saying, I knew I had to cut the chitt. Fabiodriven tried to tell me a hundred times that this is what it was doing and I didn't listen; I should have. He kept saying he wanted to film it because I was in such denial.

At Icefest 2015 from the second the guys pulled in my driveway to pick me up, they were so pissed at me for not having my silencer on and not being packed that no excuse was gonna work (I simply ran out of time the days before as I never ice raced ot had the parts so I was running late), I got treated like chitt for not being all packed and at the end of my driveway; Although at least 5X I said "LEAVE!!" So, yeah, I got F'd up all weekend. I didn't give a hoot. And that was the end of a great friendship but it is what it is.......I take 100% responsibility. The only one that didn't rag on me was Rory, he did voice his concerns though. Thank you Rory.

It is a very dangerous drug and I'm glad I'm off it. But, I did need it when I was laid off, low on funds and had no one. Then I passed out at Market Basket when I got my balance at the ATM. I had managed to keep my house when the love of my life left me for cocaine but I couldn't stay laid off, i't great for 2 weeks, then 2 years of hell!! That's how it all started.

IDK why your girl quit or ran out abruptly, but if she tapers off I do believe she will be alright. She seems very special to you so I'm sure it's not good times right now. Don't let anything you read and assume they are 100% right. Have her slowly taper off and hopefully her head is in a good place so she doesn't need those medications again.

I wish both of you and her much better times!!

[El Camexican]

And that was the end of a great friendship but it is what it is.......I take 100% responsibility.

About 25 years ago my best friend and I had a fist fight that I'm pretty sure he started. Then we didn't speak for over two years. One day he got up the huevos to knock on my door and we've never discussed it again. I could call him up tomorrow and tell him I was in trouble and he'd be here in 48 hours or less and he knows I'd do the same for him. True friend are like that and way more reliable than family it seems.

As Tri Again is living first hand, we don't always know what the last thing we say or do to someone will be. If you truly feel you were the one to blame for the fallout then pick up the phone and say it to whomever you wronged. The worst they can do is hang up.

[Caminofeld]

Wow, some really harsh words on here…but I do enjoy seeing brutal honesty from time to time.

First off, I hope things get better for the young lady this thread was originally about.

Second, the medical community as a whole is to blame for much of the prescription narcotic addiction issues today. Thankfully many of the prescribing Docs are becoming aware and changing their practice…and I'm proud to say that as of Feb. this year my Emergency Dept. has joined the others in the area in being dilaudid-free. I work in one of the few community hospitals left, so patient satisfaction is what keeps us in business. When I first got into Nursing, we used to give out narcs like candy and I would hear phrases like "a sleeping patient is a happy patient". My Wife just burned a prescription from her OB for 40 Percocets for pain after birth. We found the script in our kindling box (where most of our junk mail goes) and couldn't believe that they would think to prescribe that. After all, people have been giving birth without drug assistance for thousands of years. Every shift I see "drug-seekers" and I truly believe that their "pain" is mostly a symptom of withdrawal. There's no good solution to fix those already addicted, but at least we are starting to learn from the past and not create future addicts.

I also partially side with some on here who blame the patient. It is up to the individual to have a brain and not just take something because a Doctor says to. It is also up to the individual to use their willpower and alternative methods (Physical Therapy, Tylenol, acupuncture, etc) to tolerate pain. Benzos are a bit of a different animal, and can be more closely associated with alcohol abuse due to acting on the same brain receptors. I sometimes have a great deal of anxiety and have been offered benzos in the past, but I've found that [for me] a rigorous exercise routine and a sense of humor go a long way. I also have to set a good example for my children, so I prefer them to see Daddy effectively dealing with life rather than medicating to disassociate from it. Hopefully through leading by example I can raise my kids to be smart, strong, confident, and autonomous to avoid these issues.

Best of luck to anyone struggling with medication issues.

[atc007]

My Niece is a Dr. She runs the Er 5 12's a week. 75% of the patients are there seeking a drug. A great friend of mine is/was a Doc. She had a Daughter 2 years ago, Son before Christmas. Same story, she is in family med,,a very rural clinic/hospital. She resigned yesterday,same ol,same ol. 80 % of her Pt's were there on,or for drugs. Legal or illegal. A high school friend/neighbor of mine died in a head on crash 2 miles up the road from me about 5 years ago. His Son OD'd on heroin last Wednesday. 27 yo.. I just don't get it :). I hope your ladies doing better tri.

[Dirtcrasher]

Pain pills are why everyone is dying. They can't get their 30 - 30mg percs a month and switch to cheaper heroin. Take too much to be warm and fuzzy and die.

I know, I know, it's another pill. But if these sick people got a pill to take off the withdrawal symptom away, some may quit altogether. Otherwise theyre gonna go and do heroin.

2 tenants died this past year from an overdose. I found 1 of them and it's etched in my head forever......