Input on 1986 200x

[250ES5984]

Going to pick this jewel up tomorrow. He says that it smokes when it gets hot. I'm thinking that it would be rings but I'm no mechanic. Pros and cons? I know the '86s are 6 speed and they're a little different. Any input is appreciated. Thanks!230966230967230968230969230970230971

[86125m]

Depending on the price the bike looks to be in good shape. I would snatch it up even with the motor problems.

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[oscarmayer]

I would get it and rebuild the top end. figure about $400-$600 to do it right over what you spend on the trike.

[Dirtcrasher]

The handling and feeling of every part of the 86/87 is superior. Way too many changes to list from the 1st generation.

The headlight alone fetches 250$.

The 1st gens can be built to make more power but I'll take my 87 over that anyday.....

[83ATC185]

Had my eye on this one for a while, rare find around these parts! Get it!

[rustyhondas]

That thing is nice

[Madman Racing]

I have an 86 and 87. Excellent handling trikes. Cosmetic parts can get a little pricey ,but that one appears to be all there. Smoking or not I'd snatch it up and fix it. You won't be sorry.

[Crazyktmmatt]

I bought a 86 for $300- had a bent intake valve. It already had a wiseco piston in it come to find out. I did another jug for it since it had a couple pits in it I didnt like. Runs good has more power then my first gens on the bottom end. My 83 feels faster on the top with just a supertrapp. I need to re put exhaust on the 86 since i sold the DG off it.


The 86 is my favorite rider of all my 25 bikes lol

[250ES5984]

Well, I got it. 1000 bucks wouldn't bad I don't think. Has a small oil leak, don't know yet if it's from the head ot the right case. The tank is absolutely spotless on the inside. It's actually surprising how clean it is. It has aftermarket fenders on it, but that's no problem.

Aftermarket exhaust is probably gonna be next. Are they somewhat easy to find?

The lovely carb is probably gonna have to be replaced. It won't run unless the choke is on, and the choke won't return unless I push the small metal piece down with my finger. Is that a common problem?

The guy somewhat rigged the kicker and it won't click back in the closed position. If anyone has an extra, let me know.

Brake pedal is bent pretty bad. Probably going to need one of those too. Rear brake pads from eBay or somewhere?

Need a rear grab bar, prm possibly.

On the upside, it has 3 nearly new tires, and two aluminum wheels, may be douglas, I don't know yet. It also came with the tail light, so I'll be putting it on someday soon.

I'll upload pics later, my phone it being stubborn. Thanks for all the replies and input!!

Chandler.

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[Crazyktmmatt]

Dg exhaust is easy to get for em. Dumb loud tho.

I have a brake pedal for one.


Sounds like the plastic lever is missing. Ive seen 200es ones on ebay


The prm is nice on 86



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[250ES5984]

Matt, the plastic lever is there, but when I push the choke off, the metal rotating piece in the carb won't rebound.

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[thcowboy]

Matt, the plastic lever is there, but when I push the choke off, the metal rotating piece in the carb won't rebound.

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That sounds like your missing the spring or the spring is broken/slipped on the outside of the carb. Does the choke move easily? Is there a spring on the outside of the carb?

[250ES5984]

That sounds like your missing the spring or the spring is broken/slipped on the outside of the carb. Does the choke move easily? Is there a spring on the outside of the carb?
Yes, it moves freely, but no there's no spring

[fieldy]

The stock exhaust is better than the dg, unless you race. In my opinion dg gives you a smidge more power because you have to use bigger carb jets. I agree with the above post about the excessive noise of the dg. My dg 86x can be heard well from a mile away.

[AK47KID]

Dg exhaust is easy to get for em. Dumb loud tho.

I have a brake pedal for one.


Sounds like the plastic lever is missing. Ive seen 200es ones on ebay


The prm is nice on 86



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What kind of grab bar is that? Where'd you get it?

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[Thorpe]

^^ it's made by "PRM"

[Madman Racing]

Congratulations on your purchase. Is your carbon a factory keihn or a Chinese replacement now?The reason I ask is most of those Chinese carbs appear to be based of a 185 or 200s carb which will make it run/idle, but lose some performance .I had that problem with my 85 x ,and my buddies 86x. Once we put factory carbs back on there was a big difference in the power. Do yourself a favor and rebuild the factory one.

[250ES5984]

Congratulations on your purchase. Is your carbon a factory keihn or a Chinese replacement now?The reason I ask is most of those Chinese carbs appear to be based of a 185 or 200s carb which will make it run/idle, but lose some performance .I had that problem with my 85 x ,and my buddies 86x. Once we put factory carbs back on there was a big difference in the power. Do yourself a favor and rebuild the factory one.
I'm new to the 200x, so I'm still unsure about some things. What is the stock size Keihn carb? I know I've read somewhere on round slides and some other type of slide. What's the difference? I know there's a thread on here somewhere, but I don't have time right now to find it. Kinda just want a "nutshell" idea on the slides.

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[thcowboy]

Yes, it moves freely, but no there's no spring

Well there is your problem. I dont know where you can get the springs. Someone else will have to chime in on that

These specs are off of the oldsite.

Carburetion 24 mm Keihin

[nstyle73]

I second the Chinese carb issues. My 87 had one when I bought it, would start, idle and run, but lacked power. I put the smallest jet I had, a 142 I think, and it made a HUGE difference. Otherwise, I really don't have an issue with the Chinese carb.

[250ES5984]

Another thing I didn't think about, when you pull up on the lever, does it turn the choke on? Or is it the opposite. This is my first 200x and I have never had much time around them.

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[fieldy]

Yes choke is up, stock carb is easily rebuildable. Go to keihn, I think, website they will have an exploded view of the carb. I don't do links.Shindy sells rebuild kits, maybe they have a diagram.Jetsrus.com........jets. Manual has all specs......24 or 26mm carb.

[250ES5984]

Thanks, so I may actually have no carb issues other than it bogging itself down at full throttle. Plan on rebuilding anyway just in case.

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[Dirtcrasher]

Suddco may sell that spring; They have a 25$ minimum so grab a set of floats and the float needle, maybe some jets??

IDK if they sell a rebuild kit together or in pieces. Shindy works great.

I've seen MOOSE have the wrong air screw threads....

[250ES5984]

Suddco may sell that spring; They have a 25$ minimum so grab a set of floats and the float needle, maybe some jets??

IDK if they sell a rebuild kit together or in pieces. Shindy works great.

I've seen MOOSE have the wrong air screw threads....
Will probably check on the Suddco parts. What or who is Shindy?

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[250ES5984]

I also need to know what the tool is called that has to be used to tighten the chain. Spanner maybe?

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[250ES5984]

Anyone? I'm gonna get pic of it tomorrow and post. Does anyone know a reputable mechanic anywhere between north alabama and central Kentucky? My grandfather bought some land up in Munfordville and he will be back and forth, and I will be up that way some.

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[loganm]

Is it broke -> no
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Don't fix it

Proceed to ride the piss out of it

[250ES5984]

Is it broke -> no
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Don't fix it

Proceed to ride the piss out of it
Speaking from experience with my sx, I want to fix the oil leak and smoking problem before something else happens. Considering that I don't have any knowledge of engines and no one to help me, I need to get someone to work on it. I understand. The "if it's not broke, don't fix it" but in my eyes, if something isn't running right, it's broken.

As of right now, I am riding the piss out of it!!

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[fieldy]

Shindy carb rebuild kits on ebay. I always used a medium length 3/8 extension or a piece of rebar or a long bolt to pry the chain tight. Whatever could be found. Thinking the 86 200x tool kit had a 6 inch piece of 3/8 round metal rod in it that may be the tool you are in search of. Not really anything special. You could wrap the roundstock with electrical tape to prevent marring the adjuster.

[250ES5984]

Got it out and rolled around my buddy's track today, then cleaned her up. I've never owned a 200x before, but it seems like it's lacking in power. More than likely the carb needs a good cleaning and rebuilding.

Anyway, onto the pics.
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What is the rubber piece for that's attached at the bottom of the rear shock?

[bigezee]

Nice find. Looks like most of it is there. Mine was about in this shape when i bought it. I had the motor totally rebuilt as it was smoking and had a knock when i got it. something to do with the camshaft i think. I have spent a lot of time and money finding all original parts and pieces for this thing. It takes patience as it is almost like a treasure hunt. We like pictures. keep them coming. I am not an expert on these but let me know if you have any questions.

Here is mine so far..

I isn't mint or perfect but just trying to get it to a almost new condition.

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[250ES5984]

Nice find. Looks like most of it is there. Mine was about in this shape when i bought it. I had the motor totally rebuilt as it was smoking and had a knock when i got it. something to do with the camshaft i think. I have spent a lot of time and money finding all original parts and pieces for this thing. It takes patience as it is almost like a treasure hunt. We like pictures. keep them coming. I am not an expert on these but let me know if you have any questions.

Here is mine so far..

I isn't mint or perfect but just trying to get it to a almost new condition.

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Well, I do have one question. How do you change the chain on these. I can get the new one on there, but I don't know exactly what all needs to be done before I get back on it.

[bigezee]

Hard for me to explain but get a hold of the service manual for the 86-87 200x. You will need it if your going to do a lot of work on it. It is in pdf form and you can search for the link somewhere on this site. That is where i got it. I'm sure to take it on and off just undo the retaining clip for it. To adjust tension you have to loosen the carrier bolts in the back and use the tool to swivel the carrier to tighten and loosen. Someone else might chime in for a more detailed explanation.

[250ES5984]

Hard for me to explain but get a hold of the service manual for the 86-87 200x. You will need it if your going to do a lot of work on it. It is in pdf form and you can search for the link somewhere on this site. That is where i got it. I'm sure to take it on and off just undo the retaining clip for it. To adjust tension you have to loosen the carrier bolts in the back and use the tool to swivel the carrier to tighten and loosen. Someone else might chime in for a more detailed explanation.
Thanks, yea I've got to download it. Is the tool a spanner wrench?

[Dirtcrasher]

No, not the 86/87.

Look at an 85 350X, that uses a spanner wrench. 86 350X uses a length of metal just like the 86/87 200X.

If it doesn't turn, take the bolts out of the swingarm. Then thread them from below and put a penny between the gap. As you tighten the bolts, the swingarm will open up a bit; Then you can spray it, oil it, work it back and forth or whatever you'd like.

[250ES5984]

No, not the 86/87.

Look at an 85 350X, that uses a spanner wrench. 86 350X uses a length of metal just like the 86/87 200X.

If it doesn't turn, take the bolts out of the swingarm. Then thread them from below and put a penny between the gap. As you tighten the bolts, the swingarm will open up a bit; Then you can spray it, oil it, work it back and forth or whatever you'd like.
Thanks! Got the chain put on earlier. Probably still gonna have to do what you said. Still needs to be adjusted more and I couldn't get it back to where the new chain has the right amount of slack.