Selling 3 wheeler and recieving payment through paypal???

[Murray8503]

I'm selling a 3 wheeler and guy is going to pay through paypal and have shipper pick it up. This isnt a craigslist deal. How can I cover myself?? Anyone done this??

[JacobMonster]

Oooooo, that's tough.
As I sell shoes on Ebay for a living, all transactions are through Paypal.
I can attest to the fact you can be screwed over my other people.
That being said, I've never had any dealings like that and can't say.
With Paypal, all you need is an e-mail address to receive or send payment.
I believe through Paypal, you can send invoices for products.
2 things you need to do before to go through with this.
1. Read up on Paypals policys regarding these kinds of transactions.
2. Call Paypal directly and talk to them. Explain to them the kind of deal that's going on.
Ask any and all questions you want to know.
Tell them about concerns, ask as many questions as you can. And ask them about covering yourself if this guy trys to screw you outta the money AND a bike.
They will be very helpful with giving you any and all the info you need bud.
Good luck

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[Murray8503]

Thanks I will call them now

[El Camexican]

What the Monster said, you can get royalty screwed using PayPay to take the funds. All he needs to do is say the trike is no good and that he's sending it back. He then gets a receipt for sending an empty pallet to you and you're toast as PayPal will be on his side. This was a scam in Europe a year or so back. PayPal said they were investigating options, but I haven't heard anything since.

[Murray8503]

Deal is with a Travis Gisclair of D&A restorations. Anyone on here deal with him? He's down in Louisiana.

[yaegerb]

Deal is with a Travis Gisclair of D&A restorations. Anyone on here deal with him? He's down in Louisiana.

I have not. Please use utmost caution with this sale. As El said this was a scam at one point.

[JacobMonster]

Deal is with a Travis Gisclair of D&A restorations. Anyone on here deal with him? He's down in Louisiana.
Did you happen to talk to Paypal yet?
If you have any questions or concerns, feel free to ask me bud. I have a bit of experience dealing with Ebay, Paypal, annoying customers, how the system works, how to play their stupid games.
Make sure of what guarantees you get to make sure you are not screwed over
El Camexican said exactly what can end up happening. Worse yet, you could end up paying the bill for the empty pallet back.

Best bet is to look into the invoice option.
With that, you should be able to write terms and conditions on the sale, like sold as is, no returns, etc.



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[JacobMonster]

But simply put,
Better to be safe than sorry.
There is a butt for every seat.
So if you don't sell it to him, don't sweat it.
Someone will come along, in person, with cash, and you wont have to worry or have the headache.

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[Murray8503]

I am going to call them tomorrow. He has already sent me 500 dollar deposit. Said he has to transfer money tomorrow and will send the rest. He is supposedly building a ton of tecates for some collector. I'm as nervous as a whore in church about it all.

[jonolanracin]

Just make sure trike doesnt leave your possession till you have all your money for sure.

[Murray8503]

Yeah its not going anywhere till money is in my bank. I'm just trying to find something legal wise I can cover my end.

[captainweezy]

If he wants the trike bad enough, he will figure out a way to pay you either by check and you hold it until it has gone through or something else.
I have been through this type of transaction and it is just not worth it.

So my advice would be take a different route.
You are already stressing so maybe follow your gut.

Good luck and let us know how it turns out.

[Murray8503]

He said he would send a certified check. I think I will go that route. I thought maybe some of you would know who this guy was. He restores old trikes and is doing a bunch of tecates that are pretty impressive. Was hoping someone on here could verify the guy was honest. I hate to be this way but I dont trust anyone these days.

[barnett468]

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This is incredibly simple . I use Paypal all the time and just ran around $50,000.00 thru there . Just have him pay you using the friends and family feature and tell him not to attach any note . You will have the money in less than 60 seconds and Paypal has no control over it if the guy doesn't like the bike if he uses this method . Once the money appears in your account it is yours forever and ever amen.


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[barnett468]

He said he would send a certified check. I think I will go that route. I thought maybe some of you would know who this guy was. He restores old trikes and is doing a bunch of tecates that are pretty impressive. Was hoping someone on here could verify the guy was honest. I hate to be this way but I dont trust anyone these days.

You need to wait until your bank says his bank has actually paid them if you are concerned about it . This can take 3 to 10 days.


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[nd4speed]

I had people reverse the charge through the credit card company going over Paypal's authority long after the 60 day return policy. They even kept the item. You can argue and Paypal said they would help.

That being said. The "my agent (shipper) will pick it up" was often associated with scams. I had a guy (agent) come pick a bunch of stuff up off my trailer onto his trailer. Cash deals only. Why can't they pay cash in person? Have you spoken to a real person? Is it all email? Phone numbers?

Using Paypal and picking up in person is not uncommon. I have done it.

My guess is the shipper can be a bad actor and "steal" the stuff. Buyer receives no goods and reverses the charges for non-delivery. So you had better handle the insured shipping yourself or find out all the info about the shipper. Good luck finding the shipper even if you ID him. Calling the authorities is always fun. Court is fun too.

If the buyer has thousands in a Paypal, then he can turn that into cash...or he gets no trikes...

You could also make them use the Paypal donation feature, if they dont donate, then just send the money back(you might incur a fee).

[barnett468]

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Paypal can not take money back out of an account if it is paid thru friends and family.

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[nd4speed]

Certified check often accompanies "I will send a shipper" scam. Fair warning....

[Murray8503]

Yes I have talked to the guy on the phone and messaged him back and forth on facebook. Guy is clear down in Louisiana so he is a long ways away from me to pick it up.

[nd4speed]

Another way is to use a business shipping dock and palletize. Bill of lading and signatures.

Who knows, maybe he will use U-Ship and you will end up on shipping wars?

Stuff has to get shipped everyday, there are lots of ways to do it.

[El Camexican]

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This is incredibly simple . I use Paypal all the time and just ran around $50,000.00 thru there . Just have him pay you using the friends and family feature and tell him not to attach any note . You will have the money in less than 60 seconds and Paypal has no control over it if the guy doesn't like the bike if he uses this method . Once the money appears in your account it is yours forever and ever amen.


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Aside from violating PayPal rules it offers the BUYER zero protection. Best way is if he has a friend in the area where the trike is and have him pay cash on his behalf and handle the shipping for him.

[barnett468]

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Murray8503 . You do NOT need "protection" when someone sends you money thru friends and family because it is yours once it goes into your account unless you defraud the sender in some way . This is a FACT, period, end of story.

If they send it as a payment for goods or services, Paypal will charge you around 3.5% . If the sender uses a credit card for goods or services, Paypal will charge you a few more percent . If they use a credit card for friends and family, the sender has to pay the percentage . Also, if they use the goods and services to pay you, Paypal will try to hold your money for 21 days so they can put it in a short term interest account and make interest off it . If the buyer uses a credit card and pays thru goods and services, the buyer can in fact dispute the payment for any reason which is a boat you don't want to be in if they have your bike and then dispute the payment.

I have been using Paypal for many years and have sold very high dollar cars thru there from Ebay so I know their system pretty well.


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[atcmatt]

Yeah but paying via friends and family offers 0 buyer protection. He could pay you and you then not send the item. Most buyers won't go for that.

[Murray8503]

Yeah I doubt he goes for friends and family as said above, I could take his money and run. I would never do that to someone but if I was the buyer I wouldnt do it.

[barnett468]

Yeah but paying via friends and family offers 0 buyer protection. He could pay you and you then not send the item. Most buyers won't go for that.

That is correct, however, that was not the question and that is irrelevant to a seller . The number 1 rule is never assume . Do NOT assume you think you know what the buyer will think, simply tell them the methods of payment you prefer . As the seller, you can request the funds any way you want . Never let a buyer dictate how they are going to pay you if you are not comfortable with their suggestion.

Another very simple option is Western Union . I also frequently use them when I don't want to use Paypal or the other party does not have Paypal etc, however, I use them for small amounts like $5,000.00 and less . I used them 4 times last month.

Walmart also sends money very inexpensively, however, you couldn't pay me to use their system . I tried it 4 times last month and each one was a nightmare.

Another method is to have them make a direct deposit into your checking account, however, you need to give them your account number to do that.

They can also give you a personal check . These sometimes clear faster than a certified check . Simply ask your bank how long each type of check will take to clear.

Another option is a cashiers check.

Another option is a wire transfer but you need to give them your account number for that also.


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[El Camexican]

That is correct, however, that was not the question and that is irrelevant to a seller . The number 1 rule is never assume . Do NOT assume you think you know what the buyer will think, simply tell them the methods of payment you prefer . As the seller, you can request the funds any way you want . Never let a buyer dictate how they are going to pay you if you are not comfortable with their suggestion.

Another very simple option is Western Union . I also frequently use them when I don't want to use Paypal or the other party does not have Paypal etc, however, I use them for small amounts like $5,000.00 and less . I used them 4 times last month.

Walmart also sends money very inexpensively, however, you couldn't pay me to use their system . I tried it 4 times last month and each one was a nightmare.

Another method is to have them make a direct deposit into your checking account, however, you need to give them your account number to do that.

They can also give you a personal check . These sometimes clear faster than a certified check . Simply ask your bank how long each type of check will take to clear.

Another option is a cashiers check.

Another option is a wire transfer but you need to give them your account number for that also.


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You forgot gold, silver, bearer bonds, sand dollars and goats.

[just ben]

I don't know him but I know he has been buying every 86/87 tecate that he can. I think he's legit and probably nothing to worry about but cover your ass. Maybe western union?

[Ghostv2]

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This is incredibly simple . I use Paypal all the time and just ran around $50,000.00 thru there . Just have him pay you using the friends and family feature and tell him not to attach any note . You will have the money in less than 60 seconds and Paypal has no control over it if the guy doesn't like the bike if he uses this method . Once the money appears in your account it is yours forever and ever amen.


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Even though this has been addressed, would YOU send a stranger $500+ as a gift for an item you never seen in person knowing there is no way to get your money back once you press send. It screams scam. Even if it was a member on here, I would want to cover my own ass if I don't know this guy personally. I don't know about you, as it sounds $500 is pocket change to you, but $500 is a lot of money to ME if it were lost.

I've bought trikes through PayPal before ever seeing them in person as a gift, but these were trusted friends and members. And quite frankly these were rare trikes that you can't afford to take the risk of someone else buying them out from under you lol. I've had members here I've never met send me funds to bring trikes home from TF, but these again were trusted members. Not strangers. It's just too risky for my taste.

[oldskool83]

I've done it before. Paypal is safe. If its titled just go to notary and get title in his name so he can't come back and sue you.

[atc300r]

You could have him send you a Postal Money order. You can cash them at a bank or post office.I use them all the time. I had a couple not show up and took the receipt to the post office and got my money back.The postal money orders are federal .Just my 2 cents.

[Mackus84]

Deal is with a Travis Gisclair of D&A restorations. Anyone on here deal with him? He's down in Louisiana.

While I have personally not dealt with Travis, I do see him buying and selling ALOT of trikes on the Atc facebook pages. He Usually looks for 87 200X's and other trikes that are in nice oem condition. I would think that your transaction should go smoothly with him, but like I said, i dont have any dealings with him so who knows for sure. Good Luck

[barnett468]

Even though this has been addressed, would YOU send a stranger $500+ as a gift for an item you never seen in person knowing there is no way to get your money back once you press send.

I not only would, I did it twice last month . Not only that, just last month I also gave 3 different people I didn't know a total of $58,500.00 in personal checks for vehicles I had not test driven or even seen in public and have been doing business this way for over 30 years.


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[barnett468]

Even if it was a member on here, I would want to cover my own ass if I don't know this guy personally. I don't know about you, as it sounds $500 is pocket change to you, but $500 is a lot of money to ME if it were lost.



A few months ago a regular member on this site that had never met me or spoken to me on the phone sent me a few thousand dollars for some very rare parts for a car he was restoring and was very happy with the parts and the delivery time.



I've bought trikes through PayPal before ever seeing them in person as a gift, but these were trusted friends and members. And quite frankly these were rare trikes that you can't afford to take the risk of someone else buying them out from under you lol. Not strangers. It's just too risky for my taste.

And therin lies part of the issue . I buy fairly rare cars and there are very few good ones left 45 years or more later and they are spread out throughout the US, so I can't simply drive down the street to find them, therefore, I either take a risk or I find another business . That being said, I don't just blindly send money to anyone that has an ad on Craigslist etc either . I talk to the people and get as much info as I can about them and if something seems suspicious I don't send them anything, and I can say that after over 30 years of sending a boat load of money to people I didn't know with no real recourse, I have never once gotten burned.

No risk = No reward



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[Ghostv2]

Maybe it's just me then. I can't afford the risk. If you can, more power to ya.

I'm just a kid without a dollar to his name trying to survive in this world. Killing myself at work with not much to show. Hell the only 250r I ever even got to ride was the one I got off captainwheezy for one of his clients as I drove it to load it in my truck. I can't afford the high dollar trikes. I stick with the hardtails.

Maybe one day I'll win the TF raffle and be able to ride with the big boys.

[oldskool83]

Hardtails in coal county man I got respect for you. You need a friend like me who buys bikes for people and does low weekly payments!

[Murray8503]

Thanks for all the advice and help but deal went south fast. Next time someone wants to buy something from me and mentions shipping I'm out. Telling him I would only go through if payment was friends and family now has me plastered on the facebook tecate page making me out to be the scammer because I made him feel like a "thief". Lesson learned.

[El Camexican]

Thanks for all the advice and help but deal went south fast. Next time someone wants to buy something from me and mentions shipping I'm out. Telling him I would only go through if payment was friends and family now has me plastered on the facebook tecate page making me out to be the scammer because I made him feel like a "thief". Lesson learned.

Yep, I love cash and carry deals.

[barnett468]

Thanks for all the advice and help but deal went south fast. Next time someone wants to buy something from me and mentions shipping I'm out. Telling him I would only go through if payment was friends and family now has me plastered on the facebook tecate page making me out to be the scammer because I made him feel like a "thief". Lesson learned.


What is the link to that page?

What happened to the certified check he was going to send, did you decide not to take that?


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[Murray8503]

pay pal friends and family. Then he wanted picture of my drivers license which I wouldnt give him, which doesnt even have my current address because I moved this summer and never went and had it changed. Like El Camexican said cash and carry from here on out. If I would have just stuck with that I wouldnt be getting my name drug through the dirt now.

[atc007]

Travis is a good buyer,, Too late to tell you that now. Sorry you guys couldn't deal.

[barnett468]

pay pal friends and family.

No, the link to the Tecate facebook page.


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[86T3]

IMO, if you want to hold an auction, spend the extra couple hundred bucks and put it on ebay, don't hold a silent bid on Facebook. And when you reach a deal, don't ask the buyer to purchase a $1700 trike with no protection on his end. I have been screwed twice on internet deals, and both were from people who didn't accept pay pal.

[Murray8503]

I never posted it for sale. I wanted to know what it was worth the condition it was in. I was trying to decide if it was worth the money I had figured to fix it or sell it. No where in my post did it say for sale.

[86T3]

No dude, we aren't stupid. You were looking to see what you got offered in private. Correct, you didn't "say for sale", but it was as good as a classified ad. Just like the guy earlier in the week who did the same thing with an 86. I'm going to talk to the page owner and put an end to this stuff, that will end this sort of drama.

[yaegerb]

pay pal friends and family. Then he wanted picture of my drivers license which I wouldnt give him, which doesnt even have my current address because I moved this summer and never went and had it changed. Like El Camexican said cash and carry from here on out. If I would have just stuck with that I wouldnt be getting my name drug through the dirt now.

Ok, I am stumped on this one. Why would he want a pic of your DL? That's a new one.

[Rob Canadian]

Ok, I am stumped on this one. Why would he want a pic of your DL? That's a new one.

Guessing it holds up on a Paypal Issue(?) if there is a problem. I see this guy buy all the time on FB.

[cr480r]

Ok, I am stumped on this one. Why would he want a pic of your DL? That's a new one.

He's probably just wanting to verify identity.. after he started acting shady.. And refused to get paid . Can't say I would blame him

[Ghostv2]

He's probably just wanting to verify identity.. after he started acting shady.. And refused to get paid . Can't say I would blame him

I agree. If your asking someone to take the risk and send funds as a "gift", he probably wants a face and a name in case something goes south. Someone he can hold accountable. It's not asking much.

Personally I would of gave it to him. I hand my ID to hundreds of people, it's no different. Most of that information can be obtained through a simple google search anyways.

[JacobMonster]

Hence why if you do it, you should do it through invoice and business options, not the friends and family because they arent friends and family.
Its a BUSINESS deal.

I'm sorry he plastered ya. That's a bit uncalled for, especially if you never initially wanted to sell the bike.
But hey, your learned something from the experience, and that's a benefit.
Cash is King.

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[barnett468]

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Murray8503, I sent you a "private message" . The site does not notify you when you receive pm's if your message button is not on.


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[RamsesRibb]

It appears to be a legitimate business however less than one month in operation. I can swing by there in the next week or so to check out the operation.


D & A RESTORATIONS, LLC
Charter Number:42402978K
Registration Date:9/26/2016

TRAVIS GISCLAIR
Title:Manager
Address 1:211 WEST 23
City, State, Zip:LAROSE, LA 70373

[Murray8503]

He sent me a message today apologizing about the whole thing. It seems there are a few that have dealt with him and seems he is legitimate. I was just nervous about payment and handled it wrong. Just wanted to clear that up.

[atc007]

He is,and he's offering you insane money for what you have..