I'm heated!!!

[fabiodriven]

I have heat! I had this garage built not long after I bought this house in 2010. It's always been somewhat of a cluster frig with shite just kind of strewn about everywhere. There's only one wall outlet, no 220v yet, and the work bench was "temporary" when TecateDan threw it together from scraps in probably 2011. It's really come together over the last couple years with the addition of a very serious arsenal of hand tools as well as many power tools and a ton of specialty tools. I have three welders now and I've been distributing parts throughout the walls all hung up so I know what I have. If I put too much stuff away I end up just buying things when I need them so I'd end up with repeat parts and tools because I just didn't know what I had.

Obviously getting a little off track here, but I have a storage shed as well. What I did in 2012-ish was turn the shed into a little work shop. Place looks haunted, it's dilapidated, but it has a decent work bench. I moved some tools out there and rigged some half-arsed lights, then four years later (now) realized that I have never once worked in that shed. The door doesn't even close and honestly I don't think I'd want to be in there with it closed if it did. I had crap laying around the garage floor that I don't even know what I'm going to do with or if I'm even going to keep it. I realized I had it backwards and I'm in the process of taking all of the useful things out of the shed and swapping it for the crap that just needs to be stored. So the shed will now be storage and the garage is quickly becoming a very respectable work space.

With today's crowning achievement being this pellet stove. I traded my enclosed cargo trailer to TecateDan for the the stove. It came with everything I needed and we had it un-installed from Dan's home inside of 15 minutes. Then myself and my buddy Albie spent the day installing it in my garage. Where we live up here this is is key. We have some extremely harsh winters here, and we're due to get hammered this year. This is going to more than double the amount of time I can spend in my garage annually, and I have plenty to get done out there. So behold!

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[Scootertrash]

Nuttin beats a heated work space!!!!

[tripledog]

Nuttin beats a heated work space!!!!

Spoken like a true Kardashian.

[El Camexican]

Something tells me there going to be a lot of "burning" going on it that shop ;)

[tripledog]

Something tells me there going to be a lot of "burning" going on it that shop ;)

It's 4:20 somewhere...

[86T3]

We love our pellet insert in our house, it's so friggin easy. If you can spare the money grab an extra igniter, ours went out twice in 5 years, and no lie, both times were on Saturday evening just after the only store that carried them closed. And they aren't open on sunday. I have a skid steer and a drive in basement so "doing fire wood" is super easy, I'd recommend befriending some one with one. Other than that, keep it clean and there really isn't much that can go wrong with them. Enjoy your heated shop bud

[coolpool]

Looking good fabio! Nothing beats wood burning heat on a cold day. Those stoves seem super easy to feed and maintain and you can usually find someone selling pellets at a reuced rate.

[Scootertrash]

Now all you need is some insulation ;)

ETA: You may want to check with your insurance company on their policies pertaining to open flame heaters in garages. In MN, it's my understanding that attached garages and floor level open flame heaters (furnaces, wood burners, pellet stoves, etc.) are a big no-no and insurance won't cover damage caused by a garage fire. It all has to do with flammable fumes gathering at floor level and the ability for those fumes to come in contact with the flame. I've got a buddy who had a garage fire from exactly that. Working on his truck, went in for dinner, heard strange sounds in the garage and opened the door to find a nice fire in progress. Caused quite a bit of damage to both the house and garage. He was heating his garage with a regular house furnace.

I've heard rumors that in some places you can elevate the heating unit 16 inches or more above the floor and get approval, but that's just a rumor, never heard it from an insurance professional or code inspector. YMMV

Detached garages are a different scenario, at least up here.

[fabiodriven]

Yes I do need to find out about that Scooter. I was told absolutely no wood burners for that reason, but this is far safer regardless of whether or not it meets any standard. It is not an open flame, it is sealed in the unit unless the door is opened obviously, and different from a wood stove it actually has a fresh air intake plumbed in through the wall so it takes all of the air it needs to fuel the fire from the outside. A wood stove would just be sucking any fumes that might build up right into the firebox, no question. But I do need to find out the exact legalities, yes.

[TwiZ]

Now all you need is some insulation ;)

ETA: You may want to check with your insurance company on their policies pertaining to open flame heaters in garages. In MN, it's my understanding that attached garages and floor level open flame heaters (furnaces, wood burners, pellet stoves, etc.) are a big no-no and insurance won't cover damage caused by a garage fire. It all has to do with flammable fumes gathering at floor level and the ability for those fumes to come in contact with the flame. I've got a buddy who had a garage fire from exactly that. Working on his truck, went in for dinner, heard strange sounds in the garage and opened the door to find a nice fire in progress. Caused quite a bit of damage to both the house and garage. He was heating his garage with a regular house furnace.

I've heard rumors that in some places you can elevate the heating unit 16 inches or more above the floor and get approval, but that's just a rumor, never heard it from an insurance professional or code inspector. YMMV

Detached garages are a different scenario, at least up here.. I know here in Pa. If in a space with combustibles or ajoining spaces must be double drywalled,must have flu damper,and the burner must be a minimum of 18" off the floor. Only thing that may be a issue is the flu pipe should be a min. of 18" above the eves,if wind swirls behind garage may cause blowback?( i wouldnt sweat it)Ive been a hvac guy for 30 years and love wood heat,esp if its a boiler with floor heat. I read your post about you fixin your furnace...thats awesome.and ive been wrenchin,weldin,n grindin fer a very long time...i gotta party with you...lol

[TwiZ]

Yes I do need to find out about that Scooter. I was told absolutely no wood burners for that reason, but this is far safer regardless of whether or not it meets any standard. It is not an open flame, it is sealed in the unit unless the door is opened obviously, and different from a wood stove it actually has a fresh air intake plumbed in through the wall so it takes all of the air it needs to fuel the fire from the outside. A wood stove would just be sucking any fumes that might build up right into the firebox, no question. But I do need to find out the exact legalities, yes.. That garage would have to be super super sealed for combustion air to be an issue. Hard to tell how close you are to the wall there but maybe a lil piece of concrete board behind the furnace. Only other thing i can see is the vent not above the eves. Issue? Idk,you will know when the wind is just right if it blows back,but i doubt it. Been awile since i did one of these but i may be mistaken i think it has a special cap that just mounts strait to the pipe coming out the wall,but it may be the gas units im thinkin of. Nice lil wood burner,i use a big ass Jensen,frickin wood hog that thing is,but i can be in the garage with a tee shirt on in below zero weather

[John Tice]

What a great thread from all of you; I’m in the process of moving my whole machine shop into my large double garage. I’ve also got a pellet stove & Kabota ATV stuffed in there. When the stove burns, the Kabota sits outside. Thanks for all of the advice.


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[tripledog]

The outdoor air intake is the way to go. Instead of sucking cold air through gaps in the heated structure, the heat from the stove actually helps to push cold air in the structure out. This should also help cut your fuel consumption.

[TwiZ]

Exactly. I know what ya mean. I can be layin on my floor and freez me arse off but 2' higher is about a 20 degree swing. I got a old ceiling fan and put that in along with a box fan above my wood burner,that made a huge difference

[86T3]

The outside air intake is a must on newer homes also. If the house is sealed up really well the stoves can use too much of the oxygen in the hose and kill you. At least that's what the stove company told me, seems far fetched but I suppose they know better than I do. My house is almost 70 years old and not airtight by any stretch of the word so I didn't go with the outside air intake

[TwiZ]

I remember back in early 90s some houses were sealed so tight windows would sweat..... Cure...pop a hole thru basement wall,install a piece of 3"sch 40 pvc with a rodent screen and keep it about 6" off the basement floor. Problem solved

[tripledog]

My house is over 150 years old, and I think the corn crib next to it is less drafty by comparison. I heat solely with an R65 Shenandoah barrel type stove that has the air intakes on the loading door. I wish I could retrofit an outdoor air intake on it, because I LOVE my vintage 1985 stove. Best $55 I ever spent!

[fabiodriven]

Hard to tell how close you are to the wall there but maybe a lil piece of concrete board behind the furnace. Only other thing i can see is the vent not above the eves. Issue? Idk,you will know when the wind is just right if it blows back,but i doubt it.

You are far from the first person to express concerns for these two issues. I would be saying the same thing if I didn't have this stove in front of me. I've been heating with wood since I was a kid and that's the only way to heat my home currently. I have a wood stove upstairs and a wood furnace in the basement. Obviously with wood you need a lot of clearance with walls and the chimney must vent above the eaves a certain amount based on drafting tendencies for the structure being heated as well as the local weather patterns.

Because this is a pellet stove, it's very different. The back side of the stove does not get very hot. It has the hopper, the auger, and a lot of electronics on the back side of the unit so you could safely put this thing very close to a wall. Also, the exhaust pipe is insulated before it even exits the unit, meaning every inch of exhaust pipe on this is insulated the entire way out and up. I touched the stack outside yesterday and it was hot, but it wouldn't burn you right away. You can safely touch it. I'd imagine it would be hotter directly out of the stove, but compared to uninsulated black pipe from a wood stove these temperatures are extremely low in relative terms.

This unit was in Dan's (very nice) home, which is a little higher-end, and the stack was mounted at roughly the same height I have it. Dan's house is two stories so there is an entire second floor up past where this stack ends. It doesn't send blazing hot soot out of the stack, it's really just hot air with very minimal amounts of smoke. The only time you can see the smoke is when it first lights, then it's almost clear. I reached up with my hand as far as I could and couldn't feel anything. I'm going to get closer some time just to feel how hot it is.

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[Scootertrash]

So would I be correct in assuming that these pellet stoves don't rely on draft flow for burning as much as wood stoves?

We have a wood burning household also. 1 big stove in the basement for supplemental heat and a wood burning insert up stairs for "cozy" fires, but it puts out a decent amount of heat itself.

[fabiodriven]

All drafting is forced with a blower. It has an auger that dribbles pellets into a little burn basket. The faster the auger turns, the bigger the fire. The draft is blown right into the burn basket so it's constantly fanning the flame. It does everything itself, even lighting itself. You just turn it on. It does rely on electricity to work, so if the power goes out you're frigged. I'm not frigged, however, because my mighty Onan the Barbarian generator is poised to fire at the push of a button! Haha

[tripledog]

I'm impressed with the Rube Goldberg like method that you used to move the stove from your truck to your shop. If I tried that, it would likely result in a dented stove, broken rear plastics on the 3 wheeler, and wood splinters large enough to require a hospital visit to have them removed.
It would be neat if you could make your own wood pellets, although it probably would not be cost effective.

[fabiodriven]

I'm impressed with the Rube Goldberg like method that you used to move the stove from your truck to your shop. If tried that, it would likely result in a dented stove, broken rear plastics on the 3 wheeler, and wood splinters large enough to require a hospital visit to have them removed.
It would be neat if you could make your own wood pellets, although it probably would not be cost effective.

Haha! Thanks! The offloading method was actually Albie's idea. We had to stare at it for quite a while. There was smoke coming from our... ears for a while there, then Albie hatched the plan you saw. It worked great!

Same guy, Albie, was telling me about his buddy that either makes his own pellets or it may have been compressed brick "logs", I don't remember. I'm going to ask him about that again.

[tripledog]

I have used the Envi brand compressed bricks, and found them to be of inconsistent quality. They are merely compressed sawdust from mills and furniture manufacturers, so the species of wood they use varies a great deal. Even the lower quality bricks still burn too hot for my old stove, but they are nice to mix in with wood that is less than seasoned. Burning the bricks alone in my stove will produce more heat than a Galaxy Note 7.

[fabiodriven]

I don't remember the brand of wood bricks I was burning, but they were really good quality. I agree though, they can burn too hot! I could control the burn but the nitwit that used to live with me cracked my Russo wood stove (still cracked) and also melted the cast iron grate in the furnace. The grate was under warranty and they're known for melting and breaking anyways, but it was still tard boy's fault. I caught him overfiring multiple times while he was in the shower or cooking or something. It was just a matter of time before he destroyed something, or somethings I guess. The stove won't turn down low anymore because of the crack he put in it which will always suck air now. It's not a huge deal because the stove is just for when it's not extremely cold out and is not relied upon for the majority of the heating. Still sucks though.

[Scootertrash]

If you remember the name of those wood bricks Fabio, post it up. ;)

This thread is makin' me hot. I'm gonna go take a cold shower. :naughty: :beer

[tripledog]

If you remember the name of those wood bricks Fabio, post it up. ;)

This thread is makin' me hot. I'm gonna go take a cold shower. :naughty: :beer

Don't forget to lather up with Head and Smolders.

[Rob Canadian]

Nice addition. How big is your garage?

Mine is 20X20. Plan was to put a funance in it. My insurance did not like it. Too much to make it to "code"

[fabiodriven]

Mine is 19x37.

[TwiZ]

All drafting is forced with a blower. It has an auger that dribbles pellets into a little burn basket. The faster the auger turns, the bigger the fire. The draft is blown right into the burn basket so it's constantly fanning the flame. It does everything itself, even lighting itself. You just turn it on. It does rely on electricity to work, so if the power goes out you're frigged. I'm not frigged, however, because my mighty Onan the Barbarian generator is poised to fire at the push of a button! Haha
Thats why i was thinking that backdraft wouldnt be a problem due to the induced draft blower,like i said its been a while since i installed one,i dont know if it even needs a stack,induced draft are usually direct vent,at i took immediate note of the B vent pipe( i know B vent is for gas,but its a generic term for double lined pipe). Again correct on the distance...when i install anything i think about what it be like towork on it( im a service tech lol) so if there is stuff behind unit i make sure i have enough room to service it,along with what ever the install manual says for distance for combustibles...from what i see yuor more than fine,and this aint your first rodeo,like you ive heated with wood most of my life. In fact just went and got wood,now for the splittin and stackin.

[Jd110]

Not a code thumper, but what scooter said about flammable vapors is a very real threat. Not only with open flames, but with electrical arc's. Code nazi's get excited if you put any electrical device below 18"from finished floor in a garage, which is considered a hazardous location, due to the fact flammable vapors could be present. This is one reason I like drop cord/reel from ceiling. Pulling a cord from something that is under a load while vapors are concentrated could turn ugly. Even with that said, I wouldn't be afraid to use that heater. If there are vapors present you can just air it out 1st. From my perspective, the code is to protect people that haven't thought about it. Very awesome to have heat it the shop, though!

[Scootertrash]

Glad I could spark a conversation on the subject.

[fabiodriven]

Yes so always check your local building codes before installing any heater.

[plastikosmd]

nice truck, need more pics

[Dirtcrasher]

Yeah, if you check with the town/city, you'll probably need permits and a stack 3 feet above your roof.

There is PLENTY of draft from that exhaust picture I saw.....

[fabiodriven]

No the stack is not an issue, that's how it's made and it does not need to be above the roofline.


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[86T3]

nice truck, need more pics

Oh Lord, here we go

[plastikosmd]

I cant help it, sucker for a flat bed

[fabiodriven]

1999 F-350 Super Duty, 2wd, 7.3, six speed manual, optional Dana 80. 256,XXX miles.

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I've been showing people ^^^that picture for over a year and I just realized there was a light out, lol. That drives me insane. The body has two amber lights then a red one along the side.

And now I also just realized the visor isn't there! It blew off once and was off for a week before I fixed it. Figures I'm doing photo shoots and the thing's all clapped out!

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[plastikosmd]

Sweet truck
Looks great with the pop up on it, was that prior to stack?

[fabiodriven]

Thanks! No, the stack is removable. I slid a turn-down on underneath. Twin I-beam front end too. Thing tows like nobody's business.


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[roostin atc]

Looking good John, your going to enjoy that for sure. I don't think you will have any issues with draft. Those units are forced draft. I'm not expert on the stoves but I have seen them vented with no stack straight through the wall.

[Caminofeld]

This is my garage heating project for the next month…got an old wood stove and have to relocate a bunch of stuff to plumb into the existing chimney…especially the gunpowder…

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[TwiZ]

In la -la land you NEVER want to call inspectors unless you have to ....case in point ......water heater install (permitted for anal cust. my job) 3 months later cust. says job was bounced ?? So i don`t remember the job i go back out and what is it ? A solid door on an outside closet with an electric water heater inside ........and building inspector SHEEEEE says i need cumbuston air for the closet ......i`m on the phone with her super .....how bout back charge ...... he says nah i`ll take care of it never saw her name again on an inspection card = jackwagon state has to hire women and minorities .....
I totally agree.....thats cute,a electric tank needs combustion air...it needs a 3/4" plug in the blowoff valve too...ive been in plumbing heating a/c electrical biz for 30 years...thats a first

[Shep1970]

Hey fabio, my dad is the building inspector in hopkinton, ma if you want me to show him these pics to find
Out if its up to code i can. No paper work involved...
Pm recieved-nice truck/trailer(s) by the way..

[fabiodriven]

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[AK47KID]

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Recently went from a pellet stove that didn't work to a wood stove.

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[Caminofeld]

I went out and mocked everything up in the garage while the kids were napping. I have some questions regarding safe distances from the wood stove...

-closest electrical will be 5 ft away
-the only open powder is in my capped loading hopper 11 ft away.
-bullets 11 ft away.
-gasoline 25 ft away.

Are these safe distances? I really can't go too much farther.

[fabiodriven]

Sounds relatively safe, but obviously common sense is going to be your best friend. I moved my gas cans out to the shed and I bought a wall mounted fire extinguisher. I don't know how it took me so long to figure out I didn't have one in the garage already, I have them in my house, camper, and truck. I'm going to put a second one in the garage as well.

I don't have gunpowder so I don't know about that. If anyone has seen the episode of Mythbusters where they try to blow up a house under ideal circumstances using just vapors, it's not as easy as you may imagine. In order to get the perfect stoichiometric ratio to light they really had to manufacture some more than ideal circumstances. I haven't seen it in a while but it made me laugh at the building codes here at the time. I'm in no way telling you that you should be careless or not to worry, you must always be cautious when heating with solid fuels, but some codes will make you scared to even try.

After heating with wood as long as I have, I've burned a lot of carpets from coals falling out the door while loading or cleaning, but while it's going if it's all set up properly it's relatively safe. Distances from combustible objects obviously does matter, however you could take a chunk of wood and let it cook on top of the stove possibly indefinitely and it's not going to light so...

[fabiodriven]

The following is for you Scooter. I think I recall a while back where you were getting on me for the amount of pollution I make burning as much wood as it do. I think it may have been a thread having to do with the environment or something. I'd love to go back and look but I can't remember what the subject was exactly or who started the thread.

Basically wood heat can be quite "green" all things considered.

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[Caminofeld]

Thanks! My gut tells me that it's a safe setup…plus I'll have a box fan blowing the opposite way to circulate heat and push any sparks away.

AK, I like the cinder block idea too…I may do that if I feel there's too much heat on anything.

[AK47KID]

Thanks! My gut tells me that it's a safe setup…plus I'll have a box fan blowing the opposite way to circulate heat and push any sparks away.

AK, I like the cinder block idea too…I may do that if I feel there's too much heat on anything.
I have a fan about 3 feet above the stove to help push the heat out. Works well. Even considering this stack pipe is rated for only pellet stoves the fan helps keep it cool. The bricks get hot but I can touch the inside of it that is closest to the wall (if that makes sense). There's a outlet next time the stove about a foot away but it doesn't hurt it. Heck the wood stove in the house has a outlet that is 4 or 5 inches away from the stove. Haven't had a problem

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[Caminofeld]

I see most people raising their fireboxes (as Glambake suggested)…Is this to prevent ignition of fumes? Is it necessary to do? I'll pick up some cinder blocks at HD today JIC.

[fabiodriven]

Glambake! Oh that's priceless!

[sledcrazyinCT]

Always have had wood stoves in the garage. If we are working gasoline projects, and must do it inside the building, I just open the 10x10, 10x12 garage doors for cross ventilation.

Never heard to raise the heat source off the ground 18 inches? I have had one insurance company on site because they wanted fire rock on the wall where the stove vents to chimney in order to maintain coverage. Would think they would bust your cookies, but maybe that gives them an out if the place lights up?

[Caminofeld]

man i`m gonna to have leave people hate me here ! .....sorry did`nt mean to muck up the thread Mr. fabs ....i`m gone

No way bro, I always enjoy your comments and input! I just figured this thread mutated into a general discussion/ informational source regarding heating our workspaces. Everyone's input has been very helpful, and hopefully some others get what they need from it too.

[Caminofeld]

My insurance covers my wood stove in the house, and the garage has a chimney (the previous owner took their stove…and moosehead:mad:and patched the hole). I'm definitely jacking it up and making sure I have the bay doors open when working with flammables!

[czac]

. That garage would have to be super super sealed for combustion air to be an issue. Hard to tell how close you are to the wall there but maybe a lil piece of concrete board behind the furnace. Only other thing i can see is the vent not above the eves. Issue? Idk,you will know when the wind is just right if it blows back,but i doubt it. Been awile since i did one of these but i may be mistaken i think it has a special cap that just mounts strait to the pipe coming out the wall,but it may be the gas units im thinkin of. Nice lil wood burner,i use a big ass Jensen,frickin wood hog that thing is,but i can be in the garage with a tee shirt on in below zero weather

My neighbor had a new Pellet stove installed and all he has is a pipe coming out of the wall with a cap that directs the smoke downward.... no chimney or anything ... being its a pellet stove there's hardly any fumes or smoke. the damn things are so efficient! I have a wood burner insert in my fireplace, smokes like a Hooker after sex when we first start it up but once its burning, it doesnt smoke at all. As long as he isn't painting or using a lot of gas or flammables around it, it should be ok. the free standing units like his throw a lot of heat... i like them better than my insert.
talking about flammable fumes, a house near me lost its garage last summer, they were re finishing some wooden deck chairs and had a bucketful of rags in the garage that were soaked with stain and stuff which combusted over night and took out the whole garage. Almost got to the house which was one from the late 1700s...

[Caminofeld]

Almost done! Just gotta seal up the wall and I'm ready to go! If it's still too cold, I'm gonna get a Magic Heat and see if it helps. Anybody have any experience with these?

Also the mounts for the rear heat shield were snapped off, so I made a hood scoop for the Blazer :)

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…I also cleaned out my home chimney for the first time since I moved in…scary how much crap accumulates in there. I'll clean it every season from now on. Chim-chim-cha-f***in-roo!

[tripledog]

Caminofeld, do you have a block chimney for that ^^^ stove? If so, make sure it has a liner. The through wall looks a bit sketchy as well. Not trying to scare you, but one of my friends had his house burn down (and I nearly lost mine as well) as a result of a poorly constructed and/or failing chimney. Replacing my failed block chimney with stainless triple wall was the best decision I have made in quite some time. With the amount of creosote in the middle pic, it is incredible that your garage is still standing. Not trying to preach to you or shame you, but I know firsthand how scary a chimney failure can be.

[sledcrazyinCT]

Magic heats are very nice for moving hot air! I know Northern Tool sells them, but you can go direct to manufacturer for little better prices, always in stock, and more flue diameter sizes to choose from.

[Caminofeld]

Thanks TD, the dirty pipe was actually from my dining room's stove. I had never cleaned it and the girl I bought the place from recently told me her husband never did either…so prob at least 10 yrs of build-up. After seeing this, I'm gonna do it every year religiously.

Yes, in the garage I do have a simple block chimney that I drilled a hole through. My plan is to use it as-is this year, then install a liner as a project next year. Thanks for the heads-up, didn't realize that could be an issue.