200x class at the NEETD TT Nationals 2017.

[Mickey Dunlap]

I don't know if I posted this on here yet but I just wanted all the 200x class racers that there will be a 4 stroke only 200x class for you this year, just need at least 10 of you to show up. Before you had to run in classes against 40hp motors compared to your 20 something hp 200xes. So for 2017 it will just be a open cc class because we want as many of you out there to come race against other 200xes, or 185 and 200s if you want. We would like to see it stay around the 218cc range because that's where a lot of old build are from Powroll , TC Racing and Sparks motors. So if you are doing a new build like I am then that is a good size to build. I'm going to have Ron Fields #63 my old Powroll team mate come back from OR. to race one of my 200xes. Should be a fun class, we have got a lot of guys ready to go so lets see some new guys out at the races this coming year.


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[atc300r]

Come on Mickey I would go straight for the 250 big bore kit.Do it the first time then go out and kick some tail.No replacement for displacement.:lol:

[Dirtcrasher]

I've made significant changes in my life.

I told a few people that I will be out there next year, not just watching.

It all rides on my left rotator cuff which was perfectly fine. Had no problem working out with it but somehow, it got torn.

That is my only foreseen obstacle...

[86T3]

Maybe you should wait for the rules to come out before you start telling everyone what the rules are to avoid unnecessary drama and misinformation. I know you're anxious to start selling parts but a little patience would be best here

[Mickey Dunlap]

Come on Mickey I would go straight for the 250 big bore kit.Do it the first time then go out and kick some tail.No replacement for displacement.:lol:

My 250 kits are low compression so I'll build a super light piston for the stock cylinder with 14:1 or so to run my new big cams for a full race motor. It will still have my stroker in it, just a smaller bore so you don't have to resleeve in to keep cost down.

[Mickey Dunlap]

Maybe you should wait for the rules to come out before you start telling everyone what the rules are to avoid unnecessary drama and misinformation. I know you're anxious to start selling parts but a little patience would be best here


I already went through all this on FB and there was too much feed back on what size motors to run, so for those that have Powroll 240's and such they can still run. I just want to get all the racers we can get to build the class, so no limits. The difference in HP between my 212cc Powroll motors and the 240's I ran there was only 3 hp, more torque but not any real big gains in peak HP. And as far as me selling any kits because of this, I won't hold my breath, very few people are going to build $1500 motors, most of the 200's that are coming are already built. 3 wheel guys just don't spend the money as my V-Twin Kawasaki guys do, I have 3 Kawasaki's in here between $4500 to $6200, that's my business. Even when I sell just a top end kit like my Brute Force 840cc kits it's still $2000 to $2800 just in parts. So for those that think I'm going to sell any kits for this you are wrong. I love 200x'es, they need their own class, simple as that.

[Mickey Dunlap]

I've made significant changes in my life.

I told a few people that I will be out there next year, not just watching.

It all rides on my left rotator cuff which was perfectly fine. Had no problem working out with it but somehow, it got torn.

That is my only foreseen obstacle...


I know the feeling, I want to race, but I have a long long ways to go before I get on the track. Been working out, bought a few new work out machiens, but the idea of going racing is the only thing that will keep me motivated to keep going, but the real reason is I just need to get healthy.

[86T3]

I already went through all this on FB and there was too much feed back on what size motors to run, so for those that have Powroll 240's and such they can still run. I just want to get all the racers we can get to build the class, so no limits. The difference in HP between my 212cc Powroll motors and the 240's I ran there was only 3 hp, more torque but not any real big gains in peak HP. And as far as me selling any kits because of this, I won't hold my breath, very few people are going to build $1500 motors, most of the 200's that are coming are already built. 3 wheel guys just don't spend the money as my V-Twin Kawasaki guys do, I have 3 Kawasaki's in here between $4500 to $6200, that's my business. Even when I sell just a top end kit like my Brute Force 840cc kits it's still $2000 to $2800 just in parts. So for those that think I'm going to sell any kits for this you are wrong. I love 200x'es, they need their own class, simple as that.

Save us all some time and just wait till the rules come out. I don't think it's going to be a 10 person minimum, so please stop saying goes what you think the rules will be. You're going to confuse everyone, including yourself like you did last time.

[Husky250]

Gonna show my ignorance and ask where these TT Nationals are at?

[86T3]

Gonna show my ignorance and ask where these TT Nationals are at?

There are races in Ohio, North Carolina, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and possibly one race in New York. The schedule should be released soon with dates and locations.
http://ne-edt.com/?redirect=false

[Mickey Dunlap]

Save us all some time and just wait till the rules come out. I don't think it's going to be a 10 person minimum, so please stop saying goes what you think the rules will be. You're going to confuse everyone, including yourself like you did last time.

I'm the one that brought it to the NEETD and they told me to give them the rules. Rule number 1, there are no rules other then it has to be a production ATC 200cc 4 stroke or smaller.

[86T3]

Mickey, I'm trying to be as nice as possible because it seems I'm going to be seeing you a lot next year. I don't think it's going to be a 10 person minimum, please stop telling people it will be a 10 person minimum. People are going to be pissed if you tell them one thing, then they drive hours to a race to find out you told them wrong. Wait until the rules are out to start advertising your motors

[Mickey Dunlap]

Mickey, I'm trying to be as nice as possible because it seems I'm going to be seeing you a lot next year. I don't think it's going to be a 10 person minimum, please stop telling people it will be a 10 person minimum. People are going to be pissed if you tell them one thing, then they drive hours to a race to find out you told them wrong. Wait until the rules are out to start advertising your motors

LOL Who is going to make the rules, the one that is saying 10 minimum is Tim and you if this is Joe, and he also said it's a open cc, or you are agreeing with what I have already told Shawn. If there isn't enough 200's they have to go into the lites class like last year, or Vintage B, so they can still race. I don't really care one way or the other, I am just speaking up for the 200 guys that want to race in their own class. And I'll put it this way, if I sell more then 2 kits other then the motors I'm already doing I'll give all the profits to the track promoter, so get off the thinking I'm doing this for personal gain.

[86T3]

This is Joe. Yes, our suggestion was 10 but I don't if that's how it's going to work. But to be fair to everyone, the correct rules should be the first rules they here. No, I'm not talking about motor rules. I would expect the new rules to come out soon, maybe after the banquet.

[Mickey Dunlap]

This is Joe. Yes, our suggestion was 10 but I don't if that's how it's going to work. But to be fair to everyone, the correct rules should be the first rules they here. No, I'm not talking about motor rules. I would expect the new rules to come out soon, maybe after the banquet.


Can you please read and re-write what you just wrote so it can be understood, I don't understand it. Not being funny, I just can't understand what you are saying?

[jays375]

So it's only $1500 to build a motor?I'll have more than that in mine.Without a big bore.TC said there is no reason for it.His motors make plenty of power.Tim said at one time if 10 riders showed up at Pine Lake with 200x's,could have a class.If time permitted to fit in that day.You posted this elsewhere on this forum without much response.Think it would be good to keep it in the racers section where it belongs!Or maybe the classfieds perhaps.

[86T3]

This is Joe. Yes, our suggestion was 10 but I don't know if that's how it's going to work. To be fair to everyone, you should give them the correct rules the first time. No, I'm not talking about motor rules, mainly the numbers needed for a class. I would expect the new rules to come out soon, maybe after the banquet.

[yaegerb]

So it's only $1500 to build a motor?I'll have more than that in mine.Without a big bore.TC said there is no reason for it.His motors make plenty of power.Tim said at one time if 10 riders showed up at Pine Lake with 200x's,could have a class.If time permitted to fit in that day.You posted this elsewhere on this forum without much response.Think it would be good to keep it in the racers section where it belongs!Or maybe the classfieds perhaps.

I had way more $$$ in mine and Jays, you saw how it did this year in Ed's hands. Tom's one helluva builder, good luck whatever direction you go and let me know if you have any more questions. Good to see such a push for racer x's again.

P.S. This is getting moved to the racer's lounge.

[jays375]

Oh it won't be $1500 for sure.Mine is finally getting started!

[atc300r]

At one of the final races at Paradise there was talk of NEEDT having a race there in 2017. We had over ten racers at the last 2 races in the 200 class. Rich Lilly runs a TC motor on his 200x and he flies around that track and hes no 100 pound soaking wet guy.He told me his trike is around 33-34 HP.I like Paradises rules I can race my 200r in the 200 class.

[Mickey Dunlap]

This is Joe. Yes, our suggestion was 10 but I don't know if that's how it's going to work. To be fair to everyone, you should give them the correct rules the first time. No, I'm not talking about motor rules, mainly the numbers needed for a class. I would expect the new rules to come out soon, maybe after the banquet.

Thank you!

[Mickey Dunlap]

I had way more $$$ in mine and Jays, you saw how it did this year in Ed's hands. Tom's one helluva builder, good luck whatever direction you go and let me know if you have any more questions. Good to see such a push for racer x's again.

P.S. This is getting moved to the racer's lounge.

IMO TC is the best full race engine builder right there with Sparks, I don't build full race motors for the most part, I learned a long time ago that the big numbers are in the customers that want to double their HP on pump gas, so low compression big bore stroker old school air cooled motors is what part of my business is, but the biggest part is my V-Twins.

I have a passion for the 200x class because I made a living on one, but I won't make a living off full race 200xes. Most guys are just going with a piston, cam carb and pipe that you can buy off the shelf.

[Mickey Dunlap]

At one of the final races at Paradise there was talk of NEEDT having a race there in 2017. We had over ten racers at the last 2 races in the 200 class. Rich Lilly runs a TC motor on his 200x and he flies around that track and hes no 100 pound soaking wet guy.He told me his trike is around 33-34 HP.I like Paradises rules I can race my 200r in the 200 class.


33-34hp would be at the crank, subtract 25-30% to the rear wheel. I'm told a Selves 200r is 40hp at the rear wheels, do you think running a 20 some hp 200x should run against a 40hp 350x or 200r, and maybe a bored and stroke 250cc motorcycle build? I don't, you will see better racing like you do at Paradise with all 200xes. Everyday this is what I hear from people all over the country, so I hope this class grows all over, not just the nationals.
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[atc300r]

I know for a fact that my 200r isn't 40 HP. Its not always the most HP that wins races. Put a beginner on a Selvy 200r and a seasoned racer on a nearly stock 200x and you would have a good race.You yourself have told of many times you beat team Honda members at the races on your 200x.

[Mickey Dunlap]

I know for a fact that my 200r isn't 40 HP. Its not always the most HP that wins races. Put a beginner on a Selvy 200r and a seasoned racer on a nearly stock 200x and you would have a good race.You yourself have told of many times you beat team Honda members at the races on your 200x.

Yes I did, but it was a sticky MX race and the 4 stroke worked better. We are talking big TT tracks at the nationals against the best racers there are. I could always do good on my 218 or 240cc 200x in the national 250 pro class, only the factory riders would beat me, but I knew I couldn't win. Now if you have a all 200x class and you don't have the 3-5 hp as the fastest guys you are you still have a good chance to win if you are a good rider with a good set up. It just makes for better racing.

The thing is TC Racing bought his kits from Powroll, my 212cc motors made 21-22 hp, TC said he was making 25hp with our kits, but his racers never beat me. The thing is we don't race dynos.

[atc300r]

I think there should be 2 200 classes 1 open and 1 super stock. The 200x owners with deep pockets are going to dominate the class. The guys with a stockish trike with flat track tires only on it aren't going to have a chance.

[Mickey Dunlap]

I think there should be 2 200 classes 1 open and 1 super stock. The 200x owners with deep pockets are going to dominate the class. The guys with a stockish trike with flat track tires only on it aren't going to have a chance.

I agree but this is the first year so we have to see the turn out. I think it will come down to a .040 over only class and then open in 2018. Baby steps.

[86T3]

Here's a poor disadvantaged 200x passing a 250f on a straight, chasing down 2 - 2 stroke 200s and passing the one that is supposedly 40hp. https://youtu.be/6wPyzueZYAs

Mickey started this class, without asking anyone who supports or races the series, so he could get away from Dwight Jekel and Jacob Hall, the top riders in the Lites class. There is no other explanation for it. If a little 218 can compete on the longest track in the series, surely your big 250 could. You're a spoiled child who didn't get your way so you went behind everyone's backs to start your own class. It's embarrassing that someone who has been to only 3 NEEDT races cried and whined till he got a new class.

ATC300R, 200xs can compete I need any 3 wheeler class at the NEEDT, at the large races like Pine lake there is a vintage A and VINTAGE B class also. But you're right, the guy with a stock ish 200x won't compete in this class, just like they wouldn't compete in the Lites class, but Mickey has a shot since he got a class without the 2 best riders. This is a dumb stunt by a spoiled engine builder. Your 200r can compete in vintage class, Lites, or open so you have plenty of choices for it. I hope to see you out if there is in fact a race at Paradise this year, i'll make sure I meet you this time.
Ps, keep your ears open for the new rules, there may be an addition to the Lites class that will appeal to you

[Mickey Dunlap]

Here's a poor disadvantaged 200x passing a 250f on a straight, chasing down 2 - 2 stroke 200s and passing the one that is supposedly 40hp. https://youtu.be/6wPyzueZYAs

Mickey started this class, without asking anyone who supports or races the series, so he could get away from Dwight Jekel and Jacob Hall, the top riders in the Lites class. There is no other explanation for it. If a little 218 can compete on the longest track in the series, surely your big 250 could. You're a spoiled child who didn't get your way so you went behind everyone's backs to start your own class. It's embarrassing that someone who has been to only 3 NEEDT races cried and whined till he got a new class.

ATC300R, 200xs can compete I need any 3 wheeler class at the NEEDT, at the large races like Pine lake there is a vintage A and VINTAGE B class also. But you're right, the guy with a stock ish 200x won't compete in this class, just like they wouldn't compete in the Lites class, but Mickey has a shot since he got a class without the 2 best riders. This is a dumb stunt by a spoiled engine builder. Your 200r can compete in vintage class, Lites, or open so you have plenty of choices for it. I hope to see you out if there is in fact a race at Paradise this year, i'll make sure I meet you this time.
Ps, keep your ears open for the new rules, there may be an addition to the Lites class that will appeal to you


LOL The lites class is great for me, the first time out proved we have a 350x with only 38 hp that hole shoted every race Bryan started in. If you want to trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro about me making money, that race sold two of those motor, $3000 builds each. If I ride one and the other guys show up we will have at least 4 of them in that class and by then I'll be over 40 hp, then you can cry about that. No I didn't bow down and kiss your ATC racer promoters golden ring because I had no idea I had to go through anyone to talk to Shawn, he's the guy that gave me the OK on the class. And I didn't have to talk to you or anyone else or Shawn would have said something, who are you or anyone else that thinks they are the only ones that can promote a class if they see a need. So far the only BS I get is from you and Tim, I don't care! Shawn gave the OK, it was a done deal, he said just get me some rules, I made it easy, there are no hassles with rules unless you and Tim get in there with something I don't know about. And if so we will go by that if that's what Shawn say, because he's the one making money at this. If someone has some good rules go for it. I brought it to as many people as I could, got over 20 people giving info on it and we all agreed to keep it simple with no cc limits the first year to get as many "new racers" out to race, and it's working. I sold Durablue 8 axles for 200xes in 3 hours, which I didn't make a penny on. I just wanted to get the racers a discount of over $200 off and to show my long time sponsor that there is a market in old school 3 wheelers. All that because I have a passion for the growth of the sport. Get over it!

[Mickey Dunlap]

It's clear that some people don't understand the Volumetric efficiency of a 200x 2 valve motor, my low compression 250cc kits make less peak HP then the smaller 218cc motors, they have more torque but not more HP then a high compression 218 with bigger cams. This is why I ordered in smaller high compression pistons today for the 200 Ron Fields is going to race for me. Will it be as fast as TC's motors, probably not, it will be up to the rider. I never had more HP then Sparks, but I still won 80 some percent of the races we race together in, that's why Honda signed me. If you don't under stand how to build a motor, and you judge me and my motive you lose!

[jays375]

TC doesn't use Powroll cranks is what he told me.Plus not a fan of big bores either.Said power can be made elsewhere and have durability.

[86T3]

You absolutely knew where to go to talk about a new class because you went there last year to talk about the Lites class. You're a liar. You kinda appologized once, but at the end you made a right turn and said you were right anyways. That's why people are so pissed at you, you are the one who doesn't get it. I don't give a trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro about volumetric efficiency, I saw a 200x take second at pine lake! Are you that dense that you deny that! On the longest track in the series where it should have the biggest disadvantage, not that you know much about it since you have gone to 3 races over the last 2 years. You don't friggin get it man. Don't let me stop you though, keep talking about your new class in ads for your motors, axles, and fenders.

[yaegerb]

Here's a poor disadvantaged 200x passing a 250f on a straight, chasing down 2 - 2 stroke 200s and passing the one that is supposedly 40hp. https://youtu.be/6wPyzueZYAs

Mickey started this class, without asking anyone who supports or races the series, so he could get away from Dwight Jekel and Jacob Hall, the top riders in the Lites class. There is no other explanation for it. If a little 218 can compete on the longest track in the series, surely your big 250 could. You're a spoiled child who didn't get your way so you went behind everyone's backs to start your own class. It's embarrassing that someone who has been to only 3 NEEDT races cried and whined till he got a new class.

ATC300R, 200xs can compete I need any 3 wheeler class at the NEEDT, at the large races like Pine lake there is a vintage A and VINTAGE B class also. But you're right, the guy with a stock ish 200x won't compete in this class, just like they wouldn't compete in the Lites class, but Mickey has a shot since he got a class without the 2 best riders. This is a dumb stunt by a spoiled engine builder. Your 200r can compete in vintage class, Lites, or open so you have plenty of choices for it. I hope to see you out if there is in fact a race at Paradise this year, i'll make sure I meet you this time.
Ps, keep your ears open for the new rules, there may be an addition to the Lites class that will appeal to you


Hmmm, that 200x looks familiar....

[Mickey Dunlap]

TC doesn't use Powroll cranks is what he told me.Plus not a fan of big bores either.Said power can be made elsewhere and have durability.


Yea I wouldn't think he would be using there cranks that was 30 years ago. Tom will build you a good motor.

I also found the problem with your old 350x pipe. It had this turbine in side. No way would I thought they would have done that to you.


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[atc300r]

Thanks Joe but Iv been collecting parts to build a liquid r. I will have 2 liquid rs for racing next year. Id rather spend 2 grand on a liquid R racer then spend $3500 and up for a modded out 200x. I hope the rules will be for 200 class not limited to 200xs only. There are a lot of decent 200 motors out there Blaster,KDX 200, to name a couple but if these guys build a blaster or kdx 200 conversion they will be forced to run against 250rs 350xs if someone gets his way. But aslong as the poor little super modded 200xs get there own class at least 1 guy will be happy.
Here's a poor disadvantaged 200x passing a 250f on a straight, chasing down 2 - 2 stroke 200s and passing the one that is supposedly 40hp. https://youtu.be/6wPyzueZYAs

Mickey started this class, without asking anyone who supports or races the series, so he could get away from Dwight Jekel and Jacob Hall, the top riders in the Lites class. There is no other explanation for it. If a little 218 can compete on the longest track in the series, surely your big 250 could. You're a spoiled child who didn't get your way so you went behind everyone's backs to start your own class. It's embarrassing that someone who has been to only 3 NEEDT races cried and whined till he got a new class.

ATC300R, 200xs can compete I need any 3 wheeler class at the NEEDT, at the large races like Pine lake there is a vintage A and VINTAGE B class also. But you're right, the guy with a stock ish 200x won't compete in this class, just like they wouldn't compete in the Lites class, but Mickey has a shot since he got a class without the 2 best riders. This is a dumb stunt by a spoiled engine builder. Your 200r can compete in vintage class, Lites, or open so you have plenty of choices for it. I hope to see you out if there is in fact a race at Paradise this year, i'll make sure I meet you this time.
Ps, keep your ears open for the new rules, there may be an addition to the Lites class that will appeal to you

[Mickey Dunlap]

You absolutely knew where to go to talk about a new class because you went there last year to talk about the Lites class. You're a liar. You kinda appologized once, but at the end you made a right turn and said you were right anyways. That's why people are so pissed at you, you are the one who doesn't get it. I don't give a trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro about volumetric efficiency, I saw a 200x take second at pine lake! Are you that dense that you deny that! On the longest track in the series where it should have the biggest disadvantage, not that you know much about it since you have gone to 3 races over the last 2 years. You don't friggin get it man. Don't let me stop you though, keep talking about your new class in ads for your motors, axles, and fenders.


I talked to Tim last year about his rules about engines, he didn't even know how to figure out cc math. He didn't know you could bore a 350x up to .080 when we talked about cc limits. The way he made rule was stupid, he wanted to keep the rules as to stock sleeves only and no strokers so the 200x running in bigger classes could only run a .040 over piston. Here's the thing, I was willing to work with him, but he refused to talk to me, wouldn't answer my messages when I reached out to him so it was point less after I had already OKed it with Shawn, so I don't care. I tried to work with him because he doesn't understand motors, so I thought we could work together so he could understand why we need to do the classes this way. So if someone doesn't want to work with you, just like you, I can't help you to understand. The bottom line is there will be a 200 4 stroke class next year, if you guys come up with some rules , great, I'll work with that. What I say isn't written in stone but Shawn hasn't said anything but OK to me. I don't see anything to add to it but that's why it would be a good thing to work together on it, but you guys don't want to talk with me, I can'y help you if you are going to act like little kids.

You have one race where the 200r crashed out and one good rider on a fast 200x you are basing everything on, that no way to figure out a class. You need to under stand engines, plus you need to look at the history, and what worked back in the day too. This sport is growing, the 200xes are just waiting for this class. It's going to happen.

[Mickey Dunlap]

Thanks Joe but Iv been collecting parts to build a liquid r. I will have 2 liquid rs for racing next year. Id rather spend 2 grand on a liquid R racer then spend $3500 and up for a modded out 200x. I hope the rules will be for 200 class not limited to 200xs only. There are a lot of decent 200 motors out there Blaster,KDX 200, to name a couple but if these guys build a blaster or kdx 200 conversion they will be forced to run against 250rs 350xs if someone gets his way. But aslong as the poor little super modded 200xs get there own class at least 1 guy will be happy.

They have the lites class just for all those builds you just talked about. You don't run against 250rs in that class, it's for 200r's.

[atc300r]

Do you think its going to be fair if a kid shows up at his first race with a modded tri-moto 175 and is told you have to race in the lites class.

[Mickey Dunlap]

Do you think its going to be fair if a kid shows up at his first race with a modded tri-moto 175 and is told you have to race in the lites class.


That's their rules, I don't think there is a majority of those trikes out there that they are going to fit in any where. Just look at the numbers sold , over 100,000 200xes a year in 83'-85', more then any other sport ATC. they should have there own class. The lites class has every different kind of ATC out there in it now, from 150cc mini, ATC 70's so why not a Tri-moto 175.

[Tri-Z 250]

Mickey when you come to the dinner table, it's not polite to call the person who set the table stupid.
Move in a more positive direction and don't take the bait cause you love to argue. For the most part the creation of any class means there's enough growth to do so. I see it from both sides and each has their own reasonings to agree with. The YT Stock 185 ballon tire class my yet see it's day again. To throw disparaging words that some newbie shouldn't even come race because the classes are unfair due to big pocketed builds isn't bring on the"NEW" as much as Welcome to racing gate up and have fun! Trophy chasers IMO don't smile anymore than I do after a race. If 80% of why we do what we is near identical we can keep the 20% polar differences to ourselves and work forward. The fact is its human nature to dislike change, just like the ease of nit picking negativity.

[atc300r]

This should read mickey dunlap only 200xs class at the needt tt nationals 2017. If you want to race 200 class with a 2 stroke .go to the lites class and suck it up sally boys . Unless you have 3-5 grand to buy one of my mickey dunlap 200xs this class isnt for you.
i don't know if i posted this on here yet but i just wanted all the 200x class racers that there will be a 4 stroke only 200x class for you this year, just need at least 10 of you to show up. Before you had to run in classes against 40hp motors compared to your 20 something hp 200xes. So for 2017 it will just be a open cc class because we want as many of you out there to come race against other 200xes, or 185 and 200s if you want. We would like to see it stay around the 218cc range because that's where a lot of old build are from powroll , tc racing and sparks motors. So if you are doing a new build like i am then that is a good size to build. I'm going to have ron fields #63 my old powroll team mate come back from or. To race one of my 200xes. Should be a fun class, we have got a lot of guys ready to go so lets see some new guys out at the races this coming year.


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[Mickey Dunlap]

Mickey when you come to the dinner table, it's not polite to call the person who set the table stupid.
Move in a more positive direction and don't take the bait cause you love to argue. For the most part the creation of any class means there's enough growth to do so. I see it from both sides and each has their own reasonings to agree with. The YT Stock 185 ballon tire class my yet see it's day again. To throw disparaging words that some newbie shouldn't even come race because the classes are unfair due to big pocketed builds isn't bring on the"NEW" as much as Welcome to racing gate up and have fun! Trophy chasers IMO don't smile anymore than I do after a race. If 80% of why we do what we is near identical we can keep the 20% polar differences to ourselves and work forward. The fact is its human nature to dislike change, just like the ease of nit picking negativity.

I agree when it comes to the way I talk I'm a tell it the way it is type of guy, like it or not I am what I am. The positive thing about it is you know what I mean and I mean what I say. I sit here and have to hear what people say is my motive, they can't see my passion they think they can read my mind and try to tell me what my motives are, so I tell them the truth, and they can't get that through their heads. So I'll be blunt and tell them over and over. You only get at best 30 percent of the whole story when someone tells their opinions on what I'm doing, so I call stuff stupid, I don't have another word for it, so I call it as it looks to me. I try to be as upfront and honest, but some just can't handle the truth. It is what it is. Bottom line is we will all just sit back and see how it goes next year.

[jays375]

Honestly don't care.Moved on.The issue was the size of the pipe.My motor is mildly built.That pipe is much better suited for a all out fully moded motor.I had the spark arrestor installed so I could ride it on state atv trails.At the time it was my only trike.

[jays375]

Besides,you only brought that up to create more trouble.It has no bearing on the current topic.

[Mickey Dunlap]

This should read mickey dunlap only 200xs class at the needt tt nationals 2017. If you want to race 200 class with a 2 stroke .go to the lites class and suck it up sally boys . Unless you have 3-5 grand to buy one of my mickey dunlap 200xs this class isnt for you.

It is point less to have a 200 class with 2 strokes and 4 strokes, it didn't work before 30 years ago, so Honda spent $30,000 per 200r so they could win. They had 200xes, that wouldn't run with Team Green and all the other 200 2 stroke de-bored engines. It comes down to a overwelming amount of 4 stroke 200xes that are already to go wanting a class where they can race on something they can run against. It's all about the numbers. It's not about Mickey, get that out of your mind. I just happen to be a person that know there is a market for this class and it's up to the promoter if he was to take advantage of that.

[86T3]

I talked to Tim last year about his rules about engines, he didn't even know how to figure out cc math. He didn't know you could bore a 350x up to .080 when we talked about cc limits. The way he made rule was stupid, he wanted to keep the rules as to stock sleeves only and no strokers so the 200x running in bigger classes could only run a .040 over piston. Here's the thing, I was willing to work with him, but he refused to talk to me, wouldn't answer my messages when I reached out to him so it was point less after I had already OKed it with Shawn, so I don't care. I tried to work with him because he doesn't understand motors, so I thought we could work together so he could understand why we need to do the classes this way. So if someone doesn't want to work with you, just like you, I can't help you to understand. The bottom line is there will be a 200 4 stroke class next year, if you guys come up with some rules , great, I'll work with that. What I say isn't written in stone but Shawn hasn't said anything but OK to me. I don't see anything to add to it but that's why it would be a good thing to work together on it, but you guys don't want to talk with me, I can'y help you if you are going to act like little kids.

You have one race where the 200r crashed out and one good rider on a fast 200x you are basing everything on, that no way to figure out a class. You need to under stand engines, plus you need to look at the history, and what worked back in the day too. This sport is growing, the 200xes are just waiting for this class. It's going to happen.

Those are lies too Mickey and you know it. Tim said to keep the 350x limit at .040 overbore, since that was the biggest piston made. You wanted it at .080 so you could have custom pistons made. And you know what happened? He let you! Cause he's a decent person who can work with others. You said there were no strokers allowed for the 200xs, but that simply wasn't true. You didn't even know the rules for the class, that's a fact. You said I did the know the rules, but i was right and you were wrong. I can post the screenshot if you want. And yes, I'm sorry but one race is enough to say 200xs can compete, especially if it's the longest track in the series. Matt's a good rider, sure, but there are many good riders. And he was in FRONT of Dwight when he crashed. Matt even got next to Jacob a couple times if you watch the whole video. Why can't you just admit you createdon't the class to get away from Dwight and Jacob? Not their trikes, the riders?

But back to what I've been trying to say, waithe till the rules come out to start telling people what you think are the rules. The engine rules will mirror the Lites class (no restrictions), but I think the minimum number for a class will be different. We worked with you, even though you went behind our backs, I don't see why you cant extend a little courtesy to me.

[Mickey Dunlap]

Honestly don't care.Moved on.The issue was the size of the pipe.My motor is mildly built.That pipe is much better suited for a all out fully moded motor.I had the spark arrestor installed so I could ride it on state atv trails.At the time it was my only trike.

Do you know that the head pipes are the same as the DG pipe? So sorry but it wasn't as I thought, I'm letting you know what I found as I got the pipe in my hands. You should be thanking me for selling it for you but that would be beyond you to dare say something nice. Just tried to help you understand.

[jays375]

Don't care,not a nice guy.Ask people.You burned that bridge a long time ago.Like you have with so many others.Time to delete this whole mess.One that you created.

[Mickey Dunlap]

Those are lies too Mickey and you know it. Tim said to keep the 350x limit at .040 overbore, since that was the biggest piston made. You wanted it at .080 so you could have custom pistons made. And you know what happened? He let you! Cause he's a decent person who can work with others. You said there were no strokers allowed for the 200xs, but that simply wasn't true. You didn't even know the rules for the class, that's a fact. You said I did the know the rules, but i was right and you were wrong. I can post the screenshot if you want. And yes, I'm sorry but one race is enough to say 200xs can compete, especially if it's the longest track in the series. Matt's a good rider, sure, but there are many good riders. And he was in FRONT of Dwight when he crashed. Matt even got next to Jacob a couple times if you watch the whole video. Why can't you just admit you createdon't the class to get away from Dwight and Jacob? Not their trikes, the riders?

But back to what I've been trying to say, waithe till the rules come out to start telling people what you think are the rules. The engine rules will mirror the Lites class (no restrictions), but I think the minimum number for a class will be different. We worked with you, even though you went behind our backs, I don't see why you cant extend a little courtesy to me.

There you go again with telling me I'm lying, Tim DIDN'T KNOW THAT A 350X COULD BE BORED .080 OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He doesn't know the motors, that's why he said yes, .080 over was OK! He just looked in a Wiseco book to make his rules. Never did he tell me stokers were OK with 200xes, in fact he said .040 stock sleeves were the rules. Then I guess he changed that for the lites class. The proof of that is I told Regina Ditch shouldn't have raced the lites class with his 250cc 200x, I didn't know they changed it. So you can stop thinking you know what I did or didn't know. I told Ditch he shouldn't have rode that class also, ask both of them.

As far as trying to get away from Dwight and Jacob, that's a big joke, we will win against both of them this year, I'm looking forwards to it. Ask Dwight if he thinks we can't beat him on our 350x, he knows we were right there the first time Ditch ever rode the bike. I have more HP I'm getting out of the and at least one if not 2 better riders coming into that class too. we are going to smoke that class! So your BS doesn't hold water in any way shape or form!

[Mickey Dunlap]

Don't care,not a nice guy.Ask people.You burned that bridge a long time ago.Like you have with so many others.Time to delete this whole mess.One that you created.

There will always be people like you, you try to help them understand something and they just don't
get it. What a shame!

[jays375]

Now if that isn't the pot calling kettle black.Besides you had no pipe to go with your big bore 350x kit.Or a simple DG would have worked for you.

[Mickey Dunlap]

Now if that isn't the pot calling kettle black.Besides you had no pipe to go with your big bore 350x kit.Or a simple DG would have worked for you.


I just got a DG in here last week from a customer getting he Ditch Lites class kit and that's the first time I had one in my hands.

[86T3]

3 Wheeler Lites 200/350 - (Age 14+) Modified . CC and Engine Limitations: Engine
CC Maximum allowed: 200cc maximum two stroke engines, liquid cooled 4 stroke
motors up to 300cc maximum (Example: crf250) and air cooled 4 stroke motors up to
350cc maximum 4 stroke (example 350x) .

These are the rules from the NEEDT website, exactly the way they were when they were posted almost a year ago. You thought strokers weren't allowed and that what you told people, but they were. This is the exact reason I'm asking you to stop advertising what you think are the rules for this new class. I'm willing to work with you, you are showing everyone your character by continuing to argue about it. Please wait till the rules come out before you tell people what the rules are. That's all I'm asking

[Mickey Dunlap]

3 Wheeler Lites 200/350 - (Age 14+) Modified . CC and Engine Limitations: Engine
CC Maximum allowed: 200cc maximum two stroke engines, liquid cooled 4 stroke
motors up to 300cc maximum (Example: crf250) and air cooled 4 stroke motors up to
350cc maximum 4 stroke (example 350x) .

These are the rules from the NEEDT website, exactly the way they were when they were posted almost a year ago. You thought strokers weren't allowed and that what you told people, but they were. This is the exact reason I'm asking you to stop advertising what you think are the rules for this new class. I'm willing to work with you, you are showing everyone your character by continuing to argue about it. Please wait till the rules come out before you tell people what the rules are. That's all I'm asking

I never even went to their web site, I went by what Tim was telling me BEFORE there was a Lites class, get it. I was bitching at him because the rules were no strokers for classes the 200x could run in! Like the vintage class, what are the rules for that, does anyone even know? He said only bores that could fit in the stock sleeves as he seen in the Wiseco book. That's when we got into it over the 350x being able to run a .080 over like White Brothers and Powroll had in the day. Those rules don't say anything about the .080 over rule so they are not complete either, or maybe you have to run stock bores on your 30 year old machine? So what is anyone supposed to know about anything with rules like that.

[Mickey Dunlap]

I just went to their web site, I don't even see where the rules are, please send me a link

[jays375]

Mickey you know the rules.Just went through this whole mess on facebook.Time to put it to rest.You really think this is good publicty?

[Mickey Dunlap]

Mickey you know the rules.Just went through this whole mess on facebook.Time to put it to rest.You really think this is good publicty?

You know I going to start in on you. For almost 2 years you have been mad at me for telling you to buy that pipe, you have held this grudge with me over this and have followed me around being a real dick to me. Now I find out you had a spark arrester put in it, and that was the problem the whole time. I held off using the stupid word but that's what you are. I can't fix stupid. You are not even man enough to say you are sorry when all I did to you was try to help you, you are beyond pathetic!

The only rules I knew back before the lites class is what Tim told me so shut up and stay away from me because I'm going to let everyone know how stupid you are for blaming me for what you had done to this pipe!

[86T3]

Here's the rules for the NEEDT, just click on the link for the rules. It's a pdf.

http://ne-edt.com/rules.html

Here's the link to the rules discussion last year, 4th post from the bottom. It says clear as day, no limitations other than displacement, 200cc 2 stroke 350cc 4 stroke. No where does it say no strokers. You caused your own problem, don't blame Tim.

http://otc.myfastforum.org/ftopic1362-40.php

[jays375]

You honestly think that is the issue?Wow!Way off on that one bud.Plus never once did I call you names.You think of yourself as a superior being to everyone.Hate to tell you but there is a lot of guys who know way more than you do.Average guys who have a real passion for this sport that it is today.Guys who put in40 hrs a week at a job.Your still stuck in the old days.So isn't your engine builds.

[jays375]

Also it is NEEDT.Wouldn't want people confused on that one

[Mickey Dunlap]

Here's the rules for the NEEDT, just click on the link for the rules. It's a pdf.

http://ne-edt.com/rules.html

Here's the link to the rules discussion last year, 4th post from the bottom. It says clear as day, no limitations other than displacement, 200cc 2 stroke 350cc 4 stroke. No where does it say no strokers. You caused your own problem, don't blame Tim.

http://otc.myfastforum.org/ftopic1362-40.php

Thanks I found it. I had clicked on everything but the top part.

This is what Tim and I were talking about.

3 Wheelers Vintage A ( Age 14+) Trophy (NON Points- exhibition class) Must have 5 or more riders to run this class separately or can be combined with 3 Wheeler Open Class. Vintage A - Vintage means, "of the era", no modern motors or conversions, as well as upper displacement limitations on any machine to stock 250/350X cylinders with over bores. All machines should maintain the spirit of the class!

That's why I thought there were no strokers. But now answer me this, do I read into this that the 350x can be bored up to .080 over in this class but you can't bore a 350x at all in the lites class?

[86T3]

No, you're over thinking it. Over bore is ok in each class. I'll ask Shawn to add that to the rules if you want.

[Mickey Dunlap]

No, you're over thinking it. Over bore is ok in each class. I'll ask Shawn to add that to the rules if you want.

I just want the rules to be clear because they were not clear from what Tim told me. It says max cc 350cc. That can only be read as no over bores. Yes I want things to be very clear, I have never cheated and never will to win a race. But truthfully now, can you see where all this is messed up from what Tim said to what is posted. Now even you say I'm reading too much into this, you guys don't have well written rules. It was stupid the way I was being told no strokers before there was a lights class so all I had to go on was what Tim said to me and what the Vintage class rules said, of course I'm going to think you can only have a .040 over piston in a 200x to go up against 250cc two strokes and 350xes with .080 over. This is my whole point, where does a 200x fit into all this? It doesn't, and even with a super good built 200x and a good rider you see what HP does going down the straights, he was being pulled by 10 bikes or more. They just can't have a good class to run in, they need a class of there own and to keep it simple, no rules. Just run what ever 4 stroke 185/200 you want. It's so simple I don't understand what all this crap has been, other then I went to Shawn and everyone that thinks I had to do it their way got butt hurt, well grow up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jays375]

What ever gray area you want known it should be out there by now.You have brought it up numerous times.Things were explained everytime.The rules were made to keep things simple.Due to the fact originally only one class was was for points.So that is why it was made ooen.That way there no issues.Guess you are going for some fame next year.Don't want to be accused of cheating.That would be my guess.If you haven't realized already,attendance at races is tough for most.It's not like back in the day.

[86T3]

No Mickey, I can't see how a cc limit could possibly make you think strokers weren't allowed. In fact, I read the whole otc thread and no where in it does Tim ever say anything about no strokers in the Lites class. But, I did find something you said.

"As I told a few people last night I didn't want to be the one to go to Tim because I didn't want someone saying I got the rules change for me. I will build motors to follow what ever rules are made."

That's the first 2 sentences from your first post in that thread. It's kinda funny how you knew Tim was the one to go to last year to talk about rules for a new class but this year you didn't know. It's also funny how you didn't want to make it look like you changed the rules for your benefit, but that's exactly what you did. You didn't get your way last year so you went behind Tim's back this year and started your own class. That's chickenshit. Thats what a spoiled child does, youre the one who should grow up. And yes, I am "butthurt" about it. You don't know anything about trike racing now, if you did you'd know that skill level is the biggest advantage right now, not what you're riding. I won't go and say a 200x can compete for 1st place in open, but they are very competitive in Lites. You say Matt lost 10 bike lengths on the long straight, but you ignore the lap after that where he passed that 250f on the straight. Why can't 200xs compete in vintage a or b? Ditch won vintage B a couple years ago on a 200x. That wasn't good enough for you?
You showed up to 3 races in the last 2 years and act like you know what's going on, that's why I'm "butthurt". You even bugged the people building the latrobe track and gave us a bad name about that. You have no clue what's going on but insist on butting in. You can't even spell the name of the series right. Maybe if you got off your high horse you'd see what an ass youre being

[Mickey Dunlap]

No Mickey, I can't see how a cc limit could possibly make you think strokers weren't allowed. In fact, I read the whole otc thread and no where in it does Tim ever say anything about no strokers in the Lites class. But, I did find something you said.

"As I told a few people last night I didn't want to be the one to go to Tim because I didn't want someone saying I got the rules change for me. I will build motors to follow what ever rules are made."

That's the first 2 sentences from your first post in that thread. It's kinda funny how you knew Tim was the one to go to last year to talk about rules for a new class but this year you didn't know. It's also funny how you didn't want to make it look like you changed the rules for your benefit, but that's exactly what you did. You didn't get your way last year so you went behind Tim's back this year and started your own class. That's chickenshit. Thats what a spoiled child does, youre the one who should grow up. And yes, I am "butthurt" about it. You don't know anything about trike racing now, if you did you'd know that skill level is the biggest advantage right now, not what you're riding. I won't go and say a 200x can compete for 1st place in open, but they are very competitive in Lites. You say Matt lost 10 bike lengths on the long straight, but you ignore the lap after that where he passed that 250f on the straight. Why can't 200xs compete in vintage a or b? Ditch won vintage B a couple years ago on a 200x. That wasn't good enough for you?
You showed up to 3 races in the last 2 years and act like you know what's going on, that's why I'm "butthurt". You even bugged the people building the latrobe track and gave us a bad name about that. You have no clue what's going on but insist on butting in. You can't even spell the name of the series right. Maybe if you got off your high horse you'd see what an ass youre being

It's easy to sit back and say what "you think" I was talking about. This was "before" the lites class was in place, I pulled back and let it go, and then built around Tim's rules as I understood them. No matter what the rules are or become I will follow them. But me going to Shawn was because it wasn't about rules, I didn't go to change any rules, did I? I went to him with a growth plane to bring a class that is needed. Now that yet to be seen, I made no rule changes, I asked if there was enough 200x's at the races could we have a fair class that would bring closer racing, not for just one or two riders. Look at the things that were said last year when this was a 2 stroke 200 class vs. a 200 4 stroke class. We were told there were not enough of both to make a class. Fact is there were enough 200xes for a class of there own, between 8-10 according to you. So then we were told there was going to be this big turn out of the hundreds of Selves 200r come back to racing, and not one, did you hear that, not one of those hundreds showed up! So because of all that you have this class that killed any kind of a real chance for those 8-10 200 to have a reason to come and race. So let get over this and come together and see if I was correct last year and the year before. We already know the lites class is going to grow, mainly because I'm building 350xes. So when am I going to hear you crying about me making money in that class. If I was thinking in any way shape or form that I was going to make money on this 200 4 stroke class I would be boosting about it, but the only one I can say that is going to make money at it is Shawn. Go tell him he is only doing this for money. lol

[86T3]

This isn't 1984 with factory sponsored riders, 99% of the riders that show up knowing they have no chance of winning. But you don't come to these races so you donto know that. And the Hall's built a 200 2 stroke specifically for this class last year, so that's one right there. A couple 250f trikes came out also that weren't around the year prior. The Lites class will be killed by your dreamer class if it isn't protected, not that you care about anyone other than yourself. I'm done, I said what I wanted to say and showed how selfish you are. Besides, the only thing you prove by arguing with an idiot is that there are 2. Quit posting about this class till the rules are posted

[ctk]

Is their not enough interest for a 200x class only? Mainly stock, pipe and maybe the xr200 cam and carb combo and aftermarket tires and rear axle? I realize that these are old motors and have been rebuild so they are bored over but I'm still thinking no big bored or higher compression. Just thinking/wondering out load.

[jays375]

Sorry Chris there isn't a easy way to regulate it.Plus it isn't a points class.So it will be open.No holds barred.

[Mickey Dunlap]

This isn't 1984 with factory sponsored riders, 99% of the riders that show up knowing they have no chance of winning. But you don't come to these races so you donto know that. And the Hall's built a 200 2 stroke specifically for this class last year, so that's one right there. A couple 250f trikes came out also that weren't around the year prior. The Lites class will be killed by your dreamer class if it isn't protected, not that you care about anyone other than yourself. I'm done, I said what I wanted to say and showed how selfish you are. Besides, the only thing you prove by arguing with an idiot is that there are 2. Quit posting about this class till the rules are posted


You see it as selfish, you keep throwing things out there to see if they will stick but they don't because you are totally wrong, and I can say that 100% because only me and God and those with common sense know my heart. The thing you keep going back to is this isn't 30 years ago, but I say we learn from our past, and I was there right at the top of thing racing and living it with my father in-law the biggest 3 wheeler promoter ever! He made the rules back then and they worked, and as this sport grows it will work again, I think you want this to fail, you can't stand a out sider coming in with a good idea, but at the same time you never know until you at least try. Then leave it up to the people, haven't we learned that here in the past week? You may just have underestimated me, I went to Kawasaki and got them back into racing as a factory, the first factory to come back to racing since the ban of 3 wheelers. Then they paid me to be the race team manager. I have also put together the most professional / biggest race team in GNCC history, bring the Nasscar image to the sport back by 25 different high dollar sponsors that ran 8 page adds in Dirt Wheels at $20,000 a month advertising. So while you were out still riding out in the fields on your ATC I was out growing the ATV sport. Bad mouth me all you want but you can't argue with my history and what I have done. I think my past stands on it's own, but maybe you just don't really know me, so lets just see how it all plays out.

[Mickey Dunlap]

Is their not enough interest for a 200x class only? Mainly stock, pipe and maybe the xr200 cam and carb combo and aftermarket tires and rear axle? I realize that these are old motors and have been rebuild so they are bored over but I'm still thinking no big bored or higher compression. Just thinking/wondering out load.


It might not grow to that point for a few years, unless enough guys like you show up over the next few years, but I can see a 200 4 stroke pro class and a amateur 200 4 stroke class , more of a rider ability classes. Just show up and lets see.

[jays375]

Just keep showing up and getting your butt kicked.Now that is great advice.As far as 200x being the next big thing,doubt it.Granted it may be fun,only going so far.Time would be better spent promoting the sport.Keeping it going.Getting more places to race.Not just re live the past.That would be a much better thing to do.Not creating fame for ones self.This whole 200x class thing was done all wrong.Current racers should have been contacted.Ask their opinon on it.See just how many serious racers you could get to commit.Then if feasable,approach the series promoter.Let's hope not happens too the current racing.That would be a terrible thing.

[jays375]

Racing Pine Lake in 200x only class would be fun.Not going to deny it.A few of us have already said that.I'm currently building a 200x to run at Paradise.I probally will run the already established classes at Pine Lake.So rider count is kept up.I love to race,love to build.Going to the races is a blast for me.Drama is killing the sport.So promoting anything casuing drama is not for me.

[Tri-Z 250]

Wow interesting read, lots of advise taken as to positive direction to promote and move passed the nonsense, truly bad form on everyone.

Mickey has got a long road to gate a field of matched machines. I'd start with gaining interest, letting racers know that there is a New class just in time for next year. Clearly state the rules and proramitors of exactly what it is your tying to promote. I also would show a bit of graditude for the people willing to give you a chance at a requested special class. Graciously show the ease of their generosity and open door to opportunity this brings for guys looking for a match 200X class. I might go as far as to enter the only two indoors as get em out there to run openly amungst the crowd.

You have soooo many haters willing to track you down all over social media because you just can't help but take the bait. You derail the entire train by doing so and leads people away from the 80% I mentioned. This is a real TRAILPRO show of egos and not the attitude or demeanor that brought 3Wheelers back to the track. In fact you mix this with some drugs and booze at the track, welcome to the late 80's
It's tuff to read this and think this is what racing is at a National level. The people at the track and the atmosphere around it must SUCK! Why would I want to go to a National event as a Father and Son other than to experance this kinda of nonsense. I can't tell you what a better LOCAL scene we are so blessed with thanks to Sr.

So what if Mickey wants to do this Embrace it or don't run the class. There is no skin off the backs of anyone, other than the ones giving Mickey the room. Jay your nit picking roundabout constant hearsay who really cares but you and FB world of hate carring on is tiresome to say the least. I'm no smarter now than my last post. I'm still not sure why you care so much your reasoning is clouded. I can't tell from all the readeric but it doesn't sound like your running this class. So move on we got it, thank you for this. The 3WW just got better because of your diligent efforts to call Mickey out for wanting his very own class, you opened the curtain on ole' Oz-Dunlop. Not for just stating facts but adding all that color an venom. It really helps us all understand you two just a bit more. You guys clearly got it off your chests on this one.

I realize my post is an off topic observation. Listen can we please take this as a teachable moment. Can we possibly move toward a positive forward on this. Next time gentleman set pride aside, leave your baggage at the door, work toward the 80%. To be frank Shut up and Gate up if you can't go forward toward the 80%

[fabiodriven]

You are mistaken. The only person here with an ego problem is Mickey as usual. For some reason, every time, someone has to turn these Mickey battles into "everyone being at fault". Enough is enough. The man is a menace and creates these issues wherever he goes. Joe very clearly presented his side as he has from the beginning of this debacle and there are other people in this thread backing him up. I'm sick of everyone letting Mickey slide because he is Mickey and not because whatever he's doing is right.

Mickey has waltzed into a well-established series that many people other than himself have poured their blood, sweat, and tears into building from the ground up. Many of these people have so much more vested in this than merely just money, and Mickey thinks he's just going to walk in and say what's what? Not a chance.

No, I'm not a racer and haven't been, so your next step might be to tell me to mind my business. I'll tell you where I fit in to this.

After Trikefest this year we had some fierce fighting here on the boards. People have no problems blaming me and blaming the site, but very few people want to speak out about the true cause which is two fold. The first problem is Mickey Dunlap. The second problem shows up to the races in its own trailer. No, not a bike. His ego. The parallel here is Mickey came to ONE TRIKEFEST. He wasn't there very long and did not experience very many of the true grit events or places that define that event. Six years I've been to Trikefest with many other members having gone much more than myself, but we're not trying to change anything. We know what it is, how it ticks, and what makes it beautiful. Just as easily we can see what threatens it. Mickey is blind to these things, he's been once and not for very long, and he has no clue what makes it tick, yet after Trikefest he had so many ideas of how it should be run. It's not his event or place to even try and insert himself, just the same as this isn't! His ideas for Trikefest will actually BE DETRIMENTAL to the event, yet he insists. I'm sure this coming year he's going to do what he wants because even though nobody asked him and nobody wants him to, Mickey seems to think he knows what is best for all of us.

For the love of Christ, if you people still have not awoken to the detriment this man is amongst our community, please open your eyes soon before he does any more damage!!!

The problem is not "everyone here", the problem is not 3WW, the common denominator over and over in these situations is one thing- MICKEY DUNLAP!!!

I have taken my lumps over and over again for the sake of us all battling this guy and I refused to give up. I had no support, it was just me, but I know the difference between right and wrong and backing down is not an option in that instance for me. He has dragged my name through the mud continuously, yet everyone wants me to stop. I will never, nor will Joe, nor will Jays. You people need to open your eyes and realize that this man is a petulant child trapped in a fat old man's body who cries like the spoiled brat he is every time he doesn't get his way. Probably been doing it his entire life. There is no room for that at Trikefest and I'm sure these racers are not looking to take that on either. It's high time you people set aside your slack for this guy, which seems to be endless for some reason. He doesn't get any more slack, he doesn't deserve it, and he can cry and call on Jesus Christ all he wants because we're not his parents and we're not going to give in to the crying. (Cue the prayers by the way)

So no, these people are not a disgrace and the site isn't to blame. There's only one wrong person here and that is Mickey Dunlap. If it were anyone else who'd have tried this stunt it would have been squashed immediately, however Mickey has used his slack yet again, not for the best interest of all racers involved, but just to please himself. These racers were perfectly happy before someone came along and decided what they should do for them. It's not going to work that way and I applaud Joe as well as the other racers standing up to this child. It needs to be recognized once and for all who this child is and the messes he leaves in his wake everywhere he goes. He's not "taking the bait", these boys aren't baiting him. He's tying his own noose, he's flat out starting trouble! He started a class nobody wanted and he also started this thread. And you're faulting others for standing up for themselves?

Joe and your fellow racers, I applaud your efforts and stand by you. Together we can finally open some eyes to who this child is and why what he says should not be taken for gospel.

[Mickey Dunlap]

You are mistaken. The only person here with an ego problem is Mickey as usual. For some reason, every time, someone has to turn these Mickey battles into "everyone being at fault". Enough is enough. The man is a menace and creates these issues wherever he goes. Joe very clearly presented his side as he has from the beginning of this debacle and there are other people in this thread backing him up. I'm sick of everyone letting Mickey slide because he is Mickey and not because whatever he's doing is right.

Mickey has waltzed into a well-established series that many people other than himself have poured their blood, sweat, and tears into building from the ground up. Many of these people have so much more vested in this than merely just money, and Mickey thinks he's just going to walk in and say what's what? Not a chance.

No, I'm not a racer and haven't been, so your next step might be to tell me to mind my business. I'll tell you where I fit in to this.

After Trikefest this year we had some fierce fighting here on the boards. People have no problems blaming me and blaming the site, but very few people want to speak out about the true cause which is two fold. The first problem is Mickey Dunlap. The second problem shows up to the races in its own trailer. No, not a bike. His ego. The parallel here is Mickey came to ONE TRIKEFEST. He wasn't there very long and did not experience very many of the true grit events or places that define that event. Six years I've been to Trikefest with many other members having gone much more than myself, but we're not trying to change anything. We know what it is, how it ticks, and what makes it beautiful. Just as easily we can see what threatens it. Mickey is blind to these things, he's been once and not for very long, and he has no clue what makes it tick, yet after Trikefest he had so many ideas of how it should be run. It's not his event or place to even try and insert himself, just the same as this isn't! His ideas for Trikefest will actually BE DETRIMENTAL to the event, yet he insists. I'm sure this coming year he's going to do what he wants because even though nobody asked him and nobody wants him to, Mickey seems to think he knows what is best for all of us.

For the love of Christ, if you people still have not awoken to the detriment this man is amongst our community, please open your eyes soon before he does any more damage!!!

The problem is not "everyone here", the problem is not 3WW, the common denominator over and over in these situations is one thing- MICKEY DUNLAP!!!

I have taken my lumps over and over again for the sake of us all battling this guy and I refused to give up. I had no support, it was just me, but I know the difference between right and wrong and backing down is not an option in that instance for me. He has dragged my name through the mud continuously, yet everyone wants me to stop. I will never, nor will Joe, nor will Jays. You people need to open your eyes and realize that this man is a petulant child trapped in a fat old man's body who cries like the spoiled brat he is every time he doesn't get his way. Probably been doing it his entire life. There is no room for that at Trikefest and I'm sure these racers are not looking to take that on either. It's high time you people set aside your slack for this guy, which seems to be endless for some reason. He doesn't get any more slack, he doesn't deserve it, and he can cry and call on Jesus Christ all he wants because we're not his parents and we're not going to give in to the crying. (Cue the prayers by the way)

So no, these people are not a disgrace and the site isn't to blame. There's only one wrong person here and that is Mickey Dunlap. If it were anyone else who'd have tried this stunt it would have been squashed immediately, however Mickey has used his slack yet again, not for the best interest of all racers involved, but just to please himself. These racers were perfectly happy before someone came along and decided what they should do for them. It's not going to work that way and I applaud Joe as well as the other racers standing up to this child. It needs to be recognized once and for all who this child is and the messes he leaves in his wake everywhere he goes. He's not "taking the bait", these boys aren't baiting him. He's tying his own noose, he's flat out starting trouble! He started a class nobody wanted and he also started this thread. And you're faulting others for standing up for themselves?

Joe and your fellow racers, I applaud your efforts and stand by you. Together we can finally open some eyes to who this child is and why what he says should not be taken for gospel.


LOL you crack me up!

[jays375]

Well spoken Fabio.

[atc300r]

Like we have been saying this isn't 30 years ago your haydays are over. I think its great that you want to get back on a trike with the old band hope it happens for you . The thing is you say you want the sport to grow but in your favor. I don't know a lot 14 yearolds with 3-5 grand to plop down on a full race 200x. Also 2 and 4 stroke can co exist look at the open class mixture of 450 4 strokes and big and small bore 2 strokes. I dont believe a 200 blaster or tri moto 175 is going to hit the 40 hp point. Sounds to me like you want full control of the 200 class so you have say in who can race in it .Also I don't care how many models of trikes that were sold 30 years ago that has nothing to do with today. Over the past 30 years 200 cc engines have came out of the woodwork. I think the class should be closer to stock than full blow modified put those in the lites class . You need to go to some more races and walk threw the pit area and talk to the young guys . I loned my carb off my 200x to a new racer at the second to last race at Paradise so he could make the main .It was his first race and he lost his airscrew I was racing my 200r so I loned him my carb.He came back to race the final race. Its funny when your name gets mentioned at the races most guys don't know you or are alittle irritated by mention of Mickey One Lap.
It is point less to have a 200 class with 2 strokes and 4 strokes, it didn't work before 30 years ago, so Honda spent $30,000 per 200r so they could win. They had 200xes, that wouldn't run with Team Green and all the other 200 2 stroke de-bored engines. It comes down to a overwelming amount of 4 stroke 200xes that are already to go wanting a class where they can race on something they can run against. It's all about the numbers. It's not about Mickey, get that out of your mind. I just happen to be a person that know there is a market for this class and it's up to the promoter if he was to take advantage of that.

[Frankencelery]

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[jeswinehart]

Does this much "drama" go on at these races,,,, geeze.

[fabiodriven]

The problem doesn't lie in the tracks or the series, and it's not the riders either. It's one builder who situations like this surround. I've been saying it for a very long time and a good chunk of the rest of the motorsports industry has already been down this road. There is but one person and one person only who wants this class so badly he's willing to fight for it, and that's Mickey Dunlap. Here are multiple racers all voicing their opinions loud and clear, guys with years on the track, all very nicely asking for this please to not go through. These are the racers, the nitty-gritty, the boots on the ground, the men who will be on these bikes and in these races, and I see all of them clearly standing on one side with only one person on the other side.

If that solitary person's name didn't happen to be Mickey Dunlap, how far would this have gone? Why is anyone standing anywhere other than opposing this man and if anyone is, why have we not heard from one of them? Where was the outcry for this to happen? Who wanted this aside from one man who stands to gain both financially and by making better odds for his own bike on the track? How can this not be crystal clear to everyone?

What would happen with this class if nobody wanted to run it I'm wondering?

[atc300r]

Yes and No.Yes we had drama at Paradise.No it wasnt the trikes or quads it was some arrogant a-sshole in the 600 minisprint class.He ended up getting the police called on him because he was being aggresive towards the track officials.
Does this much "drama" go on at these races,,,, geeze.

[atc300r]

I raced trikes back in the 80s not on the pro circut just local tracks.I want the sport to grow so we dont end up banned again.

[Matt85'350x]

Is the class official yet? If yes then try it and see how it works out. If no then appeal to the leaders of the classes and squash it. Either way endless mud slinging isn't solving anything.

[86T3]

There is very little drama at trike races, it only lives on the internet

[Mickey Dunlap]

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Lets just go racing! :cool:

[Mickey Dunlap]

It's growing every day, the people with 200xes are speaking out!

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[Mickey Dunlap]

I think we are going to need a A and B class by the looks of people I don't even know of building new 200xes.

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[jays375]

Must be true.Saw it on the internet.

[atc300r]

Funny We 200x guys have been speaking out on this whole thread. But we aren't your people.
It's growing every day, the people with 200xes are speaking out!

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[atc300r]

Rememeber you said baby steps when I mentioned 2 200 classes.
I think we are going to need a A and B class by the looks of people I don't even know of building new 200xes.

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[Mickey Dunlap]

Rememeber you said baby steps when I mentioned 2 200 classes.

That's right, that was before I seen all these new builds above the list of 17 I gave Regina the first few day this was posted on Face Book, now it has grown! But I also know how Face Book can not gauge the turn out at each race. So it's still a wait and see thing, but it's looking good.

And for the one that asked if it was a sure thing, yes Shawn said it's a go the first time I asked him if there could be a 200x class, as long as there are enough racers showing up.

[atc300r]

The last 2 races at Paradise in Geneva had over 10 trikes in the 200 class. I know you think the 200x isn't competitive in the lites class. But Mac Moore spanked the 250 2 strokes a couple years ago at Pinelake. I think he was in the A class.I will be racing in the 250 class. Im leaving my 200r home maybe bring my sons 200x.

[Mickey Dunlap]

The last 2 races at Paradise in Geneva had over 10 trikes in the 200 class. I know you think the 200x isn't competitive in the lites class. But Mac Moore spanked the 250 2 strokes a couple years ago at Pinelake. I think he was in the A class.I will be racing in the 250 class. Im leaving my 200r home maybe bring my sons 200x.


Yes and 2 years ago, even 3 years ago everyone was a lot slower, it was like watching Amateurs vs. the pro class back in the day, and Mac was a up and coming pro as I was getting out of the 3 wheel racing in 87'. You are talking about 1 or 2 fast 200x guys. We want like what we had at Beezewood and you have at Geneva at the nationals. That's the only place they didn't have a 200x class, and they had the 8-10 to do it two years ago, and lost it this year. The racing will be much better when you have a bunch of 200xes, you know that and that's what the promoter wants too.

[atc300r]

The class is a go. But the next thing is getting the numbers at each race some of the guys at Geneva probably wont follow the circuit. I don't know if the NEEDT race at Geneva is going to count towards the 6 race schedual of NETR.I see a couple of the races aren't to far from me 2-4 hours .Pine Lake is 6 hours from me.Plus I plan on doing MX this year.

[Mickey Dunlap]

The class is a go. But the next thing is getting the numbers at each race some of the guys at Geneva probably wont follow the circuit. I don't know if the NEEDT race at Geneva is going to count towards the 6 race schedual of NETR.I see a couple of the races aren't to far from me 2-4 hours .Pine Lake is 6 hours from me.Plus I plan on doing MX this year.

I look for a good turn out from the NC racers too, plus the riders I bring.

[86T3]

Yes and 2 years ago, even 3 years ago everyone was a lot slower, it was like watching Amateurs vs. the pro class back in the day, and Mac was a up and coming pro as I was getting out of the 3 wheel racing in 87'. You are talking about 1 or 2 fast 200x guys. We want like what we had at Beezewood and you have at Geneva at the nationals. That's the only place they didn't have a 200x class, and they had the 8-10 to do it two years ago, and lost it this year. The racing will be much better when you have a bunch of 200xes, you know that and that's what the promoter wants too.

I know I said I was done, but I can't let you spit out stupidity like this. You weren't at pine lake last year so you disn't see it, but there were MORE 200xs than the year you were there! I went through the rosters and showed you on Facebook! Stop the stupidity! And why are 200xs so special that they need their own class? It's more about rider skill than machine in the vintage classes, you don't come to many races so you don't know ow that. And the Paradise series allows 200 2 strokes, did you know that? So much for your theories

[Mickey Dunlap]

I know I said I was done, but I can't let you spit out stupidity like this. You weren't at pine lake last year so you disn't see it, but there were MORE 200xs than the year you were there! I went through the rosters and showed you on Facebook! Stop the stupidity! And why are 200xs so special that they need their own class? It's more about rider skill than machine in the vintage classes, you don't come to many races so you don't know ow that. And the Paradise series allows 200 2 strokes, did you know that? So much for your theories

Sorry but you don't have to be at a race to know what is or isn't happening, this isn't the 80's, we have cell phones. LOL

Is this bugging you so much that it gaining more people everyday, is that your problem? You can just take a deep breath and sit back and see what happens next year.

I will have to admit I got 2 calls this week on 200x builds, but they are for races in the deep south and one ice racer, but never the less there are more builds happening then I know of that are going to some of the nationals.

[atc300r]

I know several guys that are fast on a 200x.Atleast 4 or 5 at Paradise alone.Joe you bring up an interesting point.Paradise alows 200 2 strokes in the 200 class does NEEDT also follow the tracks rules.

[86T3]

No Mickey, that doesn't bug me at all. You saying things that simply aren't true bugs me. Your first post on Facebook said you were going to bring back the 200x class that got cut down when it started gaining traction. That isn't true, there never was a 200x class. You've said a couple times that there were less 200xs at pine lake last year so I went through the trouble to show you how many were there 2 years agof, and how many last year. There were more in 2016, but again your saying there wasnt. I'm not going to argue your opinion anymore, it's a waste of time because you aren't going to change it. But if you post false facts I'm going to jump on you. Congrats on 2 more engine sales, by my count you've doubled your expected sales already.

Atc300, the NEEDT paradise race will go by the NEEDT rules. You could race yours in the lites class if the 200x class doesn't kill it. It was the most competitive class last year, I hope it survives

[Mickey Dunlap]

NC picks up another build going on, it's going to be good racing down there.

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[atc300r]

No Mickey, that doesn't bug me at all. You saying things that simply aren't true bugs me. Your first post on Facebook said you were going to bring back the 200x class that got cut down when it started gaining traction. That isn't true, there never was a 200x class. You've said a couple times that there were less 200xs at pine lake last year so I went through the trouble to show you how many were there 2 years agof, and how many last year. There were more in 2016, but again your saying there wasnt. I'm not going to argue your opinion anymore, it's a waste of time because you aren't going to change it. But if you post false facts I'm going to jump on you. Congrats on 2 more engine sales, by my count you've doubled your expected sales already.

Atc300, the NEEDT paradise race will go by the NEEDT rules. You could race yours in the lites class if the 200x class doesn't kill it. It was the most competitive class last year, I hope it survives
Thanks Joe. You racing your 450 Kawi next year. If I can get the time I want to make it to Breezewood next year.

[86T3]

Absolutely. Im going to try to have a 200 Tecate also but idk if that will happen. Too many projects and not enough time or money. I'm going to try to make Breezewood again also. Im not crazy about the 1 moto format but it's a fun track, the cabins are great, and you can't beat the company. Too bad we aren't closer, we could car pool to some of these races

[fieldy]

A bit off topic i know but ^ speaking of those debored 250 tecates, i recently saw a piston to make a tecate a 200cc and i was wondering how hard and rare those are to find. In otherwords, are there many choices when it comes to those Kawasaki debores?
Also a carpool thread for racers would be awesome. Maybe put a name to your closest major city and look for others close. Its gonna have to happen if i make very many races. Indiana sux for races.
I salute those who travel a circuit!

[Ritz cracker]

I have never raced before but I'm building a 81 250r and also have a 85 200x. Is there any literature I should read. Like rules or stuff like that. Lol I know it's probably a stupid question I just like to be prepared. Also I live in oneonta ny and plain on trying to make it to all the races I can.

[fieldy]

Page 4 , post 58 in this thread has the NEEDT series rules.

[86T3]

Fieldy, the debore pistons are rare but not worth a lot because there is next to no market for them. Klemm sells debore sleeves to put in the stock cylinder. I think there are 4 size debore pistons for over bores but I'm not sure. I'm putting a kdx200 into a tecate frame so I don't have to deal with hard to find parts. A carpool thread would be good idea. I'm going to push racing more this year than I have in the past, I'll try to start threads for all of the east coast races. Keep your eyes open for them next summer and post where you are, maybe we can hook some people up.

Ritz cracker, you want to make sure your trike is in good condition before showing up. Front and rear brakes, tether kill switch, non broken clutch and front break levers (the little balls on the ends of stockers are best), and cotter pins in your axles are all checked at Tech. TT races have a maximum width of 50"z and you need to have flat track style rear tires. If you have any other specific questions don't hesitate to ask

[Mickey Dunlap]

I have never raced before but I'm building a 81 250r and also have a 85 200x. Is there any literature I should read. Like rules or stuff like that. Lol I know it's probably a stupid question I just like to be prepared. Also I live in oneonta ny and plain on trying to make it to all the races I can.

Bring that 200x! You will have a blast.

[Mickey Dunlap]

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Here comes another one, at this rate there is going to be a good turn out in MI. too. :w00t:

[atc300r]

I have never raced before but I'm building a 81 250r and also have a 85 200x. Is there any literature I should read. Like rules or stuff like that. Lol I know it's probably a stupid question I just like to be prepared. Also I live in oneonta ny and plain on trying to make it to all the races I can.
81 250rs are fun to race. I raced mine in several forms of racing. I raced it at Paradise in Geneva on TT , Make sure you have good bearings all around .Wide and low is best for TT flat track.Alot of us use lawnmower tires on the back 18x10x8 or 9.with stockish front tire. New chain and sprockets ,fork seals,tether switch good brakes . You will need boots aleast 8 inches high ,gloves ,long sleeve shirt, helmet and goggles at the minimum. Paradise is only 2 and half hours from you. pic of my 81 250r DG racer.
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[86T3]

Did you get that head off Buffalo craigslist 3ish years ago? There was a parts machine with a gold head, I called on it but he was holding it for someone from Rochester. Always wondered who got it

[atc300r]

Did you get that head off Buffalo craigslist 3ish years ago? There was a parts machine with a gold head, I called on it but he was holding it for someone from Rochester. Always wondered who got it
No. I got it from a member on air-foolers.com about 5 years ago.Are you looking for 1.

[86T3]

No, it was a good deal. 250 for the trike, had a nice looking tank and the gold head. I think the motor was apart. It was a while ago, just something I remembered for some reason. Air foolers are cool, but I have too much stuff already

[Mickey Dunlap]

First time at a national in 30 some years the 200xes had their own class! The lites class had 8 riders, 3 were 200xes, the 200x had 6 first time out. Now that the words out the next race in NY will be even bigger. Making the 200x class Great Again!


Congrats goes to national champ Jacob Hall winning $1 for every cc, netting him $200 for his big win from Four Stroke Tech.

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