PA Street Legal XR650L Trike - by 211 Motorsports

[atctim]

After more than a decade of dreaming, thinking, more dreaming, and it has finally come to fruition. I finally have a legit street legal ATC. I'm proud to introduce my 2008 ATC XR650L. Amazingly built by Derrick Adams (211 Motorsports) this trike is truly a one-of-a-kind. While I have several other quad to trike conversions, this is the first bike to trike conversion I have ever owned. Derrick has built several other bike to trike conversions over the years, and I have always been extremely impressed with his work and attention to detail. He knocked this one right out of the park! I approached Derrick a couple years back and we brain stormed briefly. After much thought and some discussion, the time came. I dropped my beloved XR off with Derrick. A little while later, and this is what he has presented me with.

As for the build, it is basically all bolt on. The only non-motorcycle parts (and non custom parts) on the bike are as follows: From ATC - front fender, front hub, front axle, speedo drive unit. From TRX - seat, rear fenders, rear axle and carrier, and rear brakes. This trike could be very easily converted right back to a bike in not very much time at all. Starting up front, the 650 uses the motorcycle's front forks and front brakes. With a beautiful adapter hub mating the ATC front hub to the motorcycle's brake disc. The forks have been shortened. The top triple is two stock XR650L triples put together for more width. If I didn't type that, you'd never even know. the bottom triple is custom. All controls and gauges are stock XR. The gas tank and entire frame minus the sub-frame are all XR. The foot pegs are custom. The sub-frame and swingarm are custom. I'm sure I am missing tons of stuff here, but let the pictures speak for themselves. Also, Derrick took it upon himself to build a custom rear rack. He thought, what is the point if you can't go to the grocery store without being able to haul stuff home. He custom fabbed up a rear rack, that rotates rearward so that the rear fenders can still be taken off with ease. For the way it works, think Hondaline ATC250SX rear rack. I think it adds a certain refinement to this bike and finishes it off in the looks department as well. Kudos Derrick, kudos!

I've only ridden it just a wee bit thus far. I still need to put DOT tires on the rear. I purchased non-DOT by accident. After that, I will take it to get mandatory Pennsylvania State Inspection, then I am totally legal. I have never let the insurance or registration lap while it was being built. I did however call my insurance company and ask if I needed to do anything special because it was getting a "trike kit" installed. They said nothing needed done. I also contacted a motorcycle inception station and went over everything with them, as well as reading the motorcycle inspection laws time and time again. All is good in that department as well.

[atctim]

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[big specht]

Looks good that makes me want to convert my xr600r over.

[Aulbaugh]

Looks stellar! Be cool to see it in action!

[HairyJR]

Now that's a sweet looking trike, "torque monster". Think I heard you talking about the build at this years Invasion. More pic's please :naughty:

"HJ" 243246 :beer

[axeman24]

That machine is A1 awesome

[schlepp29]

I love the stock tank look

[fabiodriven]

Thanks for making my XR look like a pile of monkey nuts! I was sitting at breakfast with the great Mik6 yesterday and he asked me if I was planning on taking my XR to Trikefest. I told him at that moment, probably not. He then turned his phone to me and showed me a picture of your XR on the Bookface and asked me if I was positive I wasn't going to bring it. This morning I awoke and immediately ordered a new stator and also renewed my expired registration. See you next month my friend!

[keister]

I've put lots of street miles on this when it was a bike. So.... MX conversion class? Saturday drags? What are your TF plans for this, little brother?

Great job Derrick! CAN NOT WAIT to see (ride) it this weekend.

[keister]

But the big question. How well does it wheelie now?

[atctim]

Thanks for making my XR look like a pile of monkey nuts! I was sitting at breakfast with the great Mik6 yesterday and he asked me if I was planning on taking my XR to Trikefest. I told him at that moment, probably not. He then turned his phone to me and showed me a picture of your XR on the Bookface and asked me if I was positive I wasn't going to bring it. This morning I awoke and immediately ordered a new stator and also renewed my expired registration. See you next month my friend!

That is awesome that there will be two of these monsters at TF! Kudos for getting yours ready for TF. We will have to take a little street ride while in Laurel. Some pictures of them together will be awesome too!


So.... MX conversion class? Saturday drags? What are your TF plans for this, little brother?

No MX for it this year. I will drag race it for sure though. Other TF plans include but are not limited to, Shoe tree trips, street riding with the infamous Fabio, and Riverfest. It wheelies the same as the bike BTW - Frickin easily.

[keister]

Just realized.... this thing still has a twisty throttle on it?! Probably the 2-cable type too. How's that working out? Keeping it? I've never known you to have a twist on any of your 3 wheelers.

[Dirtcrasher]

Derrick does some great work!! I wonder how many times you'll get pulled over like Fabio was.

But, this is the A-hole state so I bet it won't be nearly as many riding interruptions for you!!

There are quite a few guys that want to build one of these puppies....

[atctim]

I am thinking about keeping the twist throttle for one reason: long hauls. After an hour or so, your thumb tends to get tired. With a twisty, it will eliminate the thumb fatigue.

[83ATC185]

Derrick does some great work!! I wonder how many times you'll get pulled over like Fabio was.

But, this is the A-hole state so I bet it won't be nearly as many riding interruptions for you!!

There are quite a few guys that want to build one of these puppies....


I myself would love to have one...unfortunately, here in my small town they would pull me over and impound it just because they didn't like the idea, and the following legal battle would cost more than the bike, and then i would lose. I can see it now in court, "Your honor, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, this man took a normal motorcycle and made a 3 WHEELER out of it and now he's riding it on the street?!!!"

And it would be totally worth it! :D
That bike looks amazing! Enjoy it!

[fabiodriven]

I myself would love to have one...unfortunately, here in my small town they would pull me over and impound it just because they didn't like the idea, and the following legal battle would cost more than the bike, and then i would lose. I can see it now in court, "Your honor, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, this man took a normal motorcycle and made a 3 WHEELER out of it and now he's riding it on the street?!!!"

And it would be totally worth it! :D
That bike looks amazing! Enjoy it!

Nobody is defeating you aside from yourself. The law is the law.

[atctim]

As I've played it out a thousand times in my mind already. I live in a small town too - and here in PA we have State Police that patrol our area. Here is the best way I can make people see it for what it is. The only thing is, because it looks like an ATV, but actually is not, people will think it's an ATV. It's a street legal motorcycle from the manufacturer with a bolt on trike kit.

[83ATC185]

Fabio's right, its just a matter of knowing and following the laws to a T and having everything in order, and keeping a cool head while dealing with the inquisitive minds(my biggest problem!). I think anyone that's been an officer for any length of time will know a street legal vehicle when they see one.

Any plans for a road trip yet?

[atctim]

No road trips planned just yet. I'm trying to find time to install my speedometer gear set from my 350X and get the cable hooked up so I can get it inspected. After that - I will do as much local riding on it as possible for the time being.

[fabiodriven]

I don't know what the laws are where you live Tim, but in Massachusetts a speedometer isn't a requirement. I had to educate at least one of the policemen that pulled me over about that fact.

[atc007]

Love everything I see here :) IMHO, ditch the twist and put on a thumb,but that's only because I suck at a twist on a ATV. I would be a menace to myself with a twist,pavement,oncoming tractor trailers and guard rails. Your thumb muscles will build up. That I know :)

[Ghostv2]

Love everything I see here :) IMHO, ditch the twist and put on a thumb,but that's only because I suck at a twist on a ATV. I would be a menace to myself with a twist,pavement,oncoming tractor trailers and guard rails. Your thumb muscles will build up. That I know :)

On long rides though I would almost prefer the twist. Riding through town, I'm with ya on the thumb throttle. I guess it depends on your riding and duration. On pavement a twist wouldn't be so bad though.

[TexFest]

Nice ride


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[DiamonDon]

atctim, this beautiful build is exactly what I need to keep my project moving forward!
Your machine is a peach, and I sure hope you'll share more about the way it feels under conditions you find especially challenging or fun :)

The starting point of XR650L (mine is an '88 NX650) means you are legal for carrying a passenger.
I'm particularly interested in knowing what its like on a tight low speed turn, on sticky asphalt when you've got a kid sized passenger on the back with you?

I very much look forward to a sunday morning ride with one of my kids on the back with me, even if it might result in more attention from law enforcement than we'd like :)

Are you familiar with Costco?
That is the ONLY location I could find the rear tires which match your front, and only through Costco online. Mine 20x11x9 GBC Streetforce Afterburner DOT rear tires are mounted up on rims, and they look ridiculously cool.

May I also point out that they are speed rated to 87mph which I think you need. I worry about running golf cart tires at highway speed, even if they were DOT(many are not)
https://www.costco.com/Greenball-Afterburn-Street-Force-ATV-Tire.product.100044210.html
(I don't see them now, not sure why its only showing other sizes)

I'm also in the process of mounting my '92-'95 DR650S IMS Tank which holds 6.6 gallons (they'll stretch a bit more when filled with boiling water and ~5psi of air to stretch the plastic some (when new of course)
https://www.amazon.com/ACERBIS-GALLON-WHITE-SUZUKI-DR650/dp/B001TXDGSU/

Another question please, are you familiar with the weakness of the countershaft sprocket splines chewing up? That's got me thinking a trike would be even more damaging with its abundant traction. Did you consider a cush drive? I'm very interested in any thoughts about adapting a very cushy drive hub to a setup like yours, there are some OEM Ducati parts I've purchased from eBay which might work out, not sure yet.

Your trike is beyond sweet, thank you so much for sharing!!
Please know its very, very inspiring, and keeping folks like myself working on similar projects.
Maybe I'll be done in time for a ride to Trikefest 2018 from WA state :) your bike looks very capable for road trips.
Thanks again,
Don

[CRAZY70MAN]

650 herk and jerk:wondering. Lol. Awesome rig Tim. I've chase the same idea for years. Glad you actually pursued and completed it. I request a test ride please sir

[atctim]

Don,

I've been very busy since I've gotten this trike, so not much to report at this time. I am very aware of the counter-shaft splines - mine will be getting replaced this winter. For the time being, a couple spot welds on a new front sprocket to get me through. Regarding the cush drive, yes, at this point in time I can say it would be helpful, but I am unsure if I can get a sprocket for the TRX450R rear end with this set up. At low RPMs, rolling it on makes it shake like a paint shaker. It's going to be a learning curve on where to keep the RPMs to keep the vibes down. I have a new set of rear tires, that are not depicted in the pictures. They are a better option in my mind, and hook up pretty darn well for what they are. Pictures to come later on.

Andy - you are more than welcome to ride this beast!

[mdmike]

Man, that is a nice conversion!

Since you are both from PA, it would be awesome if you and my buddy Mark could get together somewhere in the middle to take some photos and go for a ride!

http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthread.php/175618-ATC650X-from-Dirt-Wheels-Oct-2002

[atctim]

I took the mighty 650 to the local Honda dealership and got it PA State Inspected - was the last piece of the puzzle. It passed with flying colors. Nothing was said except they really liked it. Oddly enough 2 bays over they were working on a GoldWing trike conversion. What I thought might be a hassle was indeed smooth sailing. I've yet to get pulled over on it, but I have yet to see a LEO while riding it, so time will tell.

I installed new chain and sprockets this weekend. They look much better than the old worn out rusty chain and sprocket that was on it before.

I't's headed to Trikefest this weekend so whoever is going can check it out in person. I still need to fine tune the carb since it had an airbox deletion. needs more gas!

[schlepp29]

That's awesome tim, can't wait to see it in person. I'm still debating if I should take my xr because of the possibility of rain

[atctim]

What rain? Forecast looks mint!

[schlepp29]

Looks like I'm in!

[3 Wheel Drive]

That looks like a lot of fun! I think it would look cool with a wind shield on it. How fast does it go?

[atctim]

That looks like a lot of fun! I think it would look cool with a wind shield on it. How fast does it go?

I've thought about a small windscreen, especially for the chilly winter months. On paper it should currently go approx 85 - 90MPH. I've had it over 60, and it felt really really fast.

[ATCeeya]

I need one of these in my life

[HondaMan32]

Super cool build! I bought a 2018 XR650L that I would like to convert over. What would I be looking at in price range to have this done? I’m from Illinois.

[atctim]

Super cool build! I bought a 2018 XR650L that I would like to convert over. What would I be looking at in price range to have this done? I’m from Illinois.

Your first hurdle will be finding someone to build it for you unless you can do it yourself. My builder said this was a very challenging build, and not putting words in his mouth, but I am not positive he would build another one. However, if you do find someone who is willing to do it, I would have to estimate between $5000 - $7000 in parts and labor.

[atctim]

Informational update: It's been nearly 2.5 years since I picked up my build from 211 Motorsports. Everything was mint except it would not rev past 1/2 throttle. The long and the short of this situation was that the stock CV carb is tuned so lean from the factory for street legal emissions, yet there is practically no "tun-ability" to the carb. You can get into the carb and cut off a "stop" that only allows the fuel air screw to go so far. Being as though the stock airbox and intake does not work with the trike sub-frame, I was unable to get the bike to run very well. After talking to several people (HarryJR, Garry Crum, Dave Colman aka Tapper190, and Jason Hall - carb tuning legend) I was told I needed a FCR carb if I ever wanted this thing to run right. And so I bit the bullet and bought a used 40mm FCR carb off of a 2004 CRF450R from eBay. Installing the carb was fairly straight forward. It fit pretty good in the stock intake boots, and the throttle cables from the stock XR do indeed work on the CRF FCR. The only real change is that the XR's CV carb has a cable driven choke that is located up on the bars. The FCR has the choke on the carb body and a hot start which is mounted on the bars of the CRF respectively. I used the stock choke cable and lever on the bars to control the "Hot Start" and now just choke it from the carb itself. Perfect really. Once installed I knew it was extremely lean. I spoke with Garry and Jason regarding where I should be with jets. I went from the stock CRF jets of 152 main / 42 pilot to 185 / 52. Before replacing the jets, and while messing with the air fuel screw - something seemed off. Upon further inspection, the rubber o-ring in the thumb screw for the air/fuel was destroyed. A previous owner had the insides of that little thing all kinds of wrong which equaled an air leak which equaled a lean condition. I ordered up a new one and installed it when installing the jets. This thing now is near perfect. Easy starting, quick powerful revs thru the entire RPM curve, flawless idling. As a side note, when I had this in bike form (I bought it new in 2008 and rode it as a bike until 2016) I had installed a Big Gun exhaust on it. I could never really tune it with the stock carb and this set up. It was lean - lots of popping on deceleration. Now all of that is tuned out. The power increase is significant with the FCR carb. When looking at it on paper - the stock carb was a 42.5mm and this carb is a 40mm. However, my intake is much larger, and the exhaust is oversized. With the much fatter fuel circuits and jet sizes in the FCR, it feels night and day different. The biggest difference is how much faster it revs. 1-3 gears on dirt just light the tires right up. It is a bit less linear power, and a bit more light switchy, but the improvement gained is so worth it.

I now must re-gear it. Before, not being able to run past 1/2 throttle, it felt pretty good. Now with being able to take it to the top or the RPMs, it is much much too fast. I can get 30MPH out of 1st and 50PMH out of second. This will make trail riding near impossible, especially if behind a slower rider. Currently it has a 15 tooth front sprocket on it. I am going to order and install a 13 tooth front and see how much it changes it. As is with the gearing, 60 MPH road cruising is the very bottom of high gear, which would be OK if I only rode it on the street, but this is to be a true "Dual Sport" trike and needs lower gears for off road. I will be taking this to the Imperial Invasion this year, and think the super tall gearing will not be in my best interest there either.

Now I need to decide if I run knobby tires in the sand or paddles. I have ridden both in the sand and I like the feel of knobbies. I think I will keep what's on it pictured below, and I have a Sand Star 22X9-10 on order.

I will continue to update as I move forward. Something I should have done 2.5 year ago. I ended up parking it and drooling over it, but never riding it because of the carb issue. Now it is ready for service!

[HairyJR]

Nicely done Tim, they are a torque monster. As the CG and seat height are higher on the XR’s I’ve found using a 10” diameter wheel for paddle tires feel more stable with less tire roll over due to low tire pressures to make the paddles work. The 450’s have been taking over as the more common conversion. Hope to see you at the Invasion next year.

"HJ" 260133 :beer

[atctim]

Thanks HairyJR! By the way, you came to mind firstly last night when I realized I need to re-gear this trike. May I ask, what are you running gear wise on your XR conversion?

The CG on this bike may be lower than some, as the sub-frame is re-worked and not stock XR.

I will be at Invasion this year - and this bike will be with me. Hoping I can get some riding with you this time, rather than recovering from appendix surgery like last time I was there.

[HairyJR]

OK the XR500 (628cc) final drive gearing is 14/44. My hybrid quad with the NX650 (same as your XR650L) gearing is 15/42. The Sand Skate (Sand Tires Unlimited) 21-12-10 (10” wide) seem to work better with less tire roll over. Now the Haulers 21-12-8 have a little more flex which helps to smooth the suspension ride as 8” x 8” wide wheels. Lost my beloved 8x 9” wide Hauler set (Jason Hall & I traded paddles) last season. The wider wheel flattens the contact patch along with reducing tire diameter therefore lowering gear ratio.
If your wanting to lower final drive gear ratio, also lowering first gear primary drive ratio pick up a XR600R clutch basket and crankshaft gear (70/32) (2.187 ratio)as the “L’s” is (69/34) (2.029 ratio). Only requires pulling the clutch cover to change. If ever you split the cases change 2nd gear to the NX650 2nd gear and also install the FMX650 5th gear, acts like an overdrive.

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"HJ" 260147 :beer

[ironchop]

....
Now I need to decide if I run knobby tires in the sand or paddles. I have ridden both in the sand and I like the feel of knobbies. I think I will keep what's on it pictured below, and I have a Sand Star 22X9-10 on order.
...

Sand riding virgin here...

Can you elaborate on this?

What's the difference in feeling between knobbies and paddles?

Could I run these Ohtsus in the sand or would I be disappointed?

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[Red Rider]

Sand riding virgin here...

Can you elaborate on this?

What's the difference in feeling between knobbies and paddles?

Could I run these Ohtsus in the sand or would I be disappointed?Those knobbies will do just fine in the sand, and will be a blast to ride on. You can pitch it sideways & roost at will, and your 250R will go anywhere you want. It will have a lot of wheel spin trying to get going in the deep stuff, and you may dig a hole or two, and bury the bike in the process. Paddles on the other hand will give you tons of traction, and better acceleration, but will want to wheelie a lot more, especially while climbing hills. Trying to slide it with paddles will be a bit precarious, as it will want to lift the front wheel, as soon as you get on the gas in the slide.

[HairyJR]

Paddle tires are nice to have but not truly needed. Several of the regular guys who attend the past Invasions only use knobbies.

"HJ" 260148 :beer

[El Camexican]

Mr. Clean was running knobbies less aggressive than those on his ultra trick 200 when I was there.

I’d asked about using 4 Snow’s before I went and the Keister boys said they were a good balance between knobs and shovels, but that I should call them 3 Snows.

I got stuck once after trying to climb in too tall a gear with my engine sputtering on me, probably would have dug a hole with any tire. Having been in the dunes only once, I still consider myself a sand virgin of sorts, but I wouldn’t hesitate to go back with regular knobbies, from what I saw they turn better and are a lot easier on your butt riding over hard pack, so unless you’re strictly hill climbing or racing in a straight line scoops aren’t needed.

[keister]

Those knobbies will do just fine in the sand, and will be a blast to ride on. You can pitch it sideways & roost at will, and your 250R will go anywhere you want. It will have a lot of wheel spin trying to get going in the deep stuff, and you may dig a hole or two, and bury the bike in the process. Paddles on the other hand will give you tons of traction, and better acceleration, but will want to wheelie a lot more, especially while climbing hills. Trying to slide it with paddles will be a bit precarious, as it will want to lift the front wheel, as soon as you get on the gas in the slide.

Just a word of caution here...... and not trying to get this thread off track, but keep in mind that the guys running knobbies in the dunes have been riding the dunes for a long, long time. It is a totally different world than riding terrain with rocks and trees and creek beds. These guys out west go off the top of a 300' dune like it's nothing to them. As someone who has ridden the big west coast dunes 5 times, I would tell a noob to run paddles every time (yes, 3-Snows are paddle-ish). They make paddles for a reason, and as a novice we need every possible advantage. The good news is, these are trikers. Even if you have the 100% wrong tire setup, someone is sure to loan or sell you what you need. I've seen it happen. Now, back to that sweet, sweet 650 convo!!

[atctim]

I'll add my 2 cents (even though they weren't asked for). I have rode on both knobbys and paddles. I prefer the knobbys 90% of the time. You can control your sliding as mentioned above. The only downfall is when you want to shoot up a HUGE hill with no run. It is very hard to do without paddles, but it can be done. I followed Mr. Clean around the dunes numerous times while I was on paddles and he on knobbys. It wasn't until I ran knobbys that i really appreciated the difference in, well actually, ride style. I feel I can have more fun on knobbys. Something about a challenge that makes me like the knobbys better.

Here's the real question: is it knobbys or knobbies? My spell check does not like either.

[ironchop]

I'll add my 2 cents (even though they weren't asked for)...

Sure it was. See post #41

I'm glad y'all cleared that up. I should probably get some paddles anyway



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[atctim]

Another Update: Last night I finally got to swap out the front sprocket. A little background: XR650Ls are known to have the output shaft ruined by aftermarket sprockets. The aftermarket front sprockets are a harder steel than the shaft, so they just chew and eat away at the splines over time. I knew this going in, and realize at some point the motor will have to be completely torn apart to replace said output shaft, but to buy some spare time, I picked up a sprocket for an XR650R - which has a much wider "collar" for where the splines meet the output shaft. This gives it more "meat" to grab hold of. I hope it gets me thru next summer at least. I dropped it from a 15 tooth to a 13 tooth and it gets me much closer in the ball park to being geared better for off road. Possibly in the future I will go up 3 or 4 teeth in the rear, but for now, it is good enough, and might be about perfect for the sand box.

I also re-routed / reworked the crankcase breather hoses. In stock form, there is a charcoal filter / oil collector box that sits beside the carb. there was not enough room for it and to be able to get to the air/fuel screw and idle adjustment on the new FCR carb - so i needed to remove it. That was pretty easy, and it is now run like a traditional ATC, crankcase vent to "T" one side going up to air box area, one side going down with carb drains.

I also replaced the 2008 white headlight bezel with an earlier model (still NOS OEM) red one. I think it looks much better and much more ATC like now. It's the small details like this that I feel makes or breaks a bikes looks.

I also need to space out the battery box. It is rubbing on the chain somehow. I swear it is impossible when I stand behind it and look at it. It appears there is plenty of clearance. It might be flexing when the suspension is compressed and in rough terrain. Spacing it out will be a simple remedy of this small annoyance. Plus if I do not space it out, eventually it will rub thru and into the battery - which is no good as this is e-start only - no back up.

I will be looking to add one more front tire for this bike. I already have the street legal tire on it. I need to keep it in good shape for inspection time. I will be mounting up a sand tire on the front for the dunes very soon. But then I think I will be looking at the Cheetah 23" front tire on an 11" wheel for general off-road duty. If anyone has a nice non-gold front wheel for this bike (250R) in 11", please hit me up.

I am really pleased with this bike the more I play with it and test ride it. It really is a one of a kind and I do love it so!

[schlepp29]

Wow that thing is nice, I like the red head light better to.id like to get one for my xr.

[El Camexican]

With respect to your chain rubbing issue I’ve seen as much as 1/2” of side to side movement on the top side of a chain only 6” back of the counter sprocket. Mainly on deceleration. I had no room to cut the frame, so I bolted on a strip of Teflon with countersunk screws and let it rub. You might want to consider riveting on some aluminum sheet metal if you don’t have enough room to move the box.

As far as your counter shaft is concerned you might be able to get a company like Orient express, precision metal fab racing, Falicon, or Murdock race engineering to further harden a stock shaft depending on what the base material was. I would imagine that the extra traction of two wide tires is a lot harder on shafts and baskets than a thin back tire is.

[Red Rider]

Very nice build atctim! I would imagine it's a fun ride. I've seen lots of 211 Motorsports' builds on FB, and they're all pretty trick looking, but I never knew the man behind it all was Derrick Adams. Enjoy your investment.