Kate Steinle verdict

[sledcrazyinCT]

WTF happened :crazy:

So Garcia Zarate finds a gun that was stolen four days prior from a Federal agent and the jury couldn't even find him guilty of negligent homicide? I feel badly for the family that was robbed of their daughter and now justice for her murder.


I am amazed that the jury couldn't arrive at guilty for negligent homicide when they agreed he was guilty of negligent discharge of a firearm.

Sounds like his two years awaiting trial could satisfy time served for the gun felony charge of 2 to 5

[Scootertrash]

In on this thread before you are accused of being "distracted"

Not many will have the slightest clue what you're talking about. Not trying to be a dick, but I'm surprised you think the outcome would be any different considering the location.

[sledcrazyinCT]

Elected officials that promote sanctuary cities should be held liable in a class action suit created by families of victims all across this country.
Maybe a group of lawyers can initiate a class action civil suit vs all the current mayors and governors that believe their job requires harboring illegals living in their jurisdiction.

Suing these 'leaders' for an enormous amount of $$ might make other politicians think twice. Only reason this man continued to come back to SF was because he knew he could get away with it since he was doing it for years without real consequences for breaking our laws

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[El Camexican]

The concept of a sanctuary city blows my mind. What possible motivation exists that justifies harboring known criminals???

Many of the Mexicans I know think it makes perfect sense to expect America to allow illegals to stay, but think it’s also fine for me and others to jump through the Mexican immigration hoops, pay taxes like everyone else and be penalized to the tune of an extra 30% if I sell a property here because I’m not Mexican. Try sneaking into Mexico illegally and see how you’re treated.

[Poco Loco]

It runs a tad deeper than the above mentioned items...... kate was used as an example of failed immirgration policies in california by Donald Trump during the election cycle when he was campagianing. He brought her name up often. And for good reason.

Now the liberal stronghold of San Francisco and its jury pool to pic from has given Trump, and Kates family and all who voted for Trump, the middle finger. Justice means nothing to the Liberals, they just want revenge. No morals at all.

[atctim]

It really goes to show how divided this country really is. It's like the normal people VS NY and CA liberal wack-jobs. I think this is the line in the sand this country needs.

I heard on the news this morning something interesting. It's in the language. The term "Sanctuary City" is so very misleading. I will refuse to call them that, but rather use the normal term "Outlaw City".

[Joseph Farrow]

Its a sad day in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA when a known illigal criminal convicted multiple times who wasnt supposed to be here anyway and was deported 5 time KILLS an innocent American and ends up getting away with murder. WE should be in the streets protesting today!

[El Camexican]

Speaking of division.... If I understand correctly the proposed tax changes that trumps administration is trying to put through which limit, or eliminate State tax deductions will pretty much drive the middle class out of the blue states and bankrupt them.

I’m no expert on this, but I thought that the original intent of the constitution was to leave power in the hands of the state and limit that of the federal government. The federal government grabbing up tax dollars before the state gets their hands on seems to be the opposite of that, I always thought federal domination was more of a Democrat goal than Republican, but at this point on history I can’t help but wonder if this isn’t a bit of orange revenge.

Interesting times ahead.

[El Camexican]

WE should be in the streets protesting today!

Wouldn’t that be something? Tax paying people taking the day off to protest peacefully? No bus and train service, no one to unplug the drain, pick up the trash or put out a fire. THAT might actually get the attention of the career politicians, but more likely the left and the media would label you hate mongering supremisists using your white privalage power to disrupt the lives of the downtrodden and disparaged.

As a wise man once told me: When you see a leaking ship that’s beyond repair, don’t waste your time sticking your fingers into the holes. Get up on the deck and jump up and down until it sinks and then build a new one.

[El Camexican]

So glad to have zero idea who or what you're all wasting time thinking about.

Just some meaningless tax paying American citizen who had the nerve to think she should be able to walk in public without fear of being shot by an illegal alien 5 times deported with a stolen gun who was just released from jail against the wishes of the Federeal government who just got a slap on the wrist as punishment.

Maybe if it had happened to someone you knew you wouldn’t think it was such a waste of time for people to talk about it.

[redsox]

The concept of a sanctuary city blows my mind. What possible motivation exists that justifies harboring known criminals???

The same reason someone would spend millions to get a job that pays $170,000 a year. Votes and power. If any of you think that justice is doled out in the courts on a regular basis you are sadly misinformed. Next time you have a day off, head down and spend a few hours in the benches. Watch the machine eat. If you haven't already, id encourage you to read Bonfire of The Vanities. The description of the justice system in that book, although not really a main theme of the story, i think is spot on. “You couldn’t see inside the vans, because their windows were covered by a heavy wire mesh. Kramer didn’t have to look. Inside those vans would be the usual job lots of blacks and Latins, plus . . some stray who had the miserable luck to pick the Bronx to get in trouble in. 'The chow,' Kramer said to himself. The Bronx crumbled and decayed a little more, and a little more blood dried in the cracks… Only one thing was accomplished. The system was fed, and those vans brought in the chow.”

[El Camexican]

People get shot every day. I was stabbed by an ex con this summer that shouldn't have been released either. Don't see me asking others to give a shlt. The only reason you are interested is a political agenda. Sad story, nope I wouldnt give a shlt if it happened to me and nobody talked about it.

Stories are hand picked for the media spotlight in order to create emotions. You are being led to focus on this story.

Tax paying = In support of corruption.

LOL! I'll have to use my imagination as to why someone would want to stick a knife in you.... (10 seconds pass, small bell dings, time is up, too many scenarios to compute)

[fabiodriven]

For frig's sakes Nico...

[El Camexican]

See, compassion for a complete stranger, but the implication that I "deserve" to be stabbed. I hope realize how fkn stupid that is. Thank you so much for proving my point beyond a doubt.

Where did I say you "deserved" it? Don't invent cupcake.

[BOB MARLIN]

It's now a sanctuary STATE, not just a city. He picked up a gun, pointed it in the direction of people and pulled the trigger and the bullet hit someone and killed them. 5 time deported felon and obviously a danger to the public, and they found him NOT guilty on all counts. This state is completely nuts and backwards and getting worse every day.

[Scootertrash]

See, compassion for a complete stranger, but the implication that I "deserve" to be stabbed. I hope realize how fkn stupid that is. Thank you so much for proving my point beyond a doubt.

No where in his post did he say or implicate you "deserved" it. Nothing like twisting the context.

Being able to think of multiple reasons why is no where near the same as saying you deserve it.

Whatever it takes to be the victim, right?

Besides, a random hookup off of Grindr doesn't constitute a legitimate "stabbing". :naughty: ;)

[El Camexican]

Besides, a random hookup off of Grindr doesn't constitute a legitimate "stabbing". :naughty: ;)

Ya know, in all the scenarios I'd imagined, a dispute over a bar of dropped soap wasn't one of them. :lol:

Seriously though, you called it in your first post when you implied there would be comments about distractions, but I never thought someone would come on here and post that a stab wound that they seem to have survived could some how be equivalent to being shot in the back and KILLED while out for a stroll.


People get shot every day. I was stabbed by an ex con this summer that shouldn't have been released either.

Dude, that must have been a heck of a tussle you were in. I recall you once posted (back in the DOHC days) that you single handedly disarmed a gun wielding out of control peace officer. Might be time to ask yourself if trouble is following you around, or if you're out looking for it? Given that your likely too proud to use the emergency services of a tax funded medical center to treat your wounds you may want to change your lifestyle a bit, or learn to sew flesh.

[Red Rider]

Your post had a clear message.

I knew Scooter would say everything he said.

The story you are recalling is a mix of 2 that I have shared here actually. I grabbed an armed sheriff by the collar after he grabbed my best friend, and I berated and shook the piss out of him while his supervising officer stood by doing nothing, which I pointed out repeatedly during the outrage. The second story, is a long one, however ends in me taking a knife from a marine squad leader.

I will appreciate it if you tell your own stories, so as not to defame or slander me any further.

Your first reply was name calling and non admission to what you did in fact imply. A proper human response would be introspection.

I refused medical treatment for my wounds, as I always do and will when allowed to. I can certainly sew flesh.Dude, I admire you.

[El Camexican]

Actually I was wrong, I didn't know that scooter would minimize a traumatic and violent event that happened to an acquaintance he's been communicating with for around 4 years.

Whatever it takes to be the victim? Dave I got stabbed. With a knife. That makes me a stabbing victim. Or am I not middle aged female stranger enough for it to count?

I'm sure bkm could get the report, you all know my name.

This is very petty if you both. I'm going to retire from this thread.

Boo freaking hoo. You post this up when someone tries to provoke a discussion and express frustration with a broken system
So glad to have zero idea who or what you're all wasting time thinking about. and then when others try to explain it you try to somehow paint yourself with the same brush as a person who needlessly lost their life at the hand of someone who never should have been on US soil.

PS. I seriously doubt anyone will check out your report, you're just not that interesting.

[redsox]

I'm going to retire from this thread. Don't let yourself be limited to this thread.

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Appalling isn't a strong enough word for that "verdict". I only hope that these politicians who enable these types of crimes committed by people who SHOULD NOT BE HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE with their sanctuary cities or whatever feel the effects first hand someday. It's disgusting

[RIDE-RED 250r]

For frig's sakes Nico...

For frigs sake what John??? Damon asks... no begs.. for every bit of trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro that he gets.

[fabiodriven]

Joe, Nico, scooter... Think however you choose. I live on a different plane mentally than you guys. I don't care who you're referring to, doesn't matter that it's Damon.

At least scooter's grinder comment was funny, I must say.

[86T3]

The dude would care who Kate Steinle was if she was;
An acquaintance
A family member
Muslim
In one of the Twin Towers
A 9/11 Aternative Theorist
A witness to the Las Vegas massacre
Basically any other person than an innocent Jane Doe who had her life taken from her through the fault of policies that defy intelligent thought.

I used to think you were a semi intelligent human, now I know you are a crap stirring BS artist. Enjoy your life of fighting cops, marines, besting anyone you come in contact with, you're worthless to me

[fabiodriven]

Since we're all speaking for him, the dude;
Doesn't care about Kate Steinle for whatever reason he chooses, just as I don't
Is pro-human, not pro muslim
Has pissed me off before, but I've never seen a reason to stab him.

86T3;
Cares because he's supposed to
Feels strongly against brown people because he's been told to feel that way
Is jumping on a heavily populated bandwagon that likes to quiet, demean, and berate anyone whose ideals don't fit with his own, all the while accusing the opposition of the same thing.
Has no clue whose line he's towing

And for frig's sakes Nico, and Joe, and Scooter, for frig's fvcking sakes. Word it however you want Nico, that was poor form in my book. This is an internet forum, we're all a part of the same club. I'd stand up for any one of you, even the members I'm not crazy about, just because we are of the same group. You guys are OK with Nico suggesting he could see why someone would want to stab Damon, that's fine. I don't think it's OK. I don't watch the news like you guys, I don't go on the book, I don't watch or hear commercials. I watch things that would bore most people to death. I don't watch violence, I don't watch killing, I don't watch horror movies, I can't, nor would l like to if I could. From my shoes I'd like to say that you're all desensitized, but one could just as easily say I am "more sensitized" or something of that nature. I think you're acting like fvcking animals. I was noting to myself just yesterday, I really was, that it's been nice and peaceful on here this week. These news threads that come up I stay out of completely, I don't even open them once to peruse usually. For whatever reason I opened this one and I know dick-all about the news story, but you guys are like a pack of wolves. Yes, Damon begs, or has begged for most of what he gets, but the insinuation of violence... Maybe OK with you guys but not for me. Maybe I'm the one who's wrong here, but you guys seem ravenous to me. Increase the peace for frig's sakes. You, we, all of us will be mere animals as long as that's what we act like. The human race needs to evolve but I fear it will never happen. I put forth quite an effort to improve on myself and leave a positive impact for after I go. I got out of hand on here not that long ago and many of us have made amends. I was glad to get past that and grateful to have such good friends. I can only strive to reciprocate. Now this bowshit.

Multiple people in this thread I am in contact with regularly through phone calls, text, and meeting in person. I live alone, I don't go on the book, I don't go out much. People come by all the time but life has changed drastically. As anyone who really knows me knows, I cut people off. It happens a lot to a lot of people I know. I am in touch with Nico and Damon regularly outside of this forum, however I have not been in touch with either as much as I used to be, nor am I in touch with anyone as much as I used to be. I hide. I hide because human beings make me sick, and that could very well be my problem, but it is what it is.

I cut out the book, I cut people out regularly otherwise, and this forum has been my contact lately, my outlet, because I like these people. I like this group. We are different which sounds so cliche, but it really is the truth. Even if we butt heads at times. We argue, we solve the world's problems and sometimes create others, but if you're having thoughts of violence and laughing about it, that's your choice. Or if you're laughing about someone else physically acting out in violence against someone you know, you're desensitized to me. Nico you're a funny guy, but not everything is a joke to me. Other guys find it funny, that's great. Maybe I'm wrong again, happens all the time, but it ain't for me.

Joe B you kill stuff all the time. That's how you were brought up and what you know and there's nothing wrong with that in my opinion. I could never shoot a living creature like that, but that's just me. Neither of us are wrong or right, just different. We perceive stabbing, blood, and killing in two very different ways. I am not wrong in my feeling about making light of another member of this forum getting stabbed, regardless of how or who he's upset with his words on here. The guy has asked for attention and attention he gets, that's his fault, but I wouldn't say I can see why someone would want to stab him. I butt heads with Scooter a lot and at times I strongly dislike him, but you can bet your banana I'd stand next to him in a bar fight, and I certainly wouldn't say I can see why someone would want to stab him, or Nico, or anyone else on here.

So who gives a fack? I'm crazy, I don't know anything, I have nothing to do but gripe. Just another long winded post from your friendly kook who knows nothing of the real world. I'm wrong, you guys are right. Let's kill anything that's brown or lives freely and peacefully. To be honest, this forum is kind of my last line of communication with people online. I have no reason to check my phone during the day other than text messages, emails, and this forum. I want to say I'd like to cut this out of my life too right now but I'm not sure if I'd like to, not that it matters. I'm just bored at this point and thinking out loud. I've aged a bit lately, I'm grizzled. Call me a codger, hell, maybe someone will stab me! That would fix a lot.

You guys do what you want, not that you need my permission. Argue, berate, project, transfix, finger point, fvcking Thunder Dome. That's what you clowns need, Thunder Dome. You guys are either making me sick or I'm just getting worse on my own, could be either. FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!!

[Scootertrash]

Ya know, in all the scenarios I'd imagined, a dispute over a bar of dropped soap wasn't one of them. :lol:

Seriously though, you called it in your first post when you implied there would be comments about distractions, but I never thought someone would come on here and post that a stab wound that they seem to have survived could some how be equivalent to being shot in the back and KILLED while out for a stroll.



Dude, that must have been a heck of a tussle you were in. I recall you once posted (back in the DOHC days) that you single handedly disarmed a gun wielding out of control peace officer. Might be time to ask yourself if trouble is following you around, or if you're out looking for it? Given that your likely too proud to use the emergency services of a tax funded medical center to treat your wounds you may want to change your lifestyle a bit, or learn to sew flesh.


Might be time to ask yourself if trouble is following you around, or if you're out looking for it?

"If everybody else is the problem, maybe YOU'RE the problem."

Or, as my Grandfather used to say "If you meet an a**h0le in the morning, you just met an a**h0le. If you're meeting a**h0les all day, then you're the a**h0le"

I've been riding Harleys for 30+ years, hanging out in the vicinity of large gatherings of bikers including, but not limited to, members of 1%er OMCs, along with various "bottom of the barrel" dregs that the lifestyle attracts. A large majority of these gatherings included consumption of copius amounts of alcohol and various non prescription drugs. I have NEVER been stabbed, shot at, threatened, beat up, or even pushed around. You figure it out.


Given that your likely too proud to use the emergency services of a tax funded medical center to treat your wounds

Since he proudly proclaims to not pay taxes on his roughly 6-figure income, he shouldn't be allowed to use it anyways. He can pay cash for his poor choices.


learn to sew flesh

Sew flesh? C"mon El, that's rookie stuff. Real men use gunpowder:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX1ko3Oh8Ls

[RIDE-RED 250r]

I can't believe I have to say this on this forum....IT DOESNT HAVE A DAMN THING TO DO WITH BROWN PEOPLE!!!!

Talk about being disappointed in one another...I'm extremely disappointed that I have to make that statement......here.

[Scootertrash]

I can't believe I have to say this on this forum....IT DOESNT HAVE A DAMN THING TO DO WITH BROWN PEOPLE!!!!

Talk about being disappointed in one another...I'm extremely disappointed that I have to make that statement......here.

Quoted for truth

Thank You

[sledcrazyinCT]

The surprise acquittal of Jose Ines Garcia Zarate (http://www.businessinsider.com/garcia-zarate-shooting-kate-steinle-not-guilty-verdict-san-francisco-2017-11) in the shooting death of San Francisco woman Kate Steinle set off a firestorm of outrage (http://www.businessinsider.com/kate-steinle-garcia-zarate-trump-verdict-2017-11) Thursday night, as top conservatives and critics of so-called "sanctuary cities" pinned blame for Steinle's death on illegal immigration and insufficiently aggressive deportation policies.
Garcia Zarate, a 45-year-old Mexican national who was homeless and living in the US illegally when he fired the shot that killed Steinle, was acquitted by a jury on murder and manslaughter charges. The jury convicted him of the lesser charge of being a felon in possession of a gun, which carries a maximum sentence of three years in state prison.
Steinle, 32, was fatally shot while she walked along Pier 14 of the San Francisco Bay with her father in July 2015. The bullet that pierced her back had ricocheted off the concrete ground after it was fired by Garcia Zarate from a handgun belonging to a federal ranger that had been stolen four days earlier.
Garcia Zarate's defense attorneys argued that the shooting was an accident — they said he found the gun wrapped in a T-shirt or cloth under a pier bench and unintentionally discharged it.
Lead attorney Matt Gonzalez has argued (http://www.sfexaminer.com/guns-history-accidental-discharges/) that the weapon was a SIG Sauer with a "hair trigger in single-action mode" — a model well-known for accidental discharges even among experienced shooters. Gonzalez told the jury, according to the San Francisco Chronicle (http://www.sfchronicle.com/news/article/Jury-reaches-verdict-in-killing-of-Kate-Steinle-12396509.php?utm_campaign=twitter-premium&utm_source=CMS%20Sharing%20Button&utm_medium=social), that Garcia Zarate had never handled a firearm before, was frightened by the noise of the gunshot, then flung the weapon into the bay where it was later found by a diver.
Prosecutors, however, alleged that Garcia Zarate brought the weapon to the pier deliberately to do harm, and intentionally aimed and shot Steinle after firmly pulling the trigger. They said Garcia Zarate then threw the weapon into the bay and fled the scene.

[redsox]

I'm surprised he didn't do a 3-5 house time for littering in the San Francisco bay. They take THAT more seriously out there.

[sledcrazyinCT]

My problem with the trial was that the suspect's legal status was kept from the jurors. Why would an illegal who has been caught in America five times previously be afforded the same rights as an American citizen?

To me the fact Zarate was an illegal should have been disclosed to the jury since this fact should be weighed in determining his guilt. Hiding the fact this man is not American, but a foreigner with a previous criminal record is not justice.

[redsox]

Everyone thinks it won't happen to them.

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/milforddailynews/obituary.aspx?pid=153289288

This was a regular guy. Rode motorcycles. Worked on cars. Skateboarder. Regular, regular guy.

http://www.masslive.com/news/worcester/index.ssf/2014/05/nicolas_dutan_guaman_sentenced.html

[El Camexican]

Fabs, I do not have time at the moment to comment on all of what you wrote, but I’d like to make two points before I get on with my day.

I’ve met and worked with a number of stabbing victims and one shooting victim. Aside from violent wounds they all had one thing in common, the were all azzholes of the highest order. Based on Damon’s Internet demeanor it isn’t a hard stretch imagine him escalating a situation rather than trying to defuse it. Furthermore he informed us of it in a flippant manner as he did the passing of the innocent victim that the post was about. Remember the law of attraction? I suspect Damon’s cut was a result of it.

Secondly, some of us enjoy hunting. Hunting as I know it is not an act of violence. It is the continuation of tradition that made it possible for our species to get to the top of the food chain and it a great way to enjoy the outdoors and bond with friends and family. Hunting has always been part of our social structure. We don’t have to do it anymore in order to eat, but not that’s a decision personal choice and not one a politician or tree hugger should made.

[86T3]

John, i can cite everything I said about the dude, except for the fact that he would care if she was friend or family. Everything you said about me is assumed incorrectly. Dont believe me? Look up the George Zimmerman/Treyvon Martin thread, i argued that Zimmerman should have went to jail because I don't care what color the victim is. Now, i believe after the verdict, i changed my opinion because of the new information I read. The news outlets told that they got into a scuffle that George started, and it ended with Treyvon being murdered. That wasn't what happened, and that wasn't what was argued in court. Treyvon made it home after the scuffle, then went back out to find and confront George. That's why it wasn't murder.

There are a few things the iritated me about this case. The first was the loss of life. I don't care what color or religion anyone is, the loss of life upsets me. Hearing about a woman die in front of her family is upsetting to me, i don't understand how it could not be upsetting to you, the dude, or anyone else. Second, this was preventable if common sense laws were upheld. No new laws need to be put in place here, the existing ones would have prevented this tragedy if they were followed. And third, the murderer wasn't held accountable for his actions. I don't understand how this isn't upsetting to everyone. Maybe I care too much, Idk. The day before Thanksgiving a woman was walking her dog here in western NY, and was shot by a hunter who mistook her for a deer. It was after legal sunset and she died. The hunter was arrested and charged with manslaughter. https://www.google.com/amp/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/hunter-mistook-woman-deer-charged-manslaughter/story%3fid=51495064
Does this upset you Dude? John? Because it sure upsets me. It's a terrible situation for everyone involved, but i hope the hunter is held accountable for his action because he was wrong. Just like the OP. If you find a gun on, pick it up and it goes of you should be held responsible. Assuming the defense's argument was true. Its common sense to me.

And about the stabbing stuff, Nico never said he should be stabbed or wants him stabbed. Just that he could understand from years of watching dude troll people for the sake of attention, he could see how someone would stab him. Take the emotion out of it, it's logical.

And while I'm ranting about rules and accountability, how is someone who has a lifetime ban for threatening other members with violence (if I remember correctly) allowed to come back under a different name and continue his trolling ways??? Maybe I care too much, i guess i should learn to calm down a bit. Idk

[RIDE-RED 250r]

The plain and simple facts of the matter are that our government is charged by the Constitution to maintain our borders. We have some local and state governments that are not only negligent in allowing the feds to do that job, but in open defiance of our immigration laws and actually putting out welcome mats for these people. I haven't the slightest objection to the orderly and lawful immigration of people who want to come here for the right reasons and become contributing citizens. I welcome them warmly. But for a criminal who was deported 5 times with little or no consequence to kill a US citizen and then walk for it is beyond atrocious when you consider the stances taken by these hack leftists who only want them here because they see then as an eventual electorate to Garner votes from. Its rotten to the core!

[El Camexican]

Amazing isn’t it? Douche has once again managed to turn a thread he admittedly does not know or care about, on a website he claims to not care about into a thread about him. Not the first time, but the first time I can recall that he’s pushed the plight of a murder victim off to the side to inject his special brand of duchery up to the front of the line. He’s even posted numerous times since saying he was done on this thread. Quite the drama queen he is.

I’m going to try and ignore him like he isn’t here for a while, maybe a week, a month, maybe forever? Make him and his twisted social opinions as meaningless as the plight of this young woman is to him as I believe he craves the attention he gets stirring it up on here more than anything else.

Maybe he’ll go away, disappear like she has. I invite anyone else who’s had enough of his “victim of the system” attitude to join me in a silent protest against this person being allowed to return to this site against the will of the owners, moderators and even some members.

Adios Dude

[redsox]

I've also had enough of him. In recent retrospect, i've come to the conclusion that he not only starts fights with everyone, he causes fighting among others. I'm done with him. He retires like Kiss. Every 6 months he has a farewell tour.

[El Camexican]

You nailed it RedSox, I can’t help but wonder how many people I could have initiated and maintained meaningful relationships with if I haden’t allowed myself and my precious time on this Earth to be drawn into stupid spats with certain folks. Time to start fresh.

[fabiodriven]

Nico I think you misunderstood my point of view on hunting. I don't need an explanation why people hunt, I have no problem with other people hunting.

Joe S, when you insinuate that Damon would stand up for someone just because they are Muslim, it also insinuates that you would not stand up for someone because they are Muslim, or it is wrong for someone to stand up for someone who is Muslim. Our media has made it OK for you to be racist or an anti-Semite or whatever the correct terminology would be to not like Muslim people, hence my "brown people" comment. Whether you are aware or not, that's what our media has done to you and the rest of the country. It is OK and acceptable for Muslim people to be talked down about. And for the record, if you'd truly like to know how intelligent or not Damon is, you could both take IQ tests. I'll even take one as well. That would be a very simple way to see if you're right about that or not. I'd love to see that happen. I've been wanting to take one myself anyways.

Joe B, I think you might be misunderstanding my brown people comment, or I'm not conveying myself properly. That comment has nothing to do with the subject at hand, this "Kate Steinle" case. I know nothing about that and my brown people comment was not meant as a comment for this case. It was as I explained above. Also I hope you didn't misunderstand what I said about hunting as Nico did. I have no problem with people hunting.

Damon I like you, but it's a lonely club I'm in. I know, you don't care. Many of these guys are right though, you stir the pot something fierce. I cannot blame them for the way they feel about you (violence aside). It's unfortunate because you are a very smart guy, despite what these guys may try to say. Maybe it's not unfortunate, maybe this is all you know, but everything doesn't have to devolve into a shite show like this. Your views are strong, so are mine, and so are many of the other peoples' posting here, and whether or not you agree with them you must respect their right to their own beliefs. I know, you feel you don't owe them or anyone anything, including that respect, but these guys are making some points. Too much negativity is centralized around you and your comments.

The friggin mob mentality doesn't help though. I've watched Damon attempt to better himself on here and even when he tries you guys cut him right down first opportunity you get. Damon may have a tough history. Some may be his fault and some may not, however fighting negativity with more negativity does not help, especially in the moments when he is trying not to be so offensive. Nico specifically in my opinion. My view has changed of you Nico, since you've really started to put the screws to Damon. I've already touched on that subject before so no need to elaborate. I feel it really cheapens you, just my opinion.

I'm not looking to get into another one of "these" (too late) and I have no idea what this news story is so I'd like to just exit at this point. I hope I've covered all bases with everyone and I hope you guys can learn to get along with each other, and I hope you can help everyone do that Damon.

[RIDE-RED 250r]

John, I did misunderstand your brown people comment. Thank you for further clarifying.

As to your stance on hunting, I took no offence whatsoever. I understand we are not all the same and you are just as free to refrain from such activities as I am to engage in them.

I know we don't see eye to eye on every issue, but posts like the one you made above is why I still respect you as a friend despite our disagreements. THAT is how it's supposed to work.

As to the Muslim topic, I feel it to be a very tricky one and probably best left to another thread.

[86T3]

I liked your post John, you were thoughtful as always. I didn't explain my self correctly, as always. The Muslim example was used as a way to show Dude's contrarian nature. I think it is wrong to stand up for someone for the sole reason that they are Muslim. I had a very good friend in college who is a Muslim. We drank, partied, etc. I would stand up for him as a friend and as a good person. I wouldn't blindly stand up for anyone I don't know just because they are a Muslim. I'm just not that good with explaining things, its another reason I didn't become a teacher.

My response to Damon was my own, it wasnt influenced by anything anyone said before me.
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[fabiodriven]

Fantastic! I love you all! Group hug!

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Lol!!!!! :beer

[redsox]

I defended him when he came back as well. I was wrong to do so. How many chances does he get? You know what did it for me? I think you'd be surprised. It was when the kid from Vermont said that there isn't much good riding in VT and Damon berated him. He knows better. No matter the subject, Damon knows better than anyone. Just ask him. Damon could tell Tiger Woods how to drive a golf ball. He's just that good. But, he doesn't care. He's above it all. He's not interested in these plebeian dalliances. He's got better things to do. Again, just ask him.

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Here's the way I see it. I don't think it's mob mentality at all. He comes in here with his very abrasive tone and passive/aggressive sociopathic ways. He seems to lack the ability to interact with people without insulting, belittling, berating those who don't share his view on things. I think that people who in the past just kept our mouths shut for the sake of keeping the peace have just had a belly full of it and are calling it for what it is. Its the very same behavior Mickey would engage in that many people here hated so much, but it's not religious views we are being pounded with, it's political views. The whole point of debate is to try and convince the other side that you are right. That can never happen when all you do is insult people. It's as if he is a wanna-be forum shock-jock whose sole mission is to make the biggest spectacle of a thing that he can. Sometimes it just gets to a point that enough is enough. I know he's a smart guy and I can converse with him on topics to do with Motorsports and whatnot, but politics?? I can't take it any more and I don't think I'm alone on that.

[Scootertrash]

Damon asks... no begs.. for every bit of trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro that he gets.


Aside from violent wounds they all had one thing in common, the were all azzholes of the highest order. Based on Damon’s Internet demeanor it isn’t a hard stretch imagine him escalating a situation rather than trying to defuse it. Remember the law of attraction? I suspect Damon’s cut was a result of it.


Amazing isn’t it? Douche has once again managed to turn a thread he admittedly does not know or care about, on a website he claims to not care about into a thread about him. Not the first time, but the first time I can recall that he’s pushed the plight of a murder victim off to the side to inject his special brand of duchery up to the front of the line. He’s even posted numerous times since saying he was done on this thread. Quite the drama queen he is.


He retires like Kiss. Every 6 months he has a farewell tour.


Here's the way I see it. I don't think it's mob mentality at all. He comes in here with his very abrasive tone and passive/aggressive sociopathic ways. He seems to lack the ability to interact with people without insulting, belittling, berating those who don't share his view on things. I think that people who in the past just kept our mouths shut for the sake of keeping the peace have just had a belly full of it and are calling it for what it is.
It's as if he is a wanna-be forum shock-jock whose sole mission is to make the biggest spectacle of a thing that he can. Sometimes it just gets to a point that enough is enough.


How many chances does he get?

He knows better. No matter the subject, Damon knows better than anyone. Just ask him. Damon could tell Tiger Woods how to drive a golf ball. He's just that good. He's above it all. Again, just ask him.

I'm glad I read all of your guys posts, saved me a lot of typing ;)

Maybe the similarities between the illegal alien shooter and the Dude is what rubs him the wrong way?

Dude has been "deported" what, 4 or 5 or more times? Only to "sneak back across the border", play nice for awhile, then reveal himself and try to convince others he's a changed man. It doesn't take long for him to go back to the same behavior that got him 86'ed in the first place. He's trying to force others to accept him instead of fixing his behavior.

As redsox said, dude always has a "one up" story. Just a little better, a little more dramatic, or a little more pitiful that someone else. It really starts to reek of attention whore.

If he actually had a rough life, crappy childhood, or whatever, It's up to him to figure out how to deal with it. The world doesn't owe anybody anything for how their life has evolved. I'll preface this next comment with this: It's a generalization and not necessarily directed at The Dude. I'm not making accusations or assuming anything when I say: Whether it's bad parenting, poor life choices, or someone just got the sh!tty end of the stick in life, it's no one else's fault, and others can only do so much to help fix it. The majority of the weight of fixing a shitty situation falls on the shoulders of the individual involved.

When others do try to help and the behavior doesn't change.............

Lastly, his behavior isn't unique to 3WW. He has a reputation for the same type of behavior on other websites.

You ladies have a nice day! (Yea, you too Dude) I'm heading outside shortly, this weather ain't gonna last much longer.

[El Camexican]

The whole point of debate is to try and convince the other side that you are right. That can never happen when all you do is insult people.

Well said Sir. I love a good debate and sharing opinions, but lately it seems that if one disagrees with the convictions of others it jumps straight to insults. Yes, guilty as charged, but I’d like to think I’m not the one throwing the first stone in most cases.

Along with this there seems to be some folks on here with very thin skin who are more than eager to start or inject themselves into a controversial topic, but as soon as differing opinion is put up that contradicts their’s it’s a problem. They can dish it out by the shovel, but they start to choke and gag when they get a spoonful back.

I would think the Forum title of “OPEN” would be sufficient warning in itself that when someone posts up their thoughts here, no matter how deep or shallow they are exposing them to the masses for interpretation, interaction and perhaps even ridicule.

If they simply want to post their thoughts on a topic and call it a day, they can start a thread, put their post up and close the thread. Or they can not close the thread and accept that regardless of how convinced they are of their opinion that there will always be someone else with a different one and that that persons convictions on the subject may be equal or greater than there own.

When one enters into a debate they must first acsept that at some point they may have to be able to agree to disagree with the other side. Inability to do so is what leads to everything from dissolved friendships to wars.

[Poco Loco]

So glad to have zero idea who or what you're all wasting time thinking about.

If you think this is a waste of time, then your most likely part of the problem.

[Poco Loco]

It's now a sanctuary STATE, not just a city. He picked up a gun, pointed it in the direction of people and pulled the trigger and the bullet hit someone and killed them. 5 time deported felon and obviously a danger to the public, and they found him NOT guilty on all counts. This state is completely nuts and backwards and getting worse every day.

The only charge that stuck was ...Illegal possession of a firearm..... Un-fricken believable! I dont know enough about this "dude" dude, but the doucherie run deep in this one.

[RIDE-RED 250r]

And that's just it, I'm no BAR certified attorney but I believe the charge of manslaughter certainly applies here. You can be charged with that crime when you accidentally cause the death of another human being through your own negligence. The fact that he is a 5-time deported illegal and in a state where the politicians are in open defiance of immigration laws allowing pukes like this to stay makes it that much worse. Too bad the mayor in San Fran and the governor are not brought up on charges as an accessory in that crime!

[RIDE-RED 250r]

And this whole putrid idea of "sanctuary" cities and states.... Sanctuaries from what????!!! The rule of law???? Equal protection and application of the law?? It's utterly despicable and a cheap attempt to pander to the leftists wet dream that they become a voting block!

No non-citizen has an inherent or constitutional right to enter this country without our permission, none, zero, nada. But hey, we live in a time where our elected representatives play games with the constitution, ignoring some parts, upholding others, and inventing parts that plainly do not exist.

[El Camexican]

No non-citizen has an inherent or constitutional right to enter this country without our permission, none, zero, nada.

Somewhere out there is an Indian wishing some would have put that on a sign and stuck it up on Plymouth Rock a few hundred years ago.

Seriously thought, times change, wars are fought and laws are established. The issue over the past 50 years or so in the USA is a lack of will to enforce them as you well know. You can thank your pass the buck career politicians for this mess. You absolutely need immigration, but not illegal immigration.

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Couldn't agree more Nico

[redsox]

I'm always surprised and impressed with the intellect of the members here (including Damon). Its also a great cross-section of society. People form all over. Each one fighting their own battle. Brought together by this one weird, quirky, AWESOME commonality. The word "diversity" gets tossed around all the time. This site is truly a diverse group. I enjoy coming here, asking questions, and learning. I don't care to fight, but i do like to argue a point. The difference between the two is what some fail to comprehend. I wanted to add that, but i'll move back to the topic at hand.

There is a case here in Massachusetts where a disabled man drove into the front of a restaurant and killed a couple of innocent people. He has a condition where he is slowly losing the ability to use his legs. Its not ALS, but its similar. Anyway, here is a guy who has grown to adulthood without a run in with the law. He gets this horrible disease through no fault of his own, and yet he still tries to maintain his independence. Well, the worst happened and people were killed. Its bad. They charge the guy with motor vehicle homicide. He's gonna go to jail. A decent person, who is dealt a bad hand, is going to jail. I can't help but wonder what would have happened to him if he was an illegal immigrant.

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2017/12/01/judge-makes-recommendations-for-driver-in-fatal-sweet-tomatoes-crash/

[El Camexican]

The way that US law varies from state to state is very interesting to me as compared to Canadian law which for the most part falls under federal (RCMP) jurisdiction as soon as it’s even remotely important.

So back in 2008 I’m spending a lot of time in Houston with some locals and a case comes up where a guy saw two people robbing his neighbors home, called 911 and told them to hurry up and come get these guys because if they step foot on his property he was going to shoot them. The 911 operator kept telling him to go back in his house and wait, but he kept repeating that if they come into his yard he’s going to shoot them.

Sure enough these two boys start walking towards the old man and you can hear him loud and clear on the telephone telling them to stop, turn around and get off his property or he will shoot them. A few seconds later you hear the gunshots.

He put them both in bed with two shots. No charges were ever filed even though a certain sector of the community which these criminals were from was upset over it, common sense prevailed. I love Texas. The don’t put up with any crap. Friendliest petiole you’ll ever meet if you behave like a visitor and the most bad ass cowboys around when someone tries to harm another person.

[86T3]

And that's just it, I'm no BAR certified attorney but I believe the charge of manslaughter certainly applies here. You can be charged with that crime when you accidentally cause the death of another human being through your own negligence. The fact that he is a 5-time deported illegal and in a state where the politicians are in open defiance of immigration laws allowing pukes like this to stay makes it that much worse. Too bad the mayor in San Fran and the governor are not brought up on charges as an accessory in that crime!

In this crazy world we live in, i would believe that the victim's family could launch a wrongful death suit against the people behind the sanctuary city nonsense. I never liked suits of this type because money can't bring the poor woman back, but assigning blame here could be huge in changing how local governments ignore immigration laws

[RIDE-RED 250r]

I hear ya Joe. I'm not a fan of nutsy civil suits either. I'd like to see those mooks criminally charged

[ironchop]

It runs a tad deeper than the above mentioned items...... kate was used as an example of failed immirgration policies in california by Donald Trump during the election cycle when he was campagianing. He brought her name up often. And for good reason.

Now the liberal stronghold of San Francisco and its jury pool to pic from has given Trump, and Kates family and all who voted for Trump, the middle finger. Justice means nothing to the Liberals, they just want revenge. No morals at all.


Poco nailed it.

There is one fundamental difference between this guy and any other homeless or poor American felony defendant. Thus guy had the full fund-raising force of Liberal outrage on his side and was HEAVILY represented in court thanks to the donations from pathological altruists who are merely protecting the agenda and not the subject. Seriously, there were several folks bankrolling this guys defense only because they were protecting the ideology they vote for. These are the true racists. They never really care about any of the "immigrants" or "refugees" that they pretend to care about. If a Republican professed to hate broccoli, Liberals would line up to start broccoli gardens in every back yard in San Francisco as a way to nurture feel-good nonsense and throw a middle finger at conservatives. Its about the battle between Right and Left and it has been for a very long time. The foreign folks are merely pawns to each side. Useful idiots? No, useful immigrants. Adults these days are as petty as their juvenile counterparts are and most are not very far removed from their highschool days thanks to social feedback loops like social media provides.

This case was stacked against the victim, not because the assailant was a "poor immigrant" but because he elicited ire from most conservatives and most of those folks in favor of Rule of Law. This was never about "justice". It was always about politics. Its not about brown folks. Its about maintaining Liberal dominance of domestic policy. its not about "creating a better life for Latino immigrants from Mexico, and Central and South America. Its about San Francisco maintaining their self-righteous pet projects and protecting California`s self-defeating policies on immigration. Same is true of Obamacare. When I CAN find an eloquent and thoughtful Liberal to discuss the subject, they almost always end up agreeing that Obamacare is forced capitalism but stop short of shutting off support for such stupid ideas because ultimately, it casts a poor light on their own reason and decision-making skills. Its akin to defending your POS girlfriend or boyfriend to your parents because you are embarrassed that they "told you so" long before you realized it. Its all about not having to admit you were wrong.

Its not about justice. Its about winning against "the Nazis".....to them, their entire ideology that they have invested all their emotional effort in was on trial in San Fran. Might just as well called it The State of California, City of San Francisco, and random homeless Latino immigrant VS. Conservative America.

Funny how they have raised tens of thousands to help homeless Latinos ( San Francisco has been trying to get rid of all homeless people secretly for years now, ironically) skip a murder rap but the same "anti-racists" lift NO fingers to help those homeless who aren't shooting women tourists because they were bored or ignorant. Nothing more racist than using a man of different ethnic background to further your political agenda. Same as using a man of different ethnicity to pick all your cotton for free. But hey, it helps these people sleep at night, right? Do they think white homeless deserve less consideration and effort than Latinos? Apparently so. That's called racism.

But hey, "I'm an activist" so they'll send $50 to a GoFudMe account for "Justice for Pedro", they`ll change their FB profile pic to the Mexican flag and say stupid shyt like "I am Pancho Villa" and "Che Rules".....not because they give a rats behind but because it gives them the illusion of looking like "I`m on the right side of history" or "anti-fash" or of moral superiority to anyone whom doesn't agree. Its honestly sickening. Hundreds of thousands of homeless INCLUDING VETERANS and the only homeless person Liberal Establishment cares about is the brown one....because Trump makes me cry

There is no such thing as pure Altruism.....people do good for other people because of what they themselves get from it. You may feel good about helping other less fortunate people. You may be trying to score with a Liberal chick. You may be trying to impress your friends on social media with your feigned righteous indignation or your protestations against generic "oppression" but no matter what your motive, you do things like this ultimately because of how it makes YOU feel. It could be argued that Altruism helps those in need no matter the personal agenda of the giver, which I agree, but its time to stop pretending in ideals like selflessness and altruism because nothing is ever as it appears on the outside and a specific group likes to hide behind all this smoke and mirrors.

The fact remains, anyone with enough money can skip a murder or manslaughter rap. Ask OJ. Ask that "affluenza" kid who killed those people drunk driving. The system isn't stacked against non-whites like CNN and Democraps lead you to believe. Its stacked against the Poor. White poor. Black poor. Brown poor. All poor. You getting a public defender means you get a jail sentence guaranteed. That's why this guy walked. All the Liberal donors to his defence fund ensured he would walk and that "the ideology" of Sanctuary Cities survives to see another day (Ill bet Cali gets BILLIONS from the federal gov for these people or else broke-assed Cali wouldn't care about him one bit). Nobody cares one bit of some homeless white trash guy in California was killing people (its happened) but you put the "ethnic victim of the Week" on the news and now everyone feels so sorry for him and therefore his life is worth more than Jim Bob`s life....because racism.

I`ll find the Malcolm X interview where he says exactly that much....that Liberal democrats use minorities to further political gain and control while duping them into voting for their brand of racism. Nothing has changed since he was assassinated. I know alot of folks don't care for Mr. X but he had a knack for labeling things more accurately than most (I didn't say he was right about everything he ever said)

https://youtu.be/0Jfp0_vIn2U

https://youtu.be/gTI4PD-2QLQ

[barnett468]

In this crazy world we live in, i would believe that the victim's family could launch a wrongful death suit against the people behind the sanctuary city nonsense.

They did.

It failed.

"Steinle's family filed a lawsuit in 2016 alleging that San Francisco and its former sheriff were partly to blame for Steinle's death, because officials never notified Immigration and Customs Enforcement when Garcia Zarate was released from a local jail in April 2015. City officials have said they're not liable for a former inmate's actions."


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[sledcrazyinCT]

Heard over the weekend a House Rep has proposed a bill that would imprison and fine elected officials of Sanctuary Cities. The fine could reach $1,000,000 max penalty. I say hit them where they cave, in their budgets.

[86T3]

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The fact remains, anyone with enough money can skip a murder or manslaughter rap. Ask OJ. Ask that "affluenza" kid who killed those people drunk driving. The system isn't stacked against non-whites like CNN and Democraps lead you to believe. Its stacked against the Poor. White poor. Black poor. Brown poor. All poor. You getting a public defender means you get a jail sentence guaranteed. That's why this guy walked. All the Liberal donors to his defence fund ensured he would walk and that "the ideology" of Sanctuary Cities survives to see another day (Ill bet Cali gets BILLIONS from the federal gov for these people or else broke-assed Cali wouldn't care about him one bit). Nobody cares one bit of some homeless white trash guy in California was killing people (its happened) but you put the "ethnic victim of the Week" on the news and now everyone feels so sorry for him and therefore his life is worth more than Jim Bob`s life....because racism.

I`ll find the Malcolm X interview where he says exactly that much....that Liberal democrats use minorities to further political gain and control while duping them into voting for their brand of racism. Nothing has changed since he was assassinated. I know alot of folks don't care for Mr. X but he had a knack for labeling things more accurately than most (I didn't say he was right about everything he ever said)

https://youtu.be/0Jfp0_vIn2U

https://youtu.be/gTI4PD-2QLQ

^^^Truth^^^

[sledcrazyinCT]

So what are you guys mad about again?

Do you think it was murder or what?

Do you think the jury that studied the evidence is wromg?

A pilled out homeless guy picked up a loaded gun and fired a round. How sheltered are you guys?

What does him being an immigrant have to do with anything?

Where is the liability to the moron that left his gun laying there? None?

It was a ricochet, correct?


All serious questions.


Yes ricochet

I have not heard what occurred to the federal Bureau of Land Management who left his side arm in his vehicle used in this killing

Being an illegal alien means that he had no right to reside in USA and become a pilled out homeless trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro playing with a gun...that is the entire point of this BS verdict

The jury was not aware of the fact this criminal was an illegal alien. The jurors should have known this POS was a criminal illegal. Why was this fact kept from the jurors?

Finally the jury should have found defendant guilty of negligent homicide. Just because he found the gun and it went off accidentally killing a person is no different then a person running a red light and t boning another car resulting in a death of passenger in other vehicle.

[barnett468]

Anyway, here is a guy who has grown to adulthood without a run in with the law. He gets this horrible disease through no fault of his own, and yet he still tries to maintain his independence. Well, the worst happened and people were killed. Its bad. They charge the guy with motor vehicle homicide. He's gonna go to jail. A decent person, who is dealt a bad hand, is going to jail. I can't help but wonder what would have happened to him if he was an illegal immigrant.

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2017/12/01/judge-makes-recommendations-for-driver-in-fatal-sweet-tomatoes-crash/


"His attorney has said he's too sick w/MS to handle jail."
He is too sick to go to jail yet he was well enough to drive a car into innocent people and kill them? https://www.mustang.org.au/forum/Smileys/smilies/thud.gif


"Your honor, although my client was well enough to spray a schoolyard with an uzi killing 32 children, we ask that he be given home confinement because he is too sick to handle jail.". :rolleyes:



"Prosecutors earlier said Casler’s Multiple Sclerosis did not play a factor in the crash – but speed did." https://www.mustang.org.au/forum/Smileys/smilies/shrug.gif

"Prosecutors say Casler drove his Volkswagen SUV through a red light and intersection, hitting several cars before crashing through the front of the restaurant."
https://www.mustang.org.au/forum/Smileys/smilies/burnout.gif

"Your honor, it's not his fault because they had a sign in front clearly stating it was a "drive through" restaurant." https://www.mustang.org.au/forum/Smileys/smilies/hysterical.gif


There is no mention in the link you posted that he has "never had a "run in with the law." or that he crashed because his disease made it impossible for his legs to operate the pedals, although I'm confident there is more to the story than what is written in this link, however, if in fact his condition was the cause, and he was fully aware that he could have an episode at any time that would prohibit him from operating a vehicle safely, he then in fact willfully and intentionally endangered himself and peoples lives and should rot in jail for quite a while.

Also, if he was fully aware that he could have an episode at any time that would prohibit him from operating a vehicle safely, he in fact is NOT a decent person, but is careless, reckless, and selfish, with little, to no regard, for the safety of others etc.

In addition, if his doctor had determined that it was unsafe for him to operate a vehicle, he should have notified the department of motor vehicles whom should have addressed the situation. f his doctor determined it was unsafe for him to drive but he did not notify the department of motor vehicles, he is also partially liable. If he did notify the dmv and they took no action, they are partially responsible.

As far as maintaining his independence and possibly not wanting to be a burden to others by having them drive him around etc, if his condition affected his legs but not affect his arms in any way, he could simply have had his vehicle outfitted with hand controls just like thousands of other disabled people have. Obviously not everyone has the money to have this done, however, being poor is not a valid excuse to endanger the lives of others and possibly kill some of them.


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[ironchop]

We've been here before....Crank it

https://youtu.be/g0Lvm5fyKU0

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[barnett468]

being an illegal alien means that he had no right to reside in usa...

Correct.



...that is the entire point of this bs verdict

Incorrect.



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[sledcrazyinCT]

"Just because he found the gun and it went off accidentally killing a person is no different then a person running a red light and t boning another car resulting in a death of passenger in other vehicle."

Yes exactly, and the majority of accidental fatalities do not result in homocide convictions. I will concede that when under the influence it matters, but did the jury not know he was intoxicated?
Was the jury comprised of illegals?

There are a lot of immigrants. The only reason it matters is because border closers want to use it as an emotional pry bar.

Jury was unaware that defendant was illegal alien with previous criminal record. To me that is wrong for a judge to hold back this information. For the record I approve of legal immigration only, and expect elected officials follow the laws set forth in this country.

Emotional prybar? WTF does that mean. You of all people should be up for security on U.S. borders since food has become so scarce with a worldwide shortage.....people are starving by the billions all over the globe just because some humans are irresponsible and continue to procreate when our natural resources can't sustain current populations.

[ironchop]

Jury was unaware that defendant was illegal alien with previous criminal record. To me that is wrong for a judge to hold back this information. For the record I approve of legal immigration only, and expect elected officials follow the laws set forth in this country..

The judges are as biased as ever and are SPECIFICALLY chosen by their respective political handlers and voters alike as such and specifically for their personal political biases.....hence the whole Dem/Repub throwdown over who gets to nominate a SCJ for the past several years. I`m sure this goon was no exception. These few years (decades) has seen numerous cases of the personal political bias of judges used to exert rule of law on political opponents for political reasons much like the IRS was busted for doing during the Kenyan administration. You only have the illusion of Justice and fairness in due process.

On a side note, Bowling Green is a Sanctuary city dominated by Liberal douche nozzles....to be fair, if undocumented immigrants voted republican, the sides would be switched for certain and Democrats would call for a wall all the way to Hawaii to keep out "Fascists" as those immigrants would soon be called.

However, here the ultimate agenda of these Liberals is on full display. Bosnians, Cambodians, Turks, Russians, Nepalese, Thai, Malaysian, Turkish Russians, Laotians, Burmese, SOmalians, Rwandans, Vietnamese, Ukranians, Crimeans, Macedonians, Serbians (nearby in Nashvegas), etc, etc. If its an arab, Asian, or African muslim refugee, theres an brand new section 8 apartment complex being built here in town to house the influx....over twenty complexes so far in two years.

You want to know where these "do-gooders" put these new housing units? You want to know how much these Lefties like diversity? You want to know how NOT RACIST these leftists want you to think they are? I`ll tell you.

THEY PUT ALL THESE REFUGEES AND IMMIGRANTS IN THE TRADITIONALLY AFRICAN AMERICAN NEIGHBORHOODS IN TOWN. That's right......they put them all on the other side of town. They don't move these people they "care about" so much into their own upper middle class neighborhoods. They don't want Bosnians and Somalians going to school with THEIR children. They wont even shop at the same Walmart that these people shop at. We have a "dark" Walmart and a "white" Walmart. They stay on the white side of town. They shop at white businesses and frequent predominately white areas. Meanwhile, they tweet away about how "inclusive" they are, how much white people suck, how much trump sucks, how much better Libs are than conservatives. They are scared to death of anyone here with brown skin.....meanwhile, the poorer white folks shop at the dark Walmart because they truly don't care who is inside and its closer to all the trailer parks. Once a year, every good BG Liberal shows up to International Festival to try out some Somali chicken tenders or a Ukranian cupcake and profess their undying loyalty to the idea of diversity and inclusivity along with all the ignorant kids at Western Kentucky U and when its all over, they split off into their little cliques and go home to the same neighborhood next to all the other white liberals pretending to be selfless and 'on the right side'....its honestly pathetic. They also have taken to running all the homeless out of town and then do such things as the BGPD Holiday Blankets for the Homeless campaign as if it makes up for this hypocrisy. They are giving away cheap housing, free food, free healthcare, job placement, job training, small business startup loans to Duk To Hung and Alawadi bin Salem but they shutdown all the public showers in our city parks because homeless people don't deserve a free hot shower because it encourages them to camp out in the park and we cant have people dependent on city services for basic hygiene. Perhaps if they expatriated to Honduras and then came back undocumented, a Liberal would actually give a damn. Until homeless people are the agenda again, they only way one of them will get attention is by being an illegal. They`ll see these democrats again though when they send interns into those neighborhoods every couple years to canvas and pass out voting instructions on how to vote Democrat.

Democrats prefer to throw taxpayer funds at these people from the other side of town. Then again, Ive been told by some of them that they voted for Hillary because she was a woman and Obama because he was black so I cant say I'm surprised in the least. It would be foolish to think that such obviously biased, sexist, and racist people could be trusted with important decisions at the ballot box or the jury pool. Try finding 12 conservative jurors in San Francisco.....Hell, I challenge you to find six. He couldn't have killed someone in a more accommodating city than the one he squatted in. Now if he were a mere homeless Latino with no chance at being a pawn for Fienstein/Pelosi/ Donkey Party Inc, he would have been rounded up and thrown out of livin under the 101 and perhaps Kate would still be alive and Prophets of Rage would've written another song about it......Leftist madness.

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/San-Francisco-homeless-camp-swept-from-Cesar-7445715.php

This case is no different. It never was about immigrants. Its all about Left vs. Right. Its not about a ricochet either. It isn't about a misplaced gun. You didn't intend to hit a guy and kill him with your car after 14 beers but you did and now you get a manslaughter charge just like the two drivers that killed two of my friends... and my friend from HS with no priors who got drunk at a party playing with a shotgun when we were in our twenties and killed his best friend accidentally....seven years in prison for involuntary manslaughter.....but if he`d had money for a better defense or maybe been undocumented, he would have stood a better chance of being crowd-funded by Rachel Madcow sycophants and walked free for diversity sake. You mean to tell me that those people`s blood-alcohol content was admissive in court but that Garcia guy admitting being high on sleeping pills was not? You show me a white or black American citizen seven-time felon who walks for the same charge. I wonder how this makes black folks feel. While they are fighting hard nationally to be recognized as citizens with rights to our Justice System, Garcia walks free for the same thing a black man would have received seven years or more in prison and it was based not on his priors, as black folks would be, but based solely on the condition of his citizenship, the economic ability to have a good defense team because he is a political pawn of Latino ethnicity, and a political climate that exhaults all undocumented peoples and only few blacks when it suits the political careers of some. Apparently white Liberals have decided Mexicans are worthy of due process more than American blacks. The proof is in the concerted effort to get him off. I`m waiting for that half-white guy Kaperdick who speaks for all blacks somehow to take a knee in front of the Golden Gate bridge in protest.

Anyone who says this is due process is fooling themselves. Our American Justice system, right down to the juries, are stacked just like our Electoral System is to ensure that only the powerful decide who is worthy of civil rights and representation under the law and who is not. You either buy your own verdict through cash and lawyers or you use political leverage.

And Sled, I`m with you on approving of legal immigration too. But since the Left has turned even that into xenophobia or racism, every dingbat fack-up all over this country wails incessantly about how The Right wants all immigration prevented or obstructed. Its like saying pro-choice folks only want to kill all the babies on the planet. I think its a personality disorder, honestly.

Funny, huh? "Don't you dare stereotype me while I`m stereotyping you". I'm under no impression that a wall will stop a damn thing. Just ask those Cartel tunnel crews digging under San Diego right now how effective a wall will be.

[RIDE-RED 250r]

"Just because he found the gun and it went off accidentally killing a person is no different then a person running a red light and t boning another car resulting in a death of passenger in other vehicle."

Yes exactly, and the majority of accidental fatalities do not result in homocide convictions. I will concede that when under the influence it matters, but did the jury not know he was intoxicated?
Was the jury comprised of illegals?

There are a lot of immigrants. The only reason it matters is because border closers want to use it as an emotional pry bar.

Here is a comparative example for you to consider Damon...

As a nearly 20 year CDL-A holder, I can tell you a few things about truck drivers and how easily something that was not the truck driver's fault becomes the truck driver's fault. Any time a commercial vehicle is involved in a fatal accident, that truck is impounded and treated as evidence and then gone over with a very fine toothed comb checking all of the major systems on the truck for anything wrong. Things like brake adjustments, brake component condition, brake component absence, suspension components, and on and on. Along with those things, the driver's log book is investigated several days back in time before the accident. Also, the driver is required by law to be drug and alcohol tested immediately after the accident. If ANY of these things show that the truck should not have been in that spot at that time to be involved in the accident in the first place, be it mechanical violations, log book violations, or the driver tested positive for drugs or alcohol, the whole thing is pinned on the driver. The way they look at it is even if a drunk ran a red light and went under the trailer, that truck should never have been there in the first place.

The way many of us see it, is that guy should not have been in this country to "accidentally" discharge that weapon in the first place. And beyond that, in Cali I'm sure it is illegal for a non-licensed individual to posses a handgun, besides the fact that in general, non-citizens are not permitted to posses a firearm of any kind unless that person has navigated the red tape to use a firearm in a guided hunt or other such legitimate purpose. So besides the fact he shouldn't have been here in the first place, he by his own actions committed a crime that any one of the rest of us would have been charged with and most likely convicted of.

As to the agent who "lost" his sidearm?? I'm sure he is dealing with some pretty serious repercussions (as he should IMHO) but I admit I have not dug into that aspect of this topic.

And one more thing: firearms in proper mechanical condition do not "accidentally go off"... I seriously doubt that agent's weapon was mechanically compromised

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Damn I've missed you Doug!

The singular answer to ALL of these problems we are trying to endure is to get back to the Constitution and get back to being a nation of laws and not men. I know it's cliche to say it, but it's true.

[RIDE-RED 250r]

I disagree Damon. Yes, the rightful "owner" bears a level of responsibility for losing his weapon. And being that CA is just as strict if not more so than my home state of NY when it comes to firearms, I' pretty confident something is happening on that front.

However, let's forget that Garcia was here illegally for a second. He, by his own actions, picked up a firearm he was prohibited from even touching at that point, placed his finger on the trigger and pulled. You accounting of your own accidental discharge of a weapon indicates a clear violation of one of several rules in firearms handling that should never be taken for granted. And that is to keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready and committed to destroy something. You do not have to understand the English language to know this, so in this sense his immigration status is moot. There are other ways he could have handled finding that weapon laying on the ground, all would have been better than picking it up and pulling the trigger causing the death of that woman. That action alone is negligent homicide or manslaughter and neither have a thing to do with his immigration status. His immigration status coupled with the categorical defiance of immigration law by these "sanctuary-fill-in-the-blank" and their elected leaders adds insult to the injury because frankly, he never should have been here to commit the crime. I would expect any other citizen to be charged, tried, and hopefully convicted for this act. The case that Joe S referenced that just occurred this past Thanksgiving Eve involving a deer hunter shooting well after legal shooting hours killing a woman who was walking her dogs 200 yards away. He has formally been charged with manslaughter and rightfully faces 5-15 years. It all comes back to the personal responsibility when handling a firearm.

[RIDE-RED 250r]

I don't disagree with you on most of that Damon and I don't take it that you are excusing the action. But I don't think it made headlines simply because brown killed white. It made headlines because it is 5-time deported illegal kills citizen. That is the hot politics of it and why it made headlines IMHO for the reason that he shouldn't have been here in the first place. I don't believe there is or should be any extra penalty for the charge due to his status, I guess I'm just trying to say it makes the whole thing that much more of a tragedy because the failure of one system (Immigration) was the first domino in the chain of events that resulted in the loss of innocent life and IMHO the gross failure of another system. (the justice system). And further tragedy is the fairly obvious miscarriage of justice because of politics and not rule of law

[redsox]

Just catching up here. Chop,, two GREAT posts!!! Awesome.

Sled, things are kept from the jury ALL THE TIME. Its an abomination. Its a tool lawyers use to control the outcome of cases. They pick and choose facts and its, IMO, unconstitutional. (although its everyday practice) The idea is that this fact or that fact would somehow "bias" the jury. Facts are facts! How can a FACT bias anyone? Judges and Lawyers want control in the courts, but they profess that Jurors are the backbone and all that BS. In reality, Jurors are rarely used, and when they are, they don't get all the information. You see, these same judges and lawyers don't trust the sense of the regular joe to make the "right" decision, so they manipulate the facts given to them. Then, when the Not Guilty comes down, people point fingers at the Jury. Its mind boggling. Are you guys familiar with the Aaron Hernandez murder case??? You know, the guy that used to play for that greatest football team in the history of the world? Ya, him. What a story that is. Gay sex, drugs, and multiple murders. Oh my! But what you guys probably don't know, because it was downplayed so much to hide the gay sex aspect, is that Oden Lloyd, the third murder victim, sent a text to his family on the night he was killed, because he knew he was gonna get killed. He texted to his family something like, "If anything happened to me, I'm with NFL, just so you know." That statement,,,, essentially the last words of a dying man, was not allowed into evidence at the trial! Take a second to let that sink in. The murder victim leaves a message about his killer, and its left out because it might prejudice the jury against the defendant. ISN"T THAT THE PURPOSE OF EVIDENCE???? To give to the jury to let THEM decide ??? Its infuriating to me. The system is a joke. Sorry for the rant.

Barn,, i don't disagree with any of what you say, but don't you feel, as a human being, that there is a sad difference between the Sweet Tomatoes case and the Steinle case? I do believe that intent should play a role in sentencing.

[barnett468]

Barn,, ... I do believe that intent should play a role in sentencing.

Yes, intent should be considered so it often is, however, one obvious problem is that a person committing a crime etc, is often, if not always, the only one that truly knows what their intent was unless possibly they are insane. Intent is one factor that attorneys use to determine the charges against people. I'm reasonably certain that the guy that turned the restaurant into a drive thru had no "willful" intent to do so but that does not mean that he was not intentionally negligent. It's certainly not as if his brakes simply failed through no fault of his own because of a defective part, in which case, the part mfg could be held liable under some circumstances. I, and I'm sure many others here including yourself are aware of cases where mfgs have been sued due to injuries sustained because of a faulty part. Most everyone is aware of the flaming Ford Pinto law suit as one example. When I worked at Kawasaki we were in the initial stages of being sued by some police officers that crashed while pursuing someone on their police bike because they claimed it was unstable at high speeds.

I was part of the test team that had to test the bike to see if the claims were true, and we ultimately proved they were not, however, I did do some modifications to the bike that increased high speed stability which Kawi incorporated into the next years model. Then there was the eternal lawsuits over KH500, aka, "The Widow Maker.".

Anyway, intent was certainly a question the jury legally had to consider in the Steinle case, and since they couldn't prove the guy intentionally shot her or had any intent to shoot anyone, they certainly couldn't convict him of murder/homicide in any degree.

Someone here asked about charging the shooter in the Steinle case with involuntary manslaughter, and it was one option given to the jury by the Judge, however, by California's definition of that law, the shooters actions may not have met the necessary criteria to be charged with manslaughter as horrendous and repugnant as that may seem to some.


The link below is the actual law pertaining to manslaughter in California.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=PEN&sectionNum=192.



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[Mosh]

More slander. Never threatened anyone. I threatened to stand next to somebody and mosh turned it into his own story. You people are pathetic.
Good grief man, you are a head case...Facts..
Your boy Barnett came on here acting a dick while I was a moderator. I called him out on his outlandish claims and stories, and you had to interject on your own will and get involved in something that never concerned you. Your only recourse at the time was to attack my wife's business and threaten her with actual "slander" and "defamation of her business and character" and drag her into something she was never involved in..Save your BS, we have still have all the PM's to back it up mostly because we still have access to our original accounts because we have not been banned 23 times and had to start numerous accounts just to get on here and be a troll.

I mean come one man..that is a reach..Here we are..I have not been a moderator for almost 3 years, virtually have no involvement here anymore..And yet the last 3 years of your nonsense is still not YOUR fault..You have been banned over and over by other moderators, started numerous accounts, that YOU manage to piss everyone off with, forcing your latest alter ego, and yet (I...MOSH) is to blame for all of it.. Yea right.... I jumped on your keyboard, typed all your combative, argumentative, degrading, demeaning posts under your 6 different accounts conspired to have 5 other bans put on you by admins who have no communication with me...Right...That is all my doing..Get bent...

You are friggin psychotic dude..Good luck with that in life..." I could of, should of, would of, been..... king of the world if it wasn't for (Mr. X- Y or Z)..Your lack of willingness to accept responsibility for YOUR own actions is strikingly related to a handful of other nut jobs in the trike circle, that we have all seen come and go, fvck up, and blame it on others over the last 20 years. There must be a quota that has to be filled somewhere in trike people asshatery, cuz we get one or 2 about every 5 years, that span 5 years and leaves a wake of destructivity and divide, behind them. Congrats on your legacy..Or maybe I should pat myself on the back for that one, since it is all my fault...LMFAO

What I find absolutely astonishing here, is the fact you are in a thread, trying to condone the fact a " illegal intruder " that has been banned from the country multiple times and problems, reintroduced himself, to commit a felony, gets away scott free to possibly do more damage down the road. The fact that it closely mirrors your involvement with this forum and your actions is disgustingly relevant..
However, I agree with the admins, which I have been in very short order of doing in recent years, that there is nothing you can do to curb your repetitive trolling, disgusting behavior. You will just find your way back over the wall. We don't have a wall, problem, judicial problem, political problem, or conspiracy problem. We have a society morality problem and you are a perfect representative for it.

[Tri-Z 250]

Note: Do Not be dumbed down to equate or equally see sanctuary cities as the New Underground Railroad. The blighted cities across America are desperate to fill the voids of their taxbase. They are looking to fill the areas no one wants with Refugees on quickpass government supported visa to gain more Social votes.

How is it possible you couldn't be told as a jurior the accused is a 6 time offender as an illegal. HEPA ? Liberal courts to undocumented law breakers are harsher on an American black man with 3rocks of crack. The courts pleaded the accused wasn't educated and just found the gun laying on the ground....I think he stole the gun originally, he was about to rob someone and the gun was jammed( he couldn't rack it) already chambered. He squeezes the trigger bang! Although the intent of the bullet wasn't ment for harm when loaded originally, the finger that pulled the trigger is a repeated criminal with NO rights for his criminal past to be covered up as character facts to determine his fate.

That's one Judge that has to be relieved, to honor this girls death.

[barnett468]

Good grief man...

oh, my, are we fantasizing that we are we "Charlie Brown" today?

...................https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ61-ZACsZJs2wD5arQtAr02kpSHHMU_ysC-0HpASYLZDf4270L



...you are a head case

That is an xlnt self assessment, you are making progress. Keep up the good work. https://www.mustang.org.au/forum/Smileys/smilies/thumbsup.gif



Facts..

You wouldn't know a "fact" from the hole in your azz (spelling changed to meet the family friendly site rules) which you constantly blow hot air out of. :)



Your boy Barnett...

ummm...I am nobody's "boy", "butt", since you have boys on your alleged mind, why don't you just go back to watching your worn out VCR version of Deliverance or Broke Back Mountain with your favorite pet and a bottle of lotion.



...came on here acting a dick while I was a moderator.

That is an opinion, not a fact, and like may of your opinions, they are based on your biased and often delusional perceptions instead of facts. :rolleyes:



I called him out on his outlandish claims and stories...

ummmm...news flash...ALL my claims and stories are true, in FACT, other people on the site including Mickey Dunlap and John Neary proved that at least two of them, which were the FACT that I did work in the R and D department at Kawi, AND that I not only raced 3 wheelers, I raced them in the PRO CLASS. John Neary even has a video that shows me holeshotting the PRO 3 wheeler race in San Diego which had several of the top riders there including Jimmy White. You can also find my name online in the race results for the PRO Motocross class if you do a Google search of my name and Cycle News Magazine which I gave your wife my personal password for because it cost money to view the entire magazine online and she wanted to check it out before she paid for a subscription to see if she wanted it. So yup, I am an asshole because I offered to do your wife a favor even while you were being your typically azzanine self bloviating and pontificating after sometimes prefacing your entertaining comments with the statement, "I just have to get this off my chest.".

In addition, if I recall correctly, which I usually do, it was YOU whom posted that if it was ever proven that I worked at Kawi in ANY capacity, you would apologize. Well, since you definitely saw Mickey Dunlaps ridiculous and childish thread about me, you know for a FACT that I did work there, yet I have still not seen an apology from you, or whomever made that comment. https://www.mustang.org.au/forum/Smileys/smilies/shrug.gif

Here's some more FACTS fer ya to gesticulate over since you seem to have such a great interest in me. I also write music and lyrics and play guitar, piano, and drums, AND I was the opening musical act for a show, albeit it a small one, that Robbie Krieger from The Doors played at with his band called The Doors Of The 21st Century (in which he had a singer that looked and sounded similar to Jim Morrison), after I was asked by the promoters to play there, so put that in your bottle of Pine Sol and swallow it.
https://www.mustang.org.au/forum/Smileys/smilies/th_smilies.gif



I have not been a moderator for almost 3 years...

Thank God, there is occasionally some justice in this world. :w00t:



You are friggin psychotic dude..

...says the one whom is nuttier than the woman Glen Close played in the movie Fatal Attraction, and whose unnatural obsession over me and some other men should be addressed with a mental health professional.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTUiIsiT_aGg5wlHqY7zZdCopCAlwCRT k2dkDhVCesLd0BHg8jlughttps://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSnd2qaex5R5xzkZKHmnRaEo4qS51ZgE fMaXzH5kGCaM38ybt9_


MERRY CHRISTMAS https://www.mustang.org.au/forum/Smileys/smilies/santa.gif

https://www.mustang.org.au/forum/Smileys/smilies/cheers.gif


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[El Camexican]

news flash...ALL my claims and stories are true


So yup, I am an asshole

Great to see you engaging in a political thread Arami.... er Barns. :lol:

[barnett468]

Great to see you engaging in a political thread Arami.... er Barns. :lol:

Thanks, and I think it's great to see that you can read and that your interest in my hasn't completely diminished. :)


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[RIDE-RED 250r]

Yes, intent should be considered so it often is, however, one obvious problem is that a person committing a crime etc, is often, if not always, the only one that truly knows what their intent was unless possibly they are insane. Intent is one factor that attorneys use to determine the charges against people. I'm reasonably certain that the guy that turned the restaurant into a drive thru had no "willful" intent to do so but that does not mean that he was not intentionally negligent. It's certainly not as if his brakes simply failed through no fault of his own because of a defective part, in which case, the part mfg could be held liable under some circumstances. I, and I'm sure many others here including yourself are aware of cases where mfgs have been sued due to injuries sustained because of a faulty part. Most everyone is aware of the flaming Ford Pinto law suit as one example. When I worked at Kawasaki we were in the initial stages of being sued by some police officers that crashed while pursuing someone on their police bike because they claimed it was unstable at high speeds.

I was part of the test team that had to test the bike to see if the claims were true, and we ultimately proved they were not, however, I did do some modifications to the bike that increased high speed stability which Kawi incorporated into the next years model. Then there was the eternal lawsuits over KH500, aka, "The Widow Maker.".

Anyway, intent was certainly a question the jury legally had to consider in the Steinle case, and since they couldn't prove the guy intentionally shot her or had any intent to shoot anyone, they certainly couldn't convict him of murder/homicide in any degree.

Someone here asked about charging the shooter in the Steinle case with involuntary manslaughter, and it was one option given to the jury by the Judge, however, by California's definition of that law, the shooters actions may not have met the necessary criteria to be charged with manslaughter as horrendous and repugnant as that may seem to some.


The link below is the actual law pertaining to manslaughter in California.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=PEN§ionNum=192.



PREVIOUS KAWASAKI INTERNATIONAL R & D PROJECT ENGINEER AND ATV DEPARTMENT SUPERVISOR AND THE ONLY PERSON ON 3WW WITHOUT AN EDIT BUTTON OR A STAR :Bounce

Agree with most of your thoughts Barn. But might I point out that based on what we know, CA Law 142, part B applies quite perfectly to the case

[barnett468]

Agree with most of your thoughts Barn. But might I point out that based on what we know, CA Law 142, part B applies quite perfectly to the case

Below is 142 b. Is this what you are referring to?

(b) Notwithstanding subdivision (a), the sheriff may determine whether any jail, institution, or facility under his or her direction shall be designated as a reception, holding, or confinement facility, or shall be used for several of those purposes, and may designate the class of prisoners for which any facility shall be used.


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[Mosh]

oh, my, are we fantasizing that we are we "Charlie Brown" today?

...................https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ61-ZACsZJs2wD5arQtAr02kpSHHMU_ysC-0HpASYLZDf4270L




That is an xlnt self assessment, you are making progress. Keep up the good work. https://www.mustang.org.au/forum/Smileys/smilies/thumbsup.gif




You wouldn't know a "fact" from the hole in your azz (spelling changed to meet the family friendly site rules) which you constantly blow hot air out of. :)




ummm...I am nobody's "boy", "butt", since you have boys on your alleged mind, why don't you just go back to watching your worn out VCR version of Deliverance or Broke Back Mountain with your favorite pet and a bottle of lotion.




That is an opinion, not a fact, and like may of your opinions, they are based on your biased and often delusional perceptions instead of facts. :rolleyes:




ummmm...news flash...ALL my claims and stories are true, in FACT, other people on the site including Mickey Dunlap and John Neary proved that at least two of them, which were the FACT that I did work in the R and D department at Kawi, AND that I not only raced 3 wheelers, I raced them in the PRO CLASS. John Neary even has a video that shows me holeshotting the PRO 3 wheeler race in San Diego which had several of the top riders there including Jimmy White. You can also find my name online in the race results for the PRO Motocross class if you do a Google search of my name and Cycle News Magazine which I gave your wife my personal password for because it cost money to view the entire magazine online and she wanted to check it out before she paid for a subscription to see if she wanted it. So yup, I am an asshole because I offered to do your wife a favor even while you were being your typically azzanine self bloviating and pontificating after sometimes prefacing your entertaining comments with the statement, "I just have to get this off my chest.".

In addition, if I recall correctly, which I usually do, it was YOU whom posted that if it was ever proven that I worked at Kawi in ANY capacity, you would apologize. Well, since you definitely saw Mickey Dunlaps ridiculous and childish thread about me, you know for a FACT that I did work there, yet I have still not seen an apology from you, or whomever made that comment. https://www.mustang.org.au/forum/Smileys/smilies/shrug.gif

Here's some more FACTS fer ya to gesticulate over since you seem to have such a great interest in me. I also write music and lyrics and play guitar, piano, and drums, AND I was the opening musical act for a show, albeit it a small one, that Robbie Krieger from The Doors played at with his band called The Doors Of The 21st Century (in which he had a singer that looked and sounded similar to Jim Morrison), after I was asked by the promoters to play there, so put that in your bottle of Pine Sol and swallow it.
https://www.mustang.org.au/forum/Smileys/smilies/th_smilies.gif




Thank God, there is occasionally some justice in this world. :w00t:




...says the one whom is nuttier than the woman Glen Close played in the movie Fatal Attraction, and whose unnatural obsession over me and some other men should be addressed with a mental health professional.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTUiIsiT_aGg5wlHqY7zZdCopCAlwCRT k2dkDhVCesLd0BHg8jlughttps://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSnd2qaex5R5xzkZKHmnRaEo4qS51ZgE fMaXzH5kGCaM38ybt9_


MERRY CHRISTMAS https://www.mustang.org.au/forum/Smileys/smilies/santa.gif

https://www.mustang.org.au/forum/Smileys/smilies/cheers.gif


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IDGAF what you done, do or will do..You could have invented the friggin wheel for all I care. You came on here and totally clashed with the overall mojo of the site, much Like Dunlap did...
Aside from all his intricacies, he was smart enough to pull back from the non accepatance of the group, and Despite all the drama that follows that guy, he has a bigger name than you ever did in the sport and still continues to at least offer products and services relative to 3 wheeling. This place has become a beration pot for anybody making progress, torched them in fire, ran em off, and has now become the proponent of protecting, ignoring and tolerating some of those behind that..I can not blame the admins really for allowing you 2 clowns to run rampant. You 2 guys alone single handedly ran down the energy level of anybody trying to curb your BS.. as Billy stated..Nothing can be done but let you trolls continue to crap the place up until you get bored with it or find your level of gratification elsewhere that you so desperately seek..Unlike you 2 clowns, a team of 6 moderators and 3 now removed from that posistion, have a life that prohibts them from monitoring your guys 2 dozen accounts to sift through and stay on top of keeping you guys gone for good.....Until then everyone you guys offend or aggravate are left to tip toe around your existence here..

The difference between you and the rest of the old pros, they never hid behind a false name, location , nor were banned from a dozen other forums. You and your butt buddy have added nothing but shear controversy to this place. Stay here, have what smoldering pile is left. Tell em all you invented the trike, tell em to adjust thier timing on a 250R, tell em all forks except the almighty tecate forks suck. Tell em you been stabbed, rode a trike 800 miles on the road..Shove it down their throat chokingly like they owe you something and are not worthy of having the priviledge to say anything in here otherwise without giving you credit first.

If they are gullable enough to buy into your deep throat mentality of 10 seconds of football stadium stardom on a 3 wheeler unloaded from a 79 chevy G van, fine that is their mistake. Apparently the admins here have not found anything worthy of your past that quantifies your own thread and special little star...So what ...you played guitar. So do I..You want a friggin medal? I may have disputed you didn't work for kawi..However, I have heard more stories of you being more of a custodial arts engineer that probably badgered the higher ups so much, they threw you on a trike so you could grab your holeshot and STFU...I have holeshots all over the web too. Who friggin cares? None of this makes you expemt from the fact your convert oxygen to Carbon dioxide and will be nothing but worm food in the end. Forgive me for not bowing down to your "not for reprint" existence...
I wiped my ass last week without getting any on my finger...Who friggin cares really.

Once again.. you....Banned many many times..duplicate accounts, no edit button, banned from other forums only to continually return much like Glenn Close in her stalking movie..Me same name, my name...same account 12 years strong now buddy...Who is the mentally unstable one in that equation really?

[fabiodriven]

I've liked Barnett from the beginning and he seems to fit in really well. I dare say he's in more of a position to speak of who and what is relevant on this site than someone who doesn't consider himself a part.

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Below is 142 b. Is this what you are referring to?

(b) Notwithstanding subdivision (a), the sheriff may determine whether any jail, institution, or facility under his or her direction shall be designated as a reception, holding, or confinement facility, or shall be used for several of those purposes, and may designate the class of prisoners for which any facility shall be used.


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No, sorry, I typoed.... Part B in the link you posted regarding the charge of manslaughter... Here it is copy pasted directly: (b) Involuntary—in the commission of an unlawful act, not amounting to a felony; or in the commission of a lawful act which might produce death, in an unlawful manner, or without due caution and circumspection. This subdivision shall not apply to acts committed in the driving of a vehicle.

[barnett468]

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uh, oh, it looks like someones nursemaid forgot to give them their medication today...and yesterday...and the day before. https://www.mustang.org.au/forum/Smileys/smilies/therethere.gif


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But barn....he IS happy when he whines like a little beeeatch!

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[Scootertrash]

You all kniw theres video that proves he didnt steal the gun from the ranger right?

Link please?

[knappyfeet]

My old 350X

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[barnett468]

my old 350x


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[barnett468]

No, sorry, I typoed.... Part B in the link you posted regarding the charge of manslaughter... Here it is copy pasted directly: (b) Involuntary—in the commission of an unlawful act, not amounting to a felony; or in the commission of a lawful act which might produce death, in an unlawful manner, or without due caution and circumspection. This subdivision shall not apply to acts committed in the driving of a vehicle.

ok, sure that makes sense, however, as everyone knows, there are many hours of testimony at a trial like this, so without actually being there the entire time, or having the complete transcripts including the judges instructions to the jury etc, it is just not possible for outsiders to know for certain why a jury voted one way or another. Obviously even with the same info, the jurors still don't always agree with each other which can end up in a hung jury/mistrial etc.


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[barnett468]

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"San Francisco has stood by its sanctuary laws, with officials saying they benefit public safety by ensuring that immigrants, including witnesses to crimes, feel comfortable working with authorities. Gov. Jerry Brown this month signed a bill to create a statewide sanctuary policy."


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[Scootertrash]

The term "accident" is the most misused term I can think of.

First off, running a red light and t-boning another car IS NOT AN ACCIDENT. It was caused by the driver being negligent in the VERY IMPORTANT task of SAFELY OPERATING A MOTOR VEHICLE. Being negligent negates the term "accident".

I mean ffs, how much warning do you need to figure out that a light is turning red?


Federal guidelines recommend yellow lights last from 3 to 6 seconds. Local authorities set the duration based on many factors including: traffic volume, speed, roadway grade and intersection design.

3 seconds appears to be at 30 mph, 6 seconds appears to be at 55 mph

Spare me the bullsh!t that yellows are too short. I've been driving plenty long enough to know that if you are going the speed limit there is plenty of time to stop on a yellow before it turns red, and I'm a guy who regulary runs yellows.

You all know I'm right. (Yes, I know there have been some cities caught shorting yellow times to generate ticket income, but that's a different thread.

So, That said:

There are four rules for safe handling of guns:

The Four Rules

All guns are always loaded.

Never point the gun at anything you are not willing to destroy.

Be sure of your target and what is beyond it.

Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on target (and you have made the decision to shoot).

Dude broke three of the rules in his "incident".

Being young and dumb is not an excuse. You can bust my chops for being hard on you all you want, you're one lucky guy no one got shot and died. You could have passed on taking the gun.


The first time i was ever handed a semiauto pistol it was loaded and on hair trigger

There is no such thing as a gun being "on hair trigger". It either has a trigger with a modified pull weight or it doesn't. They don't come from the factory with a "hair trigger".


The Ranger was on his way to a temporary assignment in Helena, Montana, and stopped off in San Francisco.

The Ranger didin't "lose his gun" it was left (from testimony)
in a holster inside a backpack stashed under the front seat of his SUV parked on The Embarcadero near Pier 5 while the family went to dinner.


When he returned, two of the vehicle's windows had been smashed and the backpack with the gun inside was missing. (more from testimony).


"It appeared to be at the time a safe location," Woychowski said. "It was well-lit and metered and there were other pedestrians in the area, which made me feel safer."

Woychowski said he also spoke to someone he took to be a meter maid or security guard in the area who said he would be patrolling until 11 p.m., and took that as additional assurance his vehicle would be safe.

So what more could the guy do to prevent the theft of his gun?

HEY! I know! How about people just not break into other peoples cars and not steal other peoples stuff? They should make it illegal. Oh, wait.

The scumbag originally told police he was shooting at a sea lion, then changed his story. He then said it went off when he stepped on it. His lawyers then said ti accidentally went off as he held it.

He threw the gun into the ocean after the shooting.


He hurled it into San Francisco Bay, not to hide his crime, as prosecutors contended, but because he was scared by the noise of the weapon.


During deliberations, according to the Chronicle, jurors asked if they could test the trigger of the pistol, presumably to see if it could fire accidentally. The judge denied the request.

What a crock of sh!t

[fabiodriven]

I'm reading along but not really following here, more just watching the interaction. There absolutely are t-bone accidents that happen completely by accident. They can be mechanical or human in nature, but there are definitely accidents that are completely accidental.

[fabiodriven]

I don't know if this is what the Dude meant by "hair trigger", but revolvers have two very different trigger pulls depending on if you manually cock the gun or not.

[redsox]

Crashes are crashes. Not "accidents." Two vehicles colliding is a crash. A crash can, and often is, caused by accident. Accident meaning "without intention." Sometimes crashes are not accidents. The issue at hand isn't malice. It doesn't matter if the offender tried or didn't try to crash into (or shoot) anyone. The issue is whether or not a reasonable person knew or should have known that their actions presented an undue risk to others. This is true in crashes as well as shootings. At least it should be. Lets say I live in an apartment above another apartment. Lets say i'm cleaning my gun and I "accidentally" fire the gun into the apartment below and the bullet kills someone. That is an accident, but I am still responsible and will face consequences. The consequences should not be the same as if i set out to shoot someone and follow through by shooting them. The law allows for this by differentiating between degrees of murder as well as manslaughter and negligent homicide. It is also not the same as if I break into a car and fire a gun in public killing someone. Every situation is different, and there are degrees of evil. But the system is a huge failure. This case is a perfect example of how poorly it functions.

[fabiodriven]

But the system is a huge failure. This case is a perfect example of how poorly it functions.

This I will strongly agree with. The system is a flop, a follie, just like a good portion of anything run by the United States government in modern times. It needs to be razed and completely re-thought.

If anyone is interested in seeing a system that works, study Finland's judicial system. Makes discussing our own judicial system seem pointless.

[El Camexican]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/mexican-man-acquitted-katie-steinle-case-faces-new-gun-charges-article-1.3679745

They're not done with this guy yet.

[sledcrazyinCT]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/mexican-man-acquitted-katie-steinle-case-faces-new-gun-charges-article-1.3679745

They're not done with this guy yet.
Amazing Jeff Sessions is following up on a crime

[El Camexican]

Amazing Jeff Sessions is following up on a crime

What's interesting to me is how low keyed the story is. Caught a blip on Yahoo News at 6:00am and then had to search for it later. Aside from FOX I doubt it even makes it onto TV today. This guy will end up with his own statue if the CA Libs have their way.

I like this idea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74-WSM0xTyE Great way to rub their noses in this trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro for years to come

[sledcrazyinCT]

OMG love the video of the chimpanzee!

[El Camexican]

OMG love the video of the chimpanzee!

Wrong video!!! Wonder if it had a hair trigger??? LMFAO!!!

Here is what I wanted to post: http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/12/05/laura-ingraham-trump-should-rename-san-francisco-park-honor-kate-steinle

[Shep1970]

Just to make a quick comment: i have heard absolutly nothing about this on the news up here in mass, mainly just watch it for the weather but yup nothing about this story at all. I'm sure its kept quiet for a reason....

Shep

[barnett468]

Wrong video!!! Wonder if it had a hair trigger??? LMFAO!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74-WSM0xTyE

The chimp video is a bazillion times better, and it even fired off a shot in those idiots direction. That whole scenario is friggen hilarious. It's my vote for best video of the year so far. The only thing I think that might be funnier is yet another long winded, bloviating, 500 word diatribe of rambling drivel from MOSH. :drool:


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[El Camexican]

The chimp video is a bazillion times better, and it even fired off a shot in those idiots direction. That whole scenario is friggen hilarious. It's my vote for best video of the year so far.

I'm a monkey fanatic ever since my first trip to India. They open and raid fridges, walk into factories and operate machines, steal glasses, purses and phones and ransom them for fruit etc. Google monkey fights and monkey motorcycles and you will laugh your spleen out your nose.

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Any pistol with a hammer does. Scooter just wants to degrade as that is his method of debate.

I think what Scooter is saying (and he is welcome to correct me if I am misinterpreting his comment) is that no matter how light or heavy the trigger pull is, a firearm in proper mechanical condition requires human manipulation to fire a round, a finger placed on the trigger and pressure applied. This is why the rules of firearm handling are so universally and deadly important. Unless a firearm that has been involved in an accident of some sort is indubitably found to be mechanically deficient or unsafe by at least one competent expert gunsmith, there is absolutely zero excuse for an AD no matter what the circumstances.

[barnett468]

Just to make a quick comment: i have heard absolutly nothing about this on the news up here in mass, mainly just watch it for the weather but yup nothing about this story at all. I'm sure its kept quiet for a reason....

Shep

They aren't keeping it quiet, it is just more of a local story at the moment, plus they just filed charges so you might see something about it soon on your news.


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[Shep1970]

There should be a way to send him to a mexican prison if found guilty (Wish it was that easy) What a shame too she was a beautiful girl. I'd like to hear an interview with her family to hear what they have to say about what should be done w/him.
I couldn't imagine loosing a family member in that way especially by someone that shouldn't have been here in the first place. Also deported 5 times holy crap, maybe they should take a body part from u each time you get deported. Is it really that hard to come to work here legally?
The jurors should have been told about his past/ if it was an avg american citizen like me thats the first thing the courts look at is your past records. Not that i really have any, none to mention anyway....
Alright starting to ramble, i'm outta here. But i'll be lurkin'. Ha

Shep

[Shep1970]

Glamy, i'm gonna have to meet you some day/ you've gotta be quite the character, (not in a bad way) just a lil' goofy.
Gonna pass on the bendin' over though/. Ha
Shep

[fabiodriven]

The new Ramses Ribb?

[Scootertrash]

I think what Scooter is saying (and he is welcome to correct me if I am misinterpreting his comment) is that no matter how light or heavy the trigger pull is, a firearm in proper mechanical condition requires human manipulation to fire a round, a finger placed on the trigger and pressure applied. This is why the rules of firearm handling are so universally and deadly important. Unless a firearm that has been involved in an accident of some sort is indubitably found to be mechanically deficient or unsafe by at least one competent expert gunsmith, there is absolutely zero excuse for an AD no matter what the circumstances.

Yes, that was my point about posting the rules of gun handling.

dude's comment is just an example of how he's reached that age of puberty that he thinks he knows everything, like 14 or 15.

I have more, but I'm going to work to help support the illegals and their "anchor babies".

I'll post more later, even tho dude knows exactly what I'll be posting.

[Scootertrash]

Right. And your "parents" comment was a compliment. Save your Alinsky tactics for someone else.

Still waiting on a link to your video that proves this guy wasn't the one who stole the gun.

[RamsesRibb]

People get shot every day. I was stabbed by an ex con this summer that shouldn't have been released either. Don't see me asking others to give a shlt. The only reason you are interested is a political agenda. Sad story, nope I wouldnt give a shlt if it happened to me and nobody talked about it.

Stories are hand picked for the media spotlight in order to create emotions. You are being led to focus on this story.

Tax paying = In support of corruption.

I was stabbed once too. I was about about 10 and was stabbed by a classmate at church with a pencil. I never told anyone. This guy was a hateful person.He actually stabbed another person at school a few years later and was expelled. He also mistreated his mother when she tried to control his bad behavior. One day as a young man of about 18 karma caught up with him and he was killed in an accident.

[RamsesRibb]

Somewhere out there is an Indian wishing some would have put that on a sign and stuck it up on Plymouth Rock a few hundred years ago.

Seriously thought, times change, wars are fought and laws are established. The issue over the past 50 years or so in the USA is a lack of will to enforce them as you well know. You can thank your pass the buck career politicians for this mess. You absolutely need immigration, but not illegal immigration.

The problem for the last 50 years has been communists and globalists pushing an agenda of usurping control away from the white males.

[RamsesRibb]

Poco nailed it.

There is one fundamental difference between this guy and any other homeless or poor American felony defendant. Thus guy had the full fund-raising force of Liberal outrage on his side and was HEAVILY represented in court thanks to the donations from pathological altruists who are merely protecting the agenda and not the subject. Seriously, there were several folks bankrolling this guys defense only because they were protecting the ideology they vote for. These are the true racists. They never really care about any of the "immigrants" or "refugees" that they pretend to care about. If a Republican professed to hate broccoli, Liberals would line up to start broccoli gardens in every back yard in San Francisco as a way to nurture feel-good nonsense and throw a middle finger at conservatives. Its about the battle between Right and Left and it has been for a very long time. The foreign folks are merely pawns to each side. Useful idiots? No, useful immigrants. Adults these days are as petty as their juvenile counterparts are and most are not very far removed from their highschool days thanks to social feedback loops like social media provides.

This case was stacked against the victim, not because the assailant was a "poor immigrant" but because he elicited ire from most conservatives and most of those folks in favor of Rule of Law. This was never about "justice". It was always about politics. Its not about brown folks. Its about maintaining Liberal dominance of domestic policy. its not about "creating a better life for Latino immigrants from Mexico, and Central and South America. Its about San Francisco maintaining their self-righteous pet projects and protecting California`s self-defeating policies on immigration. Same is true of Obamacare. When I CAN find an eloquent and thoughtful Liberal to discuss the subject, they almost always end up agreeing that Obamacare is forced capitalism but stop short of shutting off support for such stupid ideas because ultimately, it casts a poor light on their own reason and decision-making skills. Its akin to defending your POS girlfriend or boyfriend to your parents because you are embarrassed that they "told you so" long before you realized it. Its all about not having to admit you were wrong.

Its not about justice. Its about winning against "the Nazis".....to them, their entire ideology that they have invested all their emotional effort in was on trial in San Fran. Might just as well called it The State of California, City of San Francisco, and random homeless Latino immigrant VS. Conservative America.

Funny how they have raised tens of thousands to help homeless Latinos ( San Francisco has been trying to get rid of all homeless people secretly for years now, ironically) skip a murder rap but the same "anti-racists" lift NO fingers to help those homeless who aren't shooting women tourists because they were bored or ignorant. Nothing more racist than using a man of different ethnic background to further your political agenda. Same as using a man of different ethnicity to pick all your cotton for free. But hey, it helps these people sleep at night, right? Do they think white homeless deserve less consideration and effort than Latinos? Apparently so. That's called racism.

But hey, "I'm an activist" so they'll send $50 to a GoFudMe account for "Justice for Pedro", they`ll change their FB profile pic to the Mexican flag and say stupid shyt like "I am Pancho Villa" and "Che Rules".....not because they give a rats behind but because it gives them the illusion of looking like "I`m on the right side of history" or "anti-fash" or of moral superiority to anyone whom doesn't agree. Its honestly sickening. Hundreds of thousands of homeless INCLUDING VETERANS and the only homeless person Liberal Establishment cares about is the brown one....because Trump makes me cry

There is no such thing as pure Altruism.....people do good for other people because of what they themselves get from it. You may feel good about helping other less fortunate people. You may be trying to score with a Liberal chick. You may be trying to impress your friends on social media with your feigned righteous indignation or your protestations against generic "oppression" but no matter what your motive, you do things like this ultimately because of how it makes YOU feel. It could be argued that Altruism helps those in need no matter the personal agenda of the giver, which I agree, but its time to stop pretending in ideals like selflessness and altruism because nothing is ever as it appears on the outside and a specific group likes to hide behind all this smoke and mirrors.

The fact remains, anyone with enough money can skip a murder or manslaughter rap. Ask OJ. Ask that "affluenza" kid who killed those people drunk driving. The system isn't stacked against non-whites like CNN and Democraps lead you to believe. Its stacked against the Poor. White poor. Black poor. Brown poor. All poor. You getting a public defender means you get a jail sentence guaranteed. That's why this guy walked. All the Liberal donors to his defence fund ensured he would walk and that "the ideology" of Sanctuary Cities survives to see another day (Ill bet Cali gets BILLIONS from the federal gov for these people or else broke-assed Cali wouldn't care about him one bit). Nobody cares one bit of some homeless white trash guy in California was killing people (its happened) but you put the "ethnic victim of the Week" on the news and now everyone feels so sorry for him and therefore his life is worth more than Jim Bob`s life....because racism.

I`ll find the Malcolm X interview where he says exactly that much....that Liberal democrats use minorities to further political gain and control while duping them into voting for their brand of racism. Nothing has changed since he was assassinated. I know alot of folks don't care for Mr. X but he had a knack for labeling things more accurately than most (I didn't say he was right about everything he ever said)

https://youtu.be/0Jfp0_vIn2U

https://youtu.be/gTI4PD-2QLQ

And don’t forget about Louis Farrakhan. He is a great leader to his people. Unfortunately when we get great leaders they are disparaged, mocked and ultimately silenced by the powers that be.

[RamsesRibb]

So what are you guys mad about again?

Do you think it was murder or what?

Do you think the jury that studied the evidence is wromg?

A pilled out homeless guy picked up a loaded gun and fired a round. How sheltered are you guys?

What does him being an immigrant have to do with anything?

Where is the liability to the moron that left his gun laying there? None?

It was a ricochet, correct?


All serious questions.

Immigrants ask permission to be here. Otherwise you are automatically a criminal.

[RamsesRibb]

The new Ramses Ribb?

What? Who?? Nah!

[Scootertrash]

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This boys and girls is a textbook example of sh!t posting. Cuz it's all about glamys p00p.

The scary thing is how much he knows about the consistency, contents, and taste of his own fecal matter.

glamys BFF:

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[Caminofeld]

The jurors should have been told about his past/ if it was an avg american citizen like me thats the first thing the courts look at is your past records. Shep

Actually, in most cases the jury is not allowed to know any criminal history (because it could potentially bias them). Also, if in prison clothes the defendant is allowed to change-again to prevent bias. It's total bullshit and one of the reasons we have so many criminals being released.

[Shep1970]

Actually, in most cases the jury is not allowed to know any criminal history (because it could potentially bias them). Also, if in prison clothes the defendant is allowed to change-again to prevent bias. It's total bullshit and one of the reasons we have so many criminals being released.

Thank you camino, shows you how much i know about the court system/ although should be changed.
My wife's a director of a childcare, she runs peoples quaries all the time and its mostly 20-30 yr olds its just amazing how many of this generation has had some sort of run in with the law. Kinda scary actually.
There usually not small offences either, but they get upset when she can't hire them.

On a different note- i found out just recently that my wifes mom had my quarry (sp) ran when i started dating her daughter, just a little upset at that one but life goes on.

Shep

[Scootertrash]

I don't know if this is what the Dude meant by "hair trigger", but revolvers have two very different trigger pulls depending on if you manually cock the gun or not.

Well, first of all he said in his post:


The first time i was ever handed a semiauto pistol it was loaded and on hair trigger

First off, there is no button, switch, lever, etc, to change a trigger to "hair trigger mode".

There are a few types of triggers, including triggers on semi-autos that do the same thing that you mentioned about revolvers, but to keep this relatively simple we'll cover the two mentioned by you and the the dude. Then we'll cover the "hair trigger" aspect.

In a revolver, you would be talking about a Double Action trigger. Double Action meaning it cocks and releases the hammer. The Double Action pistol can also be cocked with the thumb and the trigger will release the hammer. The term Double Action refers to revolvers, not semi-autos. You'll see why below.

In the dudes scenario
loaded and on hair trigger there will be some assumptions made, but only because I don't know the brand and model of pistol.

In order to be in so called "hair trigger mode" the pistol would have had to have been cocked.

The pistol would have had to be either a Single Action Only, or Double Action/ Single Action.

With the Single Action Only pistol, the hammer must be cocked by hand for the trigger to release it. The trigger will not cock the hammer, the action of the slide ejecting the spent case recocks the hammer. Think 1911 style pistols.

Double Action/Single Action means you can fire the pistol either way, by just pulling the trigger or by cocking the pistol first.

My 1911 from the factory had a trigger pull of about 7lbs

The Double Action/Single Action Beretta M9 has a double action first trigger pull of approx 13lbs and a 5lb single action trigger for the following shots.

Some "experts" recommend no less than approx 4 lb trigger pull for conceal carry. My 1911 after the trigger job was done is right around 4.25lbs, yes, a noticeable difference from stock, but still no where near a "hair trigger".

I have aquaintences with competition pistols that have trigger pulls in the 2lb area. Now we're talking "hair trigger".

If you shot my 1911 and then I handed you the competition pistol AND TOLD YOU IT HAD A HAIR TRIGGER you would still be extremely surprised at how little effort it took to squeeze the trigger.

So how does one achieve this "hair trigger" you ask? Well, depending on the gun, polishing the hammer and sear contact surfaces, changing the geometry of some of the trigger and/or hammer and/or sear parts by sanding or filing, modifying and/or changing various springs in the trigger/hammer mechanism. if you're not careful you can end up with a pistol that slam fires or can go full auto

And once you've modified the parts the only way to go back to a "normal trigger" is to put factory original type parts back in.

So the gun wasn't "on hair trigger". Could it have had a hair trigger? Sure, but I doubt it. The only person who really knows is the guy who owns/owned the gun.

What I do know is The Dude took a gun from someone and broke 3 of the 4 rules:

Every gun is always loaded.

Keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot.

Keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.

If drugs and/or alcohol were involved I'm not buying the "hair trigger" story.


ETA: Any caps are for emphasis, not anger.

[Scootertrash]

Hey 'Chop!

Excellent posts, Thank You!

Can I subscribe to your newsletter?

[fabiodriven]

My god Scooter, who the frig cares? Most of us are very well versed in firearms. Nobody, not even Damon is saying he didn't frig up. It's like you're just looking for an argument.

[Scootertrash]

C Lets say i'm cleaning my gun and I "accidentally" fire the gun into the apartment below and the bullet kills someone. That is an accident, but I am still responsible and will face consequences.

No offense 'sox, but the scenario posted above wasn't an accident, you were negligent in your handling of the firearm:

The Four Rules

All guns are always loaded.

Never point the gun at anything you are not willing to destroy.

Be sure of your target and what is beyond it.

Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on target (and you have made the decision to shoot).


If you are cleaning your gun, why is it loaded?

If you weren't sure it was loaded, why are you messing around by the trigger?

Point being, if you had followed all 4 of the rules you never would have negligently fired your weapon killing somebody. Right? ;)

[Scootertrash]

Apparently my post left you feeling triggered


My god Scooter, who the frig cares? Most of us are very well versed in firearms. Nobody, not even Damon is saying he didn't frig up. It's like you're just looking for an argument.




Because that's what you want to see.

If you are so well versed in firearms why couldn't you pick out that he said semi auto and not revolver?

If repeating a valid and extremely important set of rules keeps someone from getting injured or killed, then I'm guilty. Go ahead and criticize me for it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ht9lU-mgrEo

My point was more focused on his "hair trigger" excuse. Dis- or mis-information is one of the biggest problems gun owners have. Stupid and untrue information and stories is why we have such a large group of individuals who want to ban guns. They believe everything they hear when guns are made to look bad, especially when someone gets hurt or killed. Excuse the fvck out of me if I wanted to provide some information correcting your assumption of what Dude meant (due to your lack of reading comprehension) and how it all pertains to trigger types and a hair trigger.

You know what? There are more than likely some here who didn't know what I posted about triggers. They might appreciate that info. Hell, there's three other types of common triggers and some of those have a couple more variations. I'm sure the others who are very well versed in firearms will excuse my info on triggers.

If you don't like my posts don't read 'em.


So ...back on topic

Still waitin' on his video "proving" the killer didn't steal the gun.

[fabiodriven]

Don't give me that "If you don't like my posts" crap after you quote me. I'm not defending Damon or anyone, merely pointing out that you said there is no such thing as a hair trigger. Call it what you will, but the same gun will have two very different trigger pulls depending on how you use it. That's all I was saying, and I was right. I don't even know what point you're trying to argue. Your essays do not change the fact that I was right.

I don't see the relevance to the subject at hand at this point and don't try to act like I'm trying to stop your little gun class or whatever. It just seems redundant and obvious. Most of the people on here are very familiar with firearms.

I know very well the difference between a semi-auto and a revolver, I've owned both. I had a few guns at one point. I simply didn't notice that Damon specified.

I don't know the point or the relevance of sharing accidental discharge stories so I don't know whose argument I'm bolstering, but I might as well share.

Right after I got home from Iraq, like weeks, I had just blued my Beretta .25 semi-auto and the rounds were getting jammed when I tried to cycle it, they wouldn't eject. So I was cleaning and wiping and cycling trying to get the action working properly. Well wouldn't you know it, I somehow pulled the trigger and shot out the window of my apartment at that time.

I was raised with guns having been taken to the shooting range from a very young age, I was obviously in the army, and for ten months of the year prior to this incident I had a fully automatic machine gun with me day and night, that I had to use and keep clean and "clear" multiple times daily when entering chow halls and such. I slept with it every night, and if I had to go somewhere without it, it would require a sitter. So I know friggin guns Einstein.

[fabiodriven]

Here's a gratuitous picture to iterate my point. I don't mind sharing this picture actually. Do you have any pictures from that time you stood up for your beliefs scooter? I bet they're almost as cool.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171208/60b5e2a9ea0b7148ee278c7275f61cb8.jpg

[El Camexican]

Anyone who thinks guns can go of accidentally shouldn’t be allowed near them.

[sledcrazyinCT]

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[El Camexican]

Can anyone post a video of a low compression engine killing someone? Heck even a video of someone stealing the gun that was used to kill Kate would be fine.

[redsox]

No offense 'sox, but the scenario posted above wasn't an accident, you were negligent in your handling of the firearm:

The Four Rules

All guns are always loaded.

Never point the gun at anything you are not willing to destroy.

Be sure of your target and what is beyond it.

Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on target (and you have made the decision to shoot).


If you are cleaning your gun, why is it loaded?

If you weren't sure it was loaded, why are you messing around by the trigger?

Point being, if you had followed all 4 of the rules you never would have negligently fired your weapon killing somebody. Right? ;)

Yes scoot. I am aware. That is why I put the quotes around "accidentally." The scope and subject of the entire post was how intent is relative to penalty. I used the loaded gun example in reference to the weapon most commonly involved in negligent discharge, Glock pistols. The act of pulling the trigger to release the slide in the process of breaking down the gun is, in and of itself, in violation of the rules. Glock makes a fine gun. But that is a flaw. My point being that there are a wide degree of variations in intent and negligence. Someone cleaning a Glock, who simply mistakes the order of operations in breakdown (rack, drop mag, release slide instead of drop mag, rack, release slide) and kills someone downstairs through a floor is less culpable than someone who picks up a gun and pulls the trigger.

[redsox]

Glamy,,, YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!! Well said.

[sledcrazyinCT]

So glad to have zero idea who or what you're all wasting time thinking about.


It's not about immigration. This could have been anyone. The only reason it's about immigration is because "Kate's Wall". Can't believe you guys are buying into this shlt. Wait yes I can.
Research this story, it has giant holes everywhere and a lot of random shlt had to happen in order to have this outcome. INCLUDING THE SENSATIONAL VERDICT, the one that truly doesn't make sense.


It's wonderful you brought yourself up to expert status on this subject in a week's time. :rolleyes:

As for research we really thought a video of who stole the gun out of the BLM agents car was going to pop up a few days ago on 3WW? I am probably the 4th person who asked you to share this video you uncovered the past few days.

Since the video link hasn't been posted yet maybe you experienced another hair trigger episode - this time with your keyboard?

I can easily understand if you got burned by media propaganda as you suggest the masses typically are duped it happens to the best of us, but on second thought perhaps it is you adding your own propaganda to this conversation?

The key issue for many folks are elected officials that provide sanctuary to illegals living in America......Can't blame you for not recognizing the problems Glamy pointed out because it really is easy to not see or feel the effects of illegal immigration in Iowa.

Most Americans have no issue with legal immigration considering a good portion of people in America today had family who legally immigrated to America. What seems to occur with more frequency is the lack of assimilation, and only showing up in this country in order to take advantage of benefits that should be limited U.S. citizens.

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Breaking news...New offering from RUGER

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[Scootertrash]

Right after I got home from Iraq, like weeks, I had just blued my Beretta .25 semi-auto and the rounds were getting jammed when I tried to cycle it, they wouldn't eject. So I was cleaning and wiping and cycling trying to get the action working properly. Well wouldn't you know it, I somehow pulled the trigger and shot out the window of my apartment at that time.

I was raised with guns having been taken to the shooting range from a very young age, I was obviously in the army, and for ten months of the year prior to this incident I had a fully automatic machine gun with me day and night, that I had to use and keep clean and "clear" multiple times daily when entering chow halls and such. I slept with it every night, and if I had to go somewhere without it, it would require a sitter. So I know friggin guns Einstein.

And after all that experience you thought it would be a bright idea to cycle live rounds thru a malfunctioning weapon, not just inside a building, but in an apartment where others could have potentially been hurt or killed by your stupidity. Not just stupid, retardedly stupid. Einstein.

[Scootertrash]

Its not like I dont know what single and souble action is im just not a gun tard freak that gives a fuk how I say the gun was cocked. Pistol was a p95 ruger.

John, another veteran froend of mine shot right through his hand. Accidental discharge happens all the time even by experienced shooters.

For a guy who claims to have "grown up immersed in gun culture", you sure don't seem to understand the FACT that if all 4 rules are followed there are no "accidents". But it fits your progressive left wing mindset that someone or something else is always responsible for your f-ups.


Scooters posts dont even get read for the most part and they certainly dont affect me. Once I realized that hes actually just a troll I began to disregard everything he says long ago.

But yet you feel the need to respond to or reference my posts in YOUR troll posts.

[sledcrazyinCT]

Oh a meme says it, must be factual. Derp.

Video of car break in please to enlighten the sheeple who are getting emotional over Kate's wall......Which if you were so up to speed on this woman's death and read a single article you would know it is KATE'S LAW
Come on I will say sorry dude if you can just show us video of who stole the agent's backpack containing his service weapon like you made claim a couple days earlier.
Quit talking trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro and show the world your FACTS unless you just like to make up stuff like widdling your fake teeth out of chicklets gum

[Scootertrash]

Liberalism suspends the intellect of its victims, while at the same time tricking them into believing that they're smarter than everyone else.

The best part about the liberal shills on this site who attack others and tell them they are "brainwashed by the media" are the same jackasses that continue to push the same left wing progressive agenda the media does.

More (illegal) immigration
More money from the productive members of society to support the leeches
The other "rich" guys are the problem
Who's brainwashed?

Their claim of "distractions" is just another left wing distraction. They don't want people to know what's really going on. The less people know, the farther their Progressive/Socialist agenda can be pushed, taking more money and rights from legitimate citizens of this country.


If anyone is interested in seeing a system that works, study Finland's judicial system. Makes discussing our own judicial system seem pointless.

I haven't read up on their legal system yet, but if we are going to adopt their legal system we should adopt their immigration policies as well:

http://www.migri.fi/finnish_citizenship/applying_for_citizenship/requirements

Requirements

You may obtain Finnish citizenship if

your identity has been established beyond doubt.
you have reached the age of 18.
you meet the residential period requirement, meaning that you have lived in Finland for a sufficient length of time.
you meet the integrity requirement.
you have not neglected your payment obligations.
you have established your means of livelihood.
you have sufficient language skills.

Or are these requirements too harsh? Too anti-illegal immigrant? Too racist?

IIRC Mexico has rather strict standards that must be met for citizenship also. El can confirm or deny. Thanks El!

[Scootertrash]

Scooter stfu you're nothing but a dimwit troll.


Noone was trolling. You just dont like my opinion. Because it makes you look like a fuking moron.

What goes around comes around. Keep reinforcing the "Douchebike" legacy.



John is far superior to you in every way.

Don't forget these these:

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[Scootertrash]

Can anyone post a video of a low compression engine killing someone? Heck even a video of someone stealing the gun that was used to kill Kate would be fine.

He's just taking another shot at me. Interesting since he claims to have stopped reading my posts and they don't affect him.

He's just verifying his ignorance about certain engine designs. If he was a true motorhead he would understand the differences.

He won't post a video. He's too busy trying to redirect the thread to himself and his po widdle hurt feewings.

[Scootertrash]

Scooter does your family love you? Is your bf being mean to you?

Yup. My best friend and I get along just fine.

Your story is far more emotional


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NeS4ueaU6w

[Scootertrash]

In other news, someone posted a question about the family comments:


Jim Steinle has filed a wrongful-death suit against the city and county of San Francisco and the U.S. government. But the family has objected to the way Kate’s death has become a political football.

More Liberal thinking. We don't want this to be a political football, but we're suing the government because they didn't prevent this from happening.


Kate Steinle’s brother, Brad, has criticized Trump for “sensationalizing” Kate’s death to advance his immigration proposals, particularly his plan to build a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.

“Donald Trump talks about Kate Steinle like he knows her,” Brad Steinle said in a CNN interview in 2015. He added, “I’ve never heard a word from him. I don’t want to be affiliated with someone who doesn’t have the common courtesy to reach out and ask about Kate, and our political views and what we want.”

Ahhh..So it's not about what's good for the country, it's about what's good family who is suing the government for policies that didn't help to prevent the tragedy. Policies that if changed, could help prevent things like this from happening. If we can save just one, right? That's the lefty argument for gun control. Should work for illegal immigration too.

And dude, you need to pull your head out and realize it's not about immigration, it's about ILLEGAL immigration. There is a difference, no matter how much it hurts your feelings.

[fabiodriven]

And after all that experience you thought it would be a bright idea to cycle live rounds thru a malfunctioning weapon, not just inside a building, but in an apartment where others could have potentially been hurt or killed by your stupidity. Not just stupid, retardedly stupid. Einstein.

Yes scooter. In the sanctity and privacy of my home at the time, which was a red brick, cinder block, and concrete on steel floor building with load bearing walls made of cinder blocks, on the second floor. I could have pointed a 45 at the ceiling or floor and unloaded an entire clip and not one round would have left my apartment. I was within my legal rights and although I wished I'd had a scooter round, excuse me, dummy round rather, I'm not certain a plastic round would have acted the same way. Perhaps they make more accurate dummy rounds than the plastic ones I saw, but I only saw plastic at the time.

I'll thank you for your posting as of late which hurls unfounded insinutions peppered with insults and name calling. I'm not the only one here getting a good look at how you operate. By all means, please continue to show our community who you are and just how relevant you are.

Oh by the way, you tell me anytime you'd like to take an IQ test my friend. Let me show you just how dumb I am.

[El Camexican]

What a pile of trash i hope he gets fuuuuuuucked up on the street somewhere.

Yeah! Maybe some illegal will randomly stick an IHOP knife in him by accident.

Yes he is trash.... Scootertrash, LOL!

Yes I tried to ignore you, but seeing as how the Dude character is probably meeting the end of its run soon I thought I’d better say goodbye before you finished off whatever bottle you started drinking at 6:00am and passout. Or is it not the booze talking? Maybe your Friday night conquest got in his truck and drove away without leaving his phone number? Is that what’s upsetting you this morning pumpkin?

[fabiodriven]

You guys sound like children at this point. Hopefully my name isn't brought up anymore. I'm regretting having said anything at all in this thread.

[fabiodriven]

Including you Damon.

[Scootertrash]

scooter round, excuse me, dummy round rather,

I'll thank you for your posting as of late which hurls unfounded insinutions peppered with insults and name calling. I'm not the only one here getting a good look at how you operate. By all means, please continue to show our community who you are and just how relevant you are.


please continue to show our community who you are and just how relevant you are.

When you start holding everybody including yourself and dude to the same standards you hold me to, maybe I'll listen.

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More on the topic at hand...

If the shooter was a white guy, he'd be fast-tracked into prison in short order. The media would plaster TV and newspapers with how irresponsible he was and how we need more laws. He would also be sued by the victims family for wrongful death, as well as the government. They would ruin his life.

Meanwhile this Garcia dude is supposedly getting deported. AGAIN. He'll be back AGAIN, to commit more crimes. but that's OK, cuz muh immigration

[Scootertrash]

Yeah! Maybe some illegal will randomly stick an IHOP knife in him by accident.

Yes he is trash.... Scootertrash, LOL!

Yes I tried to ignore you, but seeing as how the Dude character is probably meeting the end of its run soon I thought I’d better say goodbye before you finished off whatever bottle you started drinking at 6:00am and passout. Or is it not the booze talking? Maybe your Friday night conquest got in his truck and drove away without leaving his phone number? Is that what’s upsetting you this morning pumpkin?

I believe he was talking about the cop in the video being trash. If not whateva. I've been called worse by better. Which apparently would mean Fabio......

[fabiodriven]

It's different when you make it funny scooter.

[Scootertrash]

And they dont even realize when Ive simply started posting the way they do to illustrate what level they are on.

Just substitute "Dude" for "Garth"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jqqb51WISSg

[Scootertrash]

So Fabs,

Tell me what you think of the Finnish Immigration policies.

Whether you want to believe it or not I am interested in your opinion, even if we don't agree.

Probably because we're on different planes ;)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlnOcZK892E

[sledcrazyinCT]

Please quote the post that says anything about a car break in. Your reading comprehension is lacking. You guys are just angry white boys with nothing better to do than bawl about everything.

John Woychowski, 37, who lives in the small town of Imperial, was traveling through San Francisco on June 27, 2015, and had parked his car downtown when the Sig Sauer .40-caliber semiautomatic pistol was stolen from the vehicle, according to Bureau of Land Management officials. He was on duty the night it was stolen, and his car was locked, they said.

Dude here is why I and others have asked you to back up your smack talk. As the expert on Kate's WALL you would know weapon was stolen out of a parked vehicle. You said 'you all know there is video proving he didn't steal the gun from ranger.'


Yea so Joe unfortunately all your post says to me is that the responsibility falls on the trained one, the registered one, the first in the chain of negligence. Who was that in this story? Where is that trial? Do you think the guy meant to kill her, or even to shoot AT her? If not, he picked up a loaded gun and it went off. A gun that should never have been there in the first place. You all know there's video that proves he didn't steal the gun from the ranger right?

Again I am more than happy to improve my reading skills, but actually the video you watched might help all us simpletons out. Where oh where did the video go oh where or where did dude watch it?

Don't get all pissy when you are asked to back up your comments.

So glad to have zero idea who or what you're all wasting time thinking about.

[fabiodriven]

So Fabs,

Tell me what you think of the Finnish Immigration policies.

Whether you want to believe it or not I am interested in your opinion, even if we don't agree.

Probably because we're on different planes ;)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlnOcZK892E

I don't know much about their immigration policies outside of what you posted, which I read through a couple of hours ago, but I remember thinking they seemed to make a lot of sense to me.

[Scootertrash]

It's different when you make it funny scooter.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWINtUCshxY

I love you man. No homo http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/kiss/smileys.gif (http://www.sherv.net/)

[Scootertrash]

I don't know much about their immigration policies outside of what you posted, which I read through a couple of hours ago, but I remember thinking they seemed to make a lot of sense to me.

I agree. Not sure what hoops people have to jump thru to get citizenship here, but the requirements seem pretty strict there.

[Scootertrash]

And they dont even realize when Ive simply started posting the way they do to illustrate what level they are on.

What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?

[Scootertrash]

Including you Damon.


*snort*


Sorry. Just more childish behavior on my part :naughty: :lol:

[fabiodriven]

I agree. Not sure what hoops people have to jump thru to get citizenship here, but the requirements seem pretty strict there.

It's also very difficult (if not impossible) to become a citizen of Thailand as far as I know. I'd still like to live there for a while at some point in my life and I talked a lot with my friend from Wales about that when I was in Thailand with him. He had been living there for a year or two. What 99% of the non-citizens who live in Thailand do to remain there is very simply get their passport stamped in another country outside of Thailand at some point during the year. There's actually a little shuttle service or something dedicated to doing just that. They bus or boat (whichever it was) a load of people over to Cambodia for a couple of hours, get their passports stamped, then bus them back.

[barnett468]

What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?

Sounds to me like this would best answered by Linda Lovelace. https://www.mustang.org.au/forum/Smileys/smilies/hysterical.gif


PREVIOUS KAWASAKI INTERNATIONAL R & D PROJECT ENGINEER AND ATV DEPARTMENT SUPERVISOR AND THE ONLY PERSON ON 3WW WITHOUT AN EDIT BUTTON OR A STAR :Bounce

[redsox]

It's not very easy to become a citizen here. It is, however, very very easy to just come here and be afforded all the rights and protections guaranteed to a citizen by the constitution. In some cases, including this one, they are afforded more rights and privileges.

[Scootertrash]

Learn to swim.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RHZEzVUBPk

[redsox]

I'm reading up on the policies of Finland, but, as with many of my arguments, I feel like the philosophies of this country are second to none. Its the practice (or the adulteration thereof) where we are a disaster.

[fabiodriven]

I'm reading up on the policies of Finland, but, as with many of my arguments, I feel like the philosophies of this country are second to none. Its the practice (or the adulteration thereof) where we are a disaster.

I was thinking about it earlier and I came to a similar conclusion. I like the idea here and it did work, however as with most parts of how my country operates, I feel things are in dyer need of attention if not total teardown and reassembly.

I originally was referencing Finland's judicial system, not their policies on immigration, but I am curious about the subject now. They also did an absolute about face with their educational system, check that out as well. I feel this country could learn a lot from Finland on those two subjects, however I don't think immigration has a "blanket" solution suitable for every country. I think it's case by case, county by country for a reason at the moment. I'd like to see man eventually evolve and walk the earth as a species someday, however it wouldn't surprise me if I am not around long enough to see that.

[RIDE-RED 250r]

John as far as immigration goes, the solution is fairly simple in my opinion... Policies that put the interest of the citizen tax payer and nation first, while employing a system that enables the orderly, peaceful, and lawful admission of hopeful citizens who wish to come here for the right reasons. I feel like most everyone who has participated in this conversation has a pretty good idea what those "right reasons" are, so I'm not going to keep regurgitating what we all know.

As far as who we do not want here, people who after evaluation are determined to be most likely to end up being a burden to the nation and taxpayer or those who wish to come here for nefarious reasons. But like the gun control issue and how criminals relate, the majority of ill-intentioned non-citizens are probably not going to the trouble of coming here and staying here legally. Although, I do believe that there are those who believe in jihad here legally waiting to strike. They seem very well versed in using our own systems against us.

Most importantly, these policies must be adhered to and enforced! NO more sanctuary cities, states, and whatever other anti-American leftist BS they come up with. I don't care if you are the governor of a state or a mayor of a small town, the act of implementing such policies is criminal and should be handled as such.

Hmm...some of that kind of sounds like much of the policies and laws we already have in place, but are ignored..... So we come all the way back around to this point, much like the gun control debate, we need uniform enforcement and compliance with the laws and policies already in place.

It goes without saying but I'll say it again, I welcome those who wish to come here legally with respect to our laws that will work to better themselves. I do not support an invasion of people from south of our border who are most likely to not pay taxes and end up becoming a net liability to those of us that do. This does not make me a racist or hate brown people. This means that I support the rule of law and the idea that it should be applied as consistently, fairly, and as uniformly as possible.

Bottom line is, those who are crossing into our country illegally are not coming here to become contributing citizens and must be stopped.

[El Camexican]

Scooter asked about Mexico. It changes every once in a while, but he's my latest understanding of it...

You can get the equivalent of a green card if:
- If you want to work at a job like teaching school, but it has to be for a company that employees at least 9 Mexicans
- If you are a manager or have some other business specialty, this negates the 9 Mexicans rule
- If you open a company in Mexico, but you MUST partner with a Mexican even if it is a silent partnership That goes for all companies, even WalMart and GM. You need to prove the company has a start up capital of about $150,000 to do an S.A. de C.V.
- If you are retired and can prove an income of (changes based on minimum wage, but its about $15,000 ISD a year last I looked

You can apply for citizenship after having an FM3, or Immigrante Permanente card for 5 years (might only be 3 now). You then apply for an FM2 and it can take 3 to 5 years to get citizenship after that. My understanding is that you do need to take a Spanish language and history test as well, unless you are over the age of 65.

If you are married to a Mexican, or have a Mexican child the process is supposed to be faster.

- If you are kidnapped, forced into slavery or suffer some other hideous act while in Mexico you are offered citizenship. Don't laugh, the people coming up from South America suffer through some crazy stuff while heading North. They either have to pay, or hide from the Narcos all the way up. If they are enslaved to work on pot farms and are lucky enough to be rescued they qualify for citizenship.

- You are obligated to carry your status card around at all times and report to the authorities any time you leave and enter the country.

- People with "serious" criminal records are not allowed into Mexico. The reporting varies, but for example I've heard there are people with dual citizenships that have been convicted of child molestation in the USA and are not allowed back into Mexico. Seems hard to believe, but that's what I was told.

I haven't bothered to apply for citizenship as I have permanent resident status, but I'm thinking about it as it would allow me to own a gun legally and if I ever cash out here it would save me about 30% in taxes. You are obligated to pay taxes in Mexico if you reside here even if the income is generated outside the country. However, if you make less than $20,000 a year you don't even have to file and I think they are raising that ceiling.

Note to all: THE GRASS IS ALWAYS GREENER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BORDER. There is no "perfect" place to live on this Earth, deal with it and be happy for what you have.

[redsox]

THE GRASS IS ALWAYS GREENER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BORDER.

Thats good info amigo, but i don't think ANYONE is saying that things are better SOTB. Muy Mal. Comprende?

[El Camexican]

Thats good info amigo, but i don't think ANYONE is saying that things are better SOTB. Muy Mal. Comprende?

Let me put it this way....

A wise man once told me that your problems follow you wherever you go. I try to make that sink in whenever I hear younger folk talk about moving away from where they are to improve their lives, or escape a problem.

You might be surprised at how many people think I simply crossed a border and landed in paradise just because I left Canada. Hard to get it though their heads that life is what you make of it and not what it makes of you.

I’m my semi traveled opinion you can’t do much better than to have been born in the USA. Perfect Constitution and freedoms unheard of EVER on this Earth prior to 1776. It isn’t perfect, but it’s the best game on this rock.

[fabiodriven]

Not all who wander are lost.

[El Camexican]

Not all who wander are lost.

That one is as old a Moses

[fabiodriven]

So is Scooter.

[Scootertrash]

Why did Popeye get pissed at Moses?













He found out Moses was going to mount Olive

[Scootertrash]

So is Scooter.


I've got pieces of the railings off of Noah's Ark, want me to give you wood? :naughty:

[tripledog]

Why did Popeye get pissed at Moses?













He found out Moses was going to mount Olive

Ahh, Puns and Moses. One of my all time favorite bands!

[sledcrazyinCT]

Oh a meme says it, must be factual.

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Or in case you really give a trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro review the full report https://fairus.org/sites/default/files/2017-09/Fiscal-Burden-of-Illegal-Immigration-2017.pdf


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Heard today that homeless veteran numbers are on the rise for the first time since 2010.....too much money for them to pay rent on the West Coast these days.....Sad soldiers have to endure hard times YET an illegal can get a free education and subsidized housing at the tax payer expense

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Saw this on twitter today...Guess they are going up in quite a few places. There was a video taken so all the non believers can't claim the signs are just photoshopped. Any California residents seen these hung on the highways?

[Maico]

Cut the funding for any of these sanctuary cities.

[El Camexican]

Cut the funding for any of these sanctuary cities.

Take it a step further and charge the officials behind this with aiding and abetting fugitives. Seems like that’s exactly what they're attempting to do.