The Red Pill Thread [Archive] - Page 2

El Camexican

10-10-2018, 12:10 AM

So: Do unto others before they do someone else? :lol:

Just so we’re clear here I NEVER knowingly touched a married woman, or girlfriend of a guy I knew, even if I didn’t like him. One has to draw the moral line somewhere. Bros before hoes.

Getting back to what this thread is about, as males we could do a lot for each other by not letting women play us against one another. More often than not I think our strengths as males (competitiveness) can also be our weakness when we fight for the un-winnable.

When I was in my mid 20s I ended up going out with a friend’s cousin who had recently been dumped after a long relationship that started when she was in high school. My buddy warned me right from the beginning that she was very vulnerable and was just looking for people to hang out with, so I respected that and enjoyed handing out with a one time model. Didn’t have to wait in line long at the clubs when she was with me. We even used to sleep in the same bed after a night of drinking. I never laid a hand on her once even though she was absolutely stunning.

So one day we’re talking on the phone after being “best friends” for months and she drops it on me that’s she’s fallen in love with me and wants to get “physical”. Bingo! I’m about to bone a model!

She lived about an hour south of me, so it was mostly on weekends that we were hanging out. A couple days after the phone call I drove out to her place, picked her up and took her out to the local tavern in the little French community that she lived near.

We’re sitting there talking and having a great time, but whenever I would bring up the phone conversation we had she would get a little awkward and try to change the conversation. I figured she was just shy given that she’d only been with one other guy in her life, so maybe a few more drinks would lossen her up.

Closing time was coming near and she said she was ready to go (I took that two ways). As we start walking towards the door a guy she knew (friend of another cousin of hers, everyone knows everyone kind of a town) reaches out and grabs her ass in full view of me. In a millisecond I had to deal with the reality that any reaction from me was going to get my teeth kicked out or worse. It’s not like I would have just had to hang a lickin on the guy that grabbed her ass, it would have been everyone at his table and if somehow I would have come out the victor of that it would’ve been the rest of the bar as this was their town and I was the anglo stranger.

As she turned around to see who had grabbed her ass I made the mental decision (gulp) to defend her and take a beating. Do how does she react? Smiles at him! WTF? I turn to the guy and say what the f*** man! Turns out he’s so drunk he can’t even speak let alone fight, she grabs me and says “relax it’s just Curt, he’s a friend of the family”.

I was so pissed off with her reaction that I didn’t even try to touch her that night when we went to bed. The next morning I got up, drove home and decided not to talk to her unless she called me first.

She called a couple days later and we had a decent conversation and I basically told her that I wasn’t quite sure that she was as serious about having a relationship with me as she had tried to express on the phone earlier. A few months later I get a freakin wedding invitation, she ended up marrying the ass grabber and they’ve been together for about 25 years
now.

You may call me Duckie now.

HondaRidr

10-10-2018, 09:48 PM

I don't have much to contribute to this thread but I have thoroughly enjoyed it so far. I've been trying to be more alpha but it sure is hard to overcome a lifetime of beta habits! lol

ironchop

10-12-2018, 03:52 PM

I find all the agendas to be amusing really. In one basket is the "Diversity = Greatness" theory - all the while the other basket is being filled with "Let's divide and label sub-cultures" as you mentioned in all the A vs B in the above post. Which is it, because they are both being pushed down our collective throats everyday. Talk about contradiction! Is it diversity or is it unity, because you can not have both in the same climate and society. That is just how messed up this quagmire has really become. Maybe we should start a revolution for "Diversity United". You know, we can have jumbo shrimp for snacks at our meetings and silently scream when they try to serve it with plastic silverware.Oh you're going to love this.....

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"It's incredibly powerful" [emoji848]..... I'm wondering if this obsession with abortion is emotionally healthy since it seems to be the feminist cause du joir. It's wierd how it is used as a way to "elevate" women and "free them from the chains of the patriarchy"..... I'm still not sure how terminating your pregnancy on purpose is supposed to destroy the patriarchy or free you from the chains of oppression, though. I always thought that being a mother was a really awesome feat but I guess it's supposed to be oppressive? I don't really understand.

Someday, maybe the Left will come to understand why promoting a super low birth rate amongst your own sycophants is a terrible long-term political strategy. When Liberals quit having liberal babies, it leaves more room for "fascist" babies

pacifism is also a terrible personal security strategy.... For similar reasons.... Hard to birth and raise more pacifists if you're always getting killed

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fabiodriven

12-23-2018, 04:36 PM

There is a lot here I haven't kept up with from the time I was away from the forum. In the time I was away, things have changed for me.

When this thread was started, I had a completely different view of the opposite sex as compared with how I view them now. This change seems to have also netted me some results with the opposite sex, ranging anything from looks and banter all the way up to intercourse. I was reading everything being shared in this thread (at one point) and was watching all the shared videos. Shame on me for not being able to sit and read a book anymore, I should probably send that along to someone who will actually read it. Regardless of that, all of these things we have been discussing and learning have indeed stuck in my head, even on a subconscious level which I actually prefer. I don't even have to think about it, which makes my actions and words natural. I never had any issues with approaching women before, however now the interaction is far better than it used to be. I wouldn't say I was awful before, but knowing the right things to say are certainly going to help you along your way.

The other thing is, if whatever it is you are saying isn't "doing it" for her, she just may not be a match for you. There's nothing wrong with that, you're not going to get them all. I'd been disappointed before, over the summer most recently. I finally went on a date with a "good one" but was disappointed to find out after she didn't feel the same way. I still had a shot but over corrected and dropped the ball, and at the time I was hard on myself for that. The truth is we were not a match, or it would have already fallen into place. The challenge in my particular area is the extremely high concentration of libtard sexist females, and me being a country boy who doesn't work in a cubicle, wear skinny jeans, have a faux hawk, and not currently paying half a mil on a condo near the city essentially eliminates me from the vision of most women around here. "Down to earth" is difficult to find here in my size. Plenty of down to earth big gals around, they'll be anything you want though.

I was paying attention to this and letting it all sink in, but then when I got away from the forum I was thinking I should be keeping up with at least this thread. I was hoping what I had learned wouldn't fade, and it didn't. It wasn't in the front of my mind but it was still in there. The biggest thing for me in all of this is self confidence, and I have never found myself to be an attractive person. That feeling must be abolished no matter what it takes, and for me it takes being happy with my appearance. That's why I had braces a few years ago, and I thought after they came off I'd be taking the phuck truck to the bone zone daily. I was wrong. Being unhappy with oneself as a whole, one should not be surprised at the lack of others willing to get close. The best possible thing for me for so many reasons is working out physically, and results using TRP I'm sure vary and I'm sure it takes certain things for some people and other things for others to improve oneself, but number one for me is being able to work out physically. I feel much more confident presenting myself for consideration when I am content with my appearance. I do well for my age but the next big thing for me is I have to quit smoking cigarettes.

Over the last few months of approaching women, I must say I am still batting a zero as far as getting any numbers in face to face interactions, but not for lack of effort. Very few times has the interaction been odd or uncomfortable, and there are those women out there who will make it odd or uncomfortable no matter what you say or do. Almost all of them have been very genuine, flattered, and pleasant, but they all seem to be spoken for. I hit on this one girl in Walmart, she was wearing an Advance Auto Parts uniform, and her name tag said Zelda. As I type this now, I just thought of what the line should have been. Shame on me for not thinking about it right then and there. I should have introduced myself as "Link". Anyhow, I approached her and said "Hi Zelda, I'm John" or something along those lines and most likely asked her if she'd like to grab a drink or something sometime. She looked like a Zelda. Kind of goth, pale girl, dark hair with some of it purple, piercings, tattoos... OK so I have a type, but they can be beautiful regardless of their particular style. Well Zelda wasn't very friendly, and made it pretty clear she doesn't like people. She made it clear not to take it personally, which I wouldn't have anyways, and away I went. I have to think she must have been flattered on some level, or surprised maybe. I know I looked good that day, possibly too good for her. I'm not being pompous when I say that, but I have a habit of going after women who I am too good for. It's a habit I'm trying to curtail, but I like what I like.

A little over a month ago I had some really good banter with a girl at the sub shop up the street. After I'd been in there a few times, I'd come to the conclusion that she was too young, so we kept it at banter. Then one day I went in there and I noticed she had tattoos, and I thought maybe this girl is older than I'm guessing. When I walked by her truck outside, it had one sticker and one sticker only on it. It read "Suck Me". I said you know what? I may just have to toss a pass at this girl. So I did. Long story short, she's 17. Frig!! Oops. You don't know if you don't try I guess. So my initial guess was right, too young. Lol.

Not long after that girl I hit on a cashier at Walmart, she's 19. Oops again! She was really nice though and flattered. I said to her "I'm terrible" and she said no you're fine. She told me her boyfriend is 30. We had a very nice chat after that, it didn't get odd or anything. I may have taken that one to pound town if she happened to be single. I still see her in there from time to time (not to be confused with the lesbian Walmart worker who wanted my seed) and she's always smiling.

There have been others, I'm not going to sit here and list every time I've hit on a woman. Now the women I've actually bedded have all come from dating sites, and there seems to be a pattern there. It seems like a specific type of woman who uses dating sites the most. Thankfully the last few have ended without incident and my liberties are all still intact. I truly do not feel that I will ever be swept away with love again in my life, and that used to be my bane, it killed me to think that. Somehow, someway, I have learned to be content by myself. My mind still strays back to times when I was in love and it will still hurt from time to time, but those days are over. The biggest mistake I make now which I am consciously working on more than anything (at this moment), is falling in love right off the bat. I meet these women, I'm like OMG this chick is into me? I could totally date this person! Then the next day I think about everything I'll be giving up for another person to be in my life, and the everyday freedoms I have are one subject, but selling the house, moving, and traveling are things that are now much more appealing to me than falling in love and staying put here. If "the one" falls into my lap and wants to travel and move with me, then maybe that will happen. Of course, if you're up on your material, you know there is no such thing as "the one", so... I more look forward to meeting someone in a state or country far away from here, someone who I can't stop thinking about, who makes my heart beat fast, gives me butterflies, and who I want to see again after we've been together two or three times already. That is not something I search for, nor do I expect or need it. That's just the way I prefer it happen if it's going to. If it doesn't, I really don't give a phuck.

I touched on how hard it is finding a decent woman in Massachusetts. The problem we are all dealing with, not just here but across the US now, is sexist women. It just happens to be worse here than in most states, but please do not give in to the sexist bullshit these women are spreading. It's setting the women's movement back by years and has turned me sexist. It has directly affected my life and dating life in many ways and I am sick and tired of sexist women thinking they can be outwardly sexist against men and that's OK, but it's wrong for other people to be sexist against women, or racist, or an anti-Semite. They are every bit as wrong forwarding this propaganda about the world being against them, it's BS. The suicide rate for white males is some insane number higher than females or black males, women always get the benefit of the doubt in divorces and domestic issues, and they get extra points when going to get a job than a man will many times. Call me crazy, but I'd much prefer the most qualified person be on the way if I've been in an accident and am on the brink of death, not the person who was hired to keep people's feelings from getting hurt. It is a backward and mixed up country we live in where the women of this country are complaining about anything. They have no idea what it's like to go without anything, they're spoiled. Unfortunately I have cousins and aunts who have bought into this sexist BS and it's been a bit of an issue in the family. I was tempted to write a blog post on just this subject alone, it drives me insane.

Anyhow, the knowledge in this thread is priceless. For me what's most important is working out. Maybe you reading this don't need that, but if you want good looking women it helps to be a good looking guy.

OTAlucard

12-25-2018, 03:40 AM

I'm up late at night reading posts about the red pill again. The most recent one.

I've come to the conclusion that I'm not an ass grabber or slapper. But I have to be when the time is right to be competitive in this troubled market of messed up individuals.

All I can say is. People are rewarded for taking what they want. Not hiding in the corner pretending that they don't want it.

fabiodriven

01-12-2019, 09:21 PM

First and foremost, what is on my mind now is that technically speaking, Tim is my mentor. I would like to take this opportunity to thank Tim with the utmost of sincerity and will remember for the rest of my life how Tim's efforts have manifested themselves in my life in such an amazingly positive way. As I post this, I am just under a year into TRP, or MGTOW. I can say with complete confidence and total honesty that my situation has taken a total 180 degree swing from where I was this time last year. As hopeless and down as I was last year, this year I am high on myself, almost arrogant, and I should be. If you're familiar with how I've been on this forum, sure, I started out quite ornery, but after I calmed down a bit I got quite dark, quite down. There haven't been a ton of "great news" threads in comparison to more serious and not quite so chipper subjects. I feel as though I am entitled to toot my own horn on this one, so frig off.

If you've been watching this or if you're just looking for the first time right now, this works, and I am proof.

I cannot recommend enough that every man study this subject. President Fabio's first order in office is going to be that MGTOW is a required course of study for all male students in high school. Maybe like 11th and 12th grade or something. My second order will be that Honda can no longer operate inside the US at any capacity unless they release a new line of ATC's. Now we all know the US would fall apart without Honda, but just don't tell them that. Seriously though, my life has been drastically improved due to a little effort studying these subjects, and a lot of effort on myself which will continue indefinitely. I want to stress to any man reading this who is looking to improve their lives, look into this subject. The hardest part is coming to grips with who you really are, that part can sting a bit for a minute. I remember thinking about what I was for at least a week after I figured it out. Once you figure that out, repairs can then begin if the student is willing to put in the time and effort it takes to get what they want from life. I have noticed that a lot of the people I know, dare I say most of the people I know, do not have the will nor the belief in themselves as a person to achieve things in life that they'd like to do. I seem to accomplish things that others can't for some reason, and it seems to happen more and more often. I often get told how lucky I am, and I am. Luck does exist and I am a truly grateful person for the life I have, however far too often luck is given credit where it isn't due. I pull things off a lot of the time, this happens quite often, and people observing will say "You lucky MF-er", when the truth is the outcome I got was exactly what I was expecting. It confuses me that others cannot see these things, but it happens to me often enough that I have picked up on the pattern of continually seeing these situations. I expect that other observers would see the same thing I am, but often they do not. Because it has happened so often, I have been able to study the phenomenon to a degree. I am somehow seeing things far beyond what most people are normally thinking, or most other people are just not seeing as far ahead as I am. These are the results I am gathering. Now, this translates to many aspects of life, but I have been able to see it repeatedly on the pool table. It's geometry and intuition, billiards has really grown on me. Well I'm far, far from an expert, but I have a decent pool game. Many, many times I see shots that happen so fast and look so haphazard, that of course the other players are going to assume it was luck. I have no way of showing them what I'm thinking ahead of time, and calling the shot isn't something I do because for me it has an effect when I call the shot ahead of time. But I digress...

My point before I got off track was that you have to put in the farking work, a lot of it, because very few things easy are worth doing in life. All that effort, all that sweat, all the intent you put into molding yourself into what you see fit, it all pays off in huge dividends in the end. Something you work so hard on has to succeed at some point. If you falter or if you're not happy with the way things are going, work friggin harder. You will get back what you put out and then some, invest in yourself, love yourself. It will not happen overnight, I have countless reps invested and it has taken me a long, long time to begin to start to be happy with how I look as a person. This discipline is something instilled in me from the army, but it is something any person is capable of if you have the constitution to rebuild a human being. I make suggestions to people, I suggest this subject and this very thread all the time. I also suggest people consider health options other than traditional on occasion, but very few take me up on these suggestions, which is fine. I've always marched to a different beat, my entire life is extenuating circumstances, which makes me calmer than most when things get hairy.

Over the last few months, because of TRP, I have been dating and succeeding at it. Starting a few months ago, I began to notice how the way women look at me has changed. It has taken a lot of work, I lift weights and do cardio regularly. Now, that's not saying I'm the Hulk, because I surer than shite ain't. I still need to gain more weight. I am fit and toned physically, but what also comes from lifting weights, swinging a maul, cutting logs, and stacking wood, is mindfulness and inner peace. You hear it all the time, body and mind. It is no secret that my health has been questionable, but the awful coldness that flowed through my body when I was at my sickest, that which I couldn't control and had to witness hijack my mind first hand (see thread "Lyme disease") and do with it the most awful things it could, is currently gone. Instead my veins are coursing with good things, really good things. I feel equally as elevated right now as I felt low at my worst, it's insane.

One thing I had to learn was how to take a compliment. I am a physically handsome guy and I happen to have a pretty good personality as well, which did me absolutely no good for years because I refused to believe that. What I learned in the time I spent with one of the recent women I dated was, I had to learn to accept compliments. She didn't stop me and teach me this willingly, she taught me with her own actions. She was a pretty good looking woman. She's the same age as me, 39 years old, no kids. Unfortunately for this woman, she has a terrible self image. Multiple times she put herself down until I wasn't able to see things any other way. If the exact same woman had smiled more and been more positive and loved herself, she would have been attractive to me. It was because of this that I realized how that particular aspect of who I am as a person is so off-putting to others, and such changed my behavior to something more pleasant to say in reply, but more importantly, admitting to myself that women do find me attractive.

As I said though, it took interaction with those of the opposite sex who I find attractive for me to figure out that women do desire me. I have said many times before that I am pretty good at telling when someone is bullshitting me. Through my interactions with multiple women, and not only just women I've dated, I learned by looking in their eyes, watching their mannerisms, and the things they say, how they truly feel about me. By observing these women I have gathered enough proof for me to truly convince myself that I am indeed a desirable man to many of them. As I've dated, the women have improved incrementally, like climbing a ladder. When I meet them initially I'm usually excited, too excited experience has taught me. Inevitably though, they have all become less interesting quite fast. We've had some fun though.

That's not to say that I haven't been turned down along the way, and that's an important situation to master as well. One must not fret if they finally meet a woman they like, only to find that she didn't feel the same way about you. It can hurt, it can be crushing, but only if you let it. Me, I have it pretty good all by myself, and that's another key as well. No woman is going to be your salvation and rescue you from depression and a terrible life outlook. One must love oneself before anyone else will, and just as I've come to terms with this and begun to love this being I am, the women have been coming from every angle. Now I have a choice when before my choice was left or right. I should be choosing though, and I should be choosy, because I bring a lot to the table. If anyone comes along looking to tie me down, by all means, it could happen, however it won't if the person doesn't absolutely blow my mind and benefit my life substantially. I have the luxury of having a pretty good life on my own, so you can make that better or move along, because nobody is bringing me down.

This all being said, I read along with this thread, I looked at and watched every link provided, and I took it all in. I only went through everything once though and felt like I had been away from TRP for a while, especially when I was off the forum for a few months. Regardless of the fact that I hadn't brushed up on any of it recently, it was all in my head and working flawlessly without me even thinking about it the entire time. I really took to it and it seems to have sunk right in. I am TRP, I am MGTOW, and I will help any man I can along the way just as Tim has helped me. As stated, this isn't just about women and dating, this is a lifestyle. This is an improvement overall to one's life and keeps the order of things the way they should be, as opposed to the modern media you all watch that crams gender-bending, gay relationships, interracial mixing, and whatever else is their agenda down your throats and tries to brainwash you into thinking that's normal. Please pay close attention, as I am not anti-gay, and I'm not opposed to different races getting together. I do not look at only white women to date and have no problems hanging out with people of other races. What I do not appreciate is how every commercial, every TV show, every movie (The Last Jedi), is a farking commercial for equality and it crams this bullshit down all of our throats. If you can't see it I'm not going to explain, I've been away from media for years longer than you all, but it's bullshit. It's bullshit because it's intentional and I don't need anyone else's intent imposed upon me. To show you how fine of a line we're talking about here, using the aforementioned movie "The Last Jedi". If you've ever seen the original Star Wars movies from the 70's and early 80's, the best ones, episodes 4, 5, and 6, then you know there are plenty of women and men of all races in those movies. Also the much more recent Star Wars "Rogue One", an absolutely excellent movie, is also chock full of men and women of all colors, yet none of those movies are cramming feminist or gay or mixed gender or anti white male bullshit down our throats the way "The Last Jedi" does. Most modern TV shows and movies are full of that crap, you've been warned. Keep your man card, read TRP instead.

So where I go from here is a question which will be answered tomorrow. I know nothing this evening of what will occur tomorrow, other than knowing that I will be meeting someone of potentially serious consequence. If me from last year walked up right now I'd tell him what he has coming, then I'd kick his arse.

Thank you Tim and all other participants in this thread.

fabiodriven

01-12-2019, 10:41 PM

And I completely forgot, if you smoke cigarettes, they gotta go.

Scootertrash

01-13-2019, 08:51 AM

as opposed to the modern media you all watch that crams gender-bending, gay relationships, interracial mixing, and whatever else is their agenda down your throats and tries to brainwash you into thinking that's normal. Please pay close attention, as I am not anti-gay, and I'm not opposed to different races getting together. I do not look at only white women to date and have no problems hanging out with people of other races. What I do not appreciate is how every commercial, every TV show, every movie (The Last Jedi), is a farking commercial for equality and it crams this bullshit down all of our throats. If you can't see it I'm not going to explain, I've been away from media for years longer than you all, but it's bullshit. It's bullshit because it's intentional and I don't need anyone else's intent imposed upon me. To show you how fine of a line we're talking about here, using the aforementioned movie "The Last Jedi". If you've ever seen the original Star Wars movies from the 70's and early 80's, the best ones, episodes 4, 5, and 6, then you know there are plenty of women and men of all races in those movies. Also the much more recent Star Wars "Rogue One", an absolutely excellent movie, is also chock full of men and women of all colors, yet none of those movies are cramming feminist or gay or mixed gender or anti white male bullshit down our throats the way "The Last Jedi" does. Most modern TV shows and movies are full of that crap, you've been warned. Keep your man card, read TRP instead.

I watch very little TV, but I am also very aware of and have the ability to see thru the "progressive" bullshyte pumped thru TV nowadays. Gun control, illegal immigration, "war on women", LBGTWTFBBQ, white mans fault bullcrap. Every movie nowadays has a political message, especially childrens movies, more left wing socialist programming, a continuation of what's pumped into them in the government run school system. The leftists in Hollywood have no imagination whatsoever. Nothing new, all they do is remake Classics into modern politically correct toilet fillings with no toilet paper.

I've watched this thread because it's somewhat amusing. All the crap you guys describe in here wasn't tolerated by most men when I was a teenager/young adult in the late 70's/80's. Oh yea, it happened, but not on the scale it does today. We called it being pussy whipped. We didn't treat women like sh!t or degrade them, but we didn't put up with the "If Momma ain't happy, ain't nobody happy" BS.

My ex (emphasis on "ex") sister in law tried that crap on me once at a family gathering at my home. I told her "If Momma ain't happy, tough sh!t, not my problem". She was shocked, shocked I say! That I had the audacity and balls to say that to her, and looked to my brother to defend her. My brother told her she was on her own:lol::beer She demanded an apology and I told her "My house, my rules. If you don't like it, don't let the door hitcha where the good lord splitcha". She ended up leaving and I gave my brother a ride home later. She demanded he leave with her "if he had any respect for her". She left by herself :naughty::beer:lol:

I had to point out to a couple other women present who thought I was being a prick that when we were growing up we all were told multiple times by our parents "My house, My rules, If you don't like it you know where the door is" and we respected those rules. Sh!t ain't no different now.

Man I miss the old days!

atctim

01-14-2019, 04:01 PM

Fabio - you do not know how happy this all makes me. Seriously - it changed me for the better too. I can not agree more with all of the comments in here. Hollywood has become a joke to "real" people. There is nothing on TV worth watching, yet people coming back for more even with huge price increases. Part of my job is "TV service provider" and I side with my customers. Too much money for very low quality TV shows. I can agree with why so many people are cutting the cord!

I am a recovering habitual news watcher. I would always watch Fox News, as to me it was biased the same way I am. I agreed with nearly 100% of what was broadcast from their studios. People forget that everyone has opinions, and you are going to align with people who have common biases. I have all but stopped watching news (and stopped reading it on the web too) because for me realizing the same snake has two heads is what leads people to hate others - for reasons that are designed into the this disgusting plot for one world law. Divide these people!!!!! I feel I am smart enough to make my own decisions regarding politics, law, and policies, and guess what.......Since I gave up following this soap opera, nothing has happened for the better or worse. Nothing is going to happen to us that will be life changing. It's a royal waste of time, and can be considered entertainment just like sports or print. I have a few shows that I will watch - mainly adult comedy cartoons such as Family Guy or Bob's Burgers. Truth be told, I love watching old programming from The Andy Griffith show to the Twilight Zone. That is what I like for entertainment - old, innocent programming. If the old shows did not have a nice moral to every story, the others like the twilight Zone at least make you think about things. Nothing on TV makes people think anything now - all mind numbing by design. Normalizing the circus our culture has become. This has also come from me turning much more towards the Bible and a devotion to my God. I will never preach to someone who has opposing views on the subject so I will leave it at that. If you want to talk to me about it, I am always here.

To sum up what I am saying - stop being blinded by all of the outside factors. We all know what is right and wrong. We all know what our society is built on and build from. We need to continue on the quest to be the best "me" we can be. Nothing else really matters. It is the outside factors that make us re-think our gut instincts.. Deep inside us all we have the strength and smarts to be the men we were designed to be. Lead fellas, lead! take control of you and the rest will fall into place. And always do things as you see fit, because chances are, if an outside factor is trying to influence you, against your gut - it will be wrong! Also - lest we never forget biology. A quick look into the animal world of mammals is what we have strayed from. I've yet to see any gay animals in the wild!

ditchmud

01-15-2019, 06:50 AM

I too find myself drawn to this thread. It has changed my life for the most part. I have a long road to go and I often drift away from the self improvement portion of TRP, but the mindset is there and I believe it is set in stone now. I can see shyte test clearly and rarely fall for them. That alone has been a big improvement in my quality of life. I no longer feel used because I don’t let myself get used. I just need to work on my physical condition. I have a gym membership and I was going and working out hard. Even to the point that people were noticing my improvements. Then we went out of town for Thanksgiving to visit my son and when we returned I got pretty sick for about a week. Then after that it’s just been excuses. Pure laziness is my problem and It hurts to say and realize that truth. I need to overcome this barrier. It is my cross that I bear I guess. I always feel better when I go workout and I know it. I tell myself literally every day that today I am going back and then I don’t. Over and over I let myself down. Maybe today will be the day I finally go back and get to work on myself again? I’m sure to you all my problems seem so simple and I’m sure that you are probably 100% correct but I just struggle with this demon the way you all struggle with yours.

fabiodriven

01-16-2019, 02:56 AM

The lessons never end, the game evolves, and it seems as though when you have every scenario covered, everything changes.

My progress continues and I am very happy with the direction I'm heading still, however I did have a date this past weekend which didn't end up with a second date. This was unfortunate in a way, as this particular young lady was of very high value. I don't aim to materialize her by referring to her as such, I would describe myself the very same way. As far as dating goes at my age (39), having never been married with no kids, my own home, financially stable, and physically in shape, that makes me of quite high value. Things such as no vehicle, having kids (just my preference, everyone is different), or just no direction or forward momentum in life take away value to me. Well I met a young lady who checked off all the correct boxes, she had it everywhere, and she was seven years my junior. We met online and talked intensely for about a week before we met.

Cutting to the chase, it was an exemplary date. We were both everything we'd hoped for, it was one of the best first dates of my life. She expressed her approval of me thoroughly all night, it was a slam dunk. I woke up the next day thinking I was dating someone for sure and I felt great about her, which the "next day" test is huge for me. Well her "next day" test hadn't gone as well as mine did, so for whatever reason she was no longer into me. Complete 180 degree turn and left just as fast as she'd arrived. Now, I've had plenty of dates that didn't end up with any sort of follow up, it happens all the time. Never have I had a date go so well only to end up like this, clearly something happened overnight. I'm not quite sure what but I have some theories. It's irrelevant now.

Typically this would throw me into a tizzy and I'd be all out of sorts for a long time, and I'd take a step back and pause and distance myself from dating for a bit. Not this time. The situation was disappointing, however I have systematically been going on better and better dates as time is passing and learning more and more each time. It did sting a little bit this time, but I take that fire inside of me and put it to use on the weight bench. Every set I do with the weights is more effort towards my goal of the person I'd like to be, with or without a woman. Lol, honestly I have no use for anything but a woman who really does it for me and I'm perfectly happy on my own, so I'm not doing this for them. I'll be careful for the rest of my life how much I do for any woman based on 20 years of dating experience.

One thing I am now implementing when it comes to my interactions with women; Copious amounts of bullshit. Now, I pride myself on my honesty and integrity and my word as a man and I find it difficult to lie even a little bit. That's how I've always been, it's how I am naturally. The problem when you're dealing with women, and in my experience it is a huge percentage of them; They bend the rules when it comes to honesty, almost all of them. Integrity is questionable with most women, and they have no word as a man has with another man. Now I'm not talking about your mom and your sister, unless I've been dating them. I'm not saying that all women lie, I'm saying in my experience dating, it is a fact that most of them at least bend the truth. Or if they're not bending the truth, they are at the very least manipulating.

This is why I'm going to consciously start to bullshit them, because they are getting on my nerves. I am keeping my cool, I've been doing great, but the pattern I've seen is the less they know, the better. I meet these women and we start talking and talking and talking, and I'm a very open person. I have a feeling more often than not I'm telling them too much in good faith, things that I might not see having an effect on the two of us getting closer, yet maybe they do. I try to treat them like equals and good people, yet it seems like whenever I put my faith in one they take advantage. I am posting this here of course for the benefit of others who might like to make changes in their own lives, however I am posting this for my own benefit as well because typing this out is kind of like when you say something out loud to remember it. At least it is to me. I need to remember to bullshit these women more because they surer than shite are bullshitting me. If they want to play dirty that's fine. I've been playing by the rules for 20 years and it hasn't worked out as much as I'd prefer, so bullshit it is.

So the typically fragile and depressed Fabio just had an unfortunate interaction which seemed to go great but ultimately did not end up in a second date. This would typically crush him, right? Indeed, however this time I just texted someone else who I mentioned in this thread already, and she's still interested in getting together like we were. This one is just for fun, it's not the situation like the date this past weekend. The one from this past weekend would have been a keeper, but the other young lady is plenty attractive, nice, and we like to spend time together physically. Try as I might to get down on myself because the most recent woman wasn't into me, I cannot help but chuckle about my situation and smile. If my biggest problem right now is that I'm "relegated" to only having sex with an attractive young lady, then I'm doing pretty friggin good if I do say so myself. It's taken me a lot of work to be able to get to this point, so I don't feel bad about bragging. I was handed nothing aside from the knowledge here, which is extremely important, but the hard part is manifesting these words in real life as I have.

Another thing I'm going to implement is I need to spin more plates. If you don't know what that means you need to start at the beginning of this thread and read it again. Having a backup there when I feel as though I stumbled a bit has been a really good thing for me, and I need more options to explore. I'm typically too faithful, I give them too much credit and stop contact with others once I get one interested. No more of that. Even when I'm talking to one I need to continue chasing others. Again, saying that out loud for my own benefit as well as to the benefit of others.

Thanks for reading guys.

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atctim

01-16-2019, 11:19 AM

Fabio - please read, as this is what I think you need to hear right now. I realize this is all probably just a refresher for you - but I read this earlier this week and it SO applies to what your last post related to me. I'm not telling you what to do, however, rather than lowering yourself to "bullshit them" as they do to you, try calling them out on it. Give it a try!

This is a chapter from my book Understanding Women: Everything A Man Needs To Know About Women. (https://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Women-Everything-Needs-About-ebook/dp/B06XKCLBGV/) Enjoy.
Women never mature past of a child put another way women are said to be “the most responsible teenager in the house” and that’s the good ones. This is why women make horrible bosses, leaders, and decision makers. And why any country where the male populace is weak and pathetic enough to let women lead them will end up destroyed. And why working in a workplace that is all women is straight hell. Deep down women know this which is reason number 1,250,385 why they hate weak males who let them get away with their games. Just like a child would eventually resent a parent who constantly gave into them.
Women like children need leadership and guidance to end up anywhere productive. Left to their own devices they self-destruct (http://charlessledge.com/women-self-destruct-without-masculine-guidance/) just like children would. Women need men to lead, discipline, and keep them and line just like children. For example when you see a bratty child at the store who do you blame the child itself that is simply living out it’s nature? Or the parents who are too weak to discipline it? Spoiled rotten children at the result of weak parents likewise spoiled rotten women are the result of weak males.
She Wants You To Discipline HerAnd not just because she likes getting spanked. A woman just like a child is going to throw trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro tests (http://charlessledge.com/pass-trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro-tests-like-boss/) to the men around her to see which ones have strength and which ones are ball-less pussies. There is a evolutionary reason for this (as there is to all behavior of both men and women). Women and children are both weak. They know this deep down which is why they look to strength to keep them safe. Hence trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro tests, they are testing men to see which ones are going to be able to give them what they need to survive.
When you discipline a woman, when you call her out, when you have balls she knows that she can trust you and that you are a man with strength, which is obviously going to raise her attraction levels to you. Women are going to be drawn to men who are like a rock they don’t change for every passing wind, the tides can beat against them and they remain who they are. Women cannot lead nor control themselves. They need you to do so. Any man who gives into a woman or a child shows his weakness and is despised by both women and children.
Controlled By Their EmotionsChildren are completely controlled by their emotions as are women. What is meant by this is that logic is impervious to emotional feelings that women are having. It’s not that women aren’t capable of logic so much as it’s always overridden by whatever dominant emotion they are feeling is. This is why spiking a woman’s emotions is so key to sleeping with them. (http://charlessledge.com/number-one-key-sex-woman/) This is also why a woman can rationalize anything. Because it’s the emotions that matter to her and need validation, logic doesn’t play any part. If a woman feels right and believes she is right, logic never really enters into the picture (only so much as it can be used to justify her emotions and nothing more).
Now does this sound like the setup for someone who is going to be a good leader or make good decisions on their own? Of course not and anyone who would believe that is a fool. And truth be told no woman really believes this deep down (they’re just testing when they say they do) only weak males actually believe that women make capable leaders. Also this doesn’t make women evil or bad or anything of that nature. Women were never supposed to be men, despite what the average weak male thinks. And expecting them to be is nonsense women were meant to be women. And a woman is controlled by her emotions, which is fine because if you’re a strong masculine man you know how to handle this.
Never Take SeriouslyA man who takes what a woman says seriously (as in rationally and logically is a fool) and if you shot any woman up with truth serum she’d say the exact same thing. Women aren’t actually communicating rational thoughts or plans but rather whatever emotion that they are feeling in the moment. This is why when they say something and you tease them (http://charlessledge.com/good-bad-boy-teasing/) regardless of what they said they’ll enjoy it (again calibration is needed, if their mom just died and you tease them probably won’t be too happy…probably). Never take a woman seriously the way you would a man. They’re communicating their emotions, not facts and logic. Generally she wants her emotions validated nothing more.
Many weak males wish that women were more like men, probably to make up for their own deficiency in masculinity. And many women will try to fill this role (as society pretty much worships them for doing so) but deep down they will always be unfulfilled and resentful of the man who made them take up the slack in his masculinity. Everything works better when women are allowed to be woman and men are men. I think it’s weird so many guys wish their girl was more manly because they’re not sure how to handle her (because they lack masculinity themselves). These traits also allow women to be good mothers as well as support and love you even when they have no idea what you do or how you do it and never will.
SummaryI see so many men who with their words talk against feminism and the ills it brings but then act it out with their actions. They’ll talk about the stupidity of feminism but then kowtow to their wives with whatever they want. They’re the type that would roll their eyes at the women’s mark but then repeat “Happy wife, happy life” to their friends. They’re women are begging to be led (http://charlessledge.com/single-sexiest-thing-can-woman-lead/) and sad that their man’s masculinity is a facade around weakness. Don’t be this kind of guy. Remember women are like children and should be treated as such. Everyone wins in the end.
If you have any questions you would like to see answered in a future post send them to me at charlessledge001 (at) gmail (dot) com. If you found value in this post then I would encourage you to share this site with someone who may need it as well as check out my books here. (http://www.amazon.com/-/e/B01E1SWI88) I appreciate it. You can follow me on Twitter here. (https://twitter.com/CSledge001)
-Charles Sledge

fabiodriven

01-24-2019, 08:47 PM

This is why I will call you my mentor Tim. I should check with you before any idea I have on my own. Your last post is completely correct, and I knew it as soon as I read it. Thank you yet again.

Onward and upward, there is no ceiling on this ride. A week and a half ago I went on an EXEMPLARY first date. I mentioned that already in last week's posting. I also mentioned how I found out the next day that she was not interested. It was very unexpected (for reasons I already shared), and it was quite a disappointment. It did hurt a little bit, and it was in the back of my mind for a few days, however that's a drastic improvement over how I would have handled this even six months ago. I would have been ripped to pieces over this, it would have shut me right down and set me back months. Take this behavior and repeat it over and over again, and it makes sense why I would be so single for such a long time. It is plain to see now though and thus handle, after much hard work getting to this point that is.

Jumping right back into things after last week's disappointment seemed a little tricky at first, briefly. Very briefly. I knew I had to get right back into it, and I knew what I needed next. I needed more plates spinning. I had a phuck friend to fall back on this time, and I didn't even think about that until later on the next day after finding out the other one wasn't interested. I texted phuck friend, who I hadn't been in touch with for a couple weeks, and she had been wondering where I was. That was good because it took my mind off the other one. Also, the phuck friend is a good influence on me dating wise. She knows I'm hunting for other women and she's fine with that. I can use the swagger I get from being with her to apply to ascertaining other women, more plates to spin.

For the amount of years I have on dating sites, I should be an expert on them. I can say right now finally, that I am just that. Just a few months ago, I'd be lucky to get any replies at all to messages I sent out, never mind random messages from women who initiated contact. That was completely non-existent. Sometimes I'd be lucky enough to start a conversation with someone who was most likely a huge compromise for me, nobody even worth considering in real life, but when you have a poor self image then you "take what you can get". This never worked. All it led to were tons and tons of pointless conversations that went nowhere fast and ended even faster, or terrible dates that caused more anguish than anything else, and led to more disappointment. It was a downhill slide that just got worse the further along I slid, every poor decision or circumstance fueling the next. Hence the terrible dating situations I ended up in for years on end.

Now, thanks to Tim, this thread, and the other good men posting, things are directly the opposite. I go on dating sites now, and I send far less messages. Sometimes I'll peruse the whole site and there will be nobody worth my messages, which is fine. Other times I'll happen upon a real peach, and I won't say they all reply, but a lot of them do now, and a lot of them get really interested really quickly. I dare say I have the upper hand now, and not just on the internet, in real life as well. Obviously my true aura has been accurately captured by my internet dating profiles and I do not disappoint in person. I am the prize now instead of them, the tables have been turned. I get the messages now, I get contacted by them. I get to decide who is worth my time and who isn't. I am not the one waiting for them to reply to me anymore, they are waiting for me to reply to them.

Time to brag! It's OK to brag after a metric ton of hard work both physically and mentally to get to this point, and I'm not even close to being done. I want to see someone else brag here too, I want other men to figure this stuff out. I want to share my experiences with others because I want to see others walk the path I have. There is no way you could come from a sadder place than myself, I was as sad sack as they get. If you want to get your arse in gear and obtain what I have, you have to make serious life decisions and put in some work. Then you will start to be happy with what life is offering you. As I sit here now, I have three women on the line. As a reminder, I am 39 years old.

Plate #1 is Phuck friend. Phuck friend is 37 and is physically beautiful as well as absolutely hilarious to be in touch with, great personality. We get along great, and we phuck.

The other two current options I have yet to meet in person and I've been in touch with both for a very short time thus far.

Plate #2 is a 28 year old woman who appears attractive (so far), who has no kids and has never been married. She's a bit of a hard luck case so this would be a situation to proceed with caution. I used to think of hard luck cases as bargain basement pricing on an otherwise attractive (physically) person. The reality is a very high portion of hard luck cases can end up being trouble. Nine times out of ten they are not worth it. My value was taught to me by this thread and I know I am dating below my value on this one, but I'm going to keep her around for the time being and likely meet her in person at some point just to see what she has to offer. This one has nothing to offer but herself, but if she's the right person that's all I would want from her. Still, I know that a hard luck case turning into anything significant is unlikely. Impossible? Definitely not. I will say though, the last one I was talking to who had her own money, car, and house really got me revved up. I've never even had the option of dating someone with all their own stuff before I met that one, and it was an interesting feeling thinking about dating someone who has all their own life and things.

Plate #3 is the most recent. Just like plate #2, I've not yet met plate #3. Plate #3 is a very interesting choice, and I must pause for a moment here just to state that every time I meet a woman for consideration, they are getting more and more interesting as I go. They are also improving as I go. Every time I feel like I might be disappointed that something fell through with a woman because she had so much going for her, because we had so much in common, or because she was so special in so many ways, I find one who is even better. I don't even understand how it's possible, but it is. Now, bear in mind here I've never met the following woman of whom I am about to speak, and we've only just begun contact. We matched up on Tinder and I actually "super liked" her (which means nothing to anyone who doesn't use Tinder, but it's a shot in the dark that scored me big points this time[would seem like a coincidence to others but I don't believe in coincidence]). The reason I "super liked" this particular person was because of her particular style and beauty. She is a phucking dime piece. She's a 35 year old, thin, blonde, bright blue (almost grey) eyed, pediatrician from Denmark who moved to Boston this past summer. Now that's a pretty good list of pros, but there is one con. She has a daughter. I'm not keen on dating those with children, especially so since I plan to move out of this state, and I actually explained this to her* and her reply was to ask me to meet her for coffee sometime soon. This one is far too good, even with baggage, to leave on the table, and I hope we end up meeting. I'd like to think we will. But no bee ess, a phuckin sa-mokeshow Danish pediatrician. How could it get better? I will let you know.

*One attribute of my successes in dating as of late has been me speaking my mind and saying exactly what I want. They either love that, or they're deterred by it. Those you are deterring because of your ability to express what you desire and subsequently manifest it are those you don't want around in the first place, so let them say what they want about you and your lifestyle as they go the other direction, because it was your choice to send them that way, not theirs. Let them grumble as you defeat them, that's fine. Meanwhile there are tons and tons of other women out there who want you to speak your mind, who want to know what you're thinking, and who ultimately want your guidance, even though they don't know that. My dating profile is very honest and up front. It says what I have to offer, which is a lot, and it says what I want, which is also a lot. When you bring a lot you can ask for a lot too, that's how it works. Work on yourself for a very long time before you think you're some kind of Fabio though, because it has taken me years to get to this point. Even though I've only been on TRP for just about a year now, I started making conscious improvements to myself long before that. TRP just taught me the most important things and brought together all the other things I had studied and showed me how to use them.

Much of this post has been on the subject of internet dating. If you recall, I have lambasted internet dating multiple times in this thread in the past. I was frustrated because it wasn't working out for me. It can work and it does.

And let's hold that thought as I just got a message from plate #4. I thought she was out. I hadn't heard from her since Sunday (it's Thursday now), but as I sit here typing this I just received a message from her. Very interesting. Plate #4 is a 29 year old blonde with no children. Her pictures could be more clear but she has a lot of potential.

As I was saying, much of this post has to do with internet dating. Let us not forget the importance of interacting with women in person as well, which traditionally has been my preferred method of approach. I speak to women in a different language than I used to now, it's called charming. It doesn't matter if I find them attractive or not, I speak to them all that way and watch their reactions, then catalog those behaviors and apply them to situations with women I am attracted to. Easy peasy Japanesey, or as Steve would say, "chicken". I like women, specifically very attractive women. Attractive women come in all ages, but for whatever reason I seem to be attracted to younger women. Today at the store I had the 21 year old(?) cashier laughing the entire time she was cashing out my order, and it wasn't even on purpose. I was just talking to her about the things that were crossing my mind, about the things I was buying and stuff. It's great to see that reaction from women, especially women 20 years younger than myself. To others who like them young, age is just a number. Almost every woman I interact with makes a comment on my age and how I look more like 29 than I do 39, which is genetics in my case. I've always been a late bloomer. You must work with what you've been given though, just like washing your car before a car show. You must put work in or you will get back results which may not appease you. You must realize what it is you have to offer, and if that's not much, you need to work on that. If you prefer young women and you're not breaking any laws or disturbing anyone's family, if two consenting adults are interested in each other, it doesn't matter how many people sneer or look at you in a "different way", let them. I've no need of judgemental people around me anyways. If ten women along the way think you have a problem for hitting on a woman 20 years younger than you, who gives a flying frig when the young lady is within your reach and glad you approached her? I win in the end. What's the worst that can happen if you ask? She says no? Oh well..

Or you can settle.

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fabiodriven

01-24-2019, 09:56 PM

Now the biggest problem I can see is I'm going to have a lot of dates to go on.

Scootertrash

01-25-2019, 11:03 AM

Interesting "Mens" commercial. Wonder where women get these ideas? Thanks to Mainstream Media

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=koPmuEyP3a0

atctim

01-25-2019, 12:53 PM

Fabio: Good on you. I love seeing the TRP actually working in real time. It truly is amazing that we have gotten so far off the beaten path that men don't even know how to act anymore.

I applaud you as you continue your journey and am always giddy to read your updates. In my personal life I have had a rough go of it, but when applying TRP - things get better, and seem to fall into place, even in a LTR. Since picking up the pace, the woman has taken notice and it has been far better for me. She now understands that I am the leader and the rock, and she is better off for being with me.

Keep up the good work brother!

plastikosmd

01-25-2019, 01:21 PM

Dollar shave club here I come

83ATC185

01-25-2019, 05:34 PM

Get a good quality DE safety razor and never look back. I like the superspeed red tip. Cost me nothing as it was a handmedown and blades are a nickel. I bet one would only cost you 5 bucks or so....

It took me a long time to learn that women don't want you to give in to them, that she's not a man, she doesn't want to come to an agreement or compromise. Took me a long time to realize that. This thread is full of stuff that i think we all know deep down but forget. I've been in a steady relationship for 10 years and now the trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro tests only happen every few weeks or so although us moving in together has brought up a whole new list of things to disagree about :lol:

Scootertrash

01-25-2019, 06:42 PM

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Charge yer phone Dood! :lol:

fabiodriven

01-25-2019, 10:20 PM

Interesting "Mens" commercial. Wonder where women get these ideas? Thanks to Mainstream Media

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=koPmuEyP3a0

Thank you for sharing that Scooter, and I will never give Gillette another dime. It shames me that one of the biggest companies in Boston is promoting bullshit like that.

ironchop

01-26-2019, 12:08 PM

Thank you for sharing that Scooter, and I will never give Gillette another dime. It shames me that one of the biggest companies in Boston is promoting bullshit like that.

Signalling is everyone's new favorite pastime, it seems.

I'm waiting for the bandwagon to overfill so that it tips over on it's side and dumps them all off onto the ground where they belong.

Business only cares about business. I don't know why people actually believe that the folks at Nike or Gillette or any other supposedly 'socially conscious' corporations care one bit about a social issue. They care about profits.

For an example, take Nike........ These dickheads aren't stupid. They did demographic studies, I'm certain, before any Colin Kapperwhiner ad campaign was ok'ed for release to the public. They determined Kap was a hero to the dispossessed black youth in this country and then they decided to play that up in a bid for more sales. It totally worked. They lost some customers, but gained more in sales so it was a healthy gamble.

Ironically, Nike uses exploited Asian laborers to make shoes that are then marked up 6000% and marketed to the same oppressed black folks that they claim to care about and yet, nobody has pointed that out. If Nike gave a damn about helping black communities up onto their feet, they would sell Air Jordans for $79.85 instead of $200

Since their posturing has no real substance, they decided to employ Kap to signal for them, that way they don't have to make any real social change that might endanger future profit margins.

As far as Gillette is concerned, I don't know WTF they were thinking. Maybe they wanted to sell more Lady razors?. Nike gambled with 40% of their customers while Gillette seems to have totally missed their demographic altogether. Most socially concious hipsters I know have beards now so it's not like Gillette is getting rich off those folks

fabiodriven

01-26-2019, 01:54 PM

I have a first date today with plate #2 from post #275, she's the hard luck case. I've already said how I feel about dating hard luck cases, so in a way I'm not taking this date super serious. She's far more into me than I am her at this point, but coming from where she is I would imagine that I would appear quite a desirable life option to her. As I've said, I bring a lot to the table. This one brings herself, and that's it. Spending the time I have communicating with the current plate #2 has taught me that there is a part of me that finds the prospect of a more successful woman interesting. That isn't something that mattered much to me before, but also my own self value was extremely low at that point. There are a lot of newer circumstances with me getting to the point I am that I have to get used to yet, and this is exactly why I told this young lady that I will be moving very slow and cautiously. No pound town today, I don't need that complexity in this situation.

Today I'm glad I've stuck to my guns about moving slowly with her, not that she hasn't agreed with that idea from the start. The reality of these situations hits me much harder once they begin to come to fruition. For instance, in the past I've jumped head first into the idea of falling for someone and having them move away with me or something, then we have sex, then I really start to have second thoughts about spending more time with this person, then because we had sex things get really difficult.

I would like to say again really quick, typing these things out can serve to help anyone who reads this, but I am sharing these thoughts right now for my own benefit as well. There are things I have been trying to work on and it's much easier for me to remember to work on these things if I share them.

So anyways, over and over again I have told myself I have to slow down with these women in the beginning, we start out way too fast. It's been a conscious effort for me slow down more and more, and I still have more to go. I could compare it to when I was learning more about billiards two years ago and I was shooting way too fast, so I had to slow it down. At first I thought I slowed the ball way down, and my shooting improved. But then I slowed it down way more, and my shooting improved yet again. As you may have guessed, I slowed down more and more and got better and better. By the time I'd figured out how to shoot, that first increment of "slowing down" which seemed to be such a large amount was just a drop in the bucket in the end. Similarly, I must slow down my movements with my dating. I have to start taking it easy and not taking every single woman into consideration for marriage.

Also, where it is very likely I will be moving to NY this spring, I would be shooting myself in the foot by bringing sand to the beach (a woman with me when I move). After I move, my options for women are going to skyrocket, and here is why. In NY where the great Mik6 lives (and I'm looking to buy), it is a much more simple way of life. There are a lot more women there than there are here, they are better looking overall, and they are more obtainable. Not only that, but moving out of hoity-toity Massachusetts and into podunk NY does increase my value by comparison. I've said this before, big fish small pond. I would be a much better option of man than a lot of the men out there, and I don't aim to insult anyone who lives in more simple areas than myself. I was brought up where life is expensive so it's all I know. Had I been brought up in a more simple place, it might not be so easy for me to have the options I do. It's a lot easier to move from a well-off area to a simpler one than it is vice-versa. Basically what I'm getting at is it would be ridiculous for me to bring anyone aside from a perfect goddess there with me, because I'm sacrificing the potential of exploring a lot of beautiful new women by doing that.

The other really big thing to consider is how much traveling I will be able to afford to do once I move to NY. If I can travel around and meet all kinds of people all over the planet, I would be silly to leave that option on the table for anyone who isn't absolutely perfect for me in every way. This is another reason why a woman with her own money and life is becoming more appealing to me. It would be nice to meet someone who could afford to travel with me, and who also has the time to do so. I feel like if someone like that doesn't come along, I should exercise extreme caution exploring any other options as far as women go. I stand to lose very much personally by taking someone on in my life who couldn't or wouldn't do what I have planned on their own basically.

I have explained this same thing to plate #2 so she's aware of what she's up against. This is why I have a feeling this date may not amount to much, not to sound pessimistic. I'm all in for meeting new people, that's why I do this, but there is no longer any need for disappointment if they're not "the one". The more connections I have with women though, the better. It's just simple math, the more you have around the more likely you will be to fall into bed or love with one here or there.

And quickly, I love being in love, more than anything, which is why I chased it so hard in the past. I think very differently now. You cannot produce a situation when two people fall in love, it just has to happen. As much as I have enjoyed being in love with another person in the past, I have no place for compromises right now. I will not "make love work" to take the burden off my heart or anything like that. One because it doesn't work that way and two because there is no longer any burden on my heart. I don't need to be in love anymore which is great, and the only person who's going to get me is going to have to be really special or it's just not going to happen at all.

Thanks again to everyone for reading and replying. Again, I'm thinking out loud here, so I thank all of you because doing this is beneficial for me. I have parameters to set and maintain and I can have meetings with myself all day in my head but still forget key points. This helps me mold myself.

ironchop

01-26-2019, 03:05 PM

....
Also, where it is very likely I will be moving to NY this spring, I would be shooting myself in the foot by bringing sand to the beach (a woman with me when I move). After I move, my options for women are going to skyrocket, and here is why. In NY where the great Mik6 lives (and I'm looking to buy), it is a much more simple way of life. There are a lot more women there than there are here, they are better looking overall, and they are more obtainable. Not only that, but moving out of hoity-toity Massachusetts and into podunk NY does increase my value by comparison. I've said this before, big fish small pond. I would be a much better option of man than a lot of the men out there, and I don't aim to insult anyone who lives in more simple areas than myself....

First, good luck on your date.

Second, I grew up on a farm far out in a rural area and then I moved to Indianapolis at 18 and tried that nonsense for 12 yrs. It was only about 1.4m ppl in the metropolitan area then, so not really a huge city by any stretch of the imagination. It's about 2.4 million now, I think. Anyway, I hated being far away from the excitement and people until I had over a decade of it and then I wanted to get the f*** out of that place as soon as possible and find a dinky town in the middle of nowhere. Enter, Alvaton Kentucky.

You'll probably notice right off the bat, how much less stressed and friendly everyone is in a place with a simpler way of life. Things are slowed down. Here, people don't speed as much as alot of places I've been like Indy, except for those Vols that come across the state line for work and I'm the only person I know of that road rages here. My car windows are tinted dark so nobody can see me give them the finger anyway. People tend to take things in stride in the smaller, more rural places and small towns I've lived in. The women are also more approachable and useful in alot of cases and I'm not saying that country makes you an honest person. I'm just saying that sometimes when you take away something like stress from living in a big urban area, it gives a person a chance to breathe and feel peace and relative safety (knowing that you aren't getting carjacked or all your stuff stolen most likely). Someone who can breathe and find peace might be more prone to optimism rather than pessimism and an optimist makes better relationship material. There are exceptions, of course.

I'm basing my opinions on the perceptions that I've developed from my days living in Indy proper and also my travels on the east coast for work specifically Brooklyn NY, Queens, Staten Island, Long Island (Commack and the Hamptons), Baltimore and most of Maryland, all of New Jersey, and a few places in Connecticut.... You East Coast folks were somewhat more high strung and angry than the Indy folks and the degree of 'strung' was directly proportional to the population density per acre of the area I was in at any given time. Brooklyn and Boston being the two most irritating driving experiences I have ever had. It was like ThunderDome up in Brooklyn/Queens on the major thoroughfares with New Jersey and their roundabouts all over the place coming in second. Dallas/Ft Worth would be the fastest average highway speeds of the traffic flow I've ever driven because Texans DGAF and they like to get there right now without delay.

My point is, less people equals less stress for all and less stressful populations are easier to deal with on a daily for those of us who really don't like most people anyway. This kind of address change has done wonders for my life and I am much better for it all around, for sure.... Plus noone ever breaks into my house or steals my car anymore so it's nice to actually accumulate things rather than replacing your stolen goods all the time. When I hear gunfire, I know that my neighbor's are just having some target practice and that I'm probably invited to walk over and attend already since I know most of the people on my road and all of my closest neighbors.

I'm betting that you will adapt and adjust just fine if you indeed move to a smaller simpler place and you might even end up loving it. I've always wanted to head up there for Mik6 ride (Oswego?) but it's a helluva drive for me.... It's on my bucket list already.

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El Camexican

01-26-2019, 05:59 PM

As far as Gillette is concerned, I don't know WTF they were thinking. Maybe they wanted to sell more Lady razors?. Nike gambled with 40% of their customers while Gillette seems to have totally missed their demographic altogether. Most socially concious hipsters I know have beards now so it's not like Gillette is getting rich off those folks

According my daughter Gillette charges more for Pink razors than blue and they’re not the only ones to charge women more than men for essentially the same thing. It’s know as “the pink tax”

I’m not gonna throw my stuff out, or burn it to make a point, but I will go out of my way to never buy another Gillette product if I can help it. Nike was already on the no buy list.

ironchop

01-26-2019, 06:19 PM

A rebuttal.....

https://youtu.be/v_bXmXD1g30

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Scootertrash

01-27-2019, 12:54 AM

A rebuttal.....

https://youtu.be/v_bXmXD1g30

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I was going to LOL, but I don't want to piss off great Gramps:beer

6bt

01-28-2019, 01:09 AM

fabiodriven

01-28-2019, 01:11 AM

The village of Scriba in Oswego.

atctim

01-29-2019, 12:47 PM

This right here fellas. This is so true - so much so that I would think any honest woman would agree. And the beat goes on........................

This article is alarmingly true in ways that nearly bring tears to my eyes.

One of my favorite hobbies is cooking. I cook a good 90% of the meals for my family. And for guests, visitors, strangers, people at work. I’m no Martha Stewart, but I’m a decent cook, and I really enjoy doing it. Not the cutting, not the standing at the stove, not dabbling in the spice rack, but just the overall act of creating food that other people enjoy. Whenever my wife is wowed by something I made, she always asks “What did you put in here?” and I always respond “Love.” She chuckles like I’m joking, then asks what I really put in there, but that was a pretty honest response. I cook with love. There’s a piece of me on each plate. There’s just something about creating an enjoyable, nourishing, and just plain tasty dish, and having other people enjoy the thing I created. To share my love in that way.

What I do today used to be what most women did all the time. Not because they were oppressed and forced to by the evil patriarchy, but because it was an admirable thing to spend the day creating something, out of love, and nourishing your family with it. To bring homemade pastries to the neighbors. To make the appetizers for your kid’s event. To invite your husband’s boss over for dinner. To share your love. Everyone’s got to eat, so the one universal way you can give your love to everyone is by feeding them.

Today, most modern women laugh and spit at the act of cooking. Or cleaning. Or folding the laundry. Or having sex with their husbands. The very notion of doing anything that serves, helps, facilitates, or gratifies another person – especially a man and especially, especially their husband--is demeaning, oppressive, and downright insulting. It’s not so much that women brag about not knowing how to cook. They brag that they don’t have to cook.

That’s really the modern woman’s ideal. The less they have to do, the more bragging rights they have among other women. The ideal situation is to marry a hot, wealthy, superman of male candidates, but not have to get a job and work, cook for the family, clean the house and do laundry, or have sex with her husband. That’s the epitome of self-worth in the most women’s eyes. I’m so hot that my husband “loves me for me”! Which is code for: I don’t have to do anything, just exist. My vagina is so valuable, just for being a vagina, that I don’t have to do anything for anybody else. Everybody does for me. I’m a princess. That is the highest epitome of female bragging rights among their peers.

Oh, but if the husband ever loses his job, doesn’t take the trash out, or leaves the toilet seat up, he’s getting divorced. A princess shouldn’t have to put up with that trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro.

Gabriel

01-29-2019, 01:27 PM

Good post ATCTim.

Makes me glad I didn't marry a girl...I married a LADY. Contrary to popular belief, but absolutely TRUE; All Ladies are female but not all females are Ladies. Having a vagina does NOT make you a lady.
My wife is a rare breed. She knows her place (LOL!!!) and is quick (...and will cut me to the bone!) to put me in mine. It's a Man's place to do "this" and a "woman's" place to do that. It's the whole reasoning behind God making a HELP-MATE. Equal but opposite. That gets into simple physics and cannot be denied.

I hate girls. They are worthless. ....A lady on the other hand, such as my wife, does not and will not subscribe to the politically correct BS being rammed down our throats. My wife is (or would be if she associated with any) hated by the "modern woman". It's her contention that it is MY job to work and provide. By the sweat of my brow do we eat bread. It's her job to wipe the sweat from my brow and be a pillar on which i can lean when I am weary. I squash spiders, I make money....She manages that money (extremely well) and provides council and in all the years I have known her, has never lied nor steered me wrong. Though, sometimes I wish she would lie on occasion, truth is a sharp blade indeed.
I wouldn't know whether to scratch my watch or wind my azz if not for her. King Solomon once wrote; Who can buy a good woman? For her price is far beyond rubies.
The average modern woman is worth a buck and a quarter at the most.
Don't mistake my opinion for misogyny. The modern male is equally worthless. I'm lost as to why being a gentleman and a REAL man is so bad.
Funny thing, my wife NEVER has an eye for anyone other than me and I her but she once said, the sexiest most perfect man other than me was Charles Ingalls. An honest, hard working, God fearing simple family man that, if pushed, will knock your teeth out. LOL!!!!

fabiodriven

01-30-2019, 06:45 AM

What ?................................................. ...................Oh HI Gabriel

You keep this up and I'm telling RamsesRibb!

Gabriel

01-30-2019, 09:41 AM

Who left Glamy’s cage door open?!!?
For god sakes if you’re gonna get him out, put him back when you’re done!!!!

atctim

01-31-2019, 10:46 AM

And then there is this......................

APA's War on Masculinity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO93hW_uVao

ironchop

01-31-2019, 11:44 AM

And then there is this......................

APA's War on Masculinity

Whenever I see any of this nonsense trying to poison my mind, my antidote is a healthy dose of Psychologist Jordan Petersen. He destroys these people on a regular basis.

The prime directive for humans is sex, period.

You can try and change the societal norms for masculinity, but you cannot change what women find attractive and desirable in a man no matter how hard you try.

It's telling how it appears to be beta and lower males, angry lesbians (the gay males I know personally are attracted to masculine partners more than effeminate), and those straight white Knight/goodguy defensive types that are trying to appear gyno-centric and "protective of women's rights" as merely an attempt to get laid or to be considered for laying by Prog chicks. Appearing sympathetic to women's issues is really a part of the modern mating dance for alot of males and most of them are in rabid denial of this fact

The people with gender resent and the ones who either don't grasp the concept of masculinity, or have failed or refused to attain it, are the ones trying to change these norms so that they themselves stand a better chance with women.

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Scootertrash

01-31-2019, 12:25 PM

Whenever I see any of this nonsense trying to poison my mind, my antidote is a healthy dose of Psychologist Jordan Petersen. He destroys these people on a regular basis.

The prime directive for humans is sex, period.

You can try and change the societal norms for masculinity, but you cannot change what women find attractive and desirable in a man no matter how hard you try.

It's telling how it appears to be beta and lower males, angry lesbians (the gay males I know personally are attracted to masculine partners more than effeminate), and those straight white Knight/goodguy defensive types that are trying to appear gyno-centric and "protective of women's rights" as merely an attempt to get laid or to be considered for laying by Prog chicks. Appearing sympathetic to women's issues is really a part of the modern mating dance for alot of males and most of them are in rabid denial of this fact

The people with gender resent and the ones who either don't grasp the concept of masculinity, or have failed or refused to attain it, are the ones trying to change these norms so that they themselves stand a better chance with women.

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There's so much testosterone in your post it gave me a chubby, it turns me on you manly, macho stud you! Can I buy you a drink......:naughty::lol:

6bt

01-31-2019, 01:50 PM

The village of Scriba in Oswego.Ah not terribly far from me. Lots of lake effect snow though.

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atctim

01-31-2019, 01:55 PM

ironchop

01-31-2019, 02:18 PM

I think something obvious staring us in the face is that the American Psychologist Association is in need of an appointment with a Psychologist itself. To use political talking points and a garbage agenda to go against the very will of nature is in itself insane. So what shrink should this association use? Where are the watchdogs for the APA, because they are not doing their job. Just more mindless policies and ideologies for the nuts to sink their teeth into while the sane just grit theirs.

Yeah they lost me when suddenly they decided to change the classification used to describe people with gender dysphoria and the subsequent treatment which now observes PC culture and now considers transition surgery, "puberty suppression", and hormone therapy to be a valid "treatment" for delusions

When my Uncle Bob went delusional and thought he was General Patton, even insisted on it, I doubt that the "accepted" course of treatment would be to reinforce my uncle Bob's delusions and find him a tank battalion to command.... That is, until PC CULTURE also invades Alzheimer's clinics

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Scootertrash

01-31-2019, 02:29 PM

Hey now !...........you`d better move over ...rover ...........dat Chopmasterson is mine !:Bounce:eek::Bounce:eek::Bounce:eek::Bounce...... ...i gotta disagree on Jordan Peterson thou .........check out his lecture on DMT ........pure garbage !...........does he think he`s an authority on a subject because he`s read something on it ? .........he`s a pencil dick .........i`d break him in half .......i still love me some Chopmasterson !

Sharing is caring ya know :eek: ;)

ironchop

01-31-2019, 02:37 PM

Sharing is caring ya know :eek: ;)You and Glamy finally agree on something.

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Scootertrash

01-31-2019, 04:06 PM

Yeah ......maybe we can meat....in the middle !

:lol::Bounce:Bounce:beer:w00t::lol:

atctim

02-05-2019, 09:49 AM

So now we all know, a man who wants to be a woman can pretend to be a woman and demand they be treated as such, and a woman who wants to be a man can pretend to be a man and "become one" all legally and with gov't approval - you know the whole restroom issue and whatnot - but now there is an exception. If the man who pretends to be a woman is better at something than an actual woman, then the goal posts must move. Is this a stand for common sense, or will there be a struggle within the lunatic culture on this issue. it's quite the conundrum.

https://www.outsports.com/2019/2/1/18204036/usa-powerlifting-trans-athlete-policy-jaycee-cooper

ironchop

02-05-2019, 09:59 AM

If the man who pretends to be a woman is better at something than an actual woman, then the goal posts must move. Is this a stand for common sense, or will there be a struggle within the lunatic culture on this issue. it's quite the conundrum.

LMFAO....

So they are forced to admit that women and men can't be expected to compete together because it's unfair?

And that a trans woman is still a man in most regards at least whereas it concerns physical might?

I can't wait to see the Left wing civil war break out amongst it's own sycophants.

They are starting to paint themselves into a corner with their nonsense and just like every single time before now, PC culture will devour itself. It was never really about political correctness as it was a tool for signalling moral high ground. Nothing to do with oppression at all.... Just ego stroking

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atctim

02-05-2019, 11:48 AM

LMFAO....

So they are forced to admit that women and men can't be expected to compete together because it's unfair?

And that a trans woman is still a man in most regards at least whereas it concerns physical might?

I can't wait to see the Left wing civil war break out amongst it's own sycophants.

They are starting to paint themselves into a corner with their nonsense and just like every single time before now, PC culture will devour itself. It was never really about political correctness as it was a tool for signalling moral high ground. Nothing to do with oppression at all.... Just ego stroking

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Chop, Do you see this as a start to the end of the nonsense? Or will this be swept under the rug for the time being? I can actually see hope in this headline that reasonable people from all walks of life are starting to see thru the bull crap. I'm being optimistic, but maybe.................

ironchop

02-05-2019, 12:01 PM

Chop, Do you see this as a start to the end of the nonsense? Or will this be swept under the rug for the time being? I can actually see hope in this headline that reasonable people from all walks of life are starting to see thru the bull crap. I'm being optimistic, but maybe.................Yeah that's my impression.

It's all starting to implode. I figured that it was coming when a tranny decathlon athlete from the 70s made woman of the year over all the real women and also when that boy in Texas (?) dressed up like a girl so that he could compete and win the girls highschool state wrestling championship there. Alot of females were upset with that but the school and the HS sanctioning body was wanting to stay PC so they ruled against the girls.

You have noticed that Girl Scouts are now distancing themselves from the 'inclusivity/equality/fairness' ideology that they held onto so strongly before. Now they want boys and girls to stay separate since they didn't think that letting girls join boy scouts would hurt their own bottom line until it did..... And now they are fighting the boy scouts in court for letting girls in because 'it's unfair'

Moving the goal posts

I always figured that females and other 'oppressed' classes would be the ones to kill PC culture once and for all as soon as it threatened them or stopped working for them.

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Arky-X

02-05-2019, 06:57 PM

...... and also when that boy in Texas (?) dressed up like a girl so that he could compete and win the girls highschool state wrestling championship there. Alot of females were upset with that but the school and the HS sanctioning body was wanting to stay PC so they ruled against the girls.

They should have just kicked him in the nuts. I guess that would have been against the rules.

You have noticed that Girl Scouts are now distancing themselves from the 'inclusivity/equality/fairness' ideology that they held onto so strongly before. Now they want boys and girls to stay separate since they didn't think that letting girls join boy scouts would hurt their own bottom line until it did..... And now they are fighting the boy scouts in court for letting girls in because 'it's unfair'

Like the Gillette commercial and Nike with Kaepernick......it's ok until it hurts the bottom line.
Look, we care....oh wait....no we don't.

ironchop

02-07-2019, 11:58 AM

Found this two and 1/2 year old Time article on accident. Very eye-opening indeed....

http://amp.timeinc.net/time/3222543/wage-pay-gap-myth-feminism

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atctim

02-07-2019, 02:01 PM

This is interesting and compelling!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxpX6IQ3GY4

The ending has some BS I don't agree with (most noteworthy he mentions we are to be living in paradise), nonetheless - very interesting.

ironchop

02-07-2019, 04:36 PM

I'm sure she feels 'empowered'

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190207/adb2edfef11b6fe38494313de3a974d2.jpg

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fabiodriven

02-23-2019, 05:17 PM

Today I made a mistake.

I found myself in a gas station with a Dunkin Donuts waiting for a bagel. Behind the counter of the dunks were two cute young girls, but too young. Behind the gas station counter were two other young girls, maybe slightly older, but still very young. At the ATM was a tiny but cute girl, who I was assuming was young also.

As I left the gas station, the girl from the ATM held the door for me. I gave her a nice smile and in a charming way said "Well thank you." She said "Anytime hunny!"

I wasn't expecting her voice to be quite that raspy or deep, not that it was exceedingly so, but rather it told me she was older than I thought. She walked to her car and as I got in my buddy's car I turned over my shoulder to smile at her again and she was already smiling at me. My buddy said something about her as soon as I'd gotten into the car because he had seen how she was looking at me. As he started to back out of the spot I knew she was gonna be looking again, and she was, and she waved. Right then I could have opened my window, gotten out of the car, something, anything... but I didn't. This is so unlike me, I'm not quite sure what happened.

On the plus side though, it's nice to get noticed. I was wearing boots, jeans, and a hoody, and I need to buzz my head. I'll just have to be ready for the next one. I'll go back to that gas station though.

Scootertrash

02-23-2019, 10:21 PM

Lick your eyebrow. Works everytime ;) :naughty::beer:w00t:

Scootertrash

02-23-2019, 10:25 PM

Boots, Jeans , a hoodie, and you need a haircut? :naughty:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJY_UrPklf8

:lol::beer:w00t:

Thanks! I thank you for liking me! I like you for thanking me! I like me for thanking you!:Bounce:crazy::beer:wondering:shiftyeyes:

fabiodriven

02-24-2019, 12:51 PM

Lick your eyebrow. Works everytime ;) :naughty::beer:w00t:

I didn't even have to do that, I didn't have to do anything but walk over to her. It was a free lunch!

fabiodriven

03-16-2019, 05:12 PM

I have double booked first dates for Monday, both pretty awesome women. One made the date with me weeks ago and she travels a lot. She'll be in Boston for only a day, but I haven't heard from her since she made the date. Our correspondence ended with me asking a question that never got answered, so I'm not confident I'd hear from her anyways. She's a year older than me (40) and looks beautiful. No kids, very active, possibly too active to date, which makes her worthless by no means.

The other one is local, two towns away where the moderately wealthy folks live. Owns her own business, body builder, yoga instructor, no kids, same age as me (39), and very like minded to myself. She's very soulful. We talked on the phone for an hour yesterday, she's a space shot just like me. This is the more appealing and promising of the two in my opinion.

In an unrelated topic, an old friend I have lost touch with reached out to me yesterday. He's been in extremely poor health and near dire straights. Physically and mentally he is wiped out and ready to give up. He's the best guy in the world, I've known him since I was a child. I traded my 81 IT175 to him for his KDX80 when we were kids and he now owns a CHERRY 1985 ATC200S.

Unfortunately the married life and subsequent work life to raise two children is ripping him apart, and I must say this for the sake of accuracy (I hope he reads this thread so he may see this), his wife is not nice. I've seen her be very not nice to my friend right in front of his friends and family on multiple occasions, enough that I don't feel the need to ever be nice to her again. Like ever.

I could fix him if I could have him for a couple months, but that's not an option. He's younger than me but having heart issues. He's spent enough time in the hospital, it's clear he's not in shape physically so.... Step #1 would be a strict diet change, which is obvious. Kid needs to be rebuilt top to bottom though, inside and out, and I've told him much of what I just wrote already. He needs help mentally as well, he needs TRP. I feel his current lifestyle will kill him, but I'm not sure he'll take the appropriate steps to prevent that, which made me wonder..

How many people drive themselves into the grave prematurely due to such simple decisions which seem so obvious to me? I always wonder what people expect down the road after making poor decisions, and I see the point where sometimes things could be turned around, but a lot of times people just refuse to put any effort (or enough effort) into their lives to get any kind of positive results.

Thank you all.

t0i90

05-08-2019, 08:44 AM

Just wanted to say thanks for all this great information from some of you members. Who would have thought that an ATC forum would be the place you'd find that can change how you live your life. I was just looking for tips on how to get a 70 running...

I have implemented some of of TRP in my life, but have also been able to help some friends. I have one buddy in Florida that's coming off a failed engagement and he's torn up about it. I'm not close enough to monitor his actions but I'm going to try to get him to read this thread at the least.

FYI, during my time golfing, 20+ years now, we've always found turtles on the golf course and relocated them to the location of the direction they were headed, i.e., the TRP, Turtle Relocation Program. I always stop to help a turtle, they're awesome. Needless to say I initially thought this thread was about something else. Ha!

atctim

08-08-2019, 10:40 AM

Found this gem today - this perfectly and simply lays out Alpha VS Beta. Don't be a Beta!

Dogs are a reflection of the owner.
I grew up watching Cesar Milan, the dog whisperer. He knows what dogs are saying by their actions. Dog not listening to your commands? Dog is dominant. Dog barks at strangers? Dog is insecure. Dog pulls on the leash while out on a walk? Dog is walking the owner.
Having a well behaved dog boils down to having a rock solid frame. The dog craves to enter into your reality, where it can trust and lean on you for support. A dog wants to know what boundaries it has. What it can and can't do. This makes the dog feel safe and secure knowing that it has someone in control. A dog doesn't want to be in control. Dogs are unhappy and anxious when they lead the relationship.
Dog not listening to your commands? You're not being dominate. Dog barks at strangers? You're insecure. Dog pulling the leash? You're not taking the lead.
A dog sees holes in your frame and tries to fill those holes itself. A dog pokes and prods to find these holes. When a hole is found, an unhappy and anxious dog is soon to follow as it tries to fill the holes itself.
I've seen many-a-men with dogs. Most of the time the dog is a little trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro. Why? Because the owner doesn't take control, doesn't have solid frame, and is a beta chump. On the other hand, those men I have seen who have the best dogs tend to be alpha men who don't let people walk all over them, especially not some dog. The alpha man takes control, sets the boundaries, and is secure in himself. The alpha man leads other's like he leads his dog.
Dogs need to be trained. This means it takes time and effort to have a good dog. Having a good dog is not something that happens overnight. You reward a dog for it's good behaviors with treats and attention. You first draw out the behavior you want then reward it. Trying to teach your dog to sit? Wait for your dog to sit naturally (or say sit and push his ass down) and then say “sit” and reward the behavior. It takes time and energy but once Spot sits when you say sit, it becomes worth the time and effort you put in.
It is going to be easier to train a new dog. If you wait too long, the dog will be harder to train, it will become set in it’s ways (I'm sure you've heard the phrase, can't teach an old dog new tricks). However, the earlier the training starts the better. That’s why it’s important to have solid frame from day one. You have to keep the frame, from the first day, otherwise the dog will sense this and will begin to fill the holes left behind from your lack of frame.
An alpha man doesn't argue with his dog. I'll see beta men talk to their dogs like it understands them. "Spot, don't pee on the carpet, you know better." News Flash. IT'S A trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotr ailpro DOG. Dogs do not understand the language of man. Instead, an alpha man SHOWS his dog. An alpha teaches his dog through actions rather than words. Spot pisses on the carpet? Rub his trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotr ailpro nose in it so he knows not to do it again.
This brings up the question on how to punish your dog? One shouldn’t punish his dog out of hate and anger. It should come out of love for the dog. Let’s go back to the example of teaching Spot to sit. Sometimes after you give the “sit command” Spot will sit, no problem. Other times Spot will be a little trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro and will lay down and show his tummy, craving affection. At this point, the beta man will then rub the dogs tummy saying how cute Spot is for showing his tummy. This is counter-productive. By rewarding the dog for bad behavior, it only increases the likelihood the dog will continue to perform that bad behavior.
However, the alpha man does something very different. Instead of encouraging the behavior with treats and affection, if Spot doesn’t sit the alpha will then take his affection away from the dog. He scoots Spot out of the way and goes on with his day. An alpha does not have the time nor energy to continue giving attention to something that doesn’t listen to him (an alpha is busy actually making something of himself). An alpha does not give treats and affection to a dog that doesn’t listen.
I remember one scene in particular where a small dog was possessive over it's food. Cesar instructed the owner to step in front of the food and take ownership of it. "But Cesar," the owner whined, "little spot is going to attack me." "That doesn't matter," Cesar said. "If you have to use a tool to feel comfortable then so be it." Cesar then laid food out for the dog and used a broom to guard the food from the little dog. The little dog was vicious in it's attack of the broom, an extension of the trainer, but when all was said and done, the dog knew it's place. Little Spot knew who was in control and respected that. The boundaries set forth by the owner made Spot happier in the long run.
This is the Red Pill. The broom in your hand. A tool to help navigate the world of sub-communication. You won't go from Beta Billy to Alpha Chad overnight. It takes time and energy but I guarantee the rewards are worth it.

El Camexican

08-09-2019, 06:21 PM

Having done zero research on how to handle dogs (even though I’ve had a dozen) My experience in handling them has come from comments and things I’ve witnessed other do with them. So having read Tim’s post I was motivated to try something new with my now 10+ year old Boxer.

He lays next to my second floor desk all day and leaves and returns with me every time I go downstairs (The stairs are on the exterior of the house). The thing is that he always races past me to the top of the stairs and pushes past my legs on the way down, which at times almost knocks me down. He then runs to the end of the corridor, spins around and runs back and then starts jumping in front of me as I make my way to the 1st floor entrance.

So after reading this I went to the top of the stairs and told him to sit, which he always does when asked. I then told him he was a good dog, rubbed his head and grabbed his collar as I started down the stairs. He pulled a little, but without saying a word I just held him back a few inches behind my leg and kept walking. I continued this all the way to the end of the corridor and when we arrived I told him to sit and again gave him a little affection. I also did the same thing going up the stairs today.

After doing this a half dozen times or so, I decided to try going down without holding his collar. Same thing, made him sit first, rewarded him and then began the decent. The first few steps he tried to inch past me, but I lowered my open hand and put it in front of his face and he remained behind it.

I’m amazed that the habit of a 10 year old dog could be broken that easily. Now I need to see if it works on my older b!tch.

fabiodriven

10-14-2019, 09:59 PM

It is my duty to make this post.

If you were following this thread from the beginning, then you might remember my situation. It was sad, very sad, when Tim first started this thread. First and foremost, I would like to thank Tim for creating this thread, as I can only wonder if my situation would have ever changed had he not done so. I highly doubt it would have. I owe my current situation to this thread and those who have partaken in it. Even though it has been quite some time since I have referenced any of this material, what I learned in the time this thread was active was ingrained in me. I can see failing and beta traits clear as day now, and many times I know what to say and how to say it.

I might go so far as to claim myself a PUA of sorts, but only compared to where I have come from, not to other people. I do really, really well with the opposite sex now because of what I learned on here, for free. For me, it was important to recognize habits or flaws I had which were hindering me in many aspects of life, but particularly in dating. This is the very first hurdle as far as I'm concerned, and one where I've seen so many fail. It amazes me how hard it is for many people to actually recognize their own flaws, which prohibits them from ever doing anything about them.

In order to address those flaws, one must love oneself, and if they don't, they must learn. I had to do that. That's the only way you will ever care enough to put the work into making yourself someone worth loving. If someone doesn't love themselves, they would be crazy to ever wonder why nobody else will love them. I've touched on this with a few people but not many ever admit to having a problem loving themselves. Maybe that was particular to me and uncommon to most other people, or maybe people have a hard time admitting it. I'm not sure. Either way, loving oneself is a prerequisite and therefor must be brought up.

I was not wrong in my assertion that I was fighting the current when I lived in Massachusetts. As soon as I got out of there the dating scene opened up for me, just as I'd expected. As I have interacted with women, I've been making a lot of fans. They love my positive attitude, I hear that a lot. That's not something you can just "put on", that has to be real. For me, I have to be comfortable with myself in order to be comfortable with others. If you go on a date and it's uncomfortable, that's no fun. I'm at the point where there is little that can rock me now, I'm as cool as a cucumber. Absolute worst case scenario, you spend a couple hours meeting a new person and then you never have to speak to them again after that if you don't want, so nothing really matters. If you're disappointed, no biggie. At least you went out and did something. If it goes great, then great! There is no way to lose really, aside from not going at all.

It was mentioned somewhere in this thread earlier about not putting all your eggs in one basket. In other words, if you get a bite on the line, don't stop hunting for new friends to make elsewhere. I used to do the completely wrong thing of stopping contact with all other women as soon as I started talking to one, even just a little bit. If I was talking to one online even, someone I'd never met. I'd concentrate on that one person, then if that fell through for any reason, I'd get upset. So, so silly. It would throw me right off, something that shouldn't even matter at all, and in reality, doesn't.

The only time I will stop hunting is if one gets my attention to the point I don't want to look at any others. That hasn't happened to me in a very long time. I met a lot of women this summer, two of which I spent a decent amount of time in, err... with. They were both real peaches in their own rights, but I found myself still shopping. And Tim, I'm sorry brother, but I go to Wal-Mart a lot. I understand why some people don't like Wal-Mart, but one thing Wal-Mart has no shortage of is women. All shapes and sizes, Amish and English, wealthy and poor, fat and skinny, black and white... And it is my place to approach women. Now, to be fair, most of the women I have dated have been from dating apps, however, I much prefer approaching women in person, and I actually enjoy it now. Outside of Massachusetts I haven't had one uncomfortable encounter yet, they've all been at least OK. Many times it's very obvious how flattered these women are and most of them tell me I've made their day.

At any rate, Wal-Mart and places like that, in the middle of the day, with no alcohol or anything involved, that's the best way to approach women for me I'd say. I've never had much success at bars and I don't go to that many bars these days anyways, and all the women are on guard there. Most of them probably get hit on multiple times a night at a bar. On the other hand it's very uncommon in this age for someone to approach out of the blue in the middle of the day, so it must be done properly. As I said, one must be comfortable with oneself first. Smiles and a true aura of good intent are important, people can sense that stuff. I have actually been approaching women like this for years, just most of that time was very awkward and unsuccessful. That's also partially due to having been in Massachusetts though, or possibly mostly due. Just like anything else though, the more you do something the better you get at it. Practice makes perfect.

I am driven by my basic wants and needs as a person, however I am also driven by my own self expectations. If I'm out somewhere and I see a woman I find interesting, and I do not approach and say anything to her, I then get very disappointed in myself. Deeply, deeply disappointed. So much so that I much rather go ahead and approach the person I'm interested in and I'd gladly take a "no" over having to deal with myself if I do not approach at all. Just knowing that I tried is enough to satisfy me. I used to be satisfied with myself for a day or two after hitting on someone, but now I do moment to moment. What I mean by that is, if I make an approach and get turned down, then ten minutes later see someone else who interests me, there is no reason I shouldn't approach that one as well. Making one approach today doesn't mean I can slack off for the rest of the day. This actually worked for me two weeks ago. I approached one young lady, who was flattered but taken, then 15 minutes later I tried another, and she gave me her number.

Yes so for the record, I know a shite ton of people who could use this thread, and I've shown it to a few, but it doesn't seem to take to everyone. As I said, if you've read this from the beginning, you'll see I was starting at the ground floor. I owe it to Tim, you all, and the practice of TRP material, to come back here and share this. I'm sure there are things I'm forgetting. One thing that is key for me, and I feel would benefit most, if not all, is physical fitness. Yes it's a lot of work, shut your pie hole and hit the deck tubby. No bee ess. Very few things easy are worth doing. It's an awesome feeling when you are truly impressing another person with who you are as a person, physically and otherwise. Cigarettes have to go too. I kicked the butts for about 3 months, but I'm back on them unfortunately. I never break them out in dating instances though, and I will quit at some point. If a knockout ends up in my lap that will certainly give me more reason. So unless your target is a butthead, which there are plenty of, keep the smokes in your glove box.

Thanks for reading.

fabiodriven

10-15-2019, 07:36 PM

And thank you Doug for you major contributions!

fabiodriven

10-28-2019, 11:35 PM

This post involves a little bit of politics. In the thread about politics, we touched on the subject of "my kind" of women (physically) mostly being liberals. We also touched on the subject of communicating with liberals and possibly even bridging the political gap. I did that this past weekend, and the situation is ongoing and will evolve at some point.

Friday on Tinder I "super swiped" (that means I showed on the app I was extra interested in this particular person) on a woman I saw on there.

Saturday night Mik6 and myself stepped out to enjoy a band and a couple scondos. At the bar I noticed a woman I wanted to approach, but we couldn't figure out if she was into guys or not. After careful observance, our expert conclusion was that she was indeed a ditch witch and I was wrongly equipped. No harm, no foul. At that time I had no idea this was the woman I had "super swiped" the day before.

Sunday Mik6 and I were out bee essing around, when Tinder notified me I had a match. I opened it up, and wouldn't you know, it was the woman from the bar we saw the night before.

So keeping this somewhat to the point, I explained to her through the app who I was, then she remembered seeing me the evening before at the bar. We texted all night, so long actually that I was too tired to go on a date I had scheduled with someone else the next day. I had to reschedule that one, I'll be meeting her for the first time tomorrow. But sticking to the original point (and woman), we established a connection very quickly and agreed we'd both like to meet as soon as possible. Last night I went to her place and we had a great time. During some chatter, I got the first evidence of her liberalism. It was expected, however it just hadn't been brought up at all. We touched on a couple things lightly, I was not looking to go down the rough road with her. I let her say how "racist" it was when she got out of the city, and we talked about the confederate flag. At one point she told me a story about a guy she was sleeping with previously, and she thought she might like him, but then she found his Facebook and found out he's a Trump follower. That was the end apparently.

So to rewind a bit, I ended up finding out she is bi. The reason we concluded she was not into guys at the bar was because she was holding hands and dancing with another woman. As it turns out, that was her female friend, not anyone she sleeps with or anything. The reason they were holding hands and dancing together was because her friend was being badgered by a man (or men) and was fed up. They went incog-lesbo (or les-cognito) in order to drive the men away.

This young lady is not one to keep, and not because of politics. That's in no way a reference to her character, she seems like a very nice person. She's aware I'll be leaving town soon and understands the deal, as she did from the beginning. My point is, I don't have to be nice to her and dating was never on the table for us. She has no idea that I am "the enemy" yet, and she adores me. She has been so thankful and praising me, and I haven't even bought her a drink. I just came to her place and did things very right, as I do, and treated her really well. We were also engaging in some serious conversation, these girls hang on my every word, they love my stories. She was amazed at my ability to hone in on her, because there are a few (uncommon) things about her that I really like (without going into too much detail) that there's no way you can know about another person unless you start to get intimate with them. I have good intuition.

The interesting part about this situation is, we were just talking on the forum here about coexisting with libs and leaving them with a good impression of who we are to show them that we're not the evil klansmen they think we are. She was texting me today, thanking me again. We chatted more and she is not shy about how she feels about me, and she feels good. She still has no idea she's slept with the enemy, and might again, and I'm not going to let on for a while. I'm not being devious, as I've never claimed to be anything and I'm just being myself with her, not putting on any sort of false persona or anything. I think it might be kind of fun whenever she finds out, and it might show her that sometimes being a human being should take precedence over politics and show her that we're not all that different. We're not what they like to accuse us of being.

That being said, this past Sunday when I had to delay the date with one girl to go see the other, that was the first time I ever had the opportunity to have two different dates in the same day. Unfortunately I don't have the energy I used to, which is why I had to reschedule one of the dates. Not only that, but this past weekend I had too many connections on Tinder to reply to them all. I'm leaving a lot on the table, which is good. It's certainly not always like that though, but it was this past weekend. This is a good problem to have I would say, and once again I do owe having this problem to Tim and Doug as well as the others who posted in here. It's a lot of fun dating, but so far it's been kind of hollow. There are absolutely glorious moments, and there's excitement, and it's cool meeting new people, but I would like to find just one good one. I've met some fantastic women, but nobody who's made me want to stop. I'm in no way complaining, I like to be able to say I've been doing so well in this department. I'm just looking forward to finding the prize, but I'm OK if that never happens again.

fabiodriven

04-18-2020, 02:17 AM

I haven't posted in this thread for a while, it seemed to taper off a bit. I think I had indicated my success having been shown this material, and thanks very much again guys. I also haven't posted because I feel like if I share how things have been, I'll just come off as a braggart. I don't aim to come off that way and I get the feeling sometimes people don't always want to hear about this stuff for whatever reasons they may have. I just don't talk all that much about dating in general unless someone specifically asks me. Another thing, there have been far more important discussions going on lately and I didn't feel it appropriate to bring this up when the world is going through what it is. I feel like at the moment a lot of people are steering away from the news. I have quite a bit.

As humbly as I can, it is my duty to share an event that is transpiring at the moment. I'm not going to divulge too many details, but there's a beautiful girl I grew up with who was probably my first real figure of sexuality. She's someone who has always been on my mind but it just didn't happen, until this week. And next week. I got a random message from her, short chit-chat, then it was on. We'd never spoken to each other in this way our entire lives, but I always wanted to so strongly. She was over 1000 miles away but there was no second thought about it. I knew what had to be done.

Anyhow, that's the extreme abridged version of that story. I must add that this is a huge deal for us both and a true milestone in my life. It came to me, I didn't have to do anything but catch the pass. This was like my personal superbowl, what I'd been practicing for my entire adult life lol.

Again keeping things short, she's smitten. She's head over heals about me, like gaga. I talked with someone about this subject before we met up and they said to me "Don't be surprised if she falls in love!" and I chuckled. The girl I've dreamed about my whole adult life falling in love with me? Haha.. As it turns out, as little as I doubt myself now, I must learn to doubt myself even less. She's nuts about me and nuts about what we have going on, like obsessed. It's amazing and it's great, but she's not in a position to be able to date. We both knew that before it started. I'm not positive I am either so...

She's not the first in this past year to fall in love with me, not the second nor the third. There is a pattern forming here. Again, I bring this information in the hopes still (because so few do) that more people can learn what I have from this thread and apply it to real life as I have. I am not here to brag. It is a success story, yes, and I want to see it happen more often.

I thought when I was learning this stuff I could cherry-pick the material for what I felt I would use most. I remember a section where it was discussed not to settle for the first woman who comes along, which I wouldn't anyways, or even the second or third. It suggested exploring a number of women before settling down, and I thought to myself, that's just not me. I seem to really like certain girls rather quickly, and I thought I was OK with that. I thought I would use the material to learn how to make myself more desirable then just snag up a keeper really quick.

It hasn't worked that way and initially I scratched my head a bit. Now I get it. This week is hard evidence, because I made myself available in order for this romp to occur. Another young lady I spend time with was really hoping I'd date her, and she is a peach, but I just wasn't feeling it enough to get serious. If I'd have settled in with her, I'd have had to tell this most recent young lady I wasn't available. That would have been a massive kick in the nuts. I set myself up for success though.

Still not trying to brag, but I have been in contact with a lot of women. I hope others can learn from this. If you're taken care of well enough and doing things right, there are women everywhere. Almost all of them like to be complimented, tactfully. Getting laughs is always best first, then keep them going. If you're put together well enough, don't be afraid of the younger ones who are (obviously) willingly responsive. The young ones come with games though, expect that. Many of them talk the talk but not all of them walk the walk. Some do though. Remember that a lack of communication from you can add up to their curiosity getting the better of them if done correctly. If they fade it won't matter, because you're on to the next one. Leave them all on a good note as much as possible if not all the time so you can check in with them in the future. The older ones don't waste time, we all know that. Not as much to consider, they know what they want.

For whatever reason, a lot of the really attractive women I've known in my life have terrible self-esteems. I'm not going to say that most attractive women do based on what I know, but it seems like it's not an uncommon trait for some reason. It seems shameful that someone like that could have such a poor self image, but I gather they don't exactly enjoy it either.

A lot of people might think these girls are out of their league, but as we know, there are no such thing as leagues in dating. It may surprise people to think how much of an impact a simple compliment or pass may affect another person. If done harmlessly and correctly, a simple sentence could make someone's day. That could put you in high favor with that person pretty fast. It doesn't hurt to try.

Yes again thank you all who have partaken in this thread and thanks again to Tim for starting it. I remember when I first started reading this thread two years ago, I was a hopeless human being. That wasn't that long ago. I remember exactly what I was doing the first time I read any of this thread, I was in Hawaii. The more I read the more I hoped I could become what this material was suggesting I should, and I have, I am. There is a trail of broken hearts behind me, and this current one is going to be a big one, I can tell, but we both knew what this was going in. I don't think she was counting on falling in love, haha. I should have known, and now I will. It's a pattern now like I said. I do not enjoy breaking hearts, I never enjoyed having mine broken, and it was always mine getting broken and not theirs. I was never the one breaking the hearts, but that's not why I'm doing it now. I'm just doing what I have to do, and I'm not deceiving anyone or cheating, and I'm not lying. Maybe one will come along to make me stop, maybe not. I do rather enjoy my solitude now, so whatever.

Parting words on this novel, love thyself. That is the key, #1. That's the most important above all. Others will love you then with next to no effort.

Thanks all for reading.