UFO Recovered!!! NO JOKE!!!

[El Camexican]

Ok, so the title may be just a little misleading, but I need your full attention as I’m hoping the brain trust of Three Wheeler World can solve a mystery that is now 16 months old.

I was in a small city called Parras de las Fuentes this weekend and a local friend told me a story that peeked my interest big time. Fortunately this was not “friend of a friend of a friend’s cousin” story, but a firsthand experience with physical proof to back it up.

After speaking with three people that were there when it happened the story as I understand it is as follows:

The extended family was having dinner around 2:00pm on Dec. 25, 2016 when a loud crash was heard in the parking area of the home. It was described as if someone had dropped a metal drum from the roof and that it shook the cement house.

They ran out back to see what had happened and saw that there was part of a very shiny metal disc lying next to a crater in their cement floor. It was emitting enough heat that they didn’t try to touch it for a couple of hours.

They contacted the local airport to ask if there were any incidents and even sent NASA photos and a letter asking if they knew what it was, but had not received an answer, so it’s been sitting in their garage for over a year collecting dust.

So of course after hearing this story I asked if there was any way I could see this thing to which he replied that it was a 5 minute drive away, so off we went. This is what I was shown.

This is the object
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It passed between the wood beams without hitting any
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This is the impact spot. It's hard to tell in the photo, but it's about 4" deep in the lowest point. It looks like the pad cracked from the impact as well.
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Here are a bunch more photos. Obviously its man made, but what the heck is it? As you will see if you look closely it's not from a jet or a satellite as the chamfer on the bolt holes was made by someone using a hand drill, but the rest of the machining is impressive.

Here are my observations, please correct me if you disagree and please let me know what you think it might be and how it dropped out of the sky on a Christmas afternoon in a residential part of a small city.

- It's made of very hard steel as it holds a magnet and rings when you strike it with steel. It also hidden bend from the impact and the one brake is so clean it almost looks like the edge of broken glass. As you can see rust has started to form, but not much. They say it was very shiny when it landed and only recently started to oxidize.

- The bolts are probably 3/8" UNC and the threading the part is nothing special as I can run the broken studs in an out with my finger tips.

- As mentioned, the bolt champers are rough and you can see the metal chipped in some spots indicating that maybe the drilling was done after the hardening process.

- There is no signs of damage from the impact, nothing! Not even a chip, or mushroomed edge.

- There are four rings of grooves on the flat edges, two on each side. One of them are pointed like an equilateral triangles and the other three are shaped like right angle triangles. They are not all angled in the same direction. At first I thought that they turned something, but there are no wear marks whatsoever, not even a stain. This leads me to believe that they are used to set the timing of other discs, or drums that bolt to this disc.

- In the first photo you will see as you scroll down from here, there appears to be some metal stuck in the machined teeth. This is what I think caused the failure of the part which I will hypnotize about at the end of this post.

Please look these photos over, ask me any questions you have and lets try to solve this mystery for the good people of Parras.

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My guess is that this was part of a coupler between two very large pieces of machinery and that the machined teeth were used to set the timing, or synchronize the equipment. I'm guessing it failed because something came loose and something metallic like perhaps a bolt fell in-between the disc in the photo and another disc that was still held in place by the now loosened bolts, but at some point the rotating assembly wobbled and the foreign metallic object was pinched causing the hardened disc to snap and brake off the last of the bolt heads that were holding it in place and head towards space.

I don't know what process were used to machine the part, but I can tell you that the small teeth are so precise you might think they were investment cast, but you can clearly see marks that would indicate to me that they were machined into the plate.

Any insight is appreciated.

[plastikosmd]

Cool, glad it didn’t hit anyone. Honestly I would probably start with the FAA
With the recent jet engine issues that they’re having, I would hate to see this be part of a plane that is flying people around still

[El Camexican]

Cool, glad it didn’t hit anyone. Honestly I would probably start with the FAA
With the recent jet engine issues that they’re having, I would hate to see this be part of a plane that is flying people around still

Can you imagine if that had come down on the Christmas turkey?

I'm ruling out any sort of airplane, or satellite because of the chamfers. They were made with a drill bit and not the correct countersinking tool. In pondering why they even exist I'm going to guess that the bolts on this part may have previously broke and that there was some work done in order to extract the broken bolts and remove the damaged female threads. What gets me though is how they ever drilled into that part as it is very brittle. Look at the chip in the second photo.

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As well, when you look at the metal stuck in the teeth in this photo there is almost no distortion just some chips.

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[Rob Canadian]

At first thought. Ya a coupler or flywheel sort of thing. The fins look VERY small for heat transfer for a very big piece of metal.

Any construction around the area at the time that you know of? Mind you that would have been spinning at a good RPM to toss it for a distance. Seeing how the airport and NASA etc did not care too much. Ground related.

[El Camexican]

At first thought. Ya a coupler or flywheel sort of thing. The fins look VERY small for heat transfer for a very big piece of metal.

Any construction around the area at the time that you know of? Mind you that would have been spinning at a good RPM to toss it for a distance. Seeing how the airport and NASA etc did not care too much. Ground related.

That's my thought, part of a coupler, but the teeth are not for cooling. The largest set is only about 2mm tall. I think they are for setting timing between multiple machines and aren't supposed to move after they are engaged. Maybe there are 4 sets of teeth because the part can be used to couple a variety of equipment?

So assuming it did launch from the ground what would spin that fast? Surely nothing Diesel powered. I was thinking a natural gas pumping station (jet engine) but they told me there's nothing around there like that. In fact there's nothing industrial within a 1km radius. So maybe something mobile, but on Christmas day nobody is working in Mexico.

I sent photos to a friend at Standard Aero to show around as well as a couple engineers I know that may recognize it.

[Scootertrash]

I'm guessin' it's a dikfor

[x-rider]

Part of Santa’s sleigh? Just a thought!!

[yaegerb]

I'm guessin' it's a dikfor

I will be waiting patiently......

[El Camexican]

I miss Barnett

[fabiodriven]

Boy this is interesting.

Likely not from an airplane as you've said Nico. The hand drilled countersink is one giveaway, and also that looks like a very heavy chunk of steel. I feel like something of that integrity would likely be made of aluminum or some other lightweight metal if being used in an aircraft.

So we are confident that this originated from the ground. Centrifugal force is a feasibility, but whatever that came from would have to spin ridiculously fast in order to propel that piece far enough in the air to come down as hard as it did. Also, the source would have to be relatively close by. If there isn't much around there for a good distance as you say, that's odd.

There is another option assuming this did originate from the ground, and it could send this piece of metal a lot further than centrifugal force. That would be an explosion.

I follow this guy on YouTube, Secure Team. I found Tyler tough to listen to at first but I find he has some very interesting stories and is absolutely worth following. He might be interested in this.

[fabiodriven]

Now that I think about it, it might be a good idea to find out if it's radioactive.

[El Camexican]

We’re on the same wavelength buddy, I wish you could have seen and touched this thing with your own hands and driven around the area as I have as it would help you eliminate a lot of what might be running through your head right now.

There is no way that an explosion occurred in that town of 14,000 that these people didn’t know about. They are connected politically and own two of the three gas stations in the city as well as dozens of other businesses. Perhaps better put, they literally know everybody in town. Cops, army, fire fighters, owners of all the factories, etc. besides that is the Christmas Day angle. Only the Vatican has less people working on that day than a small town in Mexico.

I looked at the teeth again and I’m convinced they were cast. That part cost someone a lot of money to design and build. As we know industry never pays more than it has to, so whatever it went into must have been making someone money.

I didn’t get to weigh it, but I’ll guesstimate that chunk is about 30 to 35 pounds.

[El Camexican]

Now that I think about it, it might be a good idea to find out if it's radioactive.

Ha! I was thinking the same thing while I was messing with it at first. Once I saw the bolt threads were UNC my fears went away.

[wonderboy]

Are the teeth some sort of hammer mechanism (like a hammer drill)? Maybe it is a piece of mining equipment? Maybe those teeth are too fine. Is there a profile to them that looks like it would lock together with another set of teeth (like a kicker ratchet)?

My thoughts are that this must have been spinning at a good speed on a somewhat horizontal shaft and when it broke it got lobbed high and far. I figure if it were spinning on a vertical shaft, the pieces wouldn't be given any height and would quickly hit the ground (close to where they broke).

This is a really cool mystery!

[83ATC185]

Theres the set of bigger "teeth" on the inside, and the finer "teeth" on the outside, seems like if it were a coupler that it would have uniform teeth all the way through. To me it looks like it was designed to slip in one direction. Maybe it was used to crush rock or some similar material? Interesting. Glad it didnt hurt anyone!

There's at least one other piece of it somewhere ;)

[Scootertrash]

El, Have you realized that this fits your Nico Suave persona? It's definitely part of something bigger :)

Interesting as hell tho.

I tend to agree with your "machinery" theory. Looks like it has a mating part to lock some sort of drive mechanism in and out of "gear"

[El Camexican]

Starting to think it may have come off the braking system of a jet. Especially if there was a ring gear bolted to the outside of the disc at one time. If it was privately owned in Mexico that might explain the non FAA looking tool marks.

There is a private airfield that can handle jets about 5 miles from where it fell.

[schlepp29]

That sounds logical to me. Maybe quad parts

[ironchop]

Beats the hell out of me.

Don't discount that it was once a finely machined product that someone came back after the fact and countersunk on some crap drill press to modify that part for whatever they were using it for outside of it's original intended use.

Maybe an aircraft engine flywheel ? It might also have been something of a two-piece flywheel weight design which is why one side looks cracked apart and the other side is machined straight.

I would think if a cartel airplane engine came apart mid-drug run, they probably wouldn't be reporting such things to the proper authorities including the whole plane crashing.

As far as how far it dropped using the crater to figure out the distance, it's kind of irrelevant because without a force behind it propelling it downward, the piece is going to reach it's terminal velocity if it originates from within Earth's atmosphere pretty fast in freefall and then it would hit with the same force if it came from 100ft up or a 1000ft up.

As for the "teeth" on it, my guess would be maybe it's for crushing or pulverizing something

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[fabiodriven]

Starting to think it may have come off the braking system of a jet. Especially if there was a ring gear bolted to the outside of the disc at one time. If it was privately owned in Mexico that might explain the non FAA looking tool marks.

There is a private airfield that can handle jets about 5 miles from where it fell.

The problem with that is the heat the piece was emitting. If it were a brake part that fell off a plane on takeoff, it wouldn't be hot. If it came off a plane on it's final approach, again it wouldn't be hot because the brakes wouldn't have been used yet.

[ironchop]

I also like the "jet aircraft wheel hub or brake part" theory

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[fabiodriven]

I also like the "jet aircraft wheel hub or brake part" theory

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But why would it be so hot they couldn't approach it for hours?

[ironchop]

But why would it be so hot they couldn't approach it for hours?Beats me unless they had landed and then took off within a few minutes and it was still hot from braking. I know airliner brakes get way hotter than car breaks and the shorter the runway, the harder they have to stomp them to stop.

I've had a car caliper lockup and I couldn't touch the wheel to get it off and fix the caliper for close to an hour

The larger the peice of metal, the longer it will retain a temperature too
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[ironchop]

Honestly, I'm just throwing up wild guesses and Hail Marys

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[fabiodriven]

Honestly, I'm just throwing up wild guesses and Hail Marys

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I hear ya! That's how things like this get figured out!

[El Camexican]

Beats me unless they had landed and then took off within a few minutes and it was still hot from braking. I know airliner brakes get way hotter than car breaks and the shorter the runway, the harder they have to stomp them to stop.

I've had a car caliper lockup and I couldn't touch the wheel to get it off and fix the caliper for close to an hour

The larger the peice of metal, the longer it will retain a temperature too
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Yep, yep & yep. Private airport like that could easily drop and go in a matter of minutes and something that thick, especialy if it contains a lot of chromium (I think?) could hold heat for hours.

Google the braking system of a commercial jet and the images seem to show a very heavy complex mechanism that I would guess is controlled hydrostaticaly.

[fabiodriven]

I just did a lot of googling. I do see where this could be part of an aircraft wheel hub or brake assembly, but I couldn't find the exact part you have there. There are so many kinds of aircraft out there, it would be tricky to to sit around and research all of the brakes and all of the wheel hubs it could possibly be. I didn't think it was likely this was from an aircraft in my first post, but I'm thinking it might be now. Still, I'd like to know. I think if it is from an aircraft, it almost has to be a brake or hub part because there are very few if any other places on a plane you would have a casting that heavy.

So the FAA was called and they claim to know nothing. I would have to imagine that if an airplane were to try and land with one brake inoperable or damaged, or had a damaged hub, a crash would be highly likely upon landing.

[El Camexican]

I just did a lot of googling. I do see where this could be part of an aircraft wheel hub or brake assembly, but I couldn't find the exact part you have there. There are so many kinds of aircraft out there, it would be tricky to to sit around and research all of the brakes and all of the wheel hubs it could possibly be. I didn't think it was likely this was from an aircraft in my first post, but I'm thinking it might be now. Still, I'd like to know. I think if it is from an aircraft, it almost has to be a brake or hub part because there are very few if any other places on a plane you would have a casting that heavy.

So the FAA was called and they claim to know nothing. I would have to imagine that if an airplane were to try and land with one brake inoperable or damaged, or had a damaged hub, a crash would be highly likely upon landing.

They called the air field it "might have" took off from if local, not the FAA, but that might be a good place to send the photos.

[Green4life]

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[El Camexican]

Hardened STEEL

Getting closer boys, thanks!

I have a call in to the FAA and am hoping someone will respond. Talked to a few of their employees already who were NOT interested as I'm in Mexico, but then I told them the part looked butchered and that the jet likely enters US airspace on occasion and suddenly they seemed to care :rolleyes:

[BOB MARLIN]

Maybe the flywheel off that red Tesla that's in orbit now ?.

[Dirtcrasher]

It seems to me that the forces of this being bolted/coupled to something else were the issue. Something in which they used flat head screws to "locate" an item or keep it aligned perfectly, that's the job of a dowel pin, I don't see dowel pin holes.

It probably sheared the bolts before, or wasn't aligned right to begin with and then after it was hardened, they counter sunk the bolts to help align things, almost like it had broke before.

Just like your 3wheeler cases, 2 dowel pins locate the cover and the bolts merely hold the case tight to the center case. Whats another way to try to locate it? Taper the holes and use flat head cap screws/bolts.

If you didn't use dowel pins, your kickstarter wouldn't line up and you'd shear the bolts off in time...

Just a thought :D Cool stuff El!!

[El Camexican]

Still waiting for my call back from the FAA. Typical government department. Good thing I wasn’t reporting something more serious.

I agree with you about the bolts failing once before Steve and maybe it was annealed and rehardened, but I disagree about the part needing dowel pins. To me those teeth are there for adjustment pourposes in relation to other parts that thing coupled to. The machined rings around the disc along with the teeth would be sufficient to hold the parts together without pins.

Junk bolts, over tightening, or a lack of thread sealer that allowed a bolt to come loose and get between the part and split it are my guesses as to what went wrong.

[Dirtcrasher]

If it was that serious I think the men in black would have shown up, lol....

[El Camexican]

If it was that serious I think the men in black would have shown up, lol....

It’s definitely not Men in black worthy, but it would be lawyer in black suit worthy if it would’ve hit somebody.

[redsox]

Lotta stuff flying outta ol mexico nobody supposed to talk about amigo.

[El Camexican]

Lotta stuff flying outta ol mexico nobody supposed to talk about amigo.

This piece never made it over the fence.

[keister]

It has been a month. What is the update on the mysterious Mexican flying disc?

[El Camexican]

It has been a month. What is the update on the mysterious Mexican flying disc?

Latest I have is a pilot I sent photos to that says it looks like part of a turbo prop engine. He figures it may have come off a twin engine plane, so no crash would have occurred. FAA won't return calls and I'm swamped at work, so not much else to report.