Finally we might get 200 rear fenders from Maier....

[MattDragontamer]

So I thought I would get you all excited for the possible future of Maier MFG finally making replacement fenders for the 200ES,E,M... etc.
I have been in talks with Maier about using my original NOS fenders for casting so that they can get a replica
made to reflect as close as they can to the original with their molding processes. I just shipped them out to Maier
yesterday so I will let you all know how it turns out in the near future.

[ironchop]

Nice work, Matt

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[Gabriel]

Oh hell yes. I need a set for a 200es.

Do you have idea (ballpark) what they're gonna cost?

[83ATC185]

This is great news!

[schlepp29]

Your the man Matt! This great news, thanks!

[MattDragontamer]

Oh hell yes. I need a set for a 200es.

Do you have idea (ballpark) what they're gonna cost?

I would assume they would be around the same as the other sets... so no clue really.

[200Maniac]

Different from 200s tho.. are those avail?

[ps2fixer]

Looking up part numbers, here's the machines the 200ES fenders interchange with.

1982-1983 ATC200E Big Red
1984 ATC200ES Big Red
1984-1985 ATC200M


I'm pretty sure all the 200S models didn't have the two part rear fenders, so they wouldn't fit.

[atc007]

Is this on your dime Matt,and you own the molds. Or they will own the molds? I assume the latter.

[MattDragontamer]

Looking up part numbers, here's the machines the 200ES fenders interchange with.

1982-1983 ATC200E Big Red
1984 ATC200ES Big Red
1984-1985 ATC200M


I'm pretty sure all the 200S models didn't have the two part rear fenders, so they wouldn't fit.

Yea those are the models that these fenders fit. They are by far the most common here in Canada as well.
I figure you will see a boom for parts once the fenders are available.

[MattDragontamer]

Is this on your dime Matt,and you own the molds. Or they will own the molds? I assume the latter.

They are paying for it all... their molds. They are going to receive the fenders I sent, analyze and see what they can do.
I will have the choice to sell or get my originals returned. However, the molding process can scratch and require mounts to be glued
to the originals, thus the original fenders may and most likely will have scratches and residue. So I am most likely going to sell.
This way they can keep them and reuse them for future casting if needed.
As they do vacuum forming, you can't get some of the shapes that you get with injection molding.
Thus the final results may vary. But hey, it's to keep the mud down in the end. :)

[350for350]

Different from 200s tho.. are those avail?

I'm pretty sure that the 200S fenders are already being made.

[MattDragontamer]

Looks like the fenders got to Maier safe and sound. The box they were in got crushed a little. trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro'n UPS sack of shits. Dosen't matter how much writing you put on it.


Anyways... Anyone near Sacramento, CA have a 1984 200ES Big Red that can be loaned to Maier for fitment of the new fenders? Let me know if you or someone you know would be interested.

Thanks

[ps2fixer]

There's a reasion my family calls UPS "oops". From experience, FedEx is a lot better about keeping the packages in good shape. I get banged up / crushed boxes all the time with UPS. USPS I think is better than UPS generally, but they have moments too for boxes that come that looks like they went though a war. Sometimes it comes down to packing technique though. A loose item in a box will have the end product of a beat up box and possible holes in it depending how thin the box is and how heavy/pointy the item is. Anyway, hopefully the fenders arrived undamaged.

I have a bunch of 200es machines, too bad I'm in Michigan lol.

[Dirtcrasher]

If you can get them to make a mold for a 35y.o. part and they pay or it?? You've done very well.

Molds are not cheap, even a vac form mold...

[ps2fixer]

If you can get them to make a mold for a 35y.o. part and they pay or it?? You've done very well.

Molds are not cheap, even a vac form mold...

I agree with that, when I make a template for a harness, it takes me as long or longer than the actual harness making process. My templates are cheap, but a proper setup would probably be expensive for harnesses too.

[MattDragontamer]

If you can get them to make a mold for a 35y.o. part and they pay or it?? You've done very well.

Molds are not cheap, even a vac form mold...

Not quite, they have gotten enough requests for more ATC parts that they are looking to expand the production line. Plus one mold covers 3 models.

[86125m]

Now if only someone could get them to start making the front fender for the 200m and the 83 200 again my dad and I would be really happy a perfect front fender is one of the only things stopping him from finishing his 83 atc 200.

[schlepp29]

86 125m would be cool to but I'd imagine there wouldn't be enough business for that

[MattDragontamer]

Now if only someone could get them to start making the front fender for the 200m and the 83 200 again my dad and I would be really happy a perfect front fender is one of the only things stopping him from finishing his 83 atc 200.

https://maier-mfg.com/12070-honda-atc200e-200es-big-red-front-fender.html

[Gabriel]

Has anyone heard anything regarding this lately?

[83200e]

I spoke with c.s.r today (Jeff) and he said they were waiting on someone to loan them a machine to test them on. Once this is done, he said it could be as soon as a few months. My hats off to you Matt, I tried this years ago without success. Thanks for getting this started.

[Gripit'n'ripit]

I assume the original fenders have to be in very good condition for the process? just to clarify, these are the 2-piece read fender for the models with the rear rack and tool box?
Glad there are moves happening for this. Then only decent new rear fenders I have found are fiberglass.

[MattDragontamer]

I spoke with c.s.r today (Jeff) and he said they were waiting on someone to loan them a machine to test them on. Once this is done, he said it could be as soon as a few months. My hats off to you Matt, I tried this years ago without success. Thanks for getting this started.

Funny thing is, the day the sales guy (who manages the emails) went away to a conference of some sort, the CEO/president (sorry if I got the title wrong) saw my email and replied.

Funny part was when I mentionned I email several times over the past few years, he sounded shocked. A few taps of the keyboard later and yup, something told me he was going to have a meeting with the sales guy...lol

Anywho... Things are progressing now :)

[MattDragontamer]

So here is an update for you all.

They are working on the reproduction fenders now... Yay.
They MAY be able to do something as a replacement tool box as well. No promisses.

I was asked a few questions about what to do for the fenders. My imput was to get as close to a copy to the originals as possible, but to leave the mudflap holes as dimples to act as drill guides, which will give the end user the option to use them or not and this way the plastic integrity will say sound.

Any opinions or suggestions, comment bellow.

[MattDragontamer]

Oh and if anyone lives close to them with a 200E and a 200M, let me know. Even though they know the fenders will fit, they may want to double check.

Thanks

[83200e]

Leaving the holes undrilled is a wise suggestion. It cuts down on their production costs and allows the buyer to use whatever bolt/nut/collar they choose. Does anyone know who loaned them the machine?

[ATC King]

Yeah, good suggestion on not predrilling the holes. Mud flaps are good and all, and on a more original type machine, a necessity, but in really sticky mud, they just catch more and weigh down, which greatly increases the chance of them being sucked under and ripped of with possible fender damage.


The fact is, sticky mud gets very, very heavy and causes fenders to get ripped off. It'll be nice to buy some new fenders and not have unsightly holes in them if not using the mud flaps. The rubber, metal backing strips and bolts all add weight too, and just not using all that may keep the fenders in better shape for longer, as in, not getting all droopy.


On the toolbox's, the lid seems to be the most oft damaged part. The problem is the tall lip on the inside and if it's possible to do with vacuum forming. I'd imagine that'd have to be a two piece part and welded together. That's be another great part to add to their lineup though.


Thanks again.

[hoosierlogger]

Talk them into making replacement Taurus 650 plastics. Id like a set.

[MattDragontamer]

Talk them into making replacement Taurus 650 plastics. Id like a set.

If there is a way to get 10k I can get it done... Saving for my wedding first and getting rid of dept.

[fabiodriven]

Bravo Matt! Well done!

[MattDragontamer]

Bravo Matt! Well done!

Don't thank me... It was ultimately Maier MFG decision.

[Gripit'n'ripit]

If a good condition tool box is found, where should it be sent? wouldn't the tool box need to be disassembled for a mold to be made?

[MattDragontamer]

If a good condition tool box is found, where should it be sent? wouldn't the tool box need to be disassembled for a mold to be made?

I donçt know how they are doing their molds, however, I was told he is possibly going to make a toolbox that should work, but may not look like the original. I think moat ppl would be happy just having the box to be used.

[ATC King]

Something for Maier to consider, if making the tool box, is that nothing holds it in except the shape. It snaps in.

Doesn't Maier tend to make thinner plastic parts than OEM? The tool box is pretty thick, and it must have provisions for the rubber pads that hold in in place. The tail light also bolts to it.

The OE box comes out and goes back in pretty easy. If they make a part that is off, the rear grab bar may have to be removed to install it (which the rack and fenders are bolted to). Really, having to remove anything to put an aftermarket box in would be a PITA and it makes it more difficult to clean because the box can't be easily removed, which also has to be done to access the starter relay and voltage regulator/rectifier.

It undoubtedly will have to be thick enough to hold it's shape, to stay in place, and carry whatever is in it. In mine, there is a tow rope with hooks, a quart of oil, tool kit, spark plug, tire plug kit, a small hand pump, and pieces of foam to fill the gaps to keep everything from jostling around too much. I think I'm forgetting something, but I stuff more in there when needed, because, more will fit.


Just my guessing, but it'd be more like making a plastic fuel tank, and Maier doesn't make fuel tanks. It'd be good if they're willing and capable, but just some things they may not have known to think about.

[MattDragontamer]

They do have a 200es in shop to analyze all that. But thanks for all that info.

[ATC King]

It's always a little exciting to hear of some new parts for old machines.

I'm just trying to throw out anything that may help. Although the 250ES is, in many ways, a nicer machine, these little 200ES's really aren't anything to overlook, but there seems to be less aftermarket support for them.


More aftermarket parts...giggity.

[Gabriel]

Bump to the top.

Any news yet?

[Gabriel]

Although the 250ES is, in many ways, a nicer machine

That is a VERY debatable topic. One I would be on the opposite side of. :beer

[MattDragontamer]

No update to announce yet. They are in the mold making process.

[Scootertrash]

Just got a 200ES in for clean up/tune up/hone, piston and rings, yada, yada, yada.

Hopefully these will be coming out soon. Up to the owner if wants to spring the $$ for them.

[Gabriel]

2 months later.....still nothing?

[MattDragontamer]

Alright, the time is near.

The fenders should be up for sale July 1st.

[Gabriel]

Will they be listed on their website?

[MattDragontamer]

Will they be listed on their website?

Yes, and I will be sure to post a link.

[MattDragontamer]

The day has arrived! Will post link in new thread.