Trevor's ATC250R pond skimming at Pastranaland

[ironchop]

This will probably offend alot of 250R owners.

https://youtu.be/qaHYk4jt0NU

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[wonderboy]

I saw that the other day! I was conflicted... it was amazing how much punishment it could take and keep going, but really bummed me out that they were abusing that machine so badly. Pretty cool that the 250R was the only one that could make it.

[ironchop]

I saw that the other day! I was conflicted... it was amazing how much punishment it could take and keep going, but really bummed me out that they were abusing that machine so badly. Pretty cool that the 250R was the only one that could make it.My sentiments exactly.

I guess it's a pretty good test of Honda reliability, albeit way past ideal usage, but he also busted a few hundred dollars worth of stuff in the process.

It was entertaining and cringe-worthy all at once

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[schlepp29]

Yeah I seen it too. I thought it was pretty cool. Show the young people what a real machine is.

[barnett468]

Pretty cool that the 250R was the only one that could make it.

It was the only one to make it because they didn't have a, TECATE...The Most Powerful 3 Wheeler In The Universe, there. :lol:

[barnett468]

This will probably offend alot of 250R owners.

https://youtu.be/qaHYk4jt0NU


Well it looks like I now have to say that there finally is one thing the honda does better than the 86 TECATE, and that is float. https://www.mustang.org.au/forum/Smileys/smilies/hysterical.gif

[schlepp29]

Lmao! That would be cool if they did all three brands

[Red Rider]

It was the only one to make it because they didn't have a, TECATE...Given my knowledge of Tecates, and their aversion to water, the Tecate’s stator would have been dead after the first attempt.

[barnett468]

Given my knowledge of Tecates, and their aversion to water, the Tecate’s stator would have been dead after the first attempt.

Actually, the TECATE bikes and the stators aren't bothered by water any more than similar bikes are. I had to do many hours of water testing on it, which included riding through a shallow river about ten gazillion times and it never died, I also unintentionally ran it into a 6" deep river after which it did finally die then turn upside down and nearly sink, so after we retrieved it I drained the oil and removed the air filter, then flipped it upside down with the spark plug out and kicked it over a few times then turned it back over and kicked it some more etc and got it started pretty easily after that.

[barnett468]

POST CORRECTION CUZ I AIN'T GOT NO EDIT BUTTON

"...ran it into a 6" deep river..."

Should read:

"...ran it into a 6' deep river..."

[Dirtcrasher]

Messed up your 6" measurement again Barn :D

[Gabriel]

In the South, Rednecks do this with 540 cubic inches of Alcohol injected cast iron testicular fortitude. ....I think the truck runs on alcohol too.......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25_aG3NC6Ww

[barnett468]

Messed up your 6" measurement again Barn :D

Yeah, and my ol' lady has the same problem with it. :lol:

[Red Rider]

Actually, the TECATE bikes and the stators aren't bothered by water any more than similar bikes are. I had to do many hours of water testing on it, which included riding through a shallow river about ten gazillion times and it never died,...After my friend’s ‘87 Tecate’s stator failed the first time, he started calling the stator cover “the roach motel” because, when we removed the cover, a bunch of rusty water came pouring out. So water gets in, but it doesn’t get out.

[barnett468]

After my friend’s ‘87 Tecate’s stator failed the first time, he started calling the stator cover “the roach motel” because, when we removed the cover, a bunch of rusty water came pouring out. So water gets in, but it doesn’t get out.

Well the fact is that at least some water can get inside the stator cover on most bikes (including the atc250r) under some conditions UNLESS they are sealed to be water proof, which none that I know of are from the factory. The factory's typically make them "water resistant", which is not the same as "water proof", and this is because they are not building submarines, and under most typical conditions, making them "water resistant" is sufficient.

The people I know that ride their bikes thru a lot of water simply seal the cover and wire grommet so they are "water proof" to avoid any issue with that, which is obviously the intelligent thing to do.

Since he was getting water in the cover but it was not draining out, it obviously wasn't entering from the bottom of the cover, and the only place for water to enter any stator cover that does not have a leak around the cover gasket or mounting screws, is through the wire grommet, and this wire grommet is often located closer to the top of the cover than to the bottom, therefore, he should have made certain that his cover was not warped, and if it was, he should have flattened it or gotten another one that was not warped, then he should have used a very thin coat of sealer on the gasket then put the correct type of silicone around the wire grommet, and even put gaskets on the cover screws if he rides through a lot of water or spray washes the crap out of it, and whala, no more leak guaranteed.

[Red Rider]

Since he was getting water in the cover but it was not draining out, it obviously wasn't entering from the bottom of the cover, and the only place for water to enter any stator cover that does not have a leak around the cover gasket or mounting screws, is through the wire grommet, and this wire grommet is often located closer to the top of the cover than to the bottom, therefore, he should have made certain that his cover was not warped, and if it was, he should have flattened it or gotten another one that was not warped, then he should have used a very thin coat of sealer on the gasket then put the correct type of silicone around the wire grommet, and even put gaskets on the cover screws if he rides through a lot of water or spray washes the crap out of it, and whala, no more leak guaranteed.
Barnett, no need to get all defensive, and go 3 paragraphs on me. I’m not bashing here. I’m merely recounting my first-hand experience with the Tecate, and yes, obviously that’s some sound waterproofing advice.

And now another excerpt from Red Rider’s Tecate Chronicles:

At the time, we were all of 18-20 years old, and doing things on our 3-wheelers, that we had seen done in 3-wheeling magazines (jumping, sliding, drag racing, hill climbs, and blasting through streams). His Tecate was about a year old, and my 250R was almost 3 years old. We were carefree, and didn’t think about the consequences of riding through water. Where I rode, he rode, and where he rode, I rode. Both bikes were subjected to the same conditions. His stator cover leaked, and destroyed his stator. Obviously, after replacing the stator, we siliconed the cover as well to hopefully prevent it from happening again, but in his mind, his bike had earned itself a bad rap, and he didn’t trust it, so he never blasted through water again.

[barnett468]

Barnett, no need to get all defensive,

You are correct, which is why I am not, and never do, and it is presumptuous for you to presume that I am.




...and go 3 paragraphs on me.

I was merely explaining how to correct the issue, because your comments made it seem to me like he had a continual problem with it that he never fixed.




At the time, we were all of 18-20 years old, and doing things on our 3-wheelers, that we had seen done in 3-wheeling magazines (jumping, sliding, drag racing, hill climbs, and blasting through streams). His Tecate was about a year old, and my 250R was almost 3 years old. We were carefree, and didn’t think about the consequences of riding through water. Where I rode, he rode, and where he rode, I rode. Both bikes were subjected to the same conditions. His stator cover leaked, and destroyed his stator. Obviously, after replacing the stator, we siliconed the cover as well to hopefully prevent it from happening again, but in his mind, his bike had earned itself a bad rap, and he didn’t trust it, so he never blasted through water again.

You didn't mention if you both washed your bikes the same way, however, His TECATE...The Most Powerful 3 Wheeler In The Universe, may have had an issue from day 1 with the gasket possibly not being installed correctly, or the stator screws may have come loose, or someone may have over tightened them which may have distorted the cover enough to allow water in etc. Irregardless of any of this, it is certainly possible that the slower and overall lower performance 250r does have a stator cover and/or wire grommet that seals better than the TECATE's, and if that is in fact the case, I still couldn't possibly care any less, but it would be something that the honda does in fact do better than the TECATE, and for that, all 250r owners could be proud and I would be happy for them. :)




Obviously, after replacing the stator, we siliconed the cover as well to hopefully prevent it from happening again, but in his mind, his bike had earned itself a bad rap, and he didn’t trust it, so he never blasted through water again.

Well obviously his reaction was extreme and unnecessary.
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[Red Rider]

...your comments made it seem to me like he had a continual problem with it that he never fixed.Well why would you presume that? Now look who's being presumptuous.


You didn't mention if you both washed your bikes the same way, however, His TECATE...The Most Powerful 3 Wheeler In The Universe, may have had an issue from day 1 with the gasket possibly not being installed correctly, or the stator screws may have come loose, or someone may have over tightened them which may have distorted the cover enough to allow water in etc. Irregardless of any of this, it is certainly possible that the slower and overall lower performance 250r does have a stator cover and/or wire grommet that seals better than the TECATE's, and if that is in fact the case, I still couldn't possibly care any less, but it would be something that the honda does in fact do better than the TECATE, and for that, all 250r owners could be proud and I would be happy for them.That's awesome of you! Thanks for not being able to possibly care any less, yet still being happy for me, because you guessed it, my stator cover didn't leak and destroy my stator. As a matter of fact, wait, let me capitalize that so I'm speaking your language: FACT, my 250R is still on it's original stator, while being subjected to the same extreme conditions that killed 2 Tecate stators.


Well obviously his reaction was extreme and unnecessary.Well, not really, because the new stator only lasted about a year also, and it appears to have stayed dry.

I'm anxiously awaiting your next rebuttal, which I'm sure will be forthcoming, once you get your wits about you. Maybe you can a attach a pic or 2 also, that would be cool. :crazy:

[barnett468]

Well why would you presume that? Now look who's being presumptuous.

That's awesome of you! Thanks for not being able to possibly care any less, yet still being happy for me, because you guessed it, my stator cover didn't leak and destroy my stator. As a matter of fact, wait, let me capitalize that so I'm speaking your language: FACT, my 250R is still on it's original stator, while being subjected to the same extreme conditions that killed 2 Tecate stators.

Well, not really, because the new stator only lasted about a year also, and it appears to have stayed dry.

I'm anxiously awaiting your next rebuttal, which I'm sure will be forthcoming, once you get your wits about you. Maybe you can a attach a pic or 2 also, that would be cool. :crazy:


I've heard that these will reduce anxiety, but one should always consult a physician before taking any medication. :)

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[Gabriel]

You two should get a tape meaure and go to a private room and settle this once and for all.

[Red Rider]

I've heard that these will reduce anxiety, but one should always consult a physician before taking any medication.Thanks, but I don't want to deplete your supply. You need them more than I do. :beer

[fieldy]

It's on now boys, i know its Sunday however we Tecate won't be here listening to this here bullstuff any longer!
First of all think you r guys got confused throw away those estrogen pills and put Testosterone in those R tanks...testosterone! Hqhahahahahahahaheeeheee

Next, any one that bought the Tecate already used a tape measure and won.

Also the Tecate wasn't set up for gentle splashy trail riding like the r. It was designed to be a master race winner.
Anyone riding a Tecate knows that the stator cover was made for easy removal on the Tecate because likley you would blow the stator between race wins. That motor is the most powerful 250 motor in the universe, have you heard something like that before? So to win a blackwater race you would "have to prep for that".Simple race win maintenence.



Tecate wins again!

[Red Rider]

This discussion was never a measuring stick contest, nor do I think it turned into one. And once again, all of my comments were true, and based on my experiences with one Tecate, and I didn't even change the names to protect the innocent. Have my experiences with this one particular Tecate influenced how I think about all Tecates? Probably, but in my defense, I've seen the same problems pop up time & time again on the boards here, and on Facebook. If I was a known Kawi guy, you all wouldn't have a problem with my statements, and would probably agree with me, but because I have an R avatar, you Kawasaki guys take it the wrong way. If you guys can't look past that, and take my experiences at face value, then you can suck it!

[El Camexican]

Travis can afford to use ANY vehicular he wants to make his videos. He choose a Honda 250R for this one.

Why don’t those of you who are suffering over his selection start a write in campaign asking him to repeat the test with pristine stock examples of every trike ever made? I’m sure the 1,200 or so signatures will have him scrambling to make follow up video.

[ironchop]

I heard that Trevor has several ATC250Rs. I'll bet money Travis has a couple as well.

I would be more upset if they were 86-87 T3s because there are alot less of those to go around.

[barnett468]

This discussion was never a measuring stick contest, nor do I think it turned into one. And once again, all of my comments were true, and based on my experiences with one Tecate, and I didn't even change the names to protect the innocent. Have my experiences with this one particular Tecate influenced how I think about all Tecates? Probably, but in my defense, I've seen the same problems pop up time & time again on the boards here, and on Facebook. If I was a known Kawi guy, you all wouldn't have a problem with my statements, and would probably agree with me, but because I have an R avatar, you Kawasaki guys take it the wrong way. If you guys can't look past that, and take my experiences at face value, then you can suck it!

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[barnett468]

Travis can afford to use ANY vehicular he wants to make his videos. He choose a Honda 250R for this one.


That's probably only because he has either never ridden a TECATE...The Most Powerful 3 Wheeler In The Universe, or he simply considered the 250r expendable due to its average performance and low value compared to a TECATE... :)

[barnett468]

Well why would you presume that? Now look who's being presumptuous.

I didn't presume that but simple logic would cause an intelligent person to think that might be what you meant, because you left out several pertinent details which you posted AFTER I replied to your original post.



That's awesome of you! Thanks for not being able to possibly care any less...

You are very welcome.



...yet still being happy for me, because you guessed it, my stator cover didn't leak and destroy my stator.

I am happy for you because I truly care from the bottom of my heart how you and other honda owners feel, which is obviously completely different than not caring whether anything on a 250r is better than a TECATE....The Most Powerful 3 Wheeler In The Universe!



As a matter of fact, wait, let me capitalize that so I'm speaking your language: FACT, my 250R is still on it's original stator, while being subjected to the same extreme conditions that killed 2 Tecate stators.

Well, not really, because the new stator only lasted about a year also, and it appears to have stayed dry.


ummm...it sounds to me like you are now contradicting yourself, because you made no mention of your friend killing 2 stators by riding thru the water in your first post, therefore, the comments in your first post would lead any reasonable person to believe that the second stator you are now mentioning was NOT subjected to water, because you stated that you guys sealed the cover after the water killed the stator but he never ran thru the water again with it because he was afraid it would kill the stator.



I'm anxiously awaiting your next rebuttal..

ok, if you want to call this post a "rebuttal" you now have it.



...which I'm sure will be forthcoming, once you get your wits about you.

Well , actually, it appears as though it is you that needs to "get your wits about you" since it seems that you only posted a few of the facts about your friends stator at a time, and seem to contradict yourself in the process.




Maybe you can a attach a pic or 2 also, that would be cool. :crazy:

Ok, here's one for you and the other honda owners that incessantly drone on, and on, and on, and on, and on, complaining to me about TECATE stator problems. I could also post the literally hundreds of posts regarding problems with the honda CDI boxes...but because I do care about honda owners and their feelings, I will save them the embarrassment...for the moment.

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Here's another one just for fun. :)


OMG...I think I just got a hernia!

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[El Camexican]

That's probably only because he has either never ridden a TECATE...The Most Powerful 3 Wheeler In The Universe, or he simply considered the 250r expendable due to its average performance and low value compared to a TECATE... :)

Or..... maybe they just picked a trike they thought was likely to make to the other side of the pond :wondering

[bkm]

"Thank God for Jimmy White" - The Kawasaki Tecate

[Red Rider]

ummm...it sounds to me like you are now contradicting yourself, because you made no mention of your friend killing 2 stators by riding thru the water in your first post,...I didn't feel it was necessary to mention the 2nd stator, and the only reason there was a second post on the subject, was because you felt the need to pick apart every part of my first post.


...because you stated that you guys sealed the cover after the water killed the stator but he never ran thru the water again with it because he was afraid it would kill the stator.No, I said we replaced the stator, sealed the cover, but he never "blasted through water" with it again, because he didn't trust it anymore.

Are we done here now?

[barnett468]

I didn't feel it was necessary to mention the 2nd stator, and


[QUOTE=Red Rider;1496210]...the only reason there was a second post on the subject, was because you felt the need to pick apart every part of my first post.

You are incorrect again, so perhaps you should try posting FACTS regarding things you personally know something about for a change. https://www.mustang.org.au/forum/Smileys/smilies/thumbsup.gif

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No, I said we replaced the stator, sealed the cover, but he never "blasted through water" with it again, because he didn't trust it anymore.

ummm...that's basically part of what I stated, so actually your reply should have been "Yes", however, you still completely either miss the point or are avoiding it because you realize you are wrong. https://www.mustang.org.au/forum/Smileys/smilies/elefant.gif



Are we done here now?
If you are done making assumptions about me. https://www.mustang.org.au/forum/Smileys/smilies/santa.gif
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[El Camexican]

So........

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[Red Rider]

I can't believe I have to do this barnett, but geez dude, you are Fricken annoying! Consider yourself ignored. You're the first person I've had to ignore on this forum, but I bet I'm not the only one ignoring you. See ya! Wouldn't want to be ya. Peace out sucka.

[barnett468]

I can't believe I have to do this barnett, but geez dude, you are Fricken annoying! Consider yourself ignored. You're the first person I've had to ignore on this forum, but I bet I'm not the only one ignoring you. See ya! Wouldn't want to be ya. Peace out sucka.

I'm the one whom is annoying because I reply to your long winded "rebuttals" and seemingly inaccurate and contradictory comments? :wondering

Just in case you are wondering, that is a rhetorical question and is not intended to solicit a reply.

:beer

[Red Rider]

What? I'm sorry did you say something? Your lips are moving, but I can't hear what you're saying. Serenity now, serenity now, serenity now. This is nice, I should have done this years ago! :D

[barnett468]

"Thank God for Jimmy White"


...and The TECATE...The Most Powerful 3 Wheeler In The Universe! https://www.mustang.org.au/forum/Smileys/smilies/thumbsup.gif

[barnett468]

Consider yourself ignored. You're the first person I've had to ignore on this forum.



What? I'm sorry did you say something? Your lips are moving, but I can't hear what you're saying. Serenity now, serenity now, serenity now. This is nice, I should have done this years ago! :D

Congratulations, I and everyone else can now see that you are definitely ignoring me just like you said you would. Keep up the good work! :Bounce