200M Front Rack?

[DDQ]

I have an 84 200M and would like a front rack for it. Before I build one, is there a rack from any other model that will bolt on? I looked at the 200M parts diagram on Partzilla but do not see a front rack, or even the rear rack, which I already have, listed.

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[atctim]

The only other model that works with 200M front rack is 1983 (only) ATC200 (non-letter). These front racks, for these two models are fairly rare and spendy ($200 - $400). Hondaline made one, as did Cambridge Metal & Plastics (CMP). There might be others, but these two I am certain about.

[oldskool83]

I'm sure if you send it to where I work we could repo it.

[DDQ]

The only other model that works with 200M front rack is 1983 (only) ATC200 (non-letter). These front racks, for these two models are fairly rare and spendy ($200 - $400). Hondaline made one, as did Cambridge Metal & Plastics (CMP). There might be others, but these two I am certain about.Thank you for the reply. I am having trouble finding pictures of the rack. Is it one of these?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220119/8d6220d2ceea70f70708ad14ffaeec92.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220119/1f5fd6ddcb17b6ede412a7b383e720d5.jpg

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[DDQ]

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[ATC King]

THIS must be ithttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220120/59386f38a7d968f562c5abd6d6472271.jpg


None of those are for a 200M. They're either 200E/ES standard racks, or 185S/200S Hondaline or aftermarket. The one with the orange background is for an earlier rigid fork ATC.

The last one you linked an image to is a 200S, which has a very similar fork, but is narrower than the 200M. There are slots for the bolts, but I don't think they're wide enough for the 200M fork. I have that exact 200S rack and a 200M fork. I may have some time tomorrow to measure and see it it'll fit both. Regardless, you'd have a difficult time finding one for sale, they're not common.

I'f you've got a mandrel tubing bender, then you've got the other things needed and the skill to build one youself out of round tubing. If you wanted it as Honda as possible, then a modified 200E/ES rack would make that pretty simple.



Here's a picture similar to the one with the orange background, on a trike.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/aa319/91NomaOn20s/ATC200/Picture067.jpg

[BarnBoy]

DDQ, your first picture is of a factory 200M front rack. I've got factory front and rear racks on my 200M. See my build thread for pics.

[MrConcdid]

I have a hondaline front rack on my 200m that's chrome, I cant find another one like it, anywhere.

MrC.

[DDQ]

None of those are for a 200M. They're either 200E/ES standard racks, or 185S/200S Hondaline or aftermarket. The one with the orange background is for an earlier rigid fork ATC.

The last one you linked an image to is a 200S, which has a very similar fork, but is narrower than the 200M. There are slots for the bolts, but I don't think they're wide enough for the 200M fork. I have that exact 200S rack and a 200M fork. I may have some time tomorrow to measure and see it it'll fit both. Regardless, you'd have a difficult time finding one for sale, they're not common.

I'f you've got a mandrel tubing bender, then you've got the other things needed and the skill to build one youself out of round tubing. If you wanted it as Honda as possible, then a modified 200E/ES rack would make that pretty simple.



Here's a picture similar to the one with the orange background, on a trike.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/aa319/91NomaOn20s/ATC200/Picture067.jpgThanks for that info. I do think I can build a rack similar to the one that bolts to the fork clamp bolts with no support going to the front axle. I will give it a try.

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[DDQ]

DDQ, your first picture is of a factory 200M front rack. I've got factory front and rear racks on my 200M. See my build thread for pics.Cool, thanks. Ill scroll through that thread today.

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[ATC King]

DDQ, your first picture is of a factory 200M front rack. I've got factory front and rear racks on my 200M. See my build thread for pics.


Are you certain it's not just the same Hondaline but for the 185S/200S? That's what they have it listed as.

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The 185S/200S forks are almost identical to the 200M, just narrower. I would think the racks would be hard to tell apart without measurments or in the factory packaging with numbers. That could hang someone up if they indeed look nearly identical but are an inch or so overall different widths.

From your thread:

http://www.3wheelerworld.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=264226&d=1599360252
http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthread.php/187672-Barnboy-s-1984-ATC200M-Rebuild/page11


Another one, listed for a 200M:

https://motojunk.com/assets/images/atc200m-2.jpg
https://motojunk.com/used-honda-atc-200m-front-rack-hondaline-.html

If even finding one, there's still the issue of whether or not it has all the other hardware to mount it.

[MrConcdid]

Here's a video of the bike as I found it.
https://youtu.be/Z_ZRJAd8FD4
look close and it still has the Hondaline sticker on it. Mine has two straps and 2 bolts.
Sorry for the video, I don't have any still photos of it at work.
MrC

[DDQ]

Thanks for those pics! I think I have enough idea of what to shoot for. I have these busted up racks that I think I can get enough material off of. And of course mr hobart. I wonder if I can utilize these motor mounts which appear to have the same bolt spacing as the fork clamps.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220120/9921e2a8ae400cb92a7bd488abe140f7.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220120/ad1cddbfd05cabdefd4ccd3a80a9d2f7.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220120/26abcbb922ea8e7e3cf1914de1ebb16a.jpg

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[BarnBoy]

Are you certain it's not just the same Hondaline but for the 185S/200S? That's what they have it listed as.

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The 185S/200S forks are almost identical to the 200M, just narrower. I would think the racks would be hard to tell apart without measurments or in the factory packaging with numbers. That could hang someone up if they indeed look nearly identical but are an inch or so overall different widths.

From your thread:

http://www.3wheelerworld.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=264226&d=1599360252
http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthread.php/187672-Barnboy-s-1984-ATC200M-Rebuild/page11


Another one, listed for a 200M:

https://motojunk.com/assets/images/atc200m-2.jpg
https://motojunk.com/used-honda-atc-200m-front-rack-hondaline-.html

If even finding one, there's still the issue of whether or not it has all the other hardware to mount it.

No I'm not certain, but the 200M rack looks identical to it. Didnt realized the width difference. The hardware consists of 2 straps and uses 2 fork clamp bolts for the lower mounts.

[ATC King]

No I'm not certain, but the 200M rack looks identical to it. Didnt realized the width difference. The hardware consists of 2 straps and uses 2 fork clamp bolts for the lower mounts.

Cool. Asking 'cause I know some people on here are well versed in the Hondaline products and the subject of 200M racks doesn't come up very often. The thread tittle will probably show up in future searches and I'm just trying help fill it with a little more info so it's not just low infor thread that checks a lot of the search boxes.

[ATC King]

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Are those coon traps or do you have a stray cat problem? :)


Meh. It doesn't take much to drill a couple hoes. May as well start from scratch. You could always build one that goes above the headlight. The Yamaha YTM racks were like that. It'll keep anything on the rack from blocking the light and you don't have to raise the light higher, which kind of puts the light right in harms way.


BTW, nothing wrong with that Hobart. The ol' Tractor Supply/Walmart MIG I've been using for years is still kicking and I used it today to repair a broken garden rake so I could finish working. I did get to use my new Harbor Freight welding hood today and all I can say is, dang, I should have bought a new hood years ago. I can actually see what I'm doing now.

[DDQ]

Are those coon traps or do you have a stray cat problem? :)


Meh. It doesn't take much to drill a couple hoes. May as well start from scratch. You could always build one that goes above the headlight. The Yamaha YTM racks were like that. It'll keep anything on the rack from blocking the light and you don't have to raise the light higher, which kind of puts the light right in harms way.Actually, that trap is for large rats that eat my milkweed.



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[DDQ]

Are those coon traps or do you have a stray cat problem? :)


Meh. It doesn't take much to drill a couple hoes. May as well start from scratch. You could always build one that goes above the headlight. The Yamaha YTM racks were like that. It'll keep anything on the rack from blocking the light and you don't have to raise the light higher, which kind of puts the light right in harms way.


BTW, nothing wrong with that Hobart. The ol' Tractor Supply/Walmart MIG I've been using for years is still kicking and I used it today to repair a broken garden rake so I could finish working. I did get to use my new Harbor Freight welding hood today and all I can say is, dang, I should have bought a new hood years ago. I can actually see what I'm doing now.That hobart is about 12 years old and does great.
If I put the rack above the headlight will a case of beer on it make the trike too unstable?

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[ATC King]

If I put the rack above the headlight will a case of beer on it make the trike too unstable?

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Only if you drink it too fast.

[ATC King]

I drug out a 200S and 200M fork upper.


A note:

The later 185S fork is the same as the 200S fork, but not all 185S trikes had a suspinsion fork. Also, the later/last ATC200 was available with the same suspension fork as the 200M.

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There's approximately an inch difference in width. The 200M fork is a little taller too, but that's not the issue with rack fitment. Otherwise, they builds are very similar.

I took a look and measured the aftermarket rack on my 200S and even though the mounts have slots, it still wouldn't fit a 200M fork without some modification.

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If Honda sold similar looking racks for the 200S and 200M, I don't think they'd by cross-compatabile.

[DDQ]

I drug out a 200S and 200M fork upper.


A note:

The later 185S fork is the same as the 200S fork, but not all 185S trikes had a suspinsion fork. Also, the later/last ATC200 was available with the same suspension fork as the 200M.

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268984

There's approximately an inch difference in width. The 200M fork is a little taller too, but that's not the issue with rack fitment. Otherwise, they builds are very similar.

I took a look and measured the aftermarket rack on my 200S and even though the mounts have slots, it still wouldn't fit a 200M fork without some modification.

268985

If Honda sold similar looking racks for the 200S and 200M, I don't think they'd by cross-compatabile.That is good info!

Any theory for why both rack mount holes are slotted if it could only work on one type of forks?

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[ATC King]

Any theory for why both rack mount holes are slotted if it could only work on one type of forks?


Meh. To allow a little slop in manufacturing(?). Maybe they were already set up for puncing slots or it was just quicker than drilling holes. Possibly to install it without taking the bolts all the way out of the forks. No idea really. Would have to ask them, and they probably aren't around anymore, whoever they were.

When I said modify, it was more of making those slots longer and possibly having to use allen head bolts because hex head wouldn't clear. Even it it would fit the M, it'd likely be one of those situations were it barely did and the bolt threads would rubb when putting them in, essentially messing them up. Modifying something like hard to find vintage aftermarket parts nowadays would be a bonehead move. The Hondaline setup looks stronger anyway. A well done home built rack would function just as well as any.

If you build something, I'm looking forward to seeing how it turns out and the design. That first one always takes the longest and you may get inquiries if you'll build some more. Thinking how long it took for that one, you may be like, um nope. :)

Maybe ask BarnBoy if he'll make some more disk brake axle carriers and see what respone you get. :lol:

[atctim]

Another FYI: the Hondaline 200M (and 1983 ATC200) front rack is stamped on one of the outside plates with "ATC200M". I've never known Honda to do this with any of their other accessories, ever.

[atctim]

Here's a picture of my CMP 200M front rack. I found this NOS on eBay a couple months ago. I also found a Hondaline one, but it was missing the mounting clamps. I tried to weasel MrC's chrome front rack from him, but he just wouldn't get off it - lol.

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[ZacH_GrifF]

Here's a picture of my CMP 200M front rack. I found this NOS on eBay a couple months ago. I also found a Hondaline one, but it was missing the mounting clamps. I tried to weasel MrC's chrome front rack from him, but he just wouldn't get off it - lol.

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Is that a speaker? It come with those straps?

[ATC King]

I tried to weasel MrC's chrome front rack from him, but he just wouldn't get off it - lol.

Ha!

268986

So much going on there. What's that header, hydraulic doohiky on the left bar for, those fork extensions, that tire/wheel, clearly a different throttle. Dang that's nice.

[DDQ]

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[DDQ]

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[ATC King]

You could have spread those pictures out a week or so, for suspense. :lol:

[DDQ]

Haha. I could have.

Painted and ready for next deer season.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220121/dd00ab4555a411030b6f57308686805b.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220121/c592352d3b9e7a63a0ee0f9c3d2705e2.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220121/dec503b606bae4f4f8a4ed00c89bb4b1.jpg

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[atctim]

Nice work on the home built front rack. Looks great!

[atctim]

So much going on there. What's that header, hydraulic doohiky on the left bar for, those fork extensions, that tire/wheel, clearly a different throttle. Dang that's nice.
Don't want to steal DDQs thread........It's a Big Al's header and muffler guard, Left hand hydraulic brake master for rear disc brake conversion (foot brake deleted), fork extension came with lift kit, 30" System 360 on 15" wheels, Chinese made 200x / 85-86 ATC200S throttle. Back to DDQs rack build now please. And a JBL Xtreme 2 speaker (the straps were purchased separately).

[Kryten]

Since I didn't do my research first and came across this thread too late...

I purchased an optional Hondaline front rack for my 200M that was advertised as good for the 185S, 200S, 200, and, 200M, but quickly realized it only works for the 185S and 200S. As pointed out already the 185S/200S forks are narrower than the 200/200M. Could it work with some effort? Sure, but I'll skip that hassle and avoid modifying this long gone and rare part.

This rack may go on on my 200S, but I learned it is not compatible with the headlight guard (no surprise). For those unfamiliar the optional Hondaline front racks came with a headlight relocation bracket to raise the headlight for clearing the rack.

Pic shows the narrow 185S/200S rack against the 200M fork.

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