185s dies when tilted right.

[robgdds]

So I have been restoring a basketcase 83 185s and I have a problem. When it is idling if I tilt it to the right it will shut off. If I'm riding it and turn left and 10 mph or more it wants to die unless I'm on the gas.

The machine has an XR cam, 67mm wiseco 10.25:1 piston, big al's exhaust, unifilter, mild port job, I redid the wiring, has brand new CDI, coil, and new china PZ27 replica carb. I have taken the wiring harness apart twice and can not make it die on when idling unless I tilt it to the right. I checked all the connections and moved them around with no problem.

It has a 200es rectifier and battery to make it street legal with a brake light set up and horn.

The choke is hand operated so no cable to bind.

The only thing I could think of is that something is wrong with the carb. I raised the float bowl and I might be better when I tilt it, but when I took it for a ride it wanted to die on the left turns again.

On the straightaways and right turns it is a monster.

Anyone have this problem before?

[big specht]

Check the vents on he carb is the timing advance tight and not floating around on the cam? I’ve seen that before

[Scootertrash]

I redid the wiring, has brand new CDI, coil, and new china PZ27 replica carb.

It has a 200es rectifier and battery to make it street legal with a brake light set up and horn.

On the straightaways and right turns it is a monster.

Anyone have this problem before?
Leave the float set at the factory spec. There's no reason for the float level to affect the how it runs when when turning, unless you're tipping it up on two wheels, and even then it would take a long time on two wheels to drain the bowl of the carb if the float needle actually closed so no fuel was allowed back into the carb.

I know you said you've checked the wires, but the left turn issue sounds like a wiring issue to me.

My 84 200S has the exact same mods except for a SuperTrapp instead of a Big Al's muffler, AAAANNND a FACTORY XR200 carb. And, yes, it does run like a sexually abused simian.

I can run on 2 wheels to the left or right as long as I want without any change in how it runs. That said, it could possibly be the carb. Maybe. Possibly.

As far as the Chinesium carbs......Well, some guys have had good luck with them and others not so much.

No offense intended, but I personally wouldn't waste the money on one. I realize that they are cheap and easy to obtain, but the old saying "You get what you pay for rings true with a lot of the China crap.

I mean, would you marry a girl that was cheap and easy? I dated a lot of them :naughty::naughty: but I didn't marry one.:w00t:

What does it sound like when it dies? Does it gradually putter out like it's starved for fuel, or does it shut right down immediately like you pulled the coil wire? That should be your first diagnostic clue as to where to start.

Keep us posted on your progress:beer

[robgdds]

Thanks for the info, the Chinese carb is not by choice, I can not find a new carb around 26mm that will bolt up other than the chinese. Buying old carbs is hit and miss too. I would gladly pay $200 for a brand new 200x carb.

As for how it sounds when it dies. If it is idling and I tilt it on two wheels it will die immediately. If I'm riding it on the paved streets for example and make a left at about 15mph it starts to miss terribly, to keep from stalling I have to go to 100% throttle and it will clean up. Going straight or right will fix it up.

[TrikeKid]

It's flooding when you tilt it, raising the float (more fuel in the bowl) is going to make that worse. Might try dropping the float some, and it would be a good idea to make sure all the bowl vents work as they shoud. May or may not be something you can fix on the clone carb, some of em are ok, some of em are just plain built too poorly to work 100%.

[robgdds]

Found the problem. I removed the flywheel to see if there were any problems. Took the stator off to inspect it. As I was putting it back in I noticed the wire going to the ignition has a piece of the insulation missing and a frayed piece of wire. I cut resoldered it and shrink-wrapped it. Then carefully put it back together. Problem solved finally. Now I have to change back the crap I did to the carb.

[big specht]

Good deal at least you found it. Those weird problems can be a pain to find.

[El Camexican]

It's flooding when you tilt it, raising the float (more fuel in the bowl) is going to make that worse. Might try dropping the float some, and it would be a good idea to make sure all the bowl vents work as they shoud. May or may not be something you can fix on the clone carb, some of em are ok, some of em are just plain built too poorly to work 100%.

I did a double take when I read your post, and then I started thinking to myself; why have I never seen this never come up before?

When I am adjusting floats, I always do it with the carburetor upside down and measuring to the gasket base, so if I “raise” the float height, from say 15 mm to 17 mm I am in fact lowering the amount of fuel required to seat the needle and stop the flow of fuel.

So in other words, “raising the float height” (when it’s upside down) lowers the float height when it’s right side up.

Maybe it’s just me that never thought about it that way before, I’ve just always had it in my mind that the “higher” the float level was, the less fuel would be in the bowl.

Kind of reminds me of the arguments I have seen people get into over whether or not adding more oil to a two-stroke mix gives you a richer or leaner mix.

[ATC King]

All this talk about float height has me wondering how these trikes continue to run while upside-down and on top of me.

Correct float height?

[El Camexican]

All this talk about float height has me wondering how these trikes continue to run while upside-down and on top of me.

Correct float height?

They run just fine upside down…. until the bowl runs dry.

[207wheelin]

Found the problem. I removed the flywheel to see if there were any problems. Took the stator off to inspect it. As I was putting it back in I noticed the wire going to the ignition has a piece of the insulation missing and a frayed piece of wire. I cut resoldered it and shrink-wrapped it. Then carefully put it back together. Problem solved finally. Now I have to change back the crap I did to the carb.

Good work finding the problem. This is one of those head scratchers that could keep a guy chasing his tail for a while
Take care
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[207wheelin]

They run just fine upside down…. until the bowl runs dry.

Upside down, underwater, ya just cant kill a Honda...until you do!

[350for350]

All this talk about float height has me wondering how these trikes continue to run while upside-down and on top of me.

Correct float height?

Before the 400EX carb swap, that's the only way that my 350X would idle.