Shift Patterns...Still cant get over it!

[atcmatt]

I was reading some old posts abut shift patterns and i cannot get over the fact that my 200es was a diffrent shift pattern to everyone elses on the board. I said the parts 200es motor i had was neutral down 5 up. Its not i made a mistake. The parts motor i still have sitting in my garage is 5th all the way down and neutral all the way up.

Ok, now the 200es that i was riding when i had it (its sold now) was neutral all the way down and 5th all the way up. That is:

- 5th
- 4th
- 3rd
- 2nd
- 1st
- neutral

Some of the guys on here said that their pattern was completely opposite to this. I am COMPLETELY sure my 200es was neutral all the the way down! No doubt about it. I am also sure my parts motor is neutral all the way up.

My 250es has its neutral all the way down also, not including reverse. What is everyone elses 250es shift pattern?

Anyway does anyone have any explanation to why my old 200es had a diffrent shift pattern to everyone elses?

Thanks,

Matt

[renotrikeguy]

Hey Matt,

My 85 250es is neutral all the way down also. Dunno why you have two different shift patterns on the same motor unless someone put one together backwards? (just a thought)...

[threewheelin-feelin]

my 200s pattern is neutral all the way up and all the way down 2 5th. what is the pattern for a 85 86 250r and 350x?

[Lots_Of_Nothing]

for 250R's its first is all the way down, nutrel is inbetween first and second (very first click up, pretty much like half a click) then all the rest are up .. so starting from bottom to top it goes 1-N-2-3-4-5-6 , 350x is the same way last time i rode one.

[Red Rider]

ATCmatt, maybe your 200es motor is mounted upside down. :D

[WannaRace400ex]

my buddy has a 200s that all the gears are down, and another buddy has one the same year that all the gears are up. same damn bike but total oppasite shift patterns. I don't know what is the cause of this?
Eric

[corndawg]

for 250R's its first is all the way down, nutrel is inbetween first and second (very first click up, pretty much like half a click) then all the rest are up .. so starting from bottom to top it goes 1-N-2-3-4-5-6 , 350x is the same way last time i rode one.
thats same as my old '86 200x

[ATCnut]

The older honda trikes had neutral at the top, and the gears went down. It was bass ackwards from a motorcycle (plus neutral was not between 1st and 2nd). Then they changed to neutral being at the bottom, and the gears going up. this is for the auto clutch trikes. the clutch trikes were like cycles, with 1st at the bottom, and neutral between 1st and 2nd

[Name Brand]

My 125m's are both neutral all the way up, and my 250SX is nuetral all the way down (not counting reverse). Both models are clutchless.

Totally confusing when I first got the 250SX. I've gotten used to shifting either way and can usually switch back and forth without too much confusion.

[eh_tee_see]

The 1 down, 5 up pattern is exclusive to six speed trannys; not including reverse, auto clutch has nothing to do with it. but most auto- clutch performance models have reverse which eliminates room for a sixth gear.

[atcmatt]

Maybe my shift pattern was diffrent because it was in fact a 1985 atc200es superred. Yes thats right a 1985 200es. The motor was out of the 85 200es i had with the rusted out frame. I then took it out of the trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro frame and put it in the 84 frame which was good.

Do you think this may be the reason?

I sure dont like the idea of 5th being all the way down :rolleyes:

Matt

[marshallfester^australia]

Hi Matt, My 200es (1984 model) has the same gears as yours did, and the 200e (1982 model) scrap mule has a locked motor but will try to free it up to see what gears that has. I am glad Name Brand can get use to hopping of one bike to another, for when I change over I almost brake my neck, but that comes with older age and the CRAFT disease. Cant Remember a Frigging Thing! Regards Fester :beer

[woodstockii]

I have had 4 or 5 atc110's over the years, I think everytime we got a new one the shift pattern was opposite each other...All 250r's, 350x's and 200x's I have encountered have the 1st down, neutral up a click then the rest up..My '85 250sx and the two 85 bigred 250's have been R N 12345....My 200s is N all the way down, but my 200m (which is pretty much the same motor) have N on the top side..

Go figure I think Honda just likes keeping us on our toes....

[TimSr]

My ALT125 is the worst. Neutral, 1 up, 4 down, autoclutch. Nothing like going up a steep hill, feeling it bog, and knowing you cant pull off a double shift up downshift.

[donwon]

I know this is an old thread, but a I accuired what is apparently a 200m motor, 1985, and the shift pattern is opposite of the 1982 185s motor that I have. so what i'm trying to figure out is, there are two different shift patterns depending on year? is this true. don't want to split the cases again if I don't have to, and can you assemble the whole thing wrong so it does shift opposite or is that a joke.

[ATC-Eric]

I have an 84 that is neutral at the top, 5th at the bottom. My 85 is neutral at the bottom, 5th at the top. If you have 5 gears, and neutral is at the opposite end of 5th just roll with it.

[donwon]

thats good advice lol. just wanted to make sure I wasn't in the process of trashing it. did not know they they changed it up after a certain year. I had opportunity to purchase a motor fairly cheap but passed on it cause neutral was at the wrong end.

[tri again]

reminds me of the euro bikes vs. usa.
shifter was on the opposite SIDE of the engine.
Go to hit the brake and downshift instead.

I wonder if 'down to neutral' was a safety thing. Climb on a running autoshift bike/trike and step on the shifter by accident, and immediately go fwd.
stepping down to neutral may have been a thought.

[Degoragon]

I was reading some old posts abut shift patterns and i cannot get over the fact that my 200es was a diffrent shift pattern to everyone elses on the board. I said the parts 200es motor i had was neutral down 5 up. Its not i made a mistake. The parts motor i still have sitting in my garage is 5th all the way down and neutral all the way up.

Ok, now the 200es that i was riding when i had it (its sold now) was neutral all the way down and 5th all the way up. That is:

- 5th
- 4th
- 3rd
- 2nd
- 1st
- neutral

Some of the guys on here said that their pattern was completely opposite to this. I am COMPLETELY sure my 200es was neutral all the the way down! No doubt about it. I am also sure my parts motor is neutral all the way up.

My 250es has its neutral all the way down also, not including reverse. What is everyone elses 250es shift pattern?

Anyway does anyone have any explanation to why my old 200es had a diffrent shift pattern to everyone elses?

Thanks,

Matt

Most likely, the one with the "5 Down" was a 1984 model year engine, Honda used that shift pattern in 1984 200 Engines, oddly, it is unique to that year. other years used either the "5 up" or the "dogleg first" (1 down, 4 up,1,N,2,3,4,5). I actually like the "5-Down" better, even though my 83 has the "5-up" pattern.

[Ghostv2]

Most likely, the one with the "5 Down" was a 1984 model year engine, Honda used that shift pattern in 1984 200 Engines, oddly, it is unique to that year. other years used either the "5 up" or the "dogleg first" (1 down, 4 up,1,N,2,3,4,5). I actually like the "5-Down" better, even though my 83 has the "5-up" pattern.

That shift pattern is not unique to that year. Jump on an 82 110, has the downshift pattern. Jump on an 83 200e, same thing. 84 200s, same thing.

1985 generally speaking Honda switched to the up shift pattern. GENERALLY speaking 1984 and before were downshift. Obviously it is not the same for some models like the 83 200x, 82 250r, etc. Those sport the typical motorcycle shift pattern.

Without seeing what transmission you had on your 200es, I have no idea why it had the up shift pattern. Maybe it had a different engine, transmission, who knows.

[DohcBikes]

Yes degoragon but im sure his concerns from 12 years ago have passed

[atcmatt]

Still a damn mystery!

[Gearheadtom]

I believe that all the Honda auto clutch engines made before '85 were all shift down to upshift. '85 and up were shift up to upshift.
Kawasaki did something similar, my '86 300 Bayou was shift down to upshift, but the '88 motor in it now is opposite.

I figure it was a safety thing, so the bike couldn't get knocked into gear as easily while getting on, and so that it's easier to downshift when stopping in a hurry.

It gets confusing, jumping between my '82 185s, '84 200es, and '85 250sx. Have to think everytime before I shift.

[jakeesspoo]

I have a couple 200s. I never checked i guess to see if they are the same years or not but they have opposite shift patterns. I had one of them since high school so im most used to that one. So every time i jump on the other one it is totally confusing by habit.