THE MILITARY (Army) BANS RIDING 3 WHEELERS!!!

[jmsmilin]

THE MILITARY (Army) BANS RIDING 3 WHEELERS!!!

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At Ft. Campbell in KY/TN after a kid was being towed in a sled (last month when it snowed) behind a 3 wheeler and his sibling ran into him on a go cart and killed him in the housing area (or so I was told thats how it happened), Ft. Campbell has banned 3 wheelers (of all types even the motorcycle type I think) and all go carts. I will find out for sure the full details and let you know, it was just in an email my commander sent out today.

You can hunt near the outdoor club and all the hunters take 4 wheelers into the mass acreage back there, and I havent checked yet but last time I was here you could ride your ATV/dirtbike back there with proper paperwork and they had an MX track. I was waiting for good weather and to finish up the projects then gear up and go for the first time until this crap happens. Its the militarys usual way of "fixing" things by just halting it all together and reprieving Army commanders from taking the rap for it. One always ruins it for everyone else.

Needless to say I was less than happy about this. At my last station (an AF base in TX) you could ride anything all day long and they even maintained the area. Im inclined to write the installation commander and attempt to change his mind about it.

[jmsmilin]

here is some more info

http://www.wave3.com/Global/story.asp?S=2744990

[jmsmilin]

you couldnt put that all in one post? its probably a good thing they did that.. less liablility on the base.. think about it.

Jesse
whatever, people die in their cars and they dont ban those, I guess you are an advocate of banned 3 wheelers

[twgranger]

Where does it say anything about 3 wheelers????

[VABCH350X]

It's unfortunate that the Base Commander would feel it necessary to ban three wheelers, ATVs, or offroad vehicles all together, but I suppose it is his call to make.

Officers (especially those in command) carry a great deal of responsibility and liability for things that occur on their base, ship or station.

Think about it....not only does he have to worry about the welfare of his subordinates and their families, but a blemish in his service record (which the untimely death of a young kid can surely cause) will decrease his chances for selection to the next higher paygrade.

I'm sure that whatever Flag Officer he answers to is demanding to know what he is doing to prevent any future occurances of ATV accidents on his post, and a total ban may be the best answer for now.

Surely, with time, a group of soldiers who support off road vehicle riding can propose a plan for proper training, atv safety courses, and registration for on base off-road vehicles. Right now he is doing the right thing for the soldiers and the public.

V/R,
-Paul

[Quickonstep]

It's unfortunate that the Base Commander would feel it necessary to ban three wheelers, ATVs, or offroad vehicles all together, but I suppose it is his call to make.

Officers (especially those in command) carry a great deal of responsibility and liability for things that occur on their base, ship or station.

Think about it....not only does he have to worry about the welfare of his subordinates and their families, but a blemish in his service record (which the untimely death of a young kid can surely cause) will decrease his chances for selection to the next higher paygrade.

I'm sure that whatever Flag Officer he answers to is demanding to know what he is doing to prevent any future occurances of ATV accidents on his post, and a total ban may be the best answer for now.

Surely, with time, a group of soldiers who support off road vehicle riding can propose a plan for proper training, atv safety courses, and registration for on base off-road vehicles. Right now he is doing the right thing for the soldiers and the public.

V/R,
-Paul

well put.. exactly what i was trying to get across, but you hit the nail on the head.

[markdb420]

Well, my wife can get on a 3 wheeler and ride it just fine. Lets see you get on a quad or dirt bike and take off fast and make a hard right turn, will you flip? Most likely YES. 3 wheelers are only dangerous when stupid people ride them! If they were still made would I get one for my kids? YES!! Why? Well any idiot can ride a 4wheeler and by learning on a 3 wheeler they would be that much better of a rider. Calling a patriot that is serving this great country an idiot displays a true lack of respect. I would love to see you get banned "quickonstep, AKA, slowonthinking"

[jmsmilin]

It's unfortunate that the Base Commander would feel it necessary to ban three wheelers, ATVs, or offroad vehicles all together, but I suppose it is his call to make.

Officers (especially those in command) carry a great deal of responsibility and liability for things that occur on their base, ship or station.

Think about it....not only does he have to worry about the welfare of his subordinates and their families, but a blemish in his service record (which the untimely death of a young kid can surely cause) will decrease his chances for selection to the next higher paygrade.

I'm sure that whatever Flag Officer he answers to is demanding to know what he is doing to prevent any future occurances of ATV accidents on his post, and a total ban may be the best answer for now.

Surely, with time, a group of soldiers who support off road vehicle riding can propose a plan for proper training, atv safety courses, and registration for on base off-road vehicles. Right now he is doing the right thing for the soldiers and the public.

V/R,
-Paul
Point taken but singling out 3 wheelers is the prob here, what about everyone else that has them in the garage? And the trike motorcycle hog rider types. And there are only certain areas you are supposed to ride ATVs anyway, they were in an unauthorized area as you cant ride in the housing area, so ultimately it was the fault of the parent there. Most likely they didnt even have helmets, the ban is not the answer, its ignorance. Strict rules are the answer and consequences for those that dont abide is the fix.

You guys are starting to sound like the opposing 3 wheeler lawyers. First they ban them, then they do it at one post, then another, then they ban them for even riding them off duty-and ultimately owning them. Who on post will want one in the garage now and put up with the stigma etc? AND THEY COULD ban them like that Ive seen it with other stuff.

[jmsmilin]

Well, my wife can get on a 3 wheeler and ride it just fine. Lets see you get on a quad or dirt bike and take off fast and make a hard right turn, will you flip? Most likely YES. 3 wheelers are only dangerous when stupid people ride them! If they were still made would I get one for my kids? YES!! Why? Well any idiot can ride a 4wheeler and by learning on a 3 wheeler they would be that much better of a rider. Calling a patriot that is serving this great country an idiot displays a true lack of respect. I would love to see you get banned "quickonstep, AKA, slowonthinking"
THANX-now that was WELL SAID, but he did say "sir" lol!

[threewheelin-feelin]

what does the 3wheeler have to do with this...if it was a go cart that hit the sled and killed the kid?

[jmsmilin]

what does the 3wheeler have to do with this...if it was a go cart that hit the sled and killed the kid?
THE "ATV" PULLING THE TUBE WAS A THREE WHEELER!!!!!!!!!! The writer Im sure doesnt know the proper term ATC

[VABCH350X]

I agree full well that three wheelers should not be singled out in this situation, but, as we know, the military has been known to punish the masses to correct the few. While inefficient and perhaps unfair, it is definitely a common theme in all branches of the service.

Since I have never had the pleasure of being stationed anywhere that permitted ATV use on base, I can't attest to how it should be regulated. I would assume that any kind of off road vehicles would be prohibited in base housing, just as they are in any neighborhood.

I would wait until the official message comes out on message traffic and see if registered off road vehicles are indeed banned in the areas traditionally reserved for ORV use. I'm sure you know as well as I do that Unit commanders are capable of exaggeration and/or misinterpretation of Base CO policies. If a message does come across on message traffic, shoot it to me in an email if you don't mind, I'd like to have a look at it.

I really do think that a little time, and an all hands effort to prove responsible ORV ownership and use will persuade the base Commander to permit them once again.

V/R,
-Paul

[jmsmilin]

I agree full well that three wheelers should not be singled out in this situation, but, as we know, they military has been known to punish the masses to correct the few. While inefficient and perhaps unfair, it is definitely a common theme in all branches of the service.

Since I have never had the pleasure of being stationed anywhere that permitted ATV use on base, I can't attest to how it should be regulated. I would assume that any kind of off road vehicles would be prohibited in base housing, just as they are in any neighborhood.

I would wait until the official message comes out on message traffic and see if registered off road vehicles are indeed banned in the areas traditionally reserved for ORV use. I'm sure you know as well as I do that Unit commanders are capable of exaggeration and/or misinterpretation of Base CO policies. If a message does come across on message traffic, shoot it to me in an email if you don't mind, I'd like to have a look at it.

I really do think that a little time, and an all hands effort to prove responsible ORV ownership and use will persuade the base Commander to permit them once again.

V/R,
-Paul
absolutely, what do you do?

[350x'inNY]

you are singling out 3 wheelers.. no one else, it says ATV'S AND GOKARTS! doesnt look like anyone is sigaling anything out but you.

and mark you would love to see me banned? LOL.. thats funny? because you cant handle the truth? now THAT is funny.

Jesse


Ummm.... If you look at the link, it wasn't from the military it was from a local news station about what happened. NOT what action the military is taking.

As far as personal insults about "Idiots" ... take a look at yourself first. I agree with MarkDB420.... Quickonstep... where you steping your foot to?? your mouth? Quickstepfootinmouth?.? kettle? pot? black?

I can see this thread being quickly eliminated by the mods and rightfully so. You ever see the movie Bambi? "If you can't say nothing nice... don't say nothing at all"

Thanks for the info jmsmilin. This is what we need to be mindful of when we ride etc. Just like an earlier post today about riding double on a R by a definite newbie... use common sense or worse things will be coming down the line! It's bad enough I can't find insurance coverage anymore for my 3wheeler. In NYS it's a law now to have registration and insurance on your ATV's to ride anywhere but your own property. Mishaps like this will bring the scope in on all ATV's. (no pun intended on the scope!)

Bruce

[azhondagrl]

I would like to show sympathy for you, and now that i've tried PM'ing you a million times, i'll just high jack your thread. DUDE YOU OWE ME MONEY!! BE A MAN AND AT LEAST RESPOND TO MY MESSAGES! quit hiding like a little baby...PLEASE!

oh and by the way, yeah three wheelers are unsafe, yeah cars are unsafe, yeah WALKING DOWN THE STREET is unsafe, everything today is unsafe, that doesn't stop us from doing them! But anything on 3 wheels by nature will not be as sturdy....i'd rather have a 4 legged table then a 3 legged table...woudln't you? i didn't even bother to read the article, but I do agree with the people that think 3wheelers arne't the safest thing their is, and riding on a government military base would be a HUGE liability for anyone associated with it, even the rider.

[jmsmilin]

Ummm.... If you look at the link, it wasn't from the military it was from a local news station about what happened. NOT what action the military is taking.

As far as personal insults about "Idiots" ... take a look at yourself first. I agree with MarkDB420.... Quickonstep... where you steping your foot to?? your mouth? Quickstepfootinmouth?.? kettle? pot? black?

I can see this thread being quickly eliminated by the mods and rightfully so. You ever see the movie Bambi? "If you can't say nothing nice... don't say nothing at all"

Thanks for the info jmsmilin. This is what we need to be mindful of when we ride etc. Just like an earlier post today about riding double on a R by a definite newbie... use common sense or worse things will be coming down the line! It's bad enough I can't find insurance coverage anymore for my 3wheeler. In NYS it's a law now to have registration and insurance on your ATV's to ride anywhere but your own property. Mishaps like this will bring the scope in on all ATV's. (no pun intended on the scope!)

Bruce
Im an NY rez too, I know about the non-reg on your own prop only, but man that is a bind if no one will insure you, you cant go anywhere, and prop in NY is $$$ especially enuf to ride on

[Fox250R]

stupid thread!

[Billy Golightly]

I edited several posts out of this thread...Remember people-Intelligent thought debate.


Sorry to here about the restrictions you now have jsmillin, there have been several deaths on atv's here locally (All rider error) but I believe it is only a matter of time before they start cracking down on onroad use very hard.

[Tri-ZNate]

Ok i just read this thread and I have 2 questions.
1- the gocart hit the kid on the tube and caused him to die or did the kid on the 3 wheeler get hit and roll and die?
2- Why would a member of a 3 wheeler site want 3 wheelers banned on any property? It is the skill level of the rider that counts not the number of wheels. I can ride a petal bike but you put me on a dirt bike and I will probably roll it because I have no EXPERIENCE.

[Trikeaholic]

Nationwide is my insurer and they have no problem with insuring wheelers last I asked them. I did not take a policy out though. (no need)

[350x'inNY]

Im an NY rez too, I know about the non-reg on your own prop only, but man that is a bind if no one will insure you, you cant go anywhere, and prop in NY is $$$ especially enuf to ride on

Legally, in NY you are suppose to have every ATV you own registered (plate on it), even if you ONLY ride it on your own property. This is new with in the year. The registration cost hike from $10 a year to ~$50-70 (anyone got an exact?) was shot down over the summer. (for now!)

From what I was told, if I was riding my trike on my own property w/o tags, they could legally take my trike. Around here, I find it very very unlikely, but the new laws on the books allow it. I only have tags for the Showgirl! I have 5 more 3 wheelers in my possession that are tagless.

Bruce

PS - Thanks for the info Holic... I'll have to look into Nationwide. Thanks!

[jenndnn3]

You have "rights" now in the military???? :wondering When did they start issueing those out? :confused:

[markdb420]

Farm Bureau is my insurer and they have no problem with 3 wheelers. It costs $100 a year per ATV for liability and theft insurance. In Virginia ATV's are not registered and when you buy a new one here they do not issue a title. I didn't even get a new MSO with my 400ex when I purchased it.

I remember having rights when I was in the Army! Not many, but still had some! :beer

[jmsmilin]

You have "rights" now in the military???? :wondering When did they start issueing those out? :confused:
lol!

hey thanks for getting rid of those bad posts by quickonstep!

the tube was being towed by a 3 wheeler

[threewheelin-feelin]

ok i understand now....they are banning all off road vehicles

[ATC crazy]

In Virginia ATV's are not registered and when you buy a new one here they do not issue a title. I didn't even get a new MSO with my 400ex when I purchased it.


Yup, We bought ours 3 years ago, loaded it on the trailer and brought it home and that was that. Ever summer we go riding in the National Forest and not a question is asked to anyone (there is usually no one there of authority)


I cant believe these states make you register your ATV if you ride soley (sp) on your own private land :mad: I wouldnt even bother. If they came up to me Id say "F off" and leave them in the dust.

Remember: "...From my cold, dead hands!" :w00t:

[threewheelin-feelin]

my uncle got titles when he bought the new crf150 and the xr70.....but they were not registerd

[jjjg-02]

hey jmsmilin are you at campbell now? let me know because thats where i'm stationed at and i'll be home in about a month and a half. and i have and know all lids of places to ride. drop me a line.

[jjjg-02]

i know this is an old thread but i have been in a 3 world country for a year now so cut me some slack. the 3wheeler being referd to here used to be mine and i sold it to the guy who had the accident. it was a blue 85 225dx. the dumb sob was in my company when he bought it. had i known that this was going to happen i would never have sold it to him! anyways the 3 wheeler wasnt at fault, they were pulling a tube with it in the snow and the kid on the tube fell off and got ran over by the go cart that was following the tube and nobody had helmets on so the poor kid got his head crushed. so that the deal behind the no atvs or what ever on ft campbell. you couldnt ride them on post for a long time anyway, there use dto be a mx track and trails but they got closed due to the guy that was running it was ilegally timbering black walnut trees off it and pocketing the money himself. so once again some jacka@# ruins it for the rest of us!

[LonesomeTriZ]

I can not beleive this happened. I am sacrificing my freedom (so to speak) to serve in the military. Now some prick is going to tell me I can not enjoy my trikes? This is why I am becoming an officer. The lower enlisted seem to have no voice. I hope I can change some of that through out my career.

[jjjg-02]

if you want to change who can and cant ride on post you need to be a full bird or better,only the garrison commander or the cg can make that call. anyways for the recored lower enlisted would be an E -4 and below, i'm a nco,a noncomissioned
officer but anyways. when do you get commissioned or get on active duty?

[LonesomeTriZ]

I am an E-5, so I have a pretty good idea as to who always gets screwed. I am in a holding company waiting for my OCS class to begin next week. I realize an O-1 can not do much. But it is the start I need to become an O-6 or higher. In order to get to a place where I can make a difference, I must first serve my time and work my way up.

[jjjg-02]

yea i know about the whole working your way up thing trust me i have been at this game for 8 years now and i have about had it! if i could reenlist to be a general i would stay in for the rest of my life but that will never happen! anyway do you know what branch you are getting yet? how's ft benning? try and go to jump school while your down there if you can you wont regret it!

[LonesomeTriZ]

Benning is freaking hot! I got Field Artillery. I am still not sure if I should be happy or not. I know jump and Ranger school will be in my near future though. Again, I am not sure how I should feel about that.

[jjjg-02]

thats cool as heck man anything combat arms is awesome! the only ba dthing is you wont do artillery stuff when you come to iraq, unless you get to be one of the lucky guys who get to set up a counter battery to shoot back at the guys shooting morters, now thats fun! hey if you like the high speed physicall aspect of the army try as hard as you can to get in a light unit, mechinized guys are lazy and fat. when i was in italy we used to jump with the arty guys and they would have the 105's set up and sending rounds down range in like 3 min thats was the cats you know what! but anyway good luck with ocs and remmember benning is heaven compared t where your gonna end up!

[85ytz250n]

This is just another example of the militaries use of catering to the lowest common denominator. This is always a favorite tool of the career oriented pencil dicked, paper pushing pansies that run todays military. Its always easier for the officers to stop something all together than to get off of their butts and punish the people responsible for stuff like this. I hate to get on my soap box but hell, I am already there may as well put it all down. They should fry the owner of both vehicles, if they were supervising it wouldnt have happened, if they were in an aproved riding area with approved safety gear it wouldnt have happened. If the parents had taught there kids to respect the machines they were "playing on" it probably wouldnt have happened. How about instead of banning the use, they double the punishment for those not supervising the use of their ATV's. I hated the Navy because they used to do the same crap for everything that they were to sorry or to PC to fix the right way. Its like the entire country is being relieved of its responsibilities. Hey its not your fault your kid used your atv and died, its our fault, we shouldnt let you own one to begin with, but we'll fix that. I think the whole thing is bullcrap. Charge the owner and parents with involuntary manslaughter, burn them with the UCMJ, and then kick them out of the Army. Are these really the type of people that we want in our military anyway, they cant even be responsible for thier own kids and property, why would we trust them with anything more than a toillet brush at the local Hardee's? OK, that is about all my ranting that I can stand at one time. I know it isnt exactly Politicly Correct, but then again, I aint really a PC guy anyway. $.02

Barry

[LonesomeTriZ]

I have heard about the patrolling in Iraq. It does not matter what your job is, you are now performing infantry tasks.

I hear you YTZ. There is no excuse for not punishing the guilty. I am sick of paying for other people's mistakes. I want to serve my country, but I am sick and god damn tired of the double standards and hypocrisies that run ramped in the military. I have on more than one occasion wondered if this is the right career move for me. I have just too much common damn sense to be in that Army. However, I do hope that using that common sense will in some way help improve the lives of the soldiers I am entrusted to lead.

[jmsmilin]

i know this is an old thread but i have been in a 3 world country for a year now so cut me some slack. the 3wheeler being referd to here used to be mine and i sold it to the guy who had the accident. it was a blue 85 225dx. the dumb sob was in my company when he bought it. had i known that this was going to happen i would never have sold it to him! anyways the 3 wheeler wasnt at fault, they were pulling a tube with it in the snow and the kid on the tube fell off and got ran over by the go cart that was following the tube and nobody had helmets on so the poor kid got his head crushed. so that the deal behind the no atvs or what ever on ft campbell. you couldnt ride them on post for a long time anyway, there use dto be a mx track and trails but they got closed due to the guy that was running it was ilegally timbering black walnut trees off it and pocketing the money himself. so once again some jacka@# ruins it for the rest of us!

Well its interesting to see the representation of our military here. I am an SFC, I just left Campbell. Yeah I remember that old MX track too. Its too bad all that stuff that happened, its nice to hear the detials of it all first hand. There is a big riding area in TN, I have to look it up, but maybe on a long weekend we can hook up, I think its in Mufreesboro, but dont quote me, its here on the site somewhere. Turkey bay (in KY) and Linton beach (Bumpus Mills TN area 1hr or so from Campbell toward Dover out gate 10) are pretty good areas. Plus at the beach you can bring family and ride while tey swim, thats what I always did.

LonesomeTriZ I actually just left OCS at Benning. You must be over in HHC waiting for your class to start. I went thru OCS and decided the commission wasnt for me. What company are you going to, I know many TACs there. Is 1SG B over at HHC now? I got ADA, when I couldnt get it changed I left OCS, yeah a big decision, many reasons, the biggest is the job I have now as an SFC (made the list while at OCS) was too great to give up. I have a "soft skill" job as they say, there are only 100 of us in the Army and most of the E7s are stateside in good jobs so unless they were going to give me what I wanted I wasnt gonna take it. I dropped a 4187 and it got disapproved, while other folks got approved. In the Army you need to design your own career and path, and go where you want not where others tell you to go, its worked for me thus far anyway. Good luck in OCS, be a team player and dont worry about those FTXs, its all easy, I went thru the whole course a few months ago so if you have any ?s let me know.

[LonesomeTriZ]

LonesomeTriZ I actually just left OCS at Benning. You must be over in HHC waiting for your class to start. I went thru OCS and decided the commission wasnt for me. What company are you going to, I know many TACs there. Is 1SG B over at HHC now? I got ADA, when I couldnt get it changed I left OCS, yeah a big decision, many reasons, the biggest is the job I have now as an SFC (made the list while at OCS) was too great to give up. I have a "soft skill" job as they say, there are only 100 of us in the Army and most of the E7s are stateside in good jobs so unless they were going to give me what I wanted I wasnt gonna take it. I dropped a 4187 and it got disapproved, while other folks got approved. In the Army you need to design your own career and path, and go where you want not where others tell you to go, its worked for me thus far anyway. Good luck in OCS, be a team player and dont worry about those FTXs, its all easy, I went thru the whole course a few months ago so if you have any ?s let me know.


Hey, I heard about you! Some one was telling me the other day about an OC that got E-7 then decided to drop from OCS. What a small world. Yeah 1SG brataan is over year at HHC now. (yes I am still here) He is a real good NCO. We are very lucky to have him.

[jmsmilin]

Yeah theres been a few. The thing about me is I actually finished the course. So are you waiting for a class or did did ya get a recycle? You sure have a lot of rides for being in the service how do you manage all of them? Is whats her name still the HHC OC-IC...?

[LonesomeTriZ]

No, I have not been recycled. Between a MAJOR paper work issue and a few stupid problems (that should not have even been a problems) I am still here. She was releived of duty then went on to class a few weeks later. All my rides are at home (hopefully) covered up and awaiting thier move to our new house at my next duty station.

[jmsmilin]

well you are fairly close by if you want to go ride one weekend then, do you have anything to ride with you, or how far away are they?

[LonesomeTriZ]

Not yet. I plan to take leave very soon. All my rides are in Seffner. That is just out side of Tampa.