snapped bolt AND extractor bolt.......FIXED :)

[kilabeez0]

do i need to have a welder get it out or something? any ideas on how else i could mount the rear silencer?

[Lots_Of_Nothing]

you allready asked this same exact question; http://www.3wheelerworldforums.com/showthread.php?t=33610&highlight=snapped+bolt+extractor

[kilabeez0]

i was looking for more ideas. i tried drilling around it, and the mount is so small that i'll go right through the side. anyone in mass that can weld?

[samster143]

You need to find someone with Diamond drill bits. "like what your wife wants on her finger". Call around, someone will have it. I found an electric motor repair shop to get mine out. $20 a pop.

[Oldshell4481]

i wouldnt weld anything, what can you get at it with when the silencer is off? just an idea but could you tap it out in the opposite direction the bolt turns to come off, then but another bolt in there, eventually tightening it so much (without breaking it) that the broken bolt comes free and unscrews?

[kilabeez0]

i wouldnt weld anything, what can you get at it with when the silencer is off? just an idea but could you tap it out in the opposite direction the bolt turns to come off, then but another bolt in there, eventually tightening it so much (without breaking it) that the broken bolt comes free and unscrews?

dont really know what you mean

[Oldshell4481]

lol basically try and tap out the broken extractor bolt with a tap and die set so that you can put in a bolt, tap it out with reverse threading so that when you tighten the bolt into the extractor it will get tight so that as you are tightening the bolt you put in it will unscrew the broken bolts, i may not know what im talking about though, just crazy ideas.. i dont know if that is what an extractor bolt set is or not, ive never seen or used one.

[kilabeez0]

the extractor bolt is the reverse threaded bolt your talking about. see first i snapped off a regular bolt. i tried to get that out by tapping a hole into the middle and threading the reverse threaded bolt in, ie the extractor. tightening the reverse threaded extractor is going the direction I would need to unscrew the snapped off bolt. while trying this, the reverse threaded extractor bit snapped off. these bits are super strong and difficult to remove, there will be no trying to drill into the tiny center of the extractor!!!

[Oldshell4481]

alright, i have no clue on this, i guess the welding a nut on idea sounds the best as long as you are careful. i hate to put a weld onto anything that could get messed up by it.

[Trikeaholic]

NEVER EVER use screw extractors, this has been gone over hundreds of times on this forum. THey seldom work. Usually, if a fastener breaks off while trying to remove it, it is so corroded, its stuck. So think about it, You drill a right hand spiral cutting tool into the broken bolt, that in turn tightens it more, then you jam a piece of tool steel in the hole, spreading it out fatter, in the already rusted stuck female threads. Does anyone actually think that this is a good method of extracting a broken bolt?? its not. It is the absolute worst way. Now, you are screwed, and need to go get the extractor EDM'ed out. Call a machine shop.

[3Razors]

Good luck, those screw extractors are like 10 times harder than any know drill bit!

[KASEY]

i would drill a hole in the back side and punch out that extractor ,,, its to hard to drill or tap ,,, then start over,,,,

[hondatrikesrule22]

I would fab a new mount...

[Oldshell4481]

I would fab a new mount...

quite possibly the easiest idea out there

[Macs]

the easiest way is a reverse drill bit, they are hard to come by but they are usaully at mom and pop hardware stores. the bit will lock itself and unscrew it every single time, never fails.

[KASEY]

its toooo bad that more people don't listen to words from wise ones ,,,, like HOLIC,,
if a fastener breaks off while trying to remove it, it is so corroded, its stuck. So think about it,

HE IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT,,,, if it broke off with a wrench on it a drill bit going foward or BACKWARDS won't get it out,,, you will save many headaches by planning on doing it the hard way first,,,, :D :D :D

[kilabeez0]

NEVER EVER use screw extractors, this has been gone over hundreds of times on this forum. THey seldom work. Usually, if a fastener breaks off while trying to remove it, it is so corroded, its stuck. So think about it, You drill a right hand spiral cutting tool into the broken bolt, that in turn tightens it more, then you jam a piece of tool steel in the hole, spreading it out fatter, in the already rusted stuck female threads. Does anyone actually think that this is a good method of extracting a broken bolt?? its not. It is the absolute worst way. Now, you are screwed, and need to go get the extractor EDM'ed out. Call a machine shop.

simmer down there holic. if that was the case in which the head broke you'd be right, but your not. first off, i snapped the head off a BRAND NEW bolt by overtightening a CHEAP softer bolt I had laying around, not a hardened steel bolt. Second, I used a quality, or what I thought was a quality extractor set. Third, slowly drilling into the bit isn't going to tighten it up more since it was so tight the head snapped off. And I have had good luck with extractor bits before. :beer

[kilabeez0]

its toooo bad that more people don't listen to words from wise ones ,,,, like HOLIC,,

HE IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT,,,, if it broke off with a wrench on it a drill bit going foward or BACKWARDS won't get it out,,, you will save many headaches by planning on doing it the hard way first,,,, :D :D :D


~~smacks Kasey~~ :o

fabbing a mount is what i'm interested in. I dont want to take it to the custom chopper shop where they'd laugh my 200x out the door and probably wouldn't waste their time. could a regular machine shop do it?

[jenndnn3]

I have a suggestion, what trike is this on? Can you pull or separate the head pipe? If so take it off, Pop trike in air, take tire off, take fenders off and start rotating the silencer itself around? Other wise go through it in the back like Kasey said. And throw those extractors away.

[kilabeez0]

you mean rotate the silencer so the mount is on the back of the frame rail? i'm not sure if that would work. it is on my 200x

[Trikeaholic]

And I have had good luck with extractor bits before. :beer

You are one of the few! :D

[Blown 331]

I always weld a nut to broken bolts. Even if its broken off a few threads below the surface I can still get it and not weld to the threads. Find someone to do that.

[staceyl200]

Is the silencer still attatched to the trike? if it is get something like a dremel and grind whatever is left of the head of the bolt then take silencer off you should be left with a stub of the bolt which you can then get a pipe wrench or something similar and crack it off

[bigredhead]

I agree with Blown.

IF you can get your hands on a welder... find a nut with the inside diameter as close as possible to the size of the head on that bolt,, line it up and zap a quick weld into the nut to stick it to the bolt.. grab a wrench while it's still hot and back it out !

if you DON'T have access to a welder.. a dremel is a slow but possible option.

[kilabeez0]

i have access to a body shop across the street from my work. i picked up the trike tonight and threw it in the back of my van to take to work. tomorrow i plan on hooking up the rear breaks, and monday i'll have the body shop probably cut the mount off and weld a new one on. I think that's my safest bet. I'll ask his opinion on trying to weld a nut on and twisting it off, it's pretty recessed though, but cant hurt to ask. Thanks alot for all the help. I'll give an update on how it turns out.

[Macs]

alright KASEY, i worked many years in an alklation unit which to the people that dont know better it is an acid unit. i take out the worst rusted corrosive bolts everytime, usaully within a minute. This would definatley take it out, if it doesnt then it cannot be possibly taken out. which i think the bolt in question is very amateur.

[kilabeez0]

I cant believe I didn't think of having them do it before. The body shop cut off about half of the mount and welded a stainless bolt head first to the frame. Then they slipped a nice rubber grommet thing with washers on each side for the silencer to rest against, and then simply put a stainless nut on and tightened it up. Came out really nice. I'm not sure if it'll cause any mounting problems when I order up a PRM grab bar but we'll see. If I have to, I'll cut the rear of the grab bar off on that side. I'll post pics hopefull tomorrow.