Need Opinions on this, The Z or R

[Kintore]

Well its come a time in my life to decide what to do. After lots of tossing and turning in bed trying to think what to do, I decided to ask the fine experts of 3WW. :D
My goal here is to have a really fast 3 wheeler to smoke my friends quads. 3 of them now have 400ex's, one with a pipe and lots of other mods. The stock Z isnt cutting it, not anymore. And buying a 4 wheeler isnt a option, it will all that I stand for haha. The reason for an R is this, the parts are everywhere, the Z parts are getting harder to come by.

Option 1- I sell the Z(in my area, a 1985 just went for 2600 with a DG pipe and new plastics) and buy a 250r and mod the crap outta it. (Paul turner pipe or FMF, K+N filter, Port it for top, Reed cage and reeds)

Option 2- I keep the Z and buy an R. Then slowy I gain the money to buy upgrades for it. That will take forever...

Option 3- I keep the Z, find a LRD pipe or DG, port it, pipe it(Im worried about the reliablity of it though, and it really doesnt bother me if i dont have the most mint Z, I dont think I do anyways lol.)

Option 4(last one)- I help my dad fix the 1986 200x, we sell it. He pays me some for the Z, I buy an R and do the above mods to it.

Im open to other options too... :TrikesOwn

[Maine_Triker]

I think I'd go for option #4.

Just so you wouldn't lose the Z for ever....

[monster 84r]

if i were you, id do option 3, but get the head milled, and bigger carb with the mods youve already listed. with this setup, you would not just beat, but totally annihlate 400ex's like no tomorrow. i am a big 'r fan though. i just like to keep my bikes when their running well. option 4 sounds good too, but it all comes down to how bad you want to beat these guys.

[dovesprings250R]

option 5. keep your good running z as is and get yourself in top shape. practice riding the local areas without your buddies and get your techniqe dialed, then invite your buddies for a ride and smoke them. Maybe you haul, I've not ridden with you,but you shoul be able to kiil em on your z I think.

[Howdy]

option 5. keep your good running z as is and get yourself in top shape. practice riding the local areas without your buddies and get your techniqe dialed, then invite your buddies for a ride and smoke them. Maybe you haul, I've not ridden with you,but you shoul be able to kiil em on your z I think.


If you seen Kintore ride at TF05 you would see his riding ability isn't as much a issue here. He didn't get a Trophy for nothing. ;)

I would try to go with #2 or #4. You might try finding a couple smaller cheap machines and buy & sell them to raise the needed cash to help with the R & Z projects. ;)
Howdy

[Derrick Adams]

Hey Kintore. In my opinion, I would look for an R to build. Just because they're more plentiful. However, I wouldn't be in a rush to get rid of the Z to do it. Your Tri-z is an 86, and as such it is the most sought after all ready. That 6 speed tranny makes it the rarest of the breed.

Honestly, we really don't know where your trying to stack up against your buddys on your Z. In a straight line, you should be killing them already. If your trying to keep up on a track, forget it. Buying an R won't help you either. As a matter of fact, the 250R and TRI-Z are so evenly matched in 86 that buying an R shouldn't matter anywhere.

If you want to do a couple easy tricks to get more power, consider doing the wrench report mod to your stock pipe and swapping to a 250R carb with a good filter. These things should show you a significant increase in performance.

[Kintore]

Ok heres the plan, I buy an R next summer, then slowly I gain the money to put money into it.

And then this year I buy a DG pipe, 250r carb, and a UNI. I already have reeds, do I need to rejet after I put reeds in it? Because I didnt, this may be why I am not running at the tri-z's prime. Which in turn would be less performance. Do I need to rejet for reeds?
Link to wrench report mod (http://www.quadpit.com/mags/1985/3-4w-action/yam-wrench-report-01.htm)

Derrick, for the 250r carb, do I have to do any modifications to make it fit? Or will it just slid on there and attach to the stock place? So you say adding a new carb, filter and instead of cutting my pipe I buy a DG I will have noticiable power gains?

[350x'inNY]

How about some gearing modifications??? Tire size etc???

Kintore.... do NOT sell your Z... you will kick yourself later if you do...

I have to agree hard with Derrick Adams on this... buying an R is about the same as a 86-Z (6-gear) What kind of riding are you doing with your friends? I know Steve's 86Z was the drag master at TF04 ...

Even if your buddies do beat you a bit on their 400's, explain to them that you are down 150cc and a tire, so suck it up cupcakes! Go find yourself another fine historical 250 3 wheeler and THEN let's talk! hahhaa

Bruce

[Kintore]

And im also running 20 inch razr's, I havent dragged them yet with my new tires but its alot faster now. Im starting to think, I added those reeds before TF and I didnt rejet. Maybe I should have?

[Derrick Adams]

My 250R carb fit right on, but I already had the cable and honda thumb throttle. It fits right in the factory boots though.

[threewheelin-feelin]

theres always the 86-87 tecate

[Kintore]

The parts issue, thats why im pretty well stuck on a 250r. The quad is still so popular that the parts are like bellybuttons. Everyones got some. lol well you get the point.
Im now trying to find a LRD pipe or DG for the Z...

[Ryah]

Keep the TriZ and do the wrench report. My TriZ has all mods, except mine had an aftermarket pipe on it. It easily keeps up with piped Banshees. My only problem is keeping the front end down on take off. It's an 85 and I weigh too much to do a second gear takeoff without slipping the clutch too much. The only thing that I added in addition to the wrench report was a set of DeltaV 2 reeds. This only gave it more low end so it wouldn't stall if I was climbing a large dune and didn't want to downshift, hit the powerband and flip. Now it will sputter up to the top without stalling. Keeping it in the powerband it flat flys.

[twgranger]

Have this engine work done and it will solve all your problems!!! I have all the engine work done except the bigger carb and it made a hell of a diffrence!! Well worth the money. You won't have to worry about them 400's anymore.

http://www.quadpit.com/mags/1985/3-4w-action/yam-wrench-report-01.htm
http://www.quadpit.com/mags/1985/3-4w-action/yam-wrench-report-02.htm