GRIZZLY starter problems...

[chris200x]

Ok, as most of you know I have a quad now :rolleyes: But this electric starter is driving me nuts. After I push the starter and the engine fires the starter stays engaged. I can still hear the motor spinning (or whatever it does) and there is also an occasional horrible grinding noise :eek: Any thoughts? Can a starter be rebuilt? What in the hell is a seliniod? :lol:

It also has trouble idling on its own. No matter how much i adjust the idle screw it won't stay running on it's own???

Btw... I managed to snap the rope off the pull starter today! :lol: Are they hard to replace? Aren't they wound around some sort of spring or coil of some sort? Any help would sure be appreciated.

[brapp]

its normal i already tought the same thing. the starter gear uses cintrifugal force to spin it back torwards the starter. the littel noise is normal. but the broken rope is a ***** i did it once or twice to it. and the idle problem i have no idea on unbles si look at it.

[sblt500r]

i'm not sure how a grizzly starter engages but they ussually have a gear between the starter and the crank, which acts as a centrifigal clutch or its a one way gear. it must have some sort of access panel to check it. might just need some oil?

a solenoid is what puts power to the starter from the battery. when you push the starter it sends an electrical current to one side of the solenoid that actavaites a magnet that completes the circut from the battery to the starter.

i would try a bigger pilot jet. either that or it has an air leak.

pull ropes are so easy to replace! well easy for me. lol gets some heavy duty rope. perferably nylon. the biggest you can fit in there, but not to big or it won't work. unbolt the pullstart. remove the old rope. wind it, by twisting the piece the rope goes around. you should feel tension from the spring. wind it almost as far as it will go. then put the rope in which you already tied a good Knot on. make sure its a little longer than you need. then let it go SLOWLY or it will wind too fast and hit you in the face!! it will just suck the rope in if its not tight long enough, then you have to start all over again. then when the ropes almost all the way wound up put the handle back on and tie another nice Knot on the rope. and then you should be all set!!

[chris200x]

"i would try a bigger pilot jet. either that or it has an air leak."


:eek: :eek: :eek: OH NO!!!! :lol: I got some stuff to fix that airleak! :lol:

I'm waiting for my dad to print out a manual for me. I got one on disk but I think it would be a little easier printed out. I don't think this should be too hard to get going. Worst case senerio is a new starter. I really don't think that is a normal starter noise that it's making.

One thing going for me is my next door neighbor has the same exact thing. :D PARTS ANYONE? :lol: Nea, but at least I have a reference.

Brapp. What in the hell did you do to this quad? :crazy: There's nuts and bolts missing all over the place! :( :lol:

[chris200x]

Does anyone know if a 01' starter will work on the 99' or are any years compatable?

[chris200x]

Can someone tell me... Is it only the two bolts that hold the starter on. The two on the top and bottom in the picture. It's unbelievibly tight in there and I don't want to take out any bolts I don't have too. That, and I still don't have the manual. (dad forgot it at work!)

Also... The blower behind the radiator. Is that supposed to run all the time? it don't spin when I start the engine???

It sucks when your buddies call you on Saturday morning to go riding and you can't go. :( It did however motivate me to go out and work on this! :lol:

[sblt500r]

what are those 2 long bolts for? looks like they hold the starter together? if thats so, yeah it looks like those 2 bolts.

that fan should, i belive only spin when the engine reaches operating temps. its to help keep the oil cool. thats an oil cooler right? if it doesn't spin when it gets hot it could be a fuse or the fan motor is dead. that might be why your having problems with the engine shuting off when its hot, might be like some sort of saftey kill swith so you don't blow the motor.

[chris200x]

Hmmm,, I'm not real sure. I don't have the manual handy I'm pretty sure it's an oil cooler though???

The 2 eight mm bolts I believe hold the starter on. The long bolts hold the starter together I think.

Does anyone know if Yamaha has a website similiar to servicehonda? Somewhere I can get part numbers to see if any other years match up?

[Tri-ZNate]

The 2 long bolts hold the starter together. There should be 2 bolts or screws on the opposite side that hold the starter to the engine. Take them off and the starter will slide out.

[chris200x]

So then the long bolts are what I unscrew to take the starter apart. :beer

Man I was out there for almost an hour trying to get that freakin starter out of there. I thought taking the carb off the 200x was tight. this is ridiculous!

[sblt500r]

yup thats an oil cooler. try this link

http://www.mrcycles.com/fiche_select.asp?vcc=ATVs&mfg=Yamaha&year=2004

they give you part numbers and such.

[chris200x]

Holey smokes! Their asking price for a starter is $56 cheaper than I've seen anywhere else! Thanks Shawn.

Looks like the part numbers match up for 99' and 01' starters. I've seen some 01's on ebay within the last couple days. I will first try to get this one off and clean it up to see if it works.

[sblt500r]

[QUOTE=chrisr200x]Holey smokes! Their asking price for a starter is $56 cheaper than I've seen anywhere else! Thanks Shawn.QUOTE]

i try to help when i can. :beer that was the first place i tried for yamaha parts! :D

do you know how to check a starter with a battery charger? put the negitive on the starter frame, and then take the positve and touch it to the bolt where the starter wire goes. and it should spin.

[chris200x]

I've heard of that somewhere before. I think it spins OK because it does start the motor. The problem is it won't stop. Then I get some funky grinding noises if the motor decreases it's rpm's

[chris200x]

Got this stinking starter off and apart.

This is my first trip inside an electric starter... How do I know if it's shot or not. Judging by some of the pics of seen of starters on the ole 250sx's this one looks mint! :lol:

The only things I noticed was alot of black dust inside. Anyone know where that comes from? Also all the spines on the end of the shaft are good. One thing that has me wondering is I looked inside the hole in the motor where the starter shaft goes in. All the teeth on that gear also look A-OK but, I noticed there is some play (side to side) in that gear in the motor... Is this normal?

[chris200x]

Is there some kind of spray you can use to clean the brushes or the starter itself?

[sblt500r]

that dust is from the brushes. that really isn't that dirty. i wouldn't spray anything on it like do you have a compressor? use that, blow it out with compressed air.

your noise is probably coming from the idler gear in the engine. when you get the starter put back together, put a power source to it as if to turn it on to see or hear what it sounds like.

[chris200x]

Thanks for the reply... I was starting to wonder if anyone came into this forum! So what you mean is if I hear no noise coming from the starter than the noise I hear when the motor is running is coming from the motor? Hmmm, I wonder what's all involved with gettin in at those gears? Do the cases have to be split?

My guess is that the gears for the electric starter and the pull starter somehow are tied in together. I guess that's a question? :lol: Would I be able to access those gears from behind the pullstarter? I started messin around with that brokin rope today also. Not much to that.

One would guess there to be a decompression lever to use with the pull starter? A 600cc motor seems to be alot to try and turn over with a rope. But there isn't a lever on the handlebars. I don't even see one on my neighbors griz either. :rolleyes:

[sblt500r]

yes thats right. if you turn on the starter in your hand and hear no wierd noises then its not the starter but behind that cover. to get at those gears you don't have to split the cases. just remove the nut on the flywheel that holds on the pull start thing. and then take out those bolts holding that case on. theres probably oil behind it so you'll have to drain the oil.

yeah the pull ropes are easy to replace.

as for the decompression lever, cable, is there anything on the head? i've never seen a griz in person so i don't know, but every decompresion lever i've seen has some kind of lever on the head to push down on a valve. if not you better get the weights out!!

[chris200x]

yes thats right. if you turn on the starter in your hand and hear no wierd noises then its not the starter but behind that cover. to get at those gears you don't have to split the cases. just remove the nut on the flywheel that holds on the pull start thing. and then take out those bolts holding that case on. theres probably oil behind it so you'll have to drain the oil.

yeah the pull ropes are easy to replace.

as for the decompression lever, cable, is there anything on the head? i've never seen a griz in person so i don't know, but every decompresion lever i've seen has some kind of lever on the head to push down on a valve. if not you better get the weights out!!

DOH! Never thought to check there. I'll check it out in the morning. I also have to drain the oil anyway cause I got a new oil filter.

Shawn not to worry... I get plenty of exercise all day curling 16 ounce cans! :lol: