Flood Problem??

[YTM200BOY]

Hello again Joe here i got a ytm200ek and it floods i think it has good compression and gets spark but the gas situation maybe the problem.. I took my spark plug off todaY AND it was covered in gas or oil not sure but it was dirty and wet! whats my problem?? thanks aLSO MY trike use 2 start but since it got cold it doesnt start is there something i can do??? :mad:

[Yamahauler]

How many threads do you have to make about this?

Buy a manual, read it through 4 or 5 times.
If that doesnt work, take it to a MECHANIC!

It is hard to figure out your problem without the bike being right in front of us!

[Tri-ZNate]

turn your gas off. Pull the rope 7 or 8 times. Turn the gas on. Put it on choke and pull. If it doesnt start by the 6th pull turn the choke off and pull again. Repeat if that doesnt work. Last resort is to have someone pull you. Make sure your idle is set to OEm specs by the way.

[holmstrom]

push it out front and put a 4 sale sign on it.

[YTM200BOY]

i think the 4 sale sign is a good option at this point how much do you think i can get?

[TeamGeek6]

Ill go $50

Covered in gas usually means carb is flooding.

[YTM200BOY]

LOL IM NOT SELLING IT! but i want this pup to fire off already! it worked when the weather was warm is it possible it wont start in cold weather??

[holmstrom]

It ran right before you messed with the carb correct? Take the carb back apart ,clean it and put it back together right this time. Then go from there.

[Tri-ZNate]

Yo YTM if it turns out that the Carb is F~~~ed up we are gonna come after you. Got it :mad:

[Yamahauler]

Here is a thread with 4 pages of things to check:
http://www.3wheelerworldforums.com/showthread.php?t=43932

Here is a thread with 3 pages of things to check:
http://www.3wheelerworldforums.com/showthread.php?t=43841

Here is a thread about finding your crank key:
http://www.3wheelerworldforums.com/showthread.php?t=43900

Do you need more replies?????????????

Buy a manual, follow it veeeeeeeery closely, take your carb apart, soak all of the parts in carb cleaner, put it back together following the instructions.

[traxxasx]

LOL IT WOULD ONLY MAKE SENSE SINCE IT WAS RUNNING THEN YOU TOOK THE "CARB" APART AND CHANGED THE FLOAT!!!!!!!!!!THATS ITS YOUR CARB, JUST GO OUTSIDE TAKE ** CARB OFF TAKE IT APART, TAKE BOTH JETS OUT, TAKE THE FLOAT AND NEEDEL OFF, GO LOOK AT THIS http://www.files.3wheelerworld.com/Manuals/YTM200EK_EL.PDF AT THE CARB PART, CLEAN YOUR JETS PUT IT BACK TOGHTHER. NOW PUT IT BACK ON YOUR TRIKE, BEFORE YOU HOOK UP THE GAS LINE, HOOK ONE END OF IT TO THE CARB AND TAKE THE OTHER END THAT GOES TO THE GAS TANK AND BLOW IN IT AND SEE IF * CAN BLOW AIR INTO THE CARB, IF SO THEN * KNO GAS IS GOING INTO THE CARB, IF IT FLOODS OUT ADJUST YOUR FLOAT SEAT TO WHERE IT STOPS THE GAS, ITS NOT THAT HARD TO DO THIS, JUST "TRY" THATS HOW * LEARN.

[YTM200BOY]

lol ok guys dont get mad with me please my carb is as clean as a mr cleans shiny head and i just bought a new float vavle and seat for it so?????? Awsner this how can your timing get thrown off??

[85hondaatc125m]

here you go, I might have the answer for you, if you have a gas filter screen take off your carb right now and see if the gas is frozen in the gas filter screen, that is what happened to me, it wouldnt start because loss of gas because the gas wouldnt go through. If this is the problem just put in a little gas line antifreeze in the tank.
just my 2 cents
_125m_

[Tri-ZNate]

his plug is wet so gas is getting in. I still say you F~~~ed up your carb.

[thefox]

ok, first off I agree with Yamahauler and you should buy a manual, it really is the best aftermarket part you can get for your trike.

Next yes it is your carb. You even said it was flooding and that means its your carb. The timing on these things is fixed so unless the cam chain is off a tooth you are fine, I have worked on a lot of Yamaha's and have yet to have the timing get screwed up any other way.

Here is an easy test for your carb. turn the gas off (your switch works, right?) or take the carb off. Now pull the spark plug out and pull over the engine a bunch of times to clear out the gas. Leave it sitting a couple of minutes will help too. Now put a little gas in the cylinder through the plug hole, about an eye dropper full should be plenty. If you don't have an eyedropper then you can use a straw (maybe 1/3 full). Instead of gas you can use a shot of starter fluid, if it wont start on starter fluid it's not going to start. Anyways put the plug in and try to start it. If it fires then it was your carb, if it doesn't then it probably is still your carb. and you used too much or not enough gas.

Into the carb we go. When you put it back together did you adjust the float? Did you make sure the 2 sides of the float were even? Have you checked the fuel level with the carb. on the trike? What about the jets, are they stock sizes?

[honda200]

Starting fluid isnt that great for just throwin a little shot down the cylinder, it burns way to hot and really uncontrollable, it will put alot of wear on your piston faster then anything else. I have personally seen holes burned through pistons because of this.

YTMBOY, if you cant get it to start, take it to a licensed mechanic who knows this stuff, heck, if your in ontario bring it down to my shop, i wont charge you full shop fee!

Curtis

[thefox]

Starting fluid isnt that great for just throwin a little shot down the cylinder, it burns way to hot and really uncontrollable, it will put alot of wear on your piston faster then anything else. I have personally seen holes burned through pistons because of this.

Curtis

I would agree, it is too easy to use too much but in this case I say use whatever has the best chance of working so we can stop having posts put up everyday asking for help fixing the same problem we have been saying how to fix.

[YTM200BOY]

i have a repair manuel somewhere also i think i w\know the problem now i think its the timing thingy my dads buddy is coming over in the summer to check it out...... but for god sakes its the damn winter right know!!! but atleast its free lol

[Yamahauler]

Like someone else said, the timing is fixed on these things, I couldnt see a way it could jump timing, Why would you wait til the summer to fix it? Just take it to a shop, have someone put the carb together right, it would probaly take less than an hour to get running.
Phone around to find a shop, I found a guy that works for $20 an hour.

[YTM200BOY]

its not the carb i fixed that yesturday the float was stuck its still the timin....

[thefox]

Glad you got it figured out.

[YTM200BOY]

well i think so i will be so so so so so happy to here my bike fire off soon but i think he wont come over until its warmer :{ -JOE

PS: i got compression its getting gas and the spark is there "strong blue" so its very possible its the timing right?

[YTM200BOY]

:P soon soon i found out how to take off rubber plug but when i pull start it oil rises up ???

[Yamahauler]

I think if it was the timing that was off, your woodruff key would be sheared. This is because to change timing on YTM's, you have to unbolt the cam sproket, take it off, turn the sproket, and mesh it in to a differant part of the chain, and bolt it on again.
Unless you timing chain is reeeeeeally loose and it jumped a tooth, but you would notice a great deal of engine noise if that happened.

At least, that's what I would think...

[Yamahauler]

:P soon soon i found out how to take off rubber plug but when i pull start it oil rises up ???
what are you talking about?

[Unclediezel]

Ok- One more time------

Yamahauler----There is also a woodruff key on the rotor--For the ignition--
The one your thinking of is on the cam, and yes it would make a Hell of a noise if that broke-and he would also lose compression---The one on the CRANKSHAFT is the common one and it disrupts IGNITION timing, because the CDI rotor slips on the CRANKSHAFT-and misaligns The magnets and pulse coil.

YTM200---On the left side of your case---there is a big FLAT HEAD SCREW--unscrew it----and look inside the hole---Slowly rotate the motor until a stamped "T" is visible in the hole. Take your spark plug out . Get a metal coat hanger--8- 10 inches long and put it in the spark plug hole -and "FEEL" the piston- as you rotate the engine the piston will move. when the piston comes all the way to the top of its travel ---stop---Look back in the screw hole ---That "T" had better be there----If it isnt----Your Crankshaft key is BUSTED>

[Yamahauler]

Yamahauler----There is also a woodruff key on the rotor--For the ignition--
The one your thinking of is on the cam, and yes it would make a Hell of a noise if that broke-and he would also lose compression---The one on the CRANKSHAFT is the common one and it disrupts IGNITION timing, because the CDI rotor slips on the CRANKSHAFT-and misaligns The magnets and pulse coil.

Yea, I know what you are talking about, the woodruff key on the crankshaft.
I thought he checked to see if that was busted already??

I was saying that the only way timing could be screwed is if that key on the crankshaft sheared. I cant think of any other way it could jump timing, because the timing chain wont skip a tooth on the cam sproket.

But yea, i was almost sure you had already checked it YTMBOY, or at least you should of with the 10 pages of threads of people telling you to.:lol:

[Unclediezel]

Somehow--Thats the rubber plug he's pulling out:confused: :wondering

[Yamahauler]

What is this rubber plug we are talking about??
Im getting confused????

[Unclediezel]

The timing hole cover---

[honda200]

TAKE THE DAMN BIKE TO A DAMN MOTORCYCLE SHOP, I AM SICK OF SEEING 4 THREADS IN 2 DAYS ABOUT THE SAME DAMN PROBLEM!!

sorry, had to let it out.

Seriously, its not that hard to load up a little ytm 200 and drive to a motorcycle shop.

Curtis

[monster 84r]

dude its not the timing. take it in. plain and simple.

[YTM200BOY]

how do you know its not the timing!

[YTM200BOY]

and the load it up and take it to a shop idea is not happening i dont have a truck i have a 72 mustang gt with no trail hitch or anything and the local shop is a asshole

[holmstrom]

check the woodruff key and get back to us. Then we'll tell you if its the timing or not.

[Yamahauler]

Well, the recoil hub isnt bolted onto the flywheel, it goes on splines which are right on the crankshaft, so it makes it very hard to go out of time, the flywheel is on the crankshaft, and is totaly independant. So I figure the only way to shear the crank key is if that bolt comes loose that holds the recoil hub on, and then the flywheel wiggles off a little and then shears the key.
But what I can't understand is why you dont take the plug out of the timing window (takes about 3 turns of a slotted screwdriver, VERY VERY VERY simple)
Line it up to the T mark on the flywheel in the tioming window, again very simple, as long as your eyes work, you should have no trouble.
take the plug out
bend a coathanger straight
put it in the sparkplug hole until you touch the top of the piston
slowly turn the motor over with the recoil
when you find the spot where the piston is at the highest point, look at the rotor to see if the T mark is back
if not, try a few more times
if it never is there
your motor is probaly out of time

phone a friend with a truck
Lift the front wheel of your bike up,
get your friend to help you pick the rear end up
lift it into the back of the truck
strap it down
drive to the local shop
remove trike from back of truck
tell the guy it's the timings off and tell him to fix it

If that doesnt work, you can always push it

[holmstrom]

hook a tow strap to the back of that mustang grab a friend throw him on the trike and tell him to hold on tight. nope better idea, sell it to the guy that offered you $300, take that and buy one that runs.

[YTM200BOY]

lol guys im dad's buddys comin over and will fix it he loves this stuff and told me to tell all of your riders.. keep up the great riding and remeber the good times...

So yeah 1 day this bad boy will fire again its like in the movie the perfect storm, "the andrea gala will set sail once again...." lol love that movie-JOE

[Tri-ZNate]

let us know what ends up being the problem. You better pray to god it isnt that little carb :D

[Yamahauler]

Just curious, did you actually try doing any of the things we told you to check? Or were we just talking to a wall?

[honda200]

i think were talkin to a 13 year old wall

Curtis

[DeePa]

i hope he sells it so i dont have to read any of his posts anymore...:beer :beer :beer

[85hondaatc125m]

K do we have to get a frican chant going here, Ill give it to YOU in easy follow through directions.
TRIKE, LOAD IN TRUCK, BRING TO ATV/BIKE SHOP, SAY 'FIX PLEASE'...DONE

[YTM200BOY]

omg guys i already found the damn problem dont be an ass

[YTM200BOY]

its not the carb lol i made sure of that and yes i did try some stuff.. To check the woodruff key i need to take the screws off that are around the pull starter right??

if so 2 of mine are stripped and i can tell that they have never been taken off before lol and also im almost 16 hahaha thanks so far guys

[Unclediezel]

The coat hanger in the cylinder is much easier and safer--If you dont HAVE to mess with STRIPPED screws--DONT--

[Unclediezel]

Its behind the recoil - then the starter cage --then the stator--

[YTM200BOY]

ok ill take your word thank you the coat hanger goes in the spark plug hole right?? I took the rubber plug on the engine off last night... but cant see in very good i had a flash light and everything its the way the engine sits its on a angle and the frame is in the line of view... so>?

[Unclediezel]

I was wrong---the timing plug is a big flathead screw on the left side of the case---

[YTM200BOY]

omg so i took off the wrong plug?? there is a big black sloteed screwdriver screw but it wont budge is that the 1 i need to take off instead of the rubber plug i took off?? the rubber plug if you pull it oil rises!!! so its the slotted screwdriver screw?

[Unclediezel]

The rubber plug sounds like the Oil Filler----

Yes -Take out the slotted screw---A lil penetrating oil and a small hammer--tap on it and then turn it out

[Unclediezel]

http://www.files.3wheelerworld.com/Manuals/YTM200EK_EL.PDF

Go to CRANKCASE COVER------and look at part #8

[YTM200BOY]

good idea wd-40 is god and yes i will free that damn screw today when i get home from school which i am currently in right now thanks alot diezel.

[Yamahauler]

I think you must have been talking about the oil dipstick.
The end is plastic, not rubber, how does the oil go up when you take that out?
It is a slotted plug on the left side of the engine.
When you get it out, look directly down in it. rotate the motor and look for the "T" mark. Actually, I dont think it has a T mark, it just has a slash, and there is another mark with an F on it.

Line it up with the slash, the piston should be at the top of it's stroke.

I know you say it isnt the carb, but I'm still betting it is.

[YTM200BOY]

no my carb is excellent its great it will work like a charm once it starts :p

[Yamahauler]

how do you know it works like a charm once its been started? I thought you havent had it started since you put the new float or needle or whatever it was in. :rolleyes:

[YTM200BOY]

yes but i am pretty sure if i fix whatever the hell is screwing it and ME up the carb will be fine because all i did was change out the float valve the one before it would work but would leak gas after a good minute or 2 and a backfire later on in the week blew the tip completely off!! so i needed a new float valve so i bought 1 of corse and then i put it on and it doesnt work now?? i pulled the pull start many many times and i think i might have heard a noise and since then if hasnt ran its been a garage item collecting dust and this burns my ass!! I cant wait into i get to be a year or 2 older then im going to save up after i get a car and buy me a new honda 400 or 450 trx.. honda in my eyes equals quality and reliability.. My grandpa has a 85 trx125 thats been threw hell and back about 5 times and it still has electric start orignal battery oringal everything except new bearings and this thing was the most rode hard atv on this face of Earth its been rolled at top speed every year and this thing is unstoppable.. the only thing this thing need is 2 new front tires both front tires have plugs lol thats me story about the greatest makers in atv / 3 wheeler history HONDA BABY!! Joe

[honda200]

i thought you had a mustang?

Curtis

[DeePa]

inowhaveaheadachefromreadingyourposts...