Holey Smokes!!!

[chris200x]

It's a good thing I haven't rode this that much after our last group ride out at Paragon. I probably have less than a half hour ride time since I sunk it. :wondering Good thing it happened at the end of the day.

Anyway.. What steps do I need to do to make sure I got all the water out. Just let it sit there and drain out real good.?

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/chrisr200x/headlightguard017.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/chrisr200x/headlightguard018.jpg

I just figured I throw this pic in as well. :lol: but this is obviously when it happened.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/chrisr200x/paragonpictures11-11-06074.jpg

[TrikeKid]

Change the oil a good 3 or 4 times, that should flush everything out. My truck did the same thing when the head gasket blew, we just ran some old oil we had sitting around from my dad's truck through it to get the water out. Basically, just keep changing oil till the milk shake is gone. I'd also go ahead and clean out the float bowl, air box and air filter if you haven't already.

[bigredhead]

Just pour a little JB weld in there.. make it all better lol...

[burnoutboy]

Hey Chris,

The best thing to do would be flush the engine out with diesel. That will get all of the water and crap out, just flush it a few times. Way easier and cheaper than doing lots of oil changes.

[chris200x]

Just pour a little JB weld in there.. make it all better lol...

:naughty: You'll never let that one go will ya? :lol: :w00t:

Well, I'm on my 3rd cycle and it's still coming out grey. I'm using pretty light oil (rotella 5w 30) Cheap wally world stuff. Is heaver weight better for this?

Sould I be running it a bit to get oil up into the top of the motor?

Oh.. The gear oil in the rearend is a nightmare as well. :rolleyes:

[bigredhead]

oil does not " absorb " water very well.. it just mixed partly and turns to mud..

Diesel will actually carry water better and make for a quicker job of flushing things out..

And as long as i'm on this forum.. i will never let that go.. just too good.. lol..

[firefirefire90]

I wouldn't run it because then it would bring all of the dirty water oil up to the head as well. Pour some oil in from the head as well. Once you think everything is coming out as a goooooooooooood color, ride it pretty easily, then drain it again. Do it for a week or so and you motor should be pretty clean. How did you get all that gunk in there? Mud come through the snorkel or something?

[TrikeKid]

We used delo 400 in my truck, pretty thick stuff (drained from my dad's KW when he did the oil change that weekend). I don't see how running it now would hurt it anymore than it already has, if the oil in the bottom looks like that, the rest of it will too.

[84honda200s]

when i dumped mine into a pond i changed the oil about (10w-30) 5-6 times. i ran it for 10-15 min. before changing the oil.

[chris200x]

LOL... That pic I posted as actually the shallow end on the puddle. :lol: I guess it came in through the snokel as there was mud in my airbox.. but I guess it came in through the exhaust as well.

I hope I didn't ruin anything in the motor. My electric starter is acting funny as well. It just spins... :wondering

[slothminx]

I enjoy your water crossing pics, dont stop!

As said, flush it out a few times, that didnt come in your intake or exhaust, that came in the crankcase breather tube, same with the rear end. you need to change out the breather hoses with long ones that run all the way to the bars. Ive done this on my Z for if I ever need to sink it to the bars :D

[max]

Are fryed. Im not sure if its centrifical or what. But its going to need replaced. The water soaks in to the clutch fiber and peals it right off. You might get by for a while but its only a matter of time before the clutch completely peals off. Unfortunaley no amount of flushing will help. Also water in bearings, mmmmmmmm. I would be taking this thing apart going through it. May get costlier if you decide to keep running it like this. Good luck bud!

[TravEX]

Chris, if I ever sink mine again, I'm gonna try the diesel route. I changed my engine oil and rearend oil 6 times before they cleared up. That's about 15 qts of oil and a quart of gear oil. Probably a gallon or 2 of diesel would do the trick. Remember to take the trike pretty much apart and tip the trike around alot to get the water out, cause water will get in places you forget about, frame tube, fork boots, etc. I hope I don't sink one again, but it happens! RIDE RED!!!

Travis

[chris200x]

I hope I don't sink one again, but it happens! RIDE RED!!!
:w00t:

The funny thing is that after FarmerC pulled me out I tiped it up on the grab bar to let it drain. It fired right back up!

So what do I do then just dump the fuel in where the dipstick is? I'm gonna run and grab a few gallons and give it a shot. I just wanna make sure I know what I'm doing first.

Max... The good news is there is all new bearings in the trike.. well except for the front wheel. This is the 3rd time I've sunk it but never had oil this color before. I hope I don't have to tear apart the motor. :wondering

[bigredhead]

Yeah.. if you have to tear it up.. you'll need the big JUG of JB

[Yamahauler]

I did that one time...

Diesel is the way to go. flush it until it comes out just a little gray. fill up with some wal mart oil..run until it reaches temp, oil change, repeat until it comes out nice and clean...when you run the motor for 5 minutes, the water evaporates.

Mine comes out perfectly clear now.

I ran mine for about 1/2 hour with water in my crank case (about a 1/2 litre of swamp water). I had no idea there was water in there, I was floating but it wasnt that deep. The drain in the airbox was cut so it all rushed in there.

ANyway, mine came to a screeching hault...i think it was the crank bearings, but I drained and flushed and everything, got it running and it doesnt make any noise from the bottom end..

How long do you think until I throw my rod?? I have about 3 hours on it since

[burnoutboy]

Are fryed. Im not sure if its centrifical or what. But its going to need replaced. The water soaks in to the clutch fiber and peals it right off. You might get by for a while but its only a matter of time before the clutch completely peals off. Unfortunaley no amount of flushing will help. Also water in bearings, mmmmmmmm. I would be taking this thing apart going through it. May get costlier if you decide to keep running it like this. Good luck bud!

Have to disagree with you there mate. As long as the water hasn't been in there for a extended period of time, his clutches should still be good. I sank my old beater 200e countless times. I just flushed it out with diesel a few times and cleaned everything up and it was good to go. Never had a problem with clutches.

I don't know if the water did anything to my bearings as I never had any gearbox/ bottom end noise, but I eventually spun a crank bearing.

You may want to think about setting up a better crankcase breather system Chris. Keep those pics comming.

[edog]

Take the motor apart and clean it.Save yourself the headace down the road.

[3wheelencowboy]

alright now i'm new here whats with the jb weld?? and here i thought i had sunk mine before you set a new step of mud for me to try and go through

[Unclediezel]

The Diesel Fuel is "OIL" based, so it wont hurt anything. You run it for a "Few " minutes, as the temp rises , the water boils away. keep it at Idle,--Revving it to death will hurt it. Just allow it to heat up at its own pace. Repeat two or three times, and youll be good to go. I do agree with clutch plates soaking up the water and shredding off, But I would cross that bridge when you get there.

[4cylinders]

hey, WARNING, running the engine with diesel in it can cause big problems, because it is not designed to be a lube. better to run the old oil 'til it's warm, drain it over night, use a heater to keep it warm. anything left will evaporate

[Unclediezel]

hey, WARNING, running the engine with diesel in it can cause big problems, because it is not designed to be a lube. better to run the old oil 'til it's warm, drain it over night, use a heater to keep it warm. anything left will evaporate

I should have rephrased that.... Diesel -Mixed with the old oil. Absolutely true, by itself the diesel will do more harm than good.

[trikes4life]

Have to disagree with you there mate. As long as the water hasn't been in there for a extended period of time, his clutches should still be good. I sank my old beater 200e countless times. I just flushed it out with diesel a few times and cleaned everything up and it was good to go. Never had a problem with clutches.

I don't know if the water did anything to my bearings as I never had any gearbox/ bottom end noise, but I eventually spun a crank bearing.

You may want to think about setting up a better crankcase breather system Chris. Keep those pics comming.


hes right, topoortoride4 sunck his 200m in my pond a year ago to date. we flushed it untill there was no water. it still shifts fine still,he put about 400 abusive miles on it this year. Karosine is what i use, fill it upand run it for about 30 seconds, drain it, tip the wheeler, every witch way untill its all out. Any left in there will burn away.

[chris200x]

Ok.. so I fill the motor with a little oil and the rest diesel then run it. I got a few gallons and 10 more quarts of oil. So I'll be at it first thing in the morning. What about the differential... can I flush that with diesel as well.

The thing that worries me the most though is this happened two weeks ago. It was at the end of the day so I figured what the heck... I drove it after it sunk back to the truck and it's been sitting ever since. I'm pretty anal about always changing oil and all the other general maintenance stuff after every ride. But I just didn't get a chance to do it after this. I hope it don't cause more headaches and money down the road but it sure is fun now! :naughty: :lol:

[chris200x]

alright now i'm new here whats with the jb weld?? and here i thought i had sunk mine before you set a new step of mud for me to try and go through

That's just bigredhead bustin my stones about this..

http://www.3wheelerworldforums.com/showthread.php?t=39134&page=4&highlight=rejetting+plug+chops

If you have about 6 days to kill read through that thread and you'll know what it's all about. :lol: :lol: :lol: :rolleyes:

[Yamahauler]

I never ran mine with diesel in the crank case. I just used it to flush it out. I put the diesel in, pulled it over abunch of times, NEVER started it with diesel in the crankcase, just pure oil.

[TravEX]

Yeah, I would cycle it over a few times with the starter with the spark plug out, so it will spin over faster.

[chris200x]

I got everything all cleaned up and running properly. It's actually running better now than it did before (also had to pull the carb and clean that out)

Now, will some one please point me in the direction of the nearest mudhole! :w00t: :Bounce :Bounce :Bounce

[chris200x]

John, I've flushed the differential out several times as well. When I first drained it it was coming out grey like the motor oil. Its flowing clear now just like new gear oil should. I've been religisouly changing that after almost every ride. I know how expensive those differentials can get.

I'm good to go now.. I just hope those clutch plates hold up for a while... although they shouldn't be too hard to change if iit ever comes to that.

Oh Slot.. there are some pretty good water crossing pics in the links in my sig. :beer

[Rennat_2006]

Oh been there done that!:lol:

On my 110 though numerous times. There is a little path that connect to a island were i ride alot and when the river is low you can cross it but it gets about 3 feet deep for about a foot while the rest is only about a foot. Well i went through the deep thing quite a few times then ventured off the side of the little path to far and fell into a big drop off! It went from like 1 foot deep to me not being able to touch the bottom....lol. The 110 flipped over upside down and floated towards another friend that was standing on the path laughin his *$$ off because i was swimmin. I wish i could have got that on video!

Anyways after that little boating expirence i drained the oil, poured kerosene through the fill plug and let it run outta the drain plug then put the plug back in and refilled with new oil/kerosene mixture. Road it around the backyard for a couple minutes and redrained it and filled it with the usual oil. Been fine ever since not knocking or anything and i have had to do this a couple times now.

It is time for a top end rebuild though, she has always been a smoker but me(220 lbs) climbing out of ditches and stuff in low has been hard on her and it is about time i start running premix.:w00t:

[jason85atc250r]

glad to see you got it working.

now that you got it working rite when are we going riding up there again so i can see you swamp it in that hole at Paragon?

[chris200x]

glad to see you got it working.

now that you got it working rite when are we going riding up there again so i can see you swamp it in that hole at Paragon?

Hey Jay... I'm ready to go now!!! :w00t:

How bout next weekend.

[Rennat_2006]

I've found mine will go just about anywhere as long as i keep the front tire floating and the headtube area out of the water. I've went off of the back and the sides doing this before though.

[jason85atc250r]

Hey Jay... I'm ready to go now!!! :w00t:

How bout next weekend.


if we make it on a Sunday then my buddy can come along with his 86 350x maybe my brother Swigin if we go to the secret spot.

[chris200x]

if we make it on a Sunday then my buddy can come along with his 86 350x maybe my brother Swigin if we go to the secret spot.

Jason, that sounds like plan. I'm dyin to hit the pits lately. (plus it's free) give me a call later in the week. (after 4pm) Maybe will hit there then head over to Beaver Meadows in the afternoon. :beer

[jason85atc250r]

Jason, that sounds like plan. I'm dyin to hit the pits lately. (plus it's free) give me a call later in the week. (after 4pm) Maybe will hit there then head over to Beaver Meadows in the afternoon. :beer

i'll talk to all them and see what they say.

[Yamahauler]

Do you think it would be possible to snorkel everything, intake and exhaust, and have the trike completly submerged except the snorkels?? I have an old yam 125 i wanna make into a yellow submarine

[XTrumpX]

What I've done when dunkin' my rides, I used Gumout engine flush. During the first oil fill, put about 1/4 of the can in. On the 2nd, use half a can. That will help get rid of the "mud".

[slothminx]

Do you think it would be possible to snorkel everything, intake and exhaust, and have the trike completly submerged except the snorkels?? I have an old yam 125 i wanna make into a yellow submarine


I remember an old Yamaha ad with a hauler completely underwater doing just that, running with the snorkels to the surface.

Ive tried looking for it, but never found it again.

[chris200x]

Heck yeah! I'm not to sure about the yamis.. but what would have to be done with the frame vents (under the gastank) on the honda's?

I was out looking at my trike and noticed that I already had the vent tube for the differential running along the top of the frame out to the handlebars. I also sealed up everything good on the rearend with black silicone last time had had the whole thing apart. Seems I still got a bunch of water in there though.. :wondering
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/chrisr200x/headlightguard021.jpg

[Yamahauler]

Instead of looking the airbox up to the fram rail, run a PVC pipe from there. Might have to relocate the airbox though...Im going to try this next summer

[Yamahauler]

I remember an old Yamaha ad with a hauler completely underwater doing just that, running with the snorkels to the surface.

Ive tried looking for it, but never found it again.

I remember that. I think it was on that ATC brochure website. Not sure though. Im not sure if its real though.

[ATCnut]

The best way I know to clean out the motor is transmission fluid. It absorbs water. Drain the oil, put in 1 quart of transmission fluid and then fill to full with clean oil. Start the motor and let it idle until it is good and warm. Drain the oil/tranny fliud mix out, and all the water will come with it. Put in fresh oil, a new filter, and you will be good to go.

I know this works, I dumped my 350X upside down in a freshwater lake last summer, it floated upside down for 30 min or so.

Towed it back to camp, drained the ugly spooge out of the crankcase, did the tranny fluid thing, filled with fresh oil, and it was good to go. I was back on the sand in about 2 hours

[burnoutboy]

I remember an old Yamaha ad with a hauler completely underwater doing just that, running with the snorkels to the surface.

Ive tried looking for it, but never found it again.


http://www.3wheelerworld.com/pppics/sYamtriz029xuwYam.jpg

[chris200x]

The best way I know to clean out the motor is transmission fluid. It absorbs water. Drain the oil, put in 1 quart of transmission fluid and then fill to full with clean oil. Start the motor and let it idle until it is good and warm. Drain the oil/tranny fliud mix out, and all the water will come with it. Put in fresh oil, a new filter, and you will be good to go.

I know this works, I dumped my 350X upside down in a freshwater lake last summer, it floated upside down for 30 min or so.

Towed it back to camp, drained the ugly spooge out of the crankcase, did the tranny fluid thing, filled with fresh oil, and it was good to go. I was back on the sand in about 2 hours

:rolleyes: :D aah yes... two of my favorite pics. (got them off .org) I was just wondering if you have had any engine problems since then?

[Rennat_2006]

What kind of ATC was that in the yamaha ad? Yamaha duh but what model?

[Yamahauler]

225dr...Looks like an 86 I think.

[TravEX]

Chris, any update?

[chris200x]

Chris, any update?

Well, not sure what you mean but I believe I got it all taken care of. I did two cycles with the diesel then did two more oil changes after that. I believe that brought the total to about 6 or so oil changes. I've lost count actually. :lol: Also changed out the gear oil several more times.

Tomorrow will be the first time I have the bike out for a good day's ride. since my little mishap, I've only had my son riding it around the property to get it upto temp before the oil changes.

Let's hope everything holds together for tomorrow... I guess time will tell. but I think I should be OK. These old honda 4 strokes are pretty hard to kill. :naughty: